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	<title>Comments on: Armchair Designer: Exotic Pets &amp; Spirit Beasts</title>
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		<title>By: Personperson</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48680</link>
		<dc:creator>Personperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know this isn&#039;t exactly the place for this buuuuut

what if in cat to open up the BM tree hunters could use 2 pets simultaniously (with minor nerfs to damage so it&#039;s not totaly OP) cuz 4 extra TP just doesn&#039;t cut it for the end-rank talent

more specifically to the SB, spirit strike NEEDS a buff. i see bites from my wolf in my mm spec that do more damage than Spirit Strike does over its enttire duration with bestial wraith on. 

now to the points mania raises, spirit beasts are their own family, a god shouldn&#039;t be described as something as meager as &#039;another kitty cat&quot;.

if pos spirit beasts prowl should be replaced with something more befitting their status. Spirit beasts don&#039;t sneak around, they walk the twisting nether and strike their foe with something that makes me think of shoop da whoop every time i see it. for all purposes it would look like prowl but not really be prowl. speaking of prowl it could use a buff too. i see hordies targetting my stealthed pet while they&#039;re still on their mount charging at me and it makes the talent useless.

aanyhoo, i&#039;m gonna end todays rant at here before my head explodes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know this isn&#8217;t exactly the place for this buuuuut</p>
<p>what if in cat to open up the BM tree hunters could use 2 pets simultaniously (with minor nerfs to damage so it&#8217;s not totaly OP) cuz 4 extra TP just doesn&#8217;t cut it for the end-rank talent</p>
<p>more specifically to the SB, spirit strike NEEDS a buff. i see bites from my wolf in my mm spec that do more damage than Spirit Strike does over its enttire duration with bestial wraith on. </p>
<p>now to the points mania raises, spirit beasts are their own family, a god shouldn&#8217;t be described as something as meager as &#8216;another kitty cat&#8221;.</p>
<p>if pos spirit beasts prowl should be replaced with something more befitting their status. Spirit beasts don&#8217;t sneak around, they walk the twisting nether and strike their foe with something that makes me think of shoop da whoop every time i see it. for all purposes it would look like prowl but not really be prowl. speaking of prowl it could use a buff too. i see hordies targetting my stealthed pet while they&#8217;re still on their mount charging at me and it makes the talent useless.</p>
<p>aanyhoo, i&#8217;m gonna end todays rant at here before my head explodes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandalen</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48595</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do all SB&#039;s have to be in the DPS(ferocity) tree? Spirit Beasts in many cultures are protectors or guides; why couldn&#039;t there be a tank SB? Yes, make him look unique, but give him tank-like abilities along with his Spirit Strike (or some other unique SB tank attack). Mix it up, but at least make one SB able to tank. Same goes for cunning.. why not a pvp style SB? SB&#039;s will still be exotic and hard to find/tame, but why not go a little further? Make the SB a sub-category in all trees.

A 51 point talent should be for something more significant than a unique skin. Currently wolves beat Devilsaurs in dps (my testing) and regular cats beat SB&#039;s(again, from my tests). My point is that a 51 talent to tame exotics shouldn&#039;t just get you a new skin and middle of the road damage; there needs to be some sort of bonus, increased dps, new tank ability or something... anything.

Oh, Hunters need more stable slots!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do all SB&#8217;s have to be in the DPS(ferocity) tree? Spirit Beasts in many cultures are protectors or guides; why couldn&#8217;t there be a tank SB? Yes, make him look unique, but give him tank-like abilities along with his Spirit Strike (or some other unique SB tank attack). Mix it up, but at least make one SB able to tank. Same goes for cunning.. why not a pvp style SB? SB&#8217;s will still be exotic and hard to find/tame, but why not go a little further? Make the SB a sub-category in all trees.</p>
<p>A 51 point talent should be for something more significant than a unique skin. Currently wolves beat Devilsaurs in dps (my testing) and regular cats beat SB&#8217;s(again, from my tests). My point is that a 51 talent to tame exotics shouldn&#8217;t just get you a new skin and middle of the road damage; there needs to be some sort of bonus, increased dps, new tank ability or something&#8230; anything.</p>
<p>Oh, Hunters need more stable slots!!</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for a double post, but excuse a few mis-spellings in my little rant. Can&#039;t exactly say my fingers are up and awake tonight. =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for a double post, but excuse a few mis-spellings in my little rant. Can&#8217;t exactly say my fingers are up and awake tonight. =P</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48283</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mania, I mean I understand Blizzard wants to add a Beast Model in every known pet family to the Spirit Beast Family, but if you keep it up where you&#039;ll have the same abilities..I mean..I know a few Pet families like a Devilsaur can claw at something (Mainly being the size it is tamed) Could be able to slash at you with its claws on the toes. In fact it&#039;s one of the attack animations of a Devilsaur. But when you&#039;ve got a Dragonhawk or a Wind Serpent...where the heck are the claws or talons? There are only a few Models I think just won&#039;t look right being SS. (Mainly me being an Animal Lover/Observer =P)

  @Naturae Silithuds are cute in their own way. You don&#039;t think that little slight dance isn&#039;t at least cute? Or it wagging it&#039;s little behind like a doggie? 
But seriously..Devilsaurs..in my experience Devilsaurs are one of the best pets you can use from a whole list of pets that can deal ALOT of pet damage to a single target. But that&#039;s just because they don&#039;t have a DoT or rend ability that can damage one target while then going after another. In my personal opinion Spirit Beasts would be more fitting for PvP, mainly for the Moonfire-like-ness.

 But to be honest, when people asked Blizzard to give more pet family models to the Spirit Beast tree..I was not expecting them not changing the abilities at all. You know how Bite, Claw, and Smack are still the same ability, just with a different name to make it more realistic to the Beast? Same thing with Cats and Spirit Beasts. The only difference I can tell between Rake and SS is that SS is a distant attack. Atleast give it maybe another extra bonus not just because you worked your butt off to find it and it should be worth it, but because every pet family has a differentn ability to benefit it in battle.

 Understand this. You may say &quot;Well, Raptor&#039;s Rend ability is like a Cat&#039;s rake&quot; Not only that, but it also has a chance to buff up the Raptor as well, while with Silithuds and Spiders, Venom Wep Spray actually deals damage to the target while also keeping it in place Spiders just shoot a web that keeps it in place. Not like I&#039;m saying Pin from a Crab doesn&#039;t do the same. But the Spider and the Crab are in different Pet Trees, so I&#039;m fine with at least something HELPFUL being different if I spot two family abilities having the same effect.

  With SSs and Cats being the same Tree, and having the same ability that basicly is the same when you look at what it does, I mean sure SS can be used from a distance..but I really only like ranged pet Abilities because they look cool to me. The only real useful ranged Pet Ability I can think of would be the Webs from Silithuds and Spiders again, because they hold the target in place. But when every single pet is a Melee for a Hunter, how is distant abilities other than those two really usefull besides getting the first strike when you&#039;d probably shoot at it first? Besides, another non-big difference is that it deals Arcane Damage. In PvP, who stacks resistance? The only time I&#039;d switch a SB is when I&#039;m facing something that resists Arcane. Even that is sort of a pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mania, I mean I understand Blizzard wants to add a Beast Model in every known pet family to the Spirit Beast Family, but if you keep it up where you&#8217;ll have the same abilities..I mean..I know a few Pet families like a Devilsaur can claw at something (Mainly being the size it is tamed) Could be able to slash at you with its claws on the toes. In fact it&#8217;s one of the attack animations of a Devilsaur. But when you&#8217;ve got a Dragonhawk or a Wind Serpent&#8230;where the heck are the claws or talons? There are only a few Models I think just won&#8217;t look right being SS. (Mainly me being an Animal Lover/Observer =P)</p>
<p>  @Naturae Silithuds are cute in their own way. You don&#8217;t think that little slight dance isn&#8217;t at least cute? Or it wagging it&#8217;s little behind like a doggie?<br />
But seriously..Devilsaurs..in my experience Devilsaurs are one of the best pets you can use from a whole list of pets that can deal ALOT of pet damage to a single target. But that&#8217;s just because they don&#8217;t have a DoT or rend ability that can damage one target while then going after another. In my personal opinion Spirit Beasts would be more fitting for PvP, mainly for the Moonfire-like-ness.</p>
<p> But to be honest, when people asked Blizzard to give more pet family models to the Spirit Beast tree..I was not expecting them not changing the abilities at all. You know how Bite, Claw, and Smack are still the same ability, just with a different name to make it more realistic to the Beast? Same thing with Cats and Spirit Beasts. The only difference I can tell between Rake and SS is that SS is a distant attack. Atleast give it maybe another extra bonus not just because you worked your butt off to find it and it should be worth it, but because every pet family has a differentn ability to benefit it in battle.</p>
<p> Understand this. You may say &#8220;Well, Raptor&#8217;s Rend ability is like a Cat&#8217;s rake&#8221; Not only that, but it also has a chance to buff up the Raptor as well, while with Silithuds and Spiders, Venom Wep Spray actually deals damage to the target while also keeping it in place Spiders just shoot a web that keeps it in place. Not like I&#8217;m saying Pin from a Crab doesn&#8217;t do the same. But the Spider and the Crab are in different Pet Trees, so I&#8217;m fine with at least something HELPFUL being different if I spot two family abilities having the same effect.</p>
<p>  With SSs and Cats being the same Tree, and having the same ability that basicly is the same when you look at what it does, I mean sure SS can be used from a distance..but I really only like ranged pet Abilities because they look cool to me. The only real useful ranged Pet Ability I can think of would be the Webs from Silithuds and Spiders again, because they hold the target in place. But when every single pet is a Melee for a Hunter, how is distant abilities other than those two really usefull besides getting the first strike when you&#8217;d probably shoot at it first? Besides, another non-big difference is that it deals Arcane Damage. In PvP, who stacks resistance? The only time I&#8217;d switch a SB is when I&#8217;m facing something that resists Arcane. Even that is sort of a pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Naturae</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48194</link>
		<dc:creator>Naturae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silithids are so NOT cute. Lol...they&#039;re bugs and bugs are icky. And in the game-world, pretty smart. Your theory is kind of making sense Gim. The Devilsaur portrays T-rex, a species of dinosaur which is already &quot;extinct.&quot; Mechanically, it&#039;s dumb as a door-nail. It is most useful on a fight where there is no extended down-time or switching targets. &quot;Simple-minded.&quot; But then in this situation, and only in this situation is when a Spirit Beast can come in and out-dps a devilsaur on a boss fight. As BM, switching between these 2 pets (which next patch can be done every 5 minutes) would probably show you good results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silithids are so NOT cute. Lol&#8230;they&#8217;re bugs and bugs are icky. And in the game-world, pretty smart. Your theory is kind of making sense Gim. The Devilsaur portrays T-rex, a species of dinosaur which is already &#8220;extinct.&#8221; Mechanically, it&#8217;s dumb as a door-nail. It is most useful on a fight where there is no extended down-time or switching targets. &#8220;Simple-minded.&#8221; But then in this situation, and only in this situation is when a Spirit Beast can come in and out-dps a devilsaur on a boss fight. As BM, switching between these 2 pets (which next patch can be done every 5 minutes) would probably show you good results.</p>
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		<title>By: Comett</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48175</link>
		<dc:creator>Comett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but my cat is more intelligent than a grasshopper.  Hands down.  Therefore, Gimlion, as much as I adore silthids*, I wouldn&#039;t accept that they&#039;re smarter than my cat. XD;

*Am I the only one?  My boyfriend thinks I&#039;m insane.  I hate all bugs in real life, but silthids are socute. :3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but my cat is more intelligent than a grasshopper.  Hands down.  Therefore, Gimlion, as much as I adore silthids*, I wouldn&#8217;t accept that they&#8217;re smarter than my cat. XD;</p>
<p>*Am I the only one?  My boyfriend thinks I&#8217;m insane.  I hate all bugs in real life, but silthids are socute. :3</p>
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		<title>By: Gimlion</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48169</link>
		<dc:creator>Gimlion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite what the word &#039;Exotic&#039; actually means, I personally believe the Exotic pets are put as that because they show more intelligence and sentience than other beasts. The only exceptions are Raptors and Wolves because both Raptors and Canines are known to be very intelligent animals. But the Silithids, they once had an entire empire to themselves, ruled greatly. And the Chimaeras are KNOWN to have near human intelligence, as with most of those &#039;flying&#039; beasties like Gryphons and Hypogryphs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite what the word &#8216;Exotic&#8217; actually means, I personally believe the Exotic pets are put as that because they show more intelligence and sentience than other beasts. The only exceptions are Raptors and Wolves because both Raptors and Canines are known to be very intelligent animals. But the Silithids, they once had an entire empire to themselves, ruled greatly. And the Chimaeras are KNOWN to have near human intelligence, as with most of those &#8216;flying&#8217; beasties like Gryphons and Hypogryphs.</p>
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		<title>By: moljar</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48164</link>
		<dc:creator>moljar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mania u realy r on to somthing except the taking away the SBs personaly i thnk that they are one of the best pet famlies in the game. but the removing exotics could work but only certen pets like the hard to fing ones like devalsaurs but cheimeras in my opinion should be normal i mean u can find them in soliten (the place next to the barrens i just cant spell it lol) and it just pisses me off that there all around azeroth (the world) and there exotic since i dont have the time to level my hunter to 60 and then get him to the level to acuctly get the chemira i think they should just take them out of the exotic and put in something like... well nothing comes to mind at the time but u know what i mean some thing thats harder to find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mania u realy r on to somthing except the taking away the SBs personaly i thnk that they are one of the best pet famlies in the game. but the removing exotics could work but only certen pets like the hard to fing ones like devalsaurs but cheimeras in my opinion should be normal i mean u can find them in soliten (the place next to the barrens i just cant spell it lol) and it just pisses me off that there all around azeroth (the world) and there exotic since i dont have the time to level my hunter to 60 and then get him to the level to acuctly get the chemira i think they should just take them out of the exotic and put in something like&#8230; well nothing comes to mind at the time but u know what i mean some thing thats harder to find.</p>
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		<title>By: Naturae</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48161</link>
		<dc:creator>Naturae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a solution. Blizzard needs to get off their lazy arses and fix the hunter class. BM is SUPPOSED to be reliant on the pet and if there are two pets out at once, blizzard HAS the man-power and money to come up with a solution. Never before, for any class, has blizzard just said &quot;Here, have a free 10% more damage&quot; and they only did that because IT SUCKS. BM is weak. Even in PVP either of the other specs have way more survivability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a solution. Blizzard needs to get off their lazy arses and fix the hunter class. BM is SUPPOSED to be reliant on the pet and if there are two pets out at once, blizzard HAS the man-power and money to come up with a solution. Never before, for any class, has blizzard just said &#8220;Here, have a free 10% more damage&#8221; and they only did that because IT SUCKS. BM is weak. Even in PVP either of the other specs have way more survivability.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/comment-page-4/#comment-48160</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BM doesn&#039;t suck Naturae, you just have to work your rear off to make it efficent, and to have two pets for an extended time? Even Shaman can only do that once every two minutes. To have a permanent pet situation like that, the pets would be glass canons. And how would that work? TBW and Mend Pet? If one is dead, what, is it suddenly invalid to use tbw? If one is los does it not cast? If one dies can you use Rezz pet, or do you have to wait for both to be dead?

And how would you feed pets if you had to feed?

This causes more problems, no solutions, and still forces BM to be so heavily dependant upon the pet it is not funny.

And no- no standardizing exotics into tameable species for all, UNLESS a VIABLE and a GOOD solution is given to BM.

So no it&#039;s not a win-win situation :/

Tho, whoo canse I can make BM work. Pulled off 2.4-3.3k dps overall the last few days in dungeon runs.

Something needs to be done about pet damage. Mend Pet NEEDs to stack, I&#039;m still finding Jareth taking a massive amount of damage when I even glance away from his portrait a moment to spampew my rotations.

Also seems warlocks are suffering the same &#039;go xx specc and never look back&#039;. Got told to specc destro.

But atleast I wasn&#039;t &#039;ridiculed&#039; like I was on Ryai t_t cause you know, the game is all about your dps. Not fun. DPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BM doesn&#8217;t suck Naturae, you just have to work your rear off to make it efficent, and to have two pets for an extended time? Even Shaman can only do that once every two minutes. To have a permanent pet situation like that, the pets would be glass canons. And how would that work? TBW and Mend Pet? If one is dead, what, is it suddenly invalid to use tbw? If one is los does it not cast? If one dies can you use Rezz pet, or do you have to wait for both to be dead?</p>
<p>And how would you feed pets if you had to feed?</p>
<p>This causes more problems, no solutions, and still forces BM to be so heavily dependant upon the pet it is not funny.</p>
<p>And no- no standardizing exotics into tameable species for all, UNLESS a VIABLE and a GOOD solution is given to BM.</p>
<p>So no it&#8217;s not a win-win situation :/</p>
<p>Tho, whoo canse I can make BM work. Pulled off 2.4-3.3k dps overall the last few days in dungeon runs.</p>
<p>Something needs to be done about pet damage. Mend Pet NEEDs to stack, I&#8217;m still finding Jareth taking a massive amount of damage when I even glance away from his portrait a moment to spampew my rotations.</p>
<p>Also seems warlocks are suffering the same &#8216;go xx specc and never look back&#8217;. Got told to specc destro.</p>
<p>But atleast I wasn&#8217;t &#8216;ridiculed&#8217; like I was on Ryai t_t cause you know, the game is all about your dps. Not fun. DPS.</p>
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