Patch 3.3: Arcturis the Spirit Bear, Diseased Wolves in Elwynn and More
Patch 3.3 is going live today. The big news for most players is probably Icecrown Citadel, which seems to have something to do with the Lich King. But there’s lots more of interest, from the long-awaited built-in quest mapper to a new fishing tournament.
Most exciting for high level Beast Mastery hunters is the new Spirit Beast Arcturis, who happens to look like a ghostly druid bear but is, in every way, a proper Spirit Beast. (That’s him to the right.)
We are also seeing what is perhaps the first impact of the upcoming Cataclysm on the creatures of Azeroth as diseased wolves invade Elwynn Forest and the Thistle Boars of Teldrassil shed their pretty orange fur for a new grey look.
You can find the full patch notes on the official WoW site (when it gets updated) but here’s the sections for hunters (clipped from the official forum post):
General:
- Many of the tail sweeps with knockback effects will no longer hit players’ pets.
Classes: General:
- Pet Resilience: All player pets now get 100% of their master’s resilience.
Hunters:
- Call Stabled Pet: Cooldown reduced from 30 minutes to 5 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas.
- Deterrence: Now also increases the chance for ranged attacks to miss the hunter by 100% while under its effect.
- Misdirection: Redesigned. Instead of having finite charges, it now begins a 4-second timer when the hunter using Misdirection performs a threat-generating attack, during which all threat generated by the hunter goes to the friendly target. In addition, multiple hunters can now misdirect threat to the same friendly target simultaneously.
Talents: Beast Mastery:
- Intimidation: If the hunter’s pet is in melee range of its target, the stun from Intimidation will now be applied immediately instead of on the pet’s next swing or attack.
Pets:
- Avoidance: This talent has been replaced by Culling the Herd. Hunter pets now innately take 90% less damage from area-of-effect abilities like all other class pets. This does not apply to area-of-effect damage caused by other players.
- Cower: Redesigned. This ability no longer affects threat, and instead reduces damage taken by the pet by 40% for 6 seconds with a 45-second cooldown. While cowering, the pet’s movement speed is 50% of normal speed. Cower now only has a single rank and is available at pet level 20.
- Culling the Herd: This pet talent has replaced the Avoidance talent in the pet trees (Hunter pets now gain that benefit automatically without expenditure of talent points). Culling the Herd increases pet and hunter damage by 1/2/3% for 10 seconds each time the pet deals a critical strike with Claw, Bite, or Smack.
- Demoralizing Screech: The attack power reduction from this ability has been increased by 40%, equaling the maximum possible attack power reduction from the abilities of other classes.
- Improved Cower: Redesigned. This ability now reduces the movement penalty of Cower by 50%/100%.
- Pet Leveling: Hunter pets now need only 5% of the experience a player needs to level, down from 10%.
- Venom Web Spray: Range increased from 20 yards to 30 yards.
- Web: Range increased from 20 yards to 30 yards.
- Wolverine Bite: This talent is now enabled when the pet lands a critical strike rather than from the target dodging the pet’s attacks. In addition, this talent no longer has a prerequisite.
User Interface:
- Confirmation box added when buying stable slots.
Bug Fixes:
- Concussive Barrage: This ability is no longer subject to spell reflects.
- Explosive Trap: The damage from this trap will now scale properly with the hunter’s attack power.
- Glyph of Immolation Trap: Now properly increases damage by 100%. In addition, this glyph will now modify the tooltip of Immolation Trap correctly.
- Glyph of Mending: This glyph will now modify the amount healed in the tooltip on Mend Pet.
- Point of No Escape: It is no longer possible to gain benefit from this talent multiple times by having a target affected by multiple of the same hunter’s traps. In addition, Freezing Arrow will no longer incorrectly provide a critical strike bonus to players beyond the hunter with this talent.
- Roar of Sacrifice: Corrected tooltip error.
- Silencing Shot: Updated tooltip to include the functionality that this ability also interrupts spellcasting on NPCs.
- Volley: The tooltip for this ability will now update properly from haste.
Enough changes for you? *grin*
I’ll be updating Petopia sometime today, if I can. I haven’t had much time lately but things have slowed down a bit, so I hope to get caught up.
Table of Contents for Series: Patch 3.3
- PTR 3.3 Notes Posted
- PTR 3.3 – Unnoted Hunter Changes
- Ghostcrawler on Pet Avoidance
- PTR 3.3: Culling the Herd, Cower Revised
- PTR 3.3: Faster Pet Leveling
- PTR 3.3: Spectral Bear?
- PTR 3.3: Northshire Wolves Getting Sick
- PTR 3.3: Arcturis the New Spirit Beast
- Patch 3.3: Arcturis the Spirit Bear, Diseased Wolves in Elwynn and More
262 Comments
Good to hear things are slowing down, Mania! I may actually reactivate my account for this one, just to see the changes.
Awesome, gonna go hunting for him as soon as Servers come back up . =)
The Main changes i like in this new patch is the fact that I dont Pull off Tanks anymore, i can just sit and spam MD all day untill my aggros dead, and the fact that i can use my unused conquest badges and buy boa gear for my hunter on a different server.. still wishing for the send gold 2 alt on other servers.. since i dont have 80s on only 1 server lol, and finally i gotten my spirit beast.. had to be the cat from zul drak.. i so wanted this bear tho. Also, i had ideas on hunters pvping since pets are going to be 1 shotted, use great resistence talient instead of the new avoidence and or place points in cower and have it on when attacking players in place.
Well with the Wolverine bite change, is it possible they might be trying to fix Cunning?
Goraan, I think you misunderstand the misdirect change. It still has a cooldown, they just changed the fact that you only got 3 damaging attacks. Now you get 4s of unload (thus a random serpent sting tick won’t mess up your aggro tossing, it’s an overall buff, but not to the degree of “my tank can go afk with 3 hunters mding him all night.”)
actually it makes md useful to sv hunters and others
i have noticed once i get past the the first 20s or so of a boss fight the tank has it is just getting to that point.
be nice to not have to fd and md 2 at the start of ever boss fight.
FINALLY, some new pet-related news. Anyways I’m really loving how white Arcturis is in that picture. And dang it, they didn’t increase Stable slots.
Yea no new stable slots means you either have to bid farewell to one of you old friends, or make a new hunter and speed level him/her. Personally I think the bear looks cool and all but I would have liked some other new pets and more stable slots.
Cant wait to try out the new quest helper in game though. That looks cool.
I for one will be happy not to have to fight with the other hunters in my raid to get MDs off. :)
I specifically leveled my baby hunter in time to tame Arcturis…if only he’ll be there when I first log in. :D Will be the first spirit beast I’ve actually camped for (and will likely be the second one I ever see in the wild, as I’ve never actually come across Gondria or Skoll untamed). I neeeeed my moonfiring dps bear! :D
The deterrence change will be interesting for PvP; now other hunters won’t be able to unload on us while we’re mostly helpless. :)
Very happy to finally see the cower change in. That should be an excellent all around change.
And now, the waiting game while the servers remain down several more hours than “expected…”
“The big news for most players is probably Icecrown Citadel, which seems to have something to do with the Lich King”
Thanks for a laugh :D
Well, we all know what’s REALLY important, neh?
Speaking of raids, though, with so many changes to pet talents (specifically making a lot of them more useful in my mind), this may well prompt me to return to my beloved Beast Mastery. I was already pretty competitive, but the chance to be back in the running is something I’m jazzed for.
For those with dual spec… having Call Stabled Pet on a 5m cooldown means you can flip between Marks(or Surv if you swing that way) and BM, and be able to have your exotic always on hand instead of being stranded! Definitely a bonus.
Actually, Nacht, the call stabled pet cooldown resets when you swap specs anyway. :) The nicest part of the change is being able to stick with your current spec and be able to swap pets more often! :D
I’m happy that they increased the range of web :) I love my skeletal spider!
I already got my Northshire wolf \(^o^)/ named him Infectious.
We still only have one spawn for Arcturis, correct? I’ve had GH to myself for the hour my server has been up and no sign of him :/ Expecting him to have about five spots, and the rivers and lakes seem like likely candidates (ghost bear can haz fish?!!) but flying around hasn’t turned anything up.
Camped Gondria for three eye-gouging days and Skoll for two; I’ve already abandoned a pet to make room but not really sure I want to repeat the whole experience Probably just going to park myself and tab out. :P
Pet Leveling: Hunter pets now need only 5% of the experience a player needs to level, down from 10%.
So, we’ve gone from having to grind to lv, to pets auto-level to withing 5 lvs of hunter, to this newest bit. Why doesn’t blizz just skip these unneccisary steps and go straight to pets become the dame lv as the hunter upon taming, rather then slowlymeander their way there? It’s going to happen eventually, so why not just do it and be done with…Although, dont get me wrong, I like that they’ve lowered the req exp down again, I just dont see why they are taking thier time slowly getting to the pet auto lv to hunter lv step.
Good luck and happy hunting to those going after Arcturis. I look forward to seeing him ingame.
The pet changes and bug fixes are nice, I am glad cower got changed, I may find a use for it now.
Emblem of Frost: I look forward to seeing what gear/patterns and such these will bring, as well as look forward to the EoT being easier to aquire now.
oh yeah, best change ever is call stable CD reduced to 5min, gives hunters a lot more fleability in raids/boss encounters. Being able to have the right pets for the fights is a big bonus!
Though, just to add the players with authenticators with their account will get a CoreHound Pup in the mail. Sadly I wasn’t aware of this, and I didn’t get it. Hopefully they’ll add it to the Blizzard Store. D:
Johnny:
If it’s like their other pets, you’ll get it if you buy an authenticator even after ‘today’. It’s just those people that already had one that got their core hounds first.
Thank god. I am so done with STD cat. He’s gonna get pitched as soon as I log in.
I think I’ll lurk with my core puppy out. >D
Arcturis npc id# 38453 for those of you with NPC scan add on.
i want that bear..are there any more points of spawn that anyone knows of?
What, what, what? I was doing just fine without an authenticator. Now I have to buy one- and not just buy one, but make sure I buy one for the right region for my game. Because as we all know Blizzard motivates you with shinies to actually go do something. IE the authenticators.
Though, I’m not going to hold my breath for the puppy- and I’m not budging on buying one until it’s proven buying one still rewards you with the puppy.
I am NOT a happy gamer atm.
Anyways.
Makoes: The CD to call pet is somewhat redundant as most end game hunters already have a duel specc. And duel specc switching allows you to have CSP cooled down instantly.
What would have been MORE useful, would have been allowing this to be available for lower level hunters, because as we all know, even having two pets can be a chore [let alone 3-5] and if one pet dinged and you’re wanting to start leveling another pet, you either have to leg it to a stablemaster, or you have to tough it out if in an instance or in a place where you can’t return as quickly to the stablemaster.
The Wolverine Bite information has made me muse a bit. Does this mean Last Stand for tenacity pets is now without one? And Rabid Bite? Will it make Blizzard realize pre requisites for pets are silly and cause them to get rid of them all?
post also killed out IE: moving your accounts to battle.net or whatever, too.
I know guildies with the corehound, so that’s confirmed as far as I’m concerned.
WOOT ! Got him ! 11:15 Server Time on Eldre Thalas US. He actually has Ferocity tree which I did not think he had. I am stoked as you can imagine .
*sigh* Only three of us camping so far on my server and apparently, the first spawn was killed to stop one of the other hunters from taming. :( Not my call, unfortunately. :/ Please don’t do this on your servers. >_<
if anyone hears of location can you please post even if its the location north of camp
god I hate it when a hunter is sore enough to do it. That old sour grapes ploy of if I can’t have it, no one can! Cause yeah you show yourself to be a big man there.
Anyways good luck Kalli on getting the next spawn. And hope there’s less griefing :/
Got him 9:30pm server. the confirmed spot.
Interesting, he spawned around 9:30 on my server as well. Grats on your tame! :)
Thanks, Ryai! It was an accidental kill (pvp server and the alliance hunter was trying to kill the horde hunter, but killed Arc instead), but still. There’s only three of us at the moment and if any of us had gotten him, it would have just been two of us camping. First to the tame, as it were. I was on the wrong hunter (yes, I have a baby horde hunter leveled just to tame this guy), so I wouldn’t've gotten him anyway, but it breaks my heart that the first tame was lost. :( (Plus that I was stuck on a loading screen and didn’t even get to see him.)
Does he spawn at the bottom or top of that slope? (or middle?)
ive been hearing middle
Still sore players, tbh, no problem with attacking after they’ve tamed it. But just to kill them so you can tame instead? Bleh.
Tho lol the irony, I want this on a horde hunter too. Be the first real exotic I’ve wanted for my orc.. since Krush >_>
gief moar green devilsaurs plz.
Where does Arc spawn again? Just so I know so I can stay clear of the area on my DK. explosive diseases ftl :c
Got him confirmed spot 1:37 AM 1st tame on Winterhoof…
….eh… I hate to sound negative, but as much as the new stuff “wows ” me…. when it came to the pets and the changes, I get a mixed feeling. It is true that we got a bit more functionality off on some of the beginner talents within the pet talent tree per pet “class type”…. but I see it still gets clunky on the way down as you miss some of the talents at the bottom of the tree – its doable, but you would have to pick and choose carefully — and of course, sacrifices would have to be made…. with the new cower being a “must have” now for the some ferocity pets, it still leaves much to be desired for the other trees. Yeah, it sounds like I am whining, but I would still wish they add more talent points as well as more stable slots….. and in spite of the new bonuses, pet health count is still an issue….. not really of the good on that part still.
…gotta take the good with the bad I suppose.
Been camping Arcturis on Steamwheedle Cartel (US) since servers came up around 3 pm (CST)
Unfortunately we’ve had several server restarts since then, one (I think) about an hour and a half ago but I couldn’t confirm if it was just me or everyone else. Soooo I’m still out here at 32,56 waiting for my teddy bear to appear right in front of me!~
The hunt continues!
~Siennah
PS: best of luck to all trying to tame him!
Just been to teldrassil to check out the new thistle boar skin and noticed something else thats been changed……..the spiders that used to be hostile are now neutral! Young night elves need never again get arachnophobia beacuse of them :D
@23, Ryai
Are you upset because you have to buy the authenticator for the pup? I’m just curious, because you used ‘have’ in your post….but I’m pretty sure no one is forcing you at gunpoint to buy one. (I can see a couple of Blizzard employees demanding you buy one or they blow you to kingdom come.)
Really though…And, for the Battle.net, I think their reason was to make something easier, as for what I don’t know. The authenticator has an awesome purpose, however. Nearly total account security, assuming no one takes yours? Pretty sweet.
Then again, this is from someone who’s had their friend’s account hacked twice within a month because the malware hid in her camcorder thingy. The systems brought everything up as clean. :p
Lastly…not trying to sound snarky or anything, I’m just honestly curious as to why.
@ Kalli Thanks you and same to you ;)
@ Fearstalker
Arcturis spawns at the bottom of the slope and starts to move up hill. he didnt get very far tho :)
I watched the server list populate and the second my server came up i logged in and was hovering above he spawn site. /who didnt turn up anyone for the first 15min. I sat there the whole time untill 9:30 server time and he popped.
Good luck all, and happy hunting :)
where is atrius?
No I’m not upset about having to buy it- I’m upset that they didn’t say or even hint as to this being the way to obtain the core hound pup, which is easily the top of the list of vanity pets I really wanted. That and the fact it feels like a further incentive to get this item. I might have eventually gotten it but yeah.
So close to christmas time and with how my dad blows money out of his pockets faster than the second boss in the forge of souls spews out souls, and owing money to a friend for getting me wrath in the first time when Blizz wouldn’t lemme upgrade via online.
I’m just sore as I’m out of pocket atm- wether wanting it for security reasons or the pup.
If I had known i’d have been able to set aside some cash :/
I was the one that accidentally killed Arc on my server (dethecus) :( I had been sitting there since server came up (about 5 hours) and this horde hunter jumped down soon as he spawned and tried to tame him away from me. Thought i was in pvp spec where hotkey 5 was aimed, intsead i was in pve spec, where hotkey 5 was multi. My pet attacked and killed Arc before I even realized what was happening. Thing has like no HP. I was very sad. Didnt want to kill the pet, just the horde hunter that thought he could swoop down when I had been there 5 hours.
Oh, and one more thing. I read in the forums that if you tamed a northsire (human starting area) wolf before patch, it does indeed turn diseased with the rest of them. There was a pretty confused 80 hunter when his longtime buddy suddenly took sick.
37 Rowdy: How is new cower a ‘must have’ for Ferocity? Maybe Tenacity? But i doubt i’ll ever use it on my Ferocity pets.
Been checking all the pets that are part of quests (Sporewing, Trachela, etc) and all are still tamable. After the Gezz incident I just wanted to be sure. They were tamable when ptr was up, but who knows how Blizz thinks anymore. So, as far as I can tell,all pets that are part of quests are still tamable.
@ Gimlion: a “must have” it is indeed for ferocity; I doubt you would take a tenacity pet into a raid or a heroic dungeon… maybe for a cunning pet too. Bottom line; with hunter pets and their health at a low end, they would need the extra damage reduction without the penalty from elites that can kill them with one melee blow (i.e. Patchwerk, etc.) never mind that the pets can now ignore npc AOE. Tenacity pets would still benefit from it as a good talent, but more or less when you’re solo-questing and solo-killing those group quest bosses outside of a dungeon.
Oh, I thought you meant the actual ability, not the talent… which neither would be needed if they kept the old cower to reduce threat…
eh… while I lament at the loss of threat reduction, the extra damage reduction would indeed be a boon on hard boss fights…… the penalty of a reduced speed along with damage reduction is not…. loss of speed means drop in dps…. so yeah, I can really see the need for the improved cower talent being really useful… only thing is you have to sacrifice the points for it. Yet even with the new changes, I can still clearly see that all of the pet talent trees still need a major overhaul…. too many good things, not enough talent points…. and even some talents that we don’t need at all.
It is a very small step in the right direction though in terms of pet damage mitigation….. but the overall impact on that is “blah” at best.
… on a side note: aoe damage is increased on the player side of things…. so yeah… the new cower and the improved cower talent can be useful there in terms of pvp….
Would still say it was the horde hunter’s fair tame, since you still had your pet out, but meh. Now we all have to wait for another spawn. :P
Culling the Herd is pretty fantastic, I’ve gotta say, by the way. Ditto on the new MD. I didn’t pay extreme attention to the new cower when testing out the new instances, but considering how unfriendly Northrend has been to pets (huge reason I personally dropped BM back in Naxx), I’m excited to see it for ferocity pets as well as my tanks.
“while I lament at the loss of threat reduction”
Do you mean to say that your pets were having aggro issues? Really? NO tank that is worth their salt will lose aggro to a hunter pet unless said pet has growl on or is on the wrong target – and THAT is the hunter’s fault, not the pet’s. The original cower was useless and a waste of space. Even BM hunter pets didn’t need it.
The trend with SBs seems to be moving toward griefing – iirc Loque had plenty of spawn points that were widely spaced, Skoll had same or less (can’t recall) but they were all arranged along the route of the TLPD e.g. high traffic area, and now (apparently) the latest spirit beast has one spawn point right near the alliance flight master and a daily PVP spot… yay.
With Skoll most if not all of the spawn points were camped, and you could expect a litany of /slaps, /spits, /duels and so forth if you so much as landed nearby and logged out… I can just imagine the fun and hyjinks to come with Arc and his one spawn point.
I don’t object to Blizzard wanting to make it harder to tame spirit beasts, but they have to know that doing it this way is going to mean a much higher percentage of spawnings will be killed by non-hunters for teh randomm bloo geerz, or by hunters griefing eachother… I can only assume they did it this way to stretch it out and hold players’ interest until Cataclysm…
Kalli, you obviously weren’t there when we all already discussed pet aggro issues prior to my post on another topic. YES, tanks do lose aggro sometimes back then regardless even if pet had growl turned off. Be smart and read back on the former topics before you mouth off on blaming a hunter. Personally, I never said I had aggro issues 90 percent of the time, but the old cower WAS there and handy when some bosses do random target acquisition drops other than on the tank.
Maybe Blizzard figured “oh, it’s a bear and hunters have three ‘prettier’ spirit beasts already, so this won’t be an issue.” *sigh* You’re probably right, Scott; Blizz is counting on us to be horrible to each other and make this all take longer. ‘Tis the season, right? :/
This is just a bad location for hunters of both factions, since it’s ridiculously easy for any lowbie alliance to just trip over him and kill him without a second thought. Meh.
Eh, all right, so it wasn’t completely useless, but tanks taunt back off anyone – including hunter pets – quickly. I still maintain that the new cower is better. Sorry to offend you, but pretty much ALL the pet issues on my server are caused by the hunter being bad/careless. :P Even with random aggro drops, someone else should be doing enough damage to outdamage the pet!
its all right Kalli……. threat is a funny thing…. random aggro drops also targets not just who out-damages a pet, but on who is closer to the mob in particular… and sometimes it is the pet that is closer. I agree that there are stupid hunters no matter what, I’ve had my share of some morons in raids and heroics…. While simple-looking, the hunter class is a bit more complex than most as we all have to juggle abilities/pets/threat/damage/etc in any given situation. Those who know the class well excels at being a good hunter, and they are those I have no worries about…. it’s those that go “pew, pew, pew” without thought about everything else that worries me.
Yes, the new cower is better in terms of damage reduction, and rightly so since without the benefit of a BM hunter’s extra talent points, the health pool is lower than other pet classes like the DK ghouls, and to some extent: Treants, Water Elementals, Demon pets.
That is why I think that some of the pet talents are in a bit redundant and clunky in a lot of aspects. Damage reduction could be easily added into the “natural armor” talent since more armor does – in some ways – also help reduce damage… but since when do common-sense and blizzard always coincide?
“Camel. Old metaphor. A camel is apparently a horse that was designed by a committee.” The WoW MMORPG game is one such… it started out well, but ended up being run by a committee that sometimes have no idea how to run it our of a business side of things……. for it has both the good and the bad and everything in between.
*out, not our …….. dang typos…. need. more. coffee.
@ Ryai
Ah, I see. I can understand, too…Just went Christmas shopping and now I’m broke. Wanted to get the Authenticator for myself, too. AND I have to get three more presents. *sighs*
Kalli: I’ve had my pet out aggro/threat the tank at times and it was by no fault of my own, and 1/3 times it’s not the tanks fault either. Cower let me have the comfort of thinking my pet would be safe. And sofar I’ve only used the new cower twice [once in Oc, still horrid instance, and the other in Nexus on Keri], outside of that I don’t really see it as much of an improvement really. Sure I would have liked it, but I would still like a threat dump for just incase.
At anyrate I’ve managed to run 8 heroics. Eight. EIGHT. In a single day, thanks to LFG, and well I have to say even with the akward fight against Ick and Krick, I now have a newfound resolve to STAY BM and not roll MM like a vid of Yogg Saron made me think i would do to have to be viable.
And the fact the new LFG says I’m geared enough for Ony/Ulduar/Totc 10man? Oh man. I thought I wouldn’t be.
*giggle*
I’m a happy hunter atm.
And yeah the problem with blizz and spirit beasts, they think CAMPING A TAME and putting up with griefing and blackmailers and threats and corpse campers is ‘difficult’, when the true difficulty relies on the actual tame or what you yourself must go through in order to tame it. Not just ‘lol it’s a rarespawn that drops blues so people want to tame it and kill it!’.
Krush/Mosh/Dread = Difficult. MC hound/The beast = difficult [and they still are if you are not prepared], Snarlfang = difficult. Oh hell yes he is, you ever try and tame him lately? He vanishes out of ice trap, out of tame beast, uuuurg. And like warpstalkers and their annoying habit to now go INVISABLE WHILE TRAPPED. Took me five attempts to realize wtf was going on and keep a flare up all times.
But Loque, Skoll, Arc and STD cat are far from difficult. Or challenging. If you have enough patience.
You know and there’s no griefers and etc .-.
O_O Really, Ryai? It could be that you wayyyy outgear the tank then, cause that’s the only real possibility I can think of that would cause that to happen. I’ll see what I can pull on my baby hunter; I intend on keeping BM one of her specs (don’t have room on my main for a BM spec at the moment; I miss my Krush :( ). Sounds like a challenge, though! ;)
If you’re around Ony/ToC 10 gear level, definitely run the new heroics and keep gearing up. :D I was sad to see the sexy new crossbow drop in Pit last night and have to pass on it, since I have better. It’s a fantastic upgrade for up and coming hunters, though!
I absolutely agree on the difficulty of the tame needing to be in the tame itself rather than in the interpersonal aspect of it. *has her train of thought derailed by a frost mage attempting to kill her in the other window while waiting for her spirit bear* Ironic, that. At any rate, on my server, taming Krush was difficult from both angles, since people from both factions here tend to be jerks AND the tame itself was hard. I liked taming Snarler at level too, even though he wasn’t elite, since he pulled his little disappearing act. Some hunters REALLY like challenging tames, which was why Garwal and the ghost wolves were so highly desired…aside from their unique looks. Pets with highly difficult tames are going to remain less common simply because of the amount of work needed to tame them. I think Blizzard is aware of this, since they did give us new HARD tames in LK, but I guess they don’t care to give us many.
Personally, taming King Krush was more than enough excitement for me as a hunter. I just love his look. :)
Kalli: only a couple times was it me outgearing the tank really, once that I knew of outgearing him was a HoS run or HoL norm, and he kept saying I had my pet having growl on.
The two times I knew it wasn’t my fault or the tanks fault is one: the tank was a paladin both times. The second time, even with concecrate and rightious fury, my pet pulled aggro off him on trash. Tho that was partly my fault. I had checked to make sure Cower was at the ready. I had forgotten to make sure zoning into UP didn’t make growl come on. But the group knew of the bug and no one got upset.
But the one time for sure I knew I didn’t outgear the tank? A VoA pug before the crotch fire man and his steroid tempest buddy. Jareth pulled aggro- WITHOUT GROWL, off the tank AND OT ._.
The first time I was all OH CRAP COWER, he survived. Then it happened again. I forget if he died that time, or if it was a third time he did it and died. And it wasn’t the normal aggro drop/random smash the dude does cause he was pounding Jareth hard.
And also speaking of the new dungeons, I have. Managed to clear FoS and PoS, but the tank left at HoR. And tbh as horrible as oculus is, while the lich dungeons were hard, it was more fun than Oc. I also evidently gave advice to Aria to late as it seems, like me, she was well geared enough to get into the dungeons.
And yeah the crossbow dropped for me and I got it, was the only one who could use it- just gave the neck I had won earlier to the paladin when he asked as, it wasn’t as much of an upgrade as I thought it was.
Then had to power level my crossbow skill up lol.
No more farming TotC hc for me, buh bai black knight :D
I heard something today about a 2nd spawn point being up near Grizzlemaw. Has anyone see or heard of anything like that?
Oooh, you opt for cower on a bar; I go with growl, cause I don’t trust it to not autocast in raids. WTB more bar space, or a better way of controlling pet abilities! at any rate, that’s why I hated the old cower. It was a pain when it would toggle back on on my soloing pet. (I keep growl on my tanks’ bars as well, since I don’t want to waste focus in PvP encounters…and there’s something about wandering around a PvP server with a PvE tanking pet out that says GANK ME).
At any rate, I’m still going to stick with the theory that regardless of gear, those tanks didn’t know how to build threat fast enough to hold aggro off Jareth’s big initial burst, so he just stayed up there. Even if you sent him in too early, the tanks should have been able to pass him. x_x At least the new misdirect and your shiny new crossbow should help with that! Congrats on the drop! :D
BTW, the crossbow is 232, which means it benefits from the passive boost Blizzard gave to certain ranged weapons, so I’d say this is the most easily farmable upper-tier ranged weapon available. This is good news for hunters who don’t normally get access to this kind of gear. So really, good luck to everyone. :)
hey, was just leveling another hunter and was grabbing some of the old pets I used to love. this hunter won;t be for trying to out-dps everybody. This is gonne be a fun, low-key hunter with the pets i want, not the pets i need (still don;t own a cat or a wolfon any of my hunters). As I was using my new spider (Zarakh of course), I noticed something odd. Everytime my spider used bite, it made an odd… i don;t know… animation. It was a black star-type thing that vanished pretty quick…. but it happens with every bite. I haven’t had a chance to try taming a different spider to see if it was all spiders. So,i guess my question is…. do spider’s have a new “animation” for bite, or is this just some kind of bug? If anybody find out before tmorrow, could you please post it? That way i don;t spend the time myself after work tomorrow finding out something somebody else already knows. lol
Sorry for the double post… I also had the Zarakh spider tamed and released her not too long before the patch. So, about a week ago, sh did not have the animation. After the patch she does. So, whatever it is, it is something new.
TO day at 5:30 on bloodfurnace i got the spirit bear :) hes the best ya hes lvl 75 but i dot care. hes soo awsome i just stayed in the spawn point near the lodge bged ad after i left the last bg a wsg he was there i was in shock to see him i named him Arcturis 2 hours it took lol
Tamed him just now at 8:55 server on Dethecus. No competition at that moment, thank heavens.
Grats! You’re just lucky I was in an instance! xD Happy to see the spawns roughly around the same time, though. Narrows it down a bit. :) Kinda like with my big green lizard! :D
It’s probably the new Culling the Herd talent, Dweezil. :)
@Ryai:
You know that there’s a *free* Authenticator for most mobile phones now, right? >.>
Here’s the FAQ: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&tag=BNETMOBILE
Also, they are *not* region-specific, as a technology; Blizz only has Authenticators in different regional stores for shipping reasons. It was almost impossible for Blizz to sell them outside the U.S. when they first came out.
And besides the pet, don’t you want the peace of mind that comes with knowing you will *never* get hacked? ;)
well I don’t have an ipod, and I don’t have a cell and don’t have a blackberry, etc. I’ve never really needed one, and as I said my dad blows money like there’s no tomorrow :/
Saying this because the irony is he bought himself a damn iphone.
and there’s also the fact I’m a ditz irl at times with things, I’d lose my head if it wasn’t attached. So was never trusted with a mobile anyways.
Kalli,
Culling the herd only goes off on crits…and this was a level 19 pet. Culling the Herd is in the middle of the pet ree. So, it couldn’t have been Culling the Herd. I’ll do some more investigating after work.
Anyone else have a problem where the pet goes in but sometimes doesn’t use Growl and sometimes doesn’t use ANY abilities? Keeps happening to me. Sometimes it’ll use abilities on one enemy but when it switches to another the pet stops using them and other glitchy garbage.
Ryai,
I’m with you on the whole SB are -not- difficult tames. After a bit of research, I found the spot is usually spotted, parked my hunter there, and every halfhour, hour, check. Found him after a day, right after coming home from school. I had thought he wouldn’t be there, since it was too earlier for the hourly, and way too late for the half hour. But…I’m one Loque richer and I <3 my Artemis.
Back on topic, the whole taming of Loque, not the finding, was easy peasy. Snarler, Snarlfang, whoever, THAT was hard when I didn't know how to do it. The Worgen tame, even though it was a glitch, was the hardest, and funnest tame ever. In the end I had a dwarf hunter who helped me out for a good hour after he got his.
THAT'S what I call brotherhood amongst hunters.
My armored wolf, Iorek, I gathered a couple of friends, and we RPed-fought our way so I can tame one. The best part? The people helping me were my char's cousin IC arch-enemy. xD
And really, that's what I want more of. Fun, weird, interesting, or challenging tames. Not 'Find. Tame. Done.'
Tamed him @ 6:26 am server time on Lightinghoof Server…now to come up with a suitable name for him
Oh, sorry, Dweezill; am mentally stuck in endgame mode. >_< Perhaps it's the new cower stuff? I haven't really had the chance to look.
In re: authenticators – I use one, and they have very definite pros and cons.
Pros:
This is the only truly secure way of accessing your account – a few months ago that didn’t matter much to me since everyone knows account hacking only happens to other people… but when it happened to me, I saw the light pretty quickly, and my authenticator couldn’t come fast enough.
It only costs 6.00 and shipping is free, so cost is not an issue.
And of course you now get a core hound pup when you activate your authenticator. :P
Cons:
Free shipping = postal delivery = looong time to arrive and no tracking. Mine took a little over two weeks and it seemed like forever.
If you lose your authenticator, you can’t get into your account without calling customer service for help – this could be a problem for people who are always misplacing their car keys, cell phone, or etc…
Rumors flying around that he spawns around Grizzlemaw as well and is on a 12 hour spawn timer.
Mitsuhide: That happened to me in one run, forget which dungeon but Jareth was only using MB, ignoring bite and rabid. Hopefully this isn’t Cower Bug 2: Return of the Bug.
Pet Leveling is SOOOOOO much easier now.
Before, it’d take ~3 heroics for 1 level. Now you can get 1-2 levels PER heroic. I leveled 3 pets to 80 in 2 days, XD
Anyone else having pet “health” problems? Whenever I dismount, summon, or repawn at a graveyard my pet’s health bars drops to about 1/3 of its life and then slowly come up to “near” full after 5 to 10 seconds or so.
This is getting my pet killed by random AoE in PvP because it dies while still at 1/3 life. And it seems that the pet does not “regenerate” the health it should have after taking any damage. As a BM PvPer, this makes PvP REALLY hard!
I killed this bear today, He was level 74 rare/elite in Grizzly Hills it was just outside an alliance camp. If i had known it was tameable i would of logged my hunter!
Tamed Arcturis on dragonblight yesterday around 8pm (UK time) He’s already 80 and I’ve had no end of comments about him :D
Tamed near Amberpine lodge on the river bank, he popped up while i was hovering over the river :D
Good luck to everyone going for him, he’s a beaut!
tamed him here is the first video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fWGkeRE1WA
Neutrallo: That’s a bug as old or almost as old as the cower bug. Blizz has yet to fix it. It’s tied to Wild Hunt, and the +stam talent I think. I’m not sure.
It also seems to only happen in Northrend or at higher levels atleast as it’s NOT happening on my pre 60 hunters.
But then that could also confirm it is tied to Wild Hunt and or Wild Hunt and the +stam talent.
But, demons and ghouls are also suffering from this to an extent. Had my Felguard on my lock appear with only 4k/13k :/
Successful tame at 7:44 pm on Dethecus. :) I didn’t get to see much of him in the wild; was too excited to see him and get him tamed. :D Looks to be closer to a 24h spawn timer, unless we missed him this morning.
Oops, sorry for the double. If anyone needs a good luck charm for getting him to spawn, he spawned within a couple of minutes of my summoning my Dun Morogh Cub. xD
Hey guys quick question, didn’t Gondria have his sound file added after a while?
I remember him sounding normal then later he had “magically” gained the sound.
(The reason Im curious is obvious lol.)
Did all the elite pets we tamed lose the (elite) in their names?
D: They did! I just noticed that ; ;
@ Cobralily,
I’m pretty sure it’s always been when you tame rare, elite, rare elite, it loses it’s elite status and becomes the same as any other pet. This happened to my Rak’shiri. my Loque, my Gondria, likely my future Arcturis, and my Shatter Hand Warhound….all rares/elites.
NONE kept their orginal name, rare, elite status, or epic health or anything. -However-, there is a bug in which some hunters might see your pet as its original spawn. I.E, for my Rak, they’d see…
Moonlight
Firewing’s Pet
80 Elite
And he’ll have the little dragon around his portrait. I think it’s just server loading lag, since the orginal mob codes and the hunter pet codes are alike, it picks the wrong one maybe? Not quite sure how it works.
Actually on spirit beasts its always been like
“Moonlight
Firewing’s Pet
80 Elite”
It was like that constantly before the patch. People use to ask me how I got an “Elite” pet all the time. However it seems they’ve taken that out of the pets.
@Ryai
Strange… I recently turned level 80 (3 weeks ago or so) and my pet, a tallstrider that I have used for 83,000 PvP kills is suddenly spawning with pitiful health when it’s never really been an issue before (I think I would have noticed before now).
It typically spawns with about 6k out of 19k and then jumps 5-10 seconds later to about 17k and then it just stops and only gets to the 19k max through Spirit Bond or some other means.
It’s making PvP VERY hard to do since it dies so easliy on random AoE and whatnot from being so low in the 1st place. And I’m pretty sure that if it takes damage before it reaches full health it just stops gaining health afterwards.
I am at frustration max. Ugh, been up for three days, missed the spawn by an hour and got ganked cause my eyes where shut. Oh, and a belf named Adraina keep air-sniping me via parachute cloak. /tears hair
I must have this bear, I absolutely must.
Gankers are really the only ones I gank back. Perfectly fine to just hover over the scene and allow people who want to gank others do it or yada, most of the time I’m left alone. And then a gnome ganked me the other day. I happily ganked him and helped others gank him like 10 times :D [he just kep trying to gank us anyways Oo]
So go rip its parachute cloak off Jangalian. No one here will question you. Certainly not me.
Anyways on a serious note: yeah I noticed the elite status was gone for pets too. I had been asked, how did I tame an elite pet once. But I just liked it because it let others know I might have gone through the trouble at a low level to tame a snake. I mean like with the white serpents, there’s only two ingame skins, one elite and one normal.
Now both are normal ug.
Neutrallo: Well it was happening so much to Ryai that I even made a thread about it. And what came up was it was happening to some like me, and then to others it didn’t happen at all. If you remember the infamous breaking of Growl in what was it 2.4? You’d also note, hunters like me and others had pets where growl was broken/not going off/as good as never having it learned, while other hunters never were affected or never even knew the difference.
This was also when they broke boars too.
I don’t have anything to keep from being air-sniped. =_= I am so tired….I just can’t believe I missed his spawn by like, an hour. He must have popped under my mouse cause SilverDragon recorded the spawn time.
‘Scuse me, I’m gonna get back to kicking myself.
So I was sitting there for a good while with nothing so I alt tabbed out to check here for any new info and read Jang’s post. Which got me thinking did I have it in my log already and not know it?
So I alt tab back in and first scroll up and read the text NPCscan gives of some guys in the cache already and to my sadness his name was there. I had a wtf moment…then looked below me on the ground. There he was just strolling around!
So the short of it is I just tamed him! Huzzah! You’ll get him Jang don’t worry.
I’ve seen quite a few times where other hunter pets have shown as a pre-tame size/name. Cracks me up cause I seen a lil dwarf with Rema at her full glory. But the elite corehounds really can be annoying to see bugged when in a room. :D
Oh and on to Arcturis, almost tamed him till another hunter of the same faction swooped in and killed him. Its true on one aspect listed before, he dies EASY. I usually tag before I tame to discourage others from hitting him and a normal arcane shot took him down 1/3 health. I have since took out rank 1 arcane to tag him along with my pre-tame line up! And for non-hunters, his loot is crap.
Serious grats Kroxis T^T Lemme just pet your glowbear for a while to drown my sorrows. /cuddles new glowbear
lol @ Ryai, I kinda say i can still do as much Damage with Shadowdancer ( my new Sb cat from zul ) and Being Bm then if im in my tank pulling MM spec, but Whats perfect for Bm hunters now since The NEW LFG OWNS!, get the 4 set bonus of t9.. if ur lucky with gold, also match it with Darkmoon Card: Greatness and Watch them BOTH Proc..lol also.. i was right about md.. Saved some time in HOR during those waves. and yea, i seen someone with the new spirit bear already.. hes beautiful. 2 more things i gotta add.. Blizzard took out the (Elite) tagg off of all pets if they was before tamed elites. and aint double checked my old claim as of yet, but the Wolves in UP instance and the scarlet hound in western plaguelands are tameable.. there are new flight points on both sides of western plaguelands now :)
So…does anyone know about Gondria? lmao :D
In response to the “ELITE” pet question. It depends on the UI you are using. If you use the WoW Ui, you WILL see the “ELITE” after the level. If you are using a different UI, you will not see the “ELITE” after the level. I still see it on every elite tames pet because I still use the original WoW UI. Hope that clears that up for everybody who was wondering.
And on a side note, i still have no idea why Zarakh spider still had the “purple star” effect when he bites. i am off to see if other spiders do it as well. As always, if anybody already knows anything, please fill me in.
Dweezill: I use the basic WoW UI. None of my pets are showing up as ‘elite’. Even mousing over someone else’s Loque on a lowbie alt on another server, it didn’t show up.
But then again Blizz broke Dal the other day on Hellscream AND broke my tracking AND broke other things.
At anyrate finally moving my orc to Grizzly Hills to start camping Arc.
So don’t fear the lv 75 Rosalyn. She comes in peace. She would be bringing booze, but the pony keg is in the bank.
Tarantula, Redridge Mts
Green Recluse, Duskwood
Venom Web Spider, Duskwood
OK, these spiders have an orangish yellow spark when they strike,
Myst Leacher, Bloodmyst Isle
Myst Spinner, Bloodmyst Isle
Zarakh, Bloodmyst Isle
These spiders have a purple spark when they strike.
So, it looks like maybe just a different color of strike, but nothing really different other than color. And here I was hopingmaybe I found something kinda odd.
o.O can you guys hear meh?! /explodes
Shadowkaizen, you’d be better off asking in the forums cause none of us have STD cat. Well I think Palla does, I’m not sure.
@Shadow
I tamed Gondria on the ptr when she came out, she did have her special roar.
Yes, my STD cat currently has a different roar. If that helps. :D
ahh..ok thanks.
The reason I asked is cause I thought she had a normal cat voice and then later they added it. The reason I ask is because I was hopeing they would give Arcturis a speical voice file someday…
I agree, it would be cool. It doesn’t make sense for such ghostly/fantastical creatures to make common grunts or whatnot >.>
Huh. I’ve used the WoW ui for sometime and have never noticed ‘elite’ with Artemis. Could be because she’s a recent tame? I really don’t know.
Found the bear at the slope leading to the river just north of the Lodge, and south of the bridge. right around 00:45hrs this morning, on Shadow Council. there were NO other hunters in the area. surprised me.
easy tame – he pounced right into my trap.
/shibumi
Call Stabled Pet
Anyone else having trouble with this?
It is supposed to be a 5 minute cooldown.. but mine says cooldown remaining: 24 days!
is this a game-wide glitch? or just me?
Nope, mine is at 5 min CD
Anyone else know of any other confirmed spawn points for Arcturis?
My call stable is a 5min CD as well, could just be a temporary glitch for you Tilla.
I fixed it with relogging. :)
I don’t know of any other spawn points for him, but i’ve definately been looking!
I just got Arcturis at 4:45 pm server time and its my first spirit beast. Am really looking forward to see how he/she performs. Funny thing is I left and decided to come back a few minutes later for one last look and there it was. Good Luck to all who go after this spirit beast. He spawns at 31-56.
One happy hunter :D I tamed Arturis 12:10 am on EU Drangonblight for those going by spawn timers (same spawn site as usual)
Still no tame for me…..the belf that was camping me took this morning’s spawn. Sigh. /droop
Ahh, I didn’t spot the tail swipe fix before, thank fuck for that, something that always annoyed me on dragon fights.
At least he’s gone now Jang : /
I hate when that happens, Janga… one time as soon as I logged on I saw Skoll… in the process of being tamed by another hunter… I fonly I didn’t mistype my password…
Rottingham, I had been camped by this b!^$% for days. =_= I can only pray that it spawns tonight, as I am too bored and frustrated to continue camping him.
got him! Staghlem US 1:49 am server
After getting him at 00:45 (24 hours ago), between sessions at Wintergrasp, I hunted lvl 78/80s to level him up. it took approx 65-80 kills per level (scales up). finally, he’s lvl 80.
Normally I do not pay attention to showing off pets. I tame them because of the challenge or the desire for a particular skilled pet, or just curiousity. The last thing, if ever, is taming something because it’s ‘popular’. Hard, sure, popular, never.
but I can’t tell you how many comments I got in whispers with this guy. probably 40 or 50! I hadn’t thought about it, but as someone pointed out, I haven’t seen another one (Shadow Council). Now I’ll play with talent specs, see how I might tweak this bear out.
I’ve taken to my mount now, whenever I can, to avoid the conversations :) not that I’m anti-social, but it’s non-stop! you’d think I won the lottery or something.
[would that I had]
/shibumi
i am on dawnbringer usa and this hunter named cindur has killed him 3 times…
Jangalion, I know where the belf went when she was done ganking you. She turned herself into a belf male and griefed me. Finally get into HoR. Down a boss after one wipe. Start on second. Wipe again- get back YOUVE BEEN REMOVED.
Yes now I probably have to wait another three days to get a group.
Hate. As-.. hate idiots. Aurg.
Anyways Jang don’t give up, just keep at it. Remember, it’ll die down eventually. I mean on my server I think there’s like only 2/3 other people really going for Arcturis, not even seen an ally player yet O_o
Or could do what I did, make a temp-alt and chew them out seven ways to sunday. Won’t get anything done but will make you feel better.
Made me feel a bit less disgruntled :/
Yay! I just got Arcturis on DRAGONBLIGHT-EU at 15:00. This is an exact 8 hr respawn going from Boudica’s time on the same server. She got him at just after midnight, and I missed the first scheduled respawn which I presume was at 8am, so decided to come back at 15:00 and bang, there he was!
Boy why is it I get so damn nervous?! My pulse almost jumped off the scale, and my hands were shaking. I’d actually tamed a grizzly when checking for him earlier, but I’d swapped to Skoll to get some quests done. I had to make sure I didn’t abandon him in my rush to take Arcturis! That would have been a disaster ;)
Anyhoo…good luck to all you fellow hunters – he spawned in the same place as everyone else has reported – happy camping :D
Torushe, gz on the tame, and on being lucky. And you’re not the only one who got nervous during taming. I even fudged up with Skoll, couldn’t remember where trap or tame beast were lol.
But ye anyways gz on the tame and think most of the luck should be sent to Jang.
*pushes box of luck to fellow hunter*
*offers cookies to Jang* Remember. Ghost bear will be yours. Repeat this over and over until you feel better. :D
Just got him on Quel’Thalas – logged in, noticed the yellow dots on beast tracking seemed a bit more crowded than usual, and sure enough when I hit my target macro, there he was!
One minor note – he casts “pounce”, which in my case took him clear over my freeze trap, so I had to drag him back onto it and recast tame – not a big deal unless you’ve got other hunters breathing down your neck.
As others have noted he is a druid with the generic “ghost effect” a la Gondria – and somewhat akin to the spirit guide, his hindquarters are more transparent than his forequarters, which can look a bit odd until you get used to it.
GL to all of the hunters still trying for him!
You guys…/sniff
It brings a tear to my eye. I have to log off for two hours, and I bet he spawns during that time. I pray he doesn’t, but we all know how the rules go, eh? But srsly guys, thanks for the luck and cookies. /noms on cookies
/hug Jang… those are good smelling cookies btw… =)
I got him! He’s on a 24hr timer, on Frostmane. Spawned at exactlley 3:45pm server. He’s great. =) I named him Polaris.
Grats!
grats Jang! But I don’t think he’s on just a 24 hour timer.
I’ve seen, in this thread, reports that make me believe it’s 8hr, 12-13hr and 24hr, as I chatted with someone who was parading their arc around. Made me spazz and think it was the real thing tho, anyways he said he was camping for his 13 hours after patch day.
Quick question…
Does anyone know if the serpents in GunDrak are tameable? There are green skinned serpents and red skinned serpents during the boss fight
Grats to all who have him now, and good luck to those still seeking him.
My only regret is that I needed to release Gondria to tame him, but I do prefer the bear. I already had Loq’, Skoll, and my red lynx from the days when it was a challenge to go get them (yeah, went all the way to the BE starting zone to get that cat). And since I recently tamed King Krush, Gondria was the odd cat out… oh well.
Rottingham.
yes the green skinned serpents are stil untameable. checked yesturday during a random Heroic.
Thanks akyo
Grats on all the new ghost bears! :)
I wonder what it is that makes this little guy such a head turner. He was a MUCH easier tame to do than King Krush, yet I’ve received far more “WOW” comments about this guy. :o I guess all devilsaurs look alike to most people. Or maybe it’s a spirit beast thing, I don’t know. I’ve only had the one. :)
@Ryai: those spawns sound accurate, though I’d say the last is a 22-24h range. :) (Unless summoning my Dun Morogh Cub actually did cut down the timer. >_> )
Well idk how long the spawn was for mine but I GOT HIM :D I was gonna head off for bed earlier after checking at around 7/8 my time, but my friend had logged on so I just afked and chatted, then again another friend and chatted and window switch as game was auto logging me out, BEAR.
I had to log out/relog and those were like the most dire 3 seconds ever cause I had to log, couldn’t press any buttons, anyways I got Arcturis I gopt Arcturis~ and never have to camp there again.
Caught him about 6:30 AM server time on hellscream so if any hunters are reading this and on hellscream, hope this helps, no matter what spawn timer Arc takes this time.
BTW, the new pet leveling is sweet, took my new spirit bear into H Gundrak for less than 2/3 of the run, and gained 1.5 levels!!!!!
Well I nabbed her on at 12:30 am (pst)on the nose, 20 minutes shy of 24 hours. Also same spawn point at Ambermill. Lucky for me the other hunter that killed her the first time on me wasn’t there so it was all mine! And as another hunter has said, this one turns heads, far worse then any other of the spirit beasts I have.
And yes, I LOVE the new leveling, 3 heroics and new bear was 80 :D
Now I need a name -_-*
Whoo-HOO Jang. Awesome going.
Aya, if you need help with names, I suggest something along the lines of the sky, night, or stars. That, or something cold or icy. My favorite techniques are to get a book, flip throught it, find a name, and use it. Or the every famous type random gibberish and edit it to see if I can find something I like.
had a thought while showing my new sparkly bear to Aria, cause since Arturis IS a druid skinned beast like the red lynx, and Loque can dance..
DOES ARTURIS DANCE. Quick someone who knows someone with party grenades and or has arc, go bomb one, see if he dances.
this will make this pet even more win XD
Ok I just tamed at the above coords 32/56 at 9:25 server time, 12-14-09
Azzrazzah
Fizzcrank Relm
Ryai, no he doesn’t, and here’s why. The model trees look like this…
-Bear
-bear.mpq
-spectral_bear.mpq
Arcturis is listed as a bear. Druid bear form is a different sub tree with their own set of abilities and movements. Loque is actually listed as Harrakoa..(spelling?) and has all the movements of the druid cat form.
Now this is just what I can see based on the modelviewer, and haven’t yet had the chance to smack him with a party grenade, so if this is wrong, please correct me. =) I don’t mind. Now something I thought of is why he spawns at Amberpine Lodge. There’s a quest to kill a bunch of grizzlys, so why wouldn’t one of their souls stick around for more fish? =3
Correction, should be…
-Bear
and when you click it, it sub-trees to
*bear.mpq
*spectral_bear.mpq
This is just for those who don’t play with the modelviewer and have no idea what I meant.
Oh lol, I get to correct myself! He dances!
[IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a65/Autumnhound/WoWScrnShot_121409_190731.jpg[/IMG]
Hope THAT one works…
LOL! Cuteness! :D
I just discovered a rather annoying bug with this patch (or perhaps the mini-patch): my entrapment isn’t proccing at all, in either pvp or pve. Needless to say, this did not help with the priest-rogue teams in arena this week. *sigh* Has anyone else run into this bug or am I somehow terribly unlucky?
…Loque can dance? Hmm.
The hit point bug actually comes from pet scaling in general. When a pet spawns, it comes up with it’s hit points pre-scaled, as in before the hunter’s stats are added to the pet’s stats. This corrects itself in anywhere from two to ten seconds, UNLESS you are in combat. If you enter combat before the correction then your pet maintains it’s health at that level. This goes for ALL permanent pets. The only way to deal with it in PvP is to dismount further back then usual and run up, unfortunately.
Yep, Loque can also dance, bears and the wolves like Snarlers model to!
Oh and the riding model of cats can’t dance -_- I tried a grenade on my Gondria and it freezes up, like it got scared stiff.
I’m not so sure I understand how the new Misdirect works. I understand 4 seconds of shots (including autos) get transferred to the tank’s threat. But the shot that sets it off, does that count towards the MD?
What I’m used to doing is cast MD, arcane, multi, steady. Does the arcane count? Or no?
I’ll post the picture in the forums since I seem to be failing at figuring out how to post it here. Boo. =*(
Good job on the tame, Jangalian!
Got the bear about 24hrs after patch went live on EU Chamber of Aspects, then fellow guildie got it about 24hrs later so spawn time about correct.
The call pet CD, I have noticed mine is still at 24hrs, logging in and out, changing specs doesn’t resset. Seen several post on wow hunter forums about it., getting annoyed by having to run to stable master to get a new pet.
drak,
mine has been doing that too (call stabled pet) you’re the only other person i have run across with this problem. I put in a ticket yesterday, lets see if it gets fixed with this weeks maintenance. :)
My Call Stabled Pet is currently on a 22 day cooldown. Which is a stunning way to turn a nice little bonus into a gigantic pile of useless.
got my call stabled pet fixed!
here’s the story.
I put in a ticket, and it got fixed (quickly, might i ad!) The GM said it was due to using call stabled pet in a cross-server instance. They are aware of the problem, and are trying to figure out how to fix it. They reset my ability, but told me not to use it in a cross-server pug, or it will glitch again.
hope that helps!
I’ve been able to use it just fine cross server- twice for HoR [succesful and failed run] when I remembered from the first failed run that Jareth is NOT a good pet for SMALL spaces, and prowl is a slight lovely boost to SS when I’ve got it under control.
The second time was in OK when everyone else decided to skip the next to last two bosses and head for the last one, that elephantsquidface thing.
Needless to say I remembered HOW bad it was on Ryai the first time and how bad it was for Zeldei and I decided, I ain’t doing this s- crap without Erebus. Boop goes CSP and out comes Ere.
Ere put lame VW to shame.
Entrapment is working for me again today; very weird. I guess I was the only one with the problem. x_x
tillamooke
Thanks :)
I’d been having CSP issues but I put in a bug report and it was fixed later that night. ^^’
tamed Arcturi 8:30 AM on altar of storms on an lv 74 alt that i had left in the area.
He was walking up and down the hill next to Amberpine :)
Been mostly working on my main sins patch hit(got her some gearz and Pug pet :D) and cant say ive runned into anny glitches with call stabled pet.
Also the hippogryphs can finaly walk! =D
Also guys be warned, recount seems to be splitting hunter dps in two- seperating pet damage from hunter damage. And while I laughed at it doing this in one run cause the guy listing recount did a wtf before listing it off, I’ve been flipping thru some posts in MMO and seems people are just kicking hunters from groups because of it.
Side note – Arcturis is huge as an 80. He’s much larger than a normal bear at the same level, and is slowly approaching rhinos in size. When did rhinos fall out of fashion? They were all the rage with the inception of WotLK.
I’m gonna say the same thing I mentioned in another thread in hopes that a Blizzard dev sees it (and I do know that everyone reads your blog Mania. Hope you get a warm fuzzy feeling about that.) but I think there should be a petition for the change of King Bangalash’s model. It would be nice if they gave the King an update like they did for Onyxia, and gave him the ridingtiger model with the black/white skin. That way, it would open up those delicious Darnassus Companion cats as tamable while giving the King a welcome update.
I know I’d tame him again if he was a ridingtiger. =) I just hate the ‘flat-head’ models.
is petopia getting updated anytime soon?
I think Bangalash is going the way of the dodo tho thanks to cat. Or possibly just being removed- it might also be why they added more striped tigers in wintersprings/changed the general coloration/skins of those cats.
And Jang it’s cause Rhino’s stampede now causes a bleed effect instead of just bowling.
No wait correction, doesn’t it boost bleed effects?
At anyrate if and when blizz does impliment choosing your own talent trees for pets and etc, then rhinos could make a comeback as a ferocity pet. Could. Or maybe as a cunning.
Man that spirit bear is awsome, I am totaly going to get him on my hunter now. OH and thanks for the heads up about the changing wildlife, I had no idea there were diseased wolves in Elwyn now, I gotta go check that out. I wonder if blizz is gonna slowly impliment any other changes like that as cataclysim comes closer.
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Regarding the CSP cooldown glitch: yeah, I had the same thing happen with the 24 day CD after using it in a cross-realm instance. One trick to get it to reset automatically is to queue for a 2v2 arena *skirmish* (the GM that answered my ticket just told me that trick rather than resetting it directly).
Regarding DPS meters and the patch: the problem with Recount (and all meters currently) is that the hidden channel that addons use to talk within a group doesn’t work cross server. That means a melee player with a short range on their combat log will get bad data, since it won’t show ranged DPS in a cross server PuG properly and Recount’s builtin synchronisation won’t fix it the way it does in a normal group. The same problem applies in reverse for ranged DPS not picking up melee properly. The closest thing to a solution is to run Recount yourself with an appropriately large combat log range (e.g. 60 or 100 yards) so that you correctly pick up everybody’s damage even in cross-realm groups. If someone in the group posts borked data, reply with your own complete log and explain that their combat log range is set too low.
@Ryai: The Rhino ability is indeed a substitute for Mangle/Trauma as a raid debuff these days. I’m not sure why any hunter would use one at this point except for aesthetics or because their raid leader really wanted that bleed debuff but didn’t have a feral druid or DPS warrior to provide it.
Got him this morning (0350hrs server) on Cenarion Circle with my Alliance hunter. Kept logging in, and there were several Horde hunters there. We’d wave and greet and I’d log out. I go to work rather early, so thought I’d check this morning. there he was – took about 3 minutes by the time I was done and hearthed to Dalaran.
G’luck to the Horde folks I kept seeing – patience.
/shibumi
Just tamed Arcturis at 7:45PM EST (4:45 server time)) on Shu’ Halo.
Sat around all afternoon and evening waiting for him. Tons of other hunters coming though, logging in, fllying aound. logging out. Even allies that would come and camp right beside me. As if the thing appeared they’d just take it.
He appeared when I was cleaning some trash stags around to limit the yellow dots.
NPC Scan went off and I about peed myself.
Dropped gondria and threw the tame. Didn’t waste time with a freezing trap as there’d been so many hunters coming though and didn’t want one dropping to kill him out of spite.
Even at 74 he got me about 3/5ths down before the tame finished. He hits pretty hard. So I’d advise dropping the drap if you have a second and don’t think he’s going to be swiped.
about 3 seconds after I tamed him, 3 different hunters came flying over. I can only figure their NPC scans went off.
So.. I feel pretty lucky. I’ve popped in and out for a few days but today was my first real ‘hunting’ day and got him in about 5 hours.
Made a hunter yesterday to get a diseased wolf :) Nobody has really talked about them, so I’m deciding to now lol
I love the diseased Wolves, i got mine from PL and use him as one of my many dif. raid pets. no one seems to have one on Nordrassil
Or an Muradin…
been camping this bear for week , non stop and still no dice
Anyone on Duskwood server tame him yet? Or know a timer that its on on this server?
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this or not put the little “Elite” tag on the mouse-over on our pets has been removed for those who have tamed rare elites and such or a silithid from Ahn’Qiraj like I have. Only if the pet bugs to grow to its original size and have its original name and the elite dragon around its portrait (which is pretty rare) will people know sooo…
So much for that :(
EvilDead: as it’s been mentioned in earlier posts, the spawntime seems to be either 8hr, 12-13hr or 24hr, it seems to be random. It could also mean it is tied with any other mob in Grizzly Hills, but afaik there are no other rarespawns right? So it could have been set up to have a random spawn timer.
Btw guys as a word of warning about the new lfg system, there’s now people who are abusing it to get groups and who aren’t what they say they are. AkA hybrid classes claiming to be healers, tanks or dps and NOT specced for healing OR Tank. And Ebayers.
Lots of ebayers coming out of the woodworks too urg.
Nano: Unfortunately we all know this already, and I am starting to assume it has to do with Cat, or possibly something that is going to be involved with future patches or when Cat is released.
IE: some pets disappearing completely :/
Update on the CSP bug: it looks like it is a random effect purely from running cross-realm pugs with the Dungeon Finder, rather than actually using the ability in such a pug
Mania, if you read this I think you should know that there is a spammer on Warcraft mounts…
I think christmas ate Mania.
We are going to be haunted by the ghost of site spam for awhile… hopefully it stays in warcraft mounts and doesn’t find it’s way here :(
Yeah Hopefully…
Also @ Nimizar
That could be tied to the ignore feature not picking up some names/realms to ignore. It keeps happening when I especially need it. Hopefully they aren’t tied together aka you group with a player you can’t ignore and subsequently grouping with this player you can not add gives your CSP a glitch of a 5 year cooldown.
Tamed Arcturis today at 2:49 pm server time on Nazgrel after sitting here staring at the screen and killing numerous stags to rid myself of yellow dots that weren’t the bear. I’m not the 1st on server with him, but as far as I know I’m 1st horde on server with him and 2nd person on server alltogether
I think someone just blew past GC for dumbest dev comments ever. I’m sorry but. Quoting from a thread Aria linked to me that was evidently linked in MMO.
‘The spirit beasts are not the real issue from our perspective. We this spirit beasts are doing fine and we don’t want them to be the only choice for BM hunters since speccing BM should give a player more choices for pets (ideally) and not less.
The problem mainly lies with the wolf just being overpowered. We did consider nerfing them for patch 3.3 but decided that the nerf to pretty much all hunter PvE dps was not worth the benefit of providing more options for pets. Keep in mind though that we have and will continue to make unpopular or even controversial nerfs if we feel they are a benefit for the game. ‘
Afaik Devilsaurs, Cats and Wolves are the top three pets. Right? Then what comes next? The next three I know of are Raptors, Wasps and Moths as moths have a nice buff thing. Or even Sporebats if used correctly. Spirit Beasts aren’t in the top five or the top three if I remember correctly, right? But instead of admiting SB damage is underpowered- they try to claim wolf howl is OP? How? Srsly how? I mean it’s a self buff and it’s not guarenteed to be up 100% of the time, even if you’re BM. [especially with how pets have been not using attacks sometimes in instances].
I don’t see how a wolf being ‘op’ merits SB being weak. And doesn’t this also admit that SB are to weak if people are going after wolves so much that they’d want to nerf wolves to make other choices interesting?
And then what gets my goat.
WHAT GETS MY GOAT PEOPLE.
‘It may not be great for raiding but is still good for leveling while both Marks and Surv are competitive for raiding. I wouldn’t expect any big changes for now. ‘
Yes look, Blizz comes out and says BM isn’t viable for raiding, but because BM is oh so yummy for leveling, it’s fine!
Auuuurg.
Auuuuuurg.
Blizz should realize it’s not ‘forcing BM’s to use exotics’ what they’re doing is forcing BM’s to use EVERYTHING BUT EXOTICS :/
Ryai
I agree
Had an odd experience last night on Perenolde.
As I was logging into the game, right at Arcturis’ spawn point, my NPC_Scan alert went off before the entire screen had even finished rendering. But by the time everything loaded up, there was no Arcturis – only an Alliance hunter hopping onto his flying mount. He zoomed away before I even caught his name.
I naturally assumed I had missed Arcturis by mere moments and this mystery hunter had tamed him. Two other hunters came flying in at that moment, presumably having detected Arcturis’ presence as well. One left immediately while the other, a member of the Horde, lingered.
I stood there for a moment, absorbing what had just happened and feeling somewhat frustrated. Then, as I was typing out a tell to a friend sharing what had transpired, Arcturis spawned right on top of me.
After a nanosecond of total shock, a quickly dropped a trap and started my tame. I waited anxiously, expecting the Horde hunter to engage the spirit beast and kill it. He never did. Arcturis was mine.
Spent the next ten minutes doing laps around Dalaran. :)
At any rate, here’s what I’ve been pondering. Had this mystery hunter I saw as I logged in simply traveled to the spawn point with his previously tamed Arcturis to show off?
Had there been a glitch wherein Arcturis “spawned” minutes before he actually appeared, thereby “fooling” NPC_Scan?
Is it possible he had spawned and been tamed just moments before and yet somehow spawned again? This would mean that the “spawn timer” is not a timer at all and actually a time based random event. Say a 1:1000 chance per minute? This would explain why there seems to be no rhyme nor reason to his spawn times and would also explain reports of people waiting upwards of 36 hours between spawns.
Clearly, if this is the case, my experience was a statistical anomaly (I would estimate approximately 5 to 7 minutes elapsed between the time I logged in to Arcturis appearing). I’m inclined to believe that’s not the case and that the “first” Arcturis was someone’s pet. But I can’t be 100% sure, which is why I’m putting this out there as food for thought.
At any rate, for those on Perenolde, Arcturis spawned at the Amberpine spawn point at 8 PM server time, December 21, 2009.
I use BM in raids, i tryed survival and like BM better. I may not do as much straight dps, but i live longer so that makes up for the small dps loss from survival. It’s real good spec for Ony and ToC Faction champs for breaking fear, cant do any dps at all if you’re running around feared. And BM, like Demo locks, boosts raid dps at cost of personal dps, which is more important in the long run.
Regarding rares in Grizzly Hills, yes, there are three others: Grocklar, Syreian the Bonecarver, and Seething Hate.
Actually I played Demo and my personal DPS wasn’t cut at all, infact I think I did as much as Ryai at some points and he has far worse gear overall outside of only 5 upgrades [rest are crafts/blues etc]. So that still doesn’t really make it right.
Ethallen: That could be a good theory. I mean, with how many people have been giving such drastic differences in tamed times, there has to be something going on. And I don’t think Arturis shares any spawn timers with other rares. As he only spawns in one place- unlike even the Time Lost Proto or Loque/Krush.
Vampyreblood
That is actully a very good point… I’ll bring it up next time i’m in a raid as a BM
Just tamed Arc. 8:25 am server. EST. Easy peasy. No grief, no pain. Just logged in, noted an extra dot, found Arcturis, and BAM. Frost trapped, scoured spell book, tamed, done.
:D
Well done, Firewing :)
*bows* Thank you, thank you. Named him Fade, though its subject to change.
To everyone about the CALL STABLED PET bug.
CSP is breaks when you use it in cross-server dungeons. This is because instances aren’t linked to any specific realm, so when you group with people from different servers, the game assumes you to be in one ‘realm’ while your pet is still in your home ‘realm’. Think of it as if you left your dog at your neighbor’s house in your dimension, while simultaneously entering your neighbor’s house in another dimension only to find your dog already there.
SO. Do not use CSP while in cross-server instances, or it breaks. I have the instructions on how to fix it at home, and I’ll post those later.
Concerning Arcturis, here’s my theory, and this is silly, but maybe he spawns based on how many local grizzlys are killed in the stream next to his spawn area. XD I mean there’s even a quest to kill this, and since the glowbear is a ghost bear (I think) maybe that’s how he spawns because I’ve really got no other ideas.
Jangalian: the problem is- unless it’s been changed or has become more frequent like the unable to ignore player for player not found glitch [really damn annoying as there have been some BAD PLAYERS that need to be ignored :/] it seems to be random. I mean when LFG first was implimented I used CSP atleast three times that day. And I used it most recently, when I finally finished a HoR run because in my first attempt I realized, no, Jareth is not built for close quarter combat and he gets in my way -and- everyone elses way.
Tho granted I’ve not recently played Ryai for several days or LFG’d with her, so things might have changed.
So deal is really just if you don’t need to change your pet, don’t risk using CSP, but if you absolutely must change your pet, do so.
I have to disagree with you, Ryai. My demonologist, and especially my unholy death knight are ahead of my BM as far as damage goes, and my demonologist also brings a much better, albeit also shared buff.
In response to an earlier quote from Blizzard about shit-tastic BM dps, they just poseted (and sorry for the copypasta, btw) –
“I know some of you were reading into my comments a bit much so I’ll try and explain things a little more.
The wolf is overpowered when compared to the other available pets, mostly because it buffs the master. Buffing all of the pets to that level would require a number of different changes to different pets and the chance that one of those buffs would be too much or not enough is reasonably high. When you have say 10 or more things all roughly equal and then one that is outside of that group, the one that’s outside is called an outlier. Defining it as the new normal isn’t smart game design and just like we do with classes, we are likely to nerf the single thing at the top than buff all the others.
It might not be possible to ever get the pets completely identical (see comments below), so very competitive raiders will probably still only take the best one. But if the best one is only slightly ahead of the others, then it will feel more acceptable to some players to run with the pet they like. For most players, improving their own game will have a larger effect than picking the “best in slot” pet if they are comparable.
As far as the Spirit Beasts are concerned, there are several reasons why they would make a bad “best” pet. There are not very many options to choose from and all of them require “farming”; a rare spawn that is more of a testament to blind luck than any kind of player skill. As we said before, there is no advantage to having a wider spectrum of pets to choose from if there is only one right choice.
We have talked about literally making all the pet families identical and letting the player just pick one based on looks. That certainly homogenizes the game quite a bit, which is why we haven’t done it, but it would ultimately allow pet choice to be cosmetic.
In the end, yes, we do want to get BM competitive with Survival and Marks. We even did some buffs in 3.3 to help them get there but the reason for my comments earlier is that we’d rather have two viable raiding specs than just one so Hunters as a whole are not in terrible shape. Eventually we do plan to get all 3 there. Just remember that when players obsess about 1% differences in dps you can understand why that task is pretty gigantic. There are probably more raiding BM hunters in 3.3 than in 3.2 and probably a lot more than there are Subtlety rogues (sorry for the example rogues, but you/we know it’s true). It’s far from a dead spec.”
Now wait a tic, I just thought of something.
If a SB had the same lvl of dps as say, a raptor, then they would still be sought-after pets and worth farming. If they were the top dps for a BM, then you could always give the SB’s a debuff that comes with owning such a flashy pet to lower the personal dps of the hunter who owns it, and thus put it on par with owning a devilsaur, or something of the like. Or, they could increase the amount of available SB’s, or cut down on the spawn timer should they buff up the beast a bit to make it worth more than a status symbol.
Right now, it’s kind of like owning a solid gold Jaguar (the car, not the cat). You can brag about it, you can show it off, but you can’t win any races with it.
Palla: Wait wat, I never said they didn’t D: I meant that they weren’t ‘penalized’ like BM for ‘bringing a raid buff’ D:
I meant to say when I was Demo, his personal DPS wasn’t cut at all, and when I didn’t screw up rotations it was better than Ryai or when he was affliction. And before Ryai got some more upgrades, he was on par with her dps on target dummies. [2.1kish] And I don’t really raid so don’t really care about what I can bring to the group now- unless I’m grouped with Aria and her friend as they are boomkin thus spellcasters thus benifit from my Demoness.
I just didn’t like the rotation even if it was simpler, it felt to much like BM; IE spam three things then spam SB or Incenerate? Or whatwever it is that fire wave is. But why spam SB, you spam the fire cause it does added dmg if the fire DoT is up and .. just reminded me to much of my Aimed-Arcane-Serpent-Ssteady rotation.
Not saying that it doesn’t bring the dps or doesn’t bring the raid buffs, just was saying, or forgot to say, it was far better at BM for the buffs and the dps and wasn’t penalized at all, so it doesn’t make it right for what is going on with BM.
Jang. They could also make two seperate trees of five viable pets each for dps. For SV and MM it would be wolves/cats/raptors/other/other, probably moths/wasps/etc. You know a nice big grouping of ferocity pets. Or hell even Wind Serpents and Dragonhawks. Or Normal Serpents. Ya know?
Then for BM it could be; Devilsaurs/Spirit Beasts/Core Hounds/Sithilid tanks/Chimeras or two other exotics for the last two.
This way a BM wouldn’t be shoved to only having one exotic or one of two normal pets; and SV/MM would still be able to have a pick and choose deal with their pets. And BM again would be able to choose something on equal with an exotic that’s not, if they enjoy being BM but not the exotics that come with it.
I mean idk there’s so many suggestions people have given out. IE change Furious Howl to a Ferocity talent. IE make common spirit beasts. IE make them more common or spawn times have shorter times in between or not hinge them on having to vie with others to spawn, etc etc.
Mean Blizzard seems to always dig their toes in the sand and wail about spirit beasts being nerfed for what they are, or try and say they’re fine, and point the real problem is at the wolves then try to blame the raiders who would always go for a pet that would give +1% dps and it’s like what what what?
Blizz seems to forget we are not asking for a spirit beast that is ‘the most poerful thing ever’, we are asking for a spirit beast that is viable and worthwhile to tame and use. I mean sure Jupiter and Neptune are good for heroics, but they’re never really going to see much in the way of raiding anymore :/
BTW, is anyone else having alot more issues with skidding pets this patch?
Oh, right, right, sorry Ryai, I misunderstood. It’s been a long week. You are absolutely right, Demonology is still alright, it hasn’t been cut in the slightest. They still suffere from the same pet scaling as BM, but with a slight buffer in the glyph of felguard. SO yea, easy leveling spec is a load of crap excuse.
Hadn’t taken a look at Snarler since they nerfed him – and, actually since I tamed him ages ago. was wandering for Explorer and there he was. did a quick beast lore and he still is 100% resist on all schools. nice specs. Too bad he doesn’t keep em :) that would be a very nice instance pet.
/shibumi
It’s alright Palla, my fault to for not wording it right.
my fault too*
really wish there was an edit feature D:
What I don’t get about the wolf being OP and needing to be nerfed is this:
80 AP from howl is not much. Considering my Surv hunter has 5600 AP unbuffed. And the more we get better gear, the more this buff diminished in comparison to our base AP. So the wolf gets nerfed automatically. Couple of weeks ago I opted for a sporebat and I’m loving it so far. The 3% armor reduction is a nice debuff and that will always scale with my damage output. It also benefits the whole raid. I have no exact numbers to prove it is better, I just think this sounds more logical.
What do you think?
I think Sporebats or any cunning pet would be better with a fixed carrion feeder. As After reading your post I went to tame a bat on my belf hunter [one who is high enough at anyrate] and after fiddling around I find it more fun than a wolf, as I never have Furious Howl on for normal pve mobs and I don’t have to worry about switching it on and off.
Tho it makes me wish my dragonhawk got a better dot or something for it’s fire breath :| at anyrate.
It is a bit more fun to use with a wolf- especially with HOW MANY WOLVES ARE ON MY SERVER. Seriously two months ago it was the BWWolves. Next month, the Vargul blighthounds. This month it seems to be a mix of those two and grey/white northrend wargs.
Anyways at anyrate the only downside with the bat imo? Carrion Feeder.
‘No nearby corpses to eat’
BUT I AM STANDING ON A DRAGONKIN I JUST KILLED!
‘No nearby corpses to eat’
BUT I MOVED ONTOP OF IT!!!!
‘No Nearby Corpses To Eat’
etc.
Then if you move- pet decides to STOP channeling and follow. Thus breaking Carrion feeder. I’ve also had Carrion feeder go off but DO NOTHING.
Which is really frustraiting as when wolverine bite procs it’s more fun than Call of the Wild; as like with furious howl I leave it for dire situations OR boss fights.
And I mean it’s a really good pet but CARRION FEEDER causes auuuurg.
Edit: My sporebat decided this time to not follow me and continue channeling Carrion Feeder.
why does this have so many glitches. Why.
Here’s my thought on the whole BM mess…
First, Blizz is keeping BM down just because they know everyone would flock back if it really was on par with the others. Same with the spirit beasts. Hunters are still hurt the most due to scaling, and by the end of Wrath, we are going to be hurting.
That being said…
My pally is my raiding main, I actually like tanking. So he’s my primary raid toon. My hunter is my farming toon, and I go out with him and do heroics and stuff, and I run as BM. If I get into a situation were I need to go MM, I have a cat, and will run with that as MM (red lynx from the BE starting zone). My other four pets are KingKrush, Loq’, Skoll, and my new spirit bear “IceCube”. I’ve yet to be in a raid were I couldn’t be BM, or MM with the cat. I’m not in the bleeding edge of raiding guilds, so it just doesn’t matter.
and where is Mania?
@Ryai: cool you tried a sporebat as well :)
Apart from the Carrion Feeder which bugs a lot indeed, I love the fact that I now stand out in a hunter crowd which solely consists of dull wolves. Also the Roar of Recovery gives me advantage over hunters using ferocity pets. With a well balanced use of viper sting I can keep running in instances without having to mb all the time. And on long boss fights I have 30% extra mana at my disposal which is huge now that hunters have a manapool of sometimes 15k. So less time in Aspect of viper is more dps. The spore cloud which does 2 things at once: apply a DoT nature damage AND reduce armor by 3% is very cool in combination with our volley.
I’m set with my Spore Bat until Cataclysm I think. We’ll see what happens then :)
oh forgot to mention: I hardly use Carrion Feeder anyway, I have which produces enough to feed him everytime. It’s free ;)
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, everyone.
Day 2 of camping da bear. No luck yet. Saw an ally hunter on AD with it running around and trying to show off. We get it people. You tamed it. Don’t have to flaunt it. Wish me luck.
Amrasillias,
I have been using Sporebats for quite some time in raiding and have loved them. The armore redux is awesome and the nature damage to bo0ot is noce…. and it’s all wrapped up into an AoE blanket. So yeah, I have likes Sp[orebats for quite some time, and the change to Wolverine Bite was a huuuuge, nice addition. I did very good dps with them, and have no complaints about them. the only problem I did have was on multiple mob fights… the spore cloud would draw aggro and my Sporebats would die. Other than that, no complaints at all about Sporebats.
Quick question…
My little BE hunter has used a dragonhawk as her pet ,and I noticed it does awesome damage and things die fast. It’s like having a little fire mage. But these guys focus more on dishing damage and not taking it, or stunning and running, meaning it isn’t meant for multi-mobs. So is it a good idea to convert ferocity or tenacity, or stick to my guns and continue with Phoenix?
Okay. Maybe not so quick. But still. What are folks opinions?
Um, there’s a difference between “it could be worse” and “it’s fine”. Blizz have said they aren’t happy with the fact that BM isn’t “viable” for the hardcore min/max crowd. However, it is already plenty viable for normal modes, as it will still wipe the floor with badly played SV hunters (and presumably badly played MM as well, but that rotation is nearly as simple as the BM one, so the difference in effectiveness probably won’t be as large). BM is also far and away the best leveling and farming spec (with CSP still bugged to hell, I currently farm and do dailies as SV with my wolf, and I definitely miss my normal BM farming spec and tenacity pet).
For me personally, my raid and dungeon DPS will vary far more based on which buffs are available in the group than it will based on my own DPS (at my level of gear, buffs can account for 1000 dps or more, while spec only accounts for a few hundred).
The main thing is that Blizzard are right in saying that it isn’t as simple as just whistling up some extra DPS for BM hunters. What kind of fight do they want to add the DPS for? Do they want to tie even more BM DPS up in the pet? Or push things back towards the hunter again so loss of the pet isn’t quite as crippling? Will such a DPS increase unbalance BM in PvP again? That’s not to say they won’t try to make some small tweaks to bring BM raid DPS closer to parity in Wrath, just that I’m not really expecting them to try particularly hard until Cataclysm rolls around (now that the minor relative buffs in 3.3 have proved insufficient).
@Firewing: You can level with pretty much any pet, but the Thunderstomp tenacity pet talent is *really* nice. (Apparently it is even better when combined with a bear’s AoE swipe, but I’ve never actually tried that myself).
Hmmm. I might pick up a bear later on for those tough-to-solo quests. I suppose I’ll keep it up with Phoenix and see what happens later on.
How was BM unbalanced in pvp to begin with Nimizar? PVP is now about burst damage- surviving that burst damage. BM =/= burst damage but sustained damage and relies HEAVILY on the hunter’s ability to CC and or kite the target.
At lv 60 my orc hunter was able to go toe to toe with DK’s, wars, paladins and even rogues [which surprised me]. My other hunter [Ryai] at 80, when everyone had just about the same level of gear [before ulduar and etc as not everyone had every single set of pvp gear], I mostly got facerolled by just about every class or specc EXCEPT for other BM hunters.
And this was ‘while we were still unbalanced’.
And Blizz could as I said fix pet dps [as in fix spirit beasts finally?] or, OR, revert the one talent they left unchanged, give it back the what +5% dmg they took away? Or hell throw in the +5% boost exotics got? I mean I’m sorry but if I go so far deep into BM for exotics I want to be rewarded.
OR.
The BM talent provides a +5% boost to ANY pet you tame.
And do you really trust Blizz to fix this by Cat? I mean it took them so long to fix Deadzone issues and they still are denying us auto attacking -while- moving. I could even deal with an ingame irl equivalent of downs your accuracy/hit rating XX% [I suggested a penalty of 30 to Aria as that's what I think it is like irl]
I mean having a Dev at first flat out say basically ‘Oh sure BM sucks but you still have SV and MM so go roll one of those speccs’ is about as insulting as my friend being told to Reroll Resto :/
I always seem to have some problems when using a non-tank pet. It does damage, alright but as soon as it got multimobs on him and I have to throw a heal or two at him, I usually gain the attention of those, who aren’t in my pets target.
Therefore, I have a bear for soloing and a Wolf for instances and raids. And I kept my first ever tamed pet as well, although he’s only out on roleplaying purposes, because everyone knows him.
Been reading thru this thread. I too see a problem spirit beasts DPS. I had Loq, dumped it to tame Skoll (like the look better). But I almost always take Takk on all runs with me. Sometimes I take my devilsaur, but he just seems too big at times.
But I agree, the spirit beasts need to have better DPS. My raptor does better than my SB. I thought all exotics got a boost? I have not seen it in the SB. The devilsaur does better than my raptor. I used to have a wolf on Joly, but not anymore. I have Takk, devilsaur, Skoll, Sapphire Hive Queen (when it was tamable, use her for PVP), and Sewer Beast for tank pet.
For the Cunning Tree, I think they should combine the Carrion Feeder and Feeding Frenzy. This would make it so you don’t have to move over to the corpse, the pet is already there, have the “feeding/healing” happen during the last part of combat.
Or, if not combined, then when you tell the pet to use Carrion Feeder, it will move on its own tot he nearest corpse to feed. You don’t have to find the sweet spot to get it to work.
Just my 2 cents.
@Regash
I notice this too, with my Dragonhawk. On my main, however, her wolf and/or cat do fine. Infact, my wolf has earned the infamous name ‘Wolf Tank’ because sometimes right after the tank pulls he pulls aggro, and holds on pretty darn well for the duration the tank gets it back.
It could be though, dragonhawk doesn’t have great stam while the others do. Hmm.
I see many of you complaining that the last point in BM isn’t even worth getting because “SB’s damage is too low.” The spirit beasts might be sucking but you’re not limited to JUST taming Spirit Beasts. SB do LESS damage than the Devilsaur, by far. It IS the top dpsing pet in the game, even over a wolf for BM hunters. And then there’s the Worms. Their dps isn’t the greatest but it quickly applies the 20% armor reduction to your targets, much faster than a warrior can hit Devastate/Sunder Armor 5 times.
Exotic Pets are very useful, granted BM hunters don’t do a lot of damage but that’s solely due to the lack of the BM spec having a nuke. MM gets Chimera, Surv gets Explosive. Blizzard has said in blue posts that for cataclysm they want to give BM something that mixes up their rotation a bit. Hinting at giving them something similar to Survivals “Lock and Load” talent but they weren’t 100% yet.
BM is nothing without the 51st talent. Rawrawrawr. <3 Devilsaurs…I miss mine being MM/Surv for raids. (MM is higher dps btw!)
Actually, I am finding more and more that I’am climbing the dps chart as a BM. Though I prefer a hyena as my companion. I am not into the best dps pet, I am more for the “I like this pet look”. I think a big part is just knowing the full depth of your class and being able to time your abilities accuratly. Toggeling between hunter and pet abilities can be tricky, but thats half the fun!
Even as BM, I am actually starting to pull aggro from tanks (that are much better geared-and know how to tank) it really surprised me when the tank told me to slow up a bit lol. I’ve never had a tank tell me that before.
I’ve noticed this dps increase since I stopped relying on Beastial wrath as my main dps ability. I’ve had to improvise, and it seems to be working. I use hunters mark, a macro for steady-shot/auto shot, Kill command sequence, and keep a scorpid sting up, hiting aimed shot when ever it needs a refresh. I do time my BW with Arcane shot, for a bit more burst, but otherwise just use arcane as it becomes available.
Hyena’s are a nice steady dps, low to the ground so they dont get in the way of anyone else, and he seems to survive quite well it any run/raid. (I’ve had him since I was first able to tame him in SM)
My baby hunter (with spirit bear <3) can pull a consistent 1.1-1.4k dps around level 75. Given, this is with the pug buff, but other hunters in the same bracket get that buff as well and do half that. (This is not a criticism of them, since they definitely don't have the raiding background I do.) But yeah, the point is, it's all how you play. :) A hard-working BM hunter can still put out solid dps; it's just not optimal personal dps.
I understand Makoes, liking pets will often get you farther than ‘oooh good deeps, hello’ fortunately for me, i love all of the top dps pets, cats the most, so i don’t have a problem choosing a good pet to use. But when i pull out my Warpstalker for soloing and such, then people start to think im crazy b.c most hunters believe that bears and crocs are the better of the tenacity pets b/c of their second aoe’s…
I am loving Culling the Herd, it really helps up the damage for a BM Hunter, especially when combined with Go For The Throat. Innate Avoidance is a godsend for raids.
Funny thing, my first ever Heroic run in Violet Hold, and one guy said that he had never seen a BM Hunter pump out as much damage as I was doing. I was like O.o “Seriously?” and he was “Yeah, you’re kicking butt”. Made me feel good, especially since I was in practically the baseline requirement to even do a Heroic XD
And on a really happy note, I tamed Skoll two days ago! :D I practically tripped over him, wasn’t even looking, and there he was by the frozen river in Bor’s Breath. Use Call Stabled Pet, picked my least-used one, released him and BOOM, now I have an electric wolf. I happy :3~ Gotten some whispers and questions, and people think he’s the bee’s knees in raids.
Question, though, I read in another post that Spirit Strike wasn’t leveling or scaling properly, is that still the case? It seems to do a good amount of damage.
‘I see many of you complaining that the last point in BM isn’t even worth getting because “SB’s damage is too low.” ‘
Uh no. That’s not why. It’s because when you put yourself that deep into the tree, you basically only have three pet choices afaik. Wolf. Cat. Devilsaur.
It should also be Spirit Beasts- but first they were doing less damage than cats, and afaik are still doing less dmg than cats, and we have a hunter saying they do less dps than a raptor. Which is what a Devilsaur is basically [glorified raptor aka monsterous bite]. Spirit Beasts equiv are cats, Rake-Spirit Strike. But Spirit Strike doesn’t scale correctly and Blizz first tried to cover this up, as we all know to ‘prevent grief to hunters in hard core rading guilds’… yeah. Right. If they wanted to do that, the beasts wouldn’t be in the achive and wouldn’t drop ‘blue goodies’.
‘The spirit beasts might be sucking but you’re not limited to JUST taming Spirit Beasts.’
As said; cats, devilsaurs, wolves. I rarely see a hunter with anything exotic that’s not a devilsaur or a spirit beast as unfortunately, nothing else I think comes close to a spirit beast. Well possibly a core hound, but I’ve only seen 2 lv 80 core hounds.
‘SB do LESS damage than the Devilsaur, by far. It IS the top dpsing pet in the game, even over a wolf for BM hunters.’
We know they do, this isn’t the point about it. I would be more inclined to take my SB’s into instances for more than ooh shiny moments because I love them dearly, but I can’t. I would probably be better off with my wasp. Tho again, I can’t use her, even for HoR as that is not an instance/dungeon that is friendly to large pets, especially at the begining of the fights when you have to hide in a small enclosed space.. [am I right or am I right /sigh].
‘And then there’s the Worms. Their dps isn’t the greatest but it quickly applies the 20% armor reduction to your targets, much faster than a warrior can hit Devastate/Sunder Armor 5 times.’
The problem is… I’ve never really been in a dungeon when that is required. And even in a raid, there are other debuff pets you can take, tho admitedly the wasp doesn’t stack with faire fire, or does it now?
And last time I used a worm, my alt got kicked from a group :/
Anyways the point of our complaints isn’t ‘we go 51 points and we can’t DPS extremely with our spirit beasts!’ it’s, we go 51 points into BM and our only really competitive choice for a pet, is a devilsaur.
And Mitsuhide, that unfortunately is still the case. Cause that Dev post pretty much showed they aren’t touching spirit beasts with a 30 foot pole. Tho admitedly spirit beasts are one creature I will always still try to tame because I do like them, for novelty purposes or for moonfire spamming.
double post:
Gim ignore them, there’s nothing wrong with a warpstalker, and I love them :D and even if I don’t find them as useful [as I just love the security of the AoE threat or extra dmg tho bad attitude doesn't stack with thorns it seems :(] they are still a good pet.
Tho admitedly do watch out. I’ve had my warpstalkers warp into the air, off cliffs, to their deaths…
I ticketed it once got ‘working as intended’
Blizzard doesn’t know jack when it comes to Hunters. And when they say stuff like “Yeah one tree sucks but you have two others to play with”, that’s when I get pissed. If that’s what you believe then just take out all of the trees and make everyone exactly the same. Problem solved.
Though I’ve never had any problems with people bitching about my pet choices in instances and Heroics. I’ve had one person go “BM? Fail XD”, but she was a rogue and I have low opinions of them anyways. I’ve taken my Ironhide Devilsaur (Ranmaru), Nuramoc (Masamune), The Kurken Core Hound (Tadakatsu), and most recently Skoll (Mitsunari) into them and no one’s complained. Heck, I’ve had people compliment me on my pets or be all “oooooooooo” when they saw them, especially seeing them in action (love it when my screen fills with lots of big yellow and orange numbers from both me and my pets, 21%+ critical strike for me and however much for them FTW). Maybe I’ve just been lucky.
Ryai,
Of course a warpstalker is working as intended. If a mage blinked off the cliff, it’s fine! :D
Actually, on my BM hunter,I dop the best dps with a wasp. My wasp even out-dpses my devilsaur… now let me explain my theory on why this is so. First off, it’s really hard to make a wasp work because their Sting goes off every 4.9 seconds… I think that is the correct number. You may think that having a quick special like that is good, but if your pet is always out of focus, it’s not a good thing. So, untill you get your crit per cent to about 40%, your pet won;t have enough focus to use it’s abilities. naturally, the more point you put into Go For The Trhoat, the better. I have about 41% crit rate, and my wasp is a killing machine. If you think a devilsaur is godly dps, wait till you get to about 40% crit and try a wasp. once you keep his focus up and available., they are amazing. Just my two cents worth. I personally think the wasp is the best dps for BM hunters… after your crit is high enough to keep their focus up.
*Chuckles* Ironically three of my favorite pets are Devilaur, wolf, and cat. I enjoy my spirit beast, obviously, but for now that is neither here nor there. I’m going to say what I have always said: Use what you enjoy. If you are a min/maxer, then wolves and devilsaurs are the way to go. If not, then use what you will.
I know that Palla but it still won’t stop the flak, it even happened on my server last night as trade settled down after a real, real whiner of a healer whined about a supposed ninja. Or it was before this. Anyways. Once again it was the ‘MM/SV and BM brings nothing/is useless’ talk.
I just want that to stop. I mean I only get snoopy and nosey when I notice a hunter is wearing cloth [not heirlooms] or rolled need on melee weapons or armor…
or is trying to melee like a rogue, seriously. But I don’t tell others how to specc :/
MM/SV is greatest* bleh I really shouldn’t be allowed to type sometimes.
Ryai, I was in a group last night and had taken my bear with me. The first thing some rogue did was insult me about that. He stopped by the end of the run, when I was first in damage and DPS.
But yes, if you see a hunter with cloth gear or gemming for SP, say something kindly….
You think it wouldn’t be so hard for Blizzard to make all three Trees roughly equal in terms of damage output, but in different ways. Seriously, Hunters are the only class right now who suffer from one Tree being very short-changed compared to the others.
Still, I’m perfectly happy with being a BM and with my damage. I’ve had people tell me that they’ve never seen the kind of damage I was putting out as a BM Hunter (which made me smile :3 ). Right now my spec is most of the points in BM and some in MM. In MM I have:
5/5 Lethal Shots
5/5 Mortal Shots
3/3 Focused Aim
2/2 Go For The Throat
And I have between 24%-26% critical strike chance, which goes off a lot. So satisfying seeing a bunch of huge yellow numbers popping up when I Volley. My pets are never short of Focus, which they use to get a lot of Culling the Herd and Ferocious Inspiration going. At the moment my limiting factor is my bow, I have the Trophy Gatherer (and no guild to help get others, I hate how most of the best ones are fricking Arena rewards). Still, I’m getting around 2K per critical hit with Volley, 5K with Arcane Shot and over 9K with Kill Shot. Not too shabby.
As far as damage is concerned, unless you are an end-game raider, BM is quite fine if you know what you are doing. With a gearscore of 4900, I can pull 3.5k in heroics and 5.5k fully raid-buffed. And I do that with a macroed rotation. Yeah, I’m not top dps in a 25-man raid, but I’m also not on the bottom either.
I use my hunter as my “escape” alt, when I don’t want to be in guild and constantly asked to go tank something. :-) So I need him to be viable, but doesn’t have to be the best in the world.
Remember, some of the new gear is fantastic. Get the 50-frost-badge cloak, and the crafted boots, those are fantastic items for anyone that is not end-game raiding.
Palla: Do you use Tstomp+Swipe or just swipe, with your bear? As an alt has one and I do enjoy bringing her into dungeons. And good job for putting that rogue in his place :D
Tho this might sound stupid but what does ‘Gearscore’ mean O.o
Thunderstomp and swipe, any self respecting tank will be able to keep aggro through the stomp. I haven’t had any problems with it yet. My next experiment is going to be with a spore bat…..
I’m not sure if this is a trend, but within the past week or two, I’ve seen a good number of BM hunters with a variety of pets and reasonable dps (even on borked Recount meters) in randoms. The last one was using a purple tallstrider! (I’ve never seen one at 80 in person before, so that was really cool.) So as far as I’m concerned, keep it up, all you BM hunters.
I hope the call stabled pet bug stays fixed on my end; I’ve been enjoying bringing my cat out to play, but like having my wolf nearby in case we need a srs bsns pet.
Thanks Mania for updating Petopia.
@ Ryai
http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12245-GearScore.html
This is the page for the addon Gear Score. Basically, it takes a look at your equiped gear and gives you a rating in number. The higher it is, the better gear you have. It’s main purpose is to give people who invite you to group / raid an idea of how well geared you are. Unfortunately, too many people think it also gives them an idea of how well you play, which is completely bogus.
However, even if a skilled player is wearing crappy gear, there’s some places they can’t go into until they have better gear, no matter how good they say they are. If you want to raid ICC and someone wants to come, and that said person has a low gear score, there’s a good change he/she is still in greens and or blues, and will be the first to die horribly in there.
Though as a good friend of mine said:
Good gear + skills > bad gear + skills > good gear + no skills > bad gear + no skills
@Mitsuhide: Subtlety rogues would probably take issue with your first point :)
And while frost PvE effectiveness has been improved significantly, I don’t believe it has reached the point of being a genuine competitor to Arcane/Fire/Frostfire for raw damage output. (No idea about warlocks)
In regards to hunter weapon upgrades without raiding:
- rifle from an Engineer
- crossbow from Heroic Utgarde Keep (Ingvar)
- rifle from Heroic Trial of the Champion (Black Knight)
- crossbow from Heroic Pit of Saron (Krick & Ick)
- rifle from Normal Pit of Saron (Tyrannus)
- bow from Normal Halls of Reflection (Lich King)
Turns out there is also an iLvl 200 epic gun available for 25 champion’s seals if you’ve done enough Argent Tournament stuff
Wish they’d brought that gun out sooner if it’s the right one I’m remembering, would have saved me [and my friend] 2k to buy it lol.
And thanks for the link/explination Shin.
Sadly wished people would understand this more. And you know take the time to explain things.
I’m one of the people that learns better by experience than reading tacts. Mean even I got the gist of where to stand and what to do by watching the party members in VoA…
But then again I just fought that faceless boss in OK the other day with AotV up /doh
No more “D’oh, I forgot to switch back to Dragonhawk” moments is the biggest gain I am looking forward to with the change to focus…
I’m with you there, Nimizar. I can’t tell you how much easier it is to run heroics as a death knight instead of a hunter, just because I don’t have to worry about juggling AotV or even having to go so far as to drink.
I’m still iffy about focus, even if it’ll come with less problems than AotV has given us. But it took them what a year and a half to finally fix AotV into something decent?
Tho tbh as bad as it is at 80, it’s less fun on a hunter you’re leveling up. Especially with the nimrods of I KNOW UR CLASS BETTER THAN YOU. DONT USE VIPER!!! DEPEES.
Seriously.
But then again focus change should nip those annoying people in the bud for a bit.
Yesterday I have tamed this beautiful pet.
GZ Paulo
@ palla- dont be so sure we will not have to juggle aspects when focus replaces mana. they can always change viper to “focus returned from steady shot is increased by X% when this aspect is active” or something like that- to make us juggle it even more.
@Witrely: Nah, everything the blues have said makes it pretty clear that aspect juggling for hunter resource management will be a thing of the past. The only question will be whether Viper is just ditched entirely (leaving Dragonhawk as the only regularly used combat aspect) or whether it is reworked into something different.
@Nimizar:
It’s worth noting that the crossbow from heroic PoS is item level 232 and therefore has the added damage bonus that ranged weapons below 232 do not. It’s the only ranged weapon available outside raids that has this perk.
Always hated that ‘perk’ Blizzard threw in for ranged.
and Nim: If it’s not taken out I suspect it might either A: boost Serpent Sting’s damage or B: provide a chance to cause additional poison damage or something, like a rogue can do.
I mean when one thinks of viper, their first thought isn’t about mana.
@Kalli: yeah, that Crossbow is really sweet (got it on my second visit to Pit of Saron, then sharded it again on my third visit – the loot table for K&I only has about 6 items on it)
@Ryai: Blizz didn’t have a lot of choice about that when they didn’t add new rep grinds for the Ulduar and Trial raid tiers. It’s not really a perk, just an alternative implementation of the hunter DPS gain that would normally come through a new tier of ammo.
As far as Viper goes, hunters have actually associated Viper with mana through Viper Sting for as long as I can remember (it will actually be interesting to see what, if anything, happens to Viper Sting with the change to focus). If Viper sticks around as an Aspect though, my money would be on it becoming the PvP aspect with Dragonhawk losing its dodge bonus and becoming the PvE aspect. Something a bit more like DK presences – perhaps give Viper a small movement speed boost that stacks with Kindred Spirits along with a GCD reduction (since hunter sustained DPS in Cataclysm will be focus limited rather than GCD limited).
I guess that makes it better than a rep grind as I barely even got to see Ulda with Aria a few weeks ago.
OH YOU DONT KNOW TACTS IMA GONNA QQ AND LEAVE U ALL TO DIExhalf the damn raid *facepalm*
Then the MT tank left when we downed that first boss even after my bike glitched. I just admited ‘yes I am an idiot’ in advance cause I can be at times. The healer managed to rope in a friend and we downed the bot of 5 yr old voice quickly O_o god hate elitists.
But yeah compared to that experience… a buff to our ranged weapons is much better than a rep grind imo.
And I’d kinda forgotten all about Viper Sting 8D
I personally am not looking forward to Focus….. I never thought that mana was broken for hunters. I do fine, especially with how many batteries my raid group throws together sometimes… When I’m low I usually just pop VS then chimera shot and I’m good again, but sometimes i need a few moments in AotV to catch up…
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