PTR 3.3: Arcturis the New Spirit Beast

Arcturis the Spirit BearThanks to safrienaer, we now have a lot more information on the ‘spectral bear‘ — the potential new Spirit Beast that showed up in the Patch 3.3 data files a few builds back.

His name is Arcturius. He is, indeed, a Spirit Beast — complete with all the Spirit Beast skill, including Prowl. Like other Spirit Beasts, he is a non-aggressive rare elite. Unlike them, he’s only level 74.

Hunter safrienaer tamed him in Grizzly Hills just north of Amberpine Lodge — you can find a map and more pictures on the forum post. safrienaer also notes that:

As of now he doesn’t have any special sound effects – he sounds just like any other bear.

But we probably have many builds left before Patch 3.3 is ready for prime time, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with unique sounds and possibly some more glowy effects as well.

We’ll have to keep a careful eye on this bear!

[edit] More great pics from nobbie at WorldofWar.de: just follow the Gallery link at the bottom of the Arcturis post and scroll down.

[edit] And because I think it’s very cool, I’m reposting info that Jangalian dug up:

Side note – thought his name looked hella familiar, so I put it into Wiki. Here’s the first answer it gave me…

Arcturus (α Boo / α Boötis / Alpha Boötis) is the brightest star in the constellation Boötes. With a visual magnitude of −0.05, it is also the third brightest star in the night sky, after Sirius and Canopus. It is, however, fainter than the combined light of the two main components of Alpha Centauri, which are too close together for the eye to resolve as separate sources of light, making Arcturus appear to be the fourth brightest. It is the second brightest star visible from northern latitudes and the brightest star in the northern celestial hemisphere. The star is in the Local Interstellar Cloud.

An easy way to find Arcturus is to follow the arc of the handle of the Plough. By continuing in this path, one can find Spica (α Virginis) as well—hence the maxim, “Arc to Arcturus, then speed on to Spica.”

Other uses include the following –

  • Arcturus, a star known for its brightness.
  • Arcturus in works of fiction, for fictional references to the star
  • Arcturus (planet)
  • Arcturus (band), an avant-garde Norwegian metal band.
  • Arcturus (steamship), a passenger ship of the Finland Steamship Company.
  • Arcturus, Zimbabwe, a village in the province of Mashonaland East, Zimbabwe.
  • Arcturus Mengsk, the leader of the Sons of Korhal and later Emperor of the Terran Dominion in the StarCraft computer game series.
  • Project Arcturus, a failed Ancient power-source project in the Stargate Atlantis television series.
  • Arcturus Group, a consultancy based in Brussels

=) Just FYI. And yeah, I know wiki changed the name, but there were no results for the original spelling. That’s the closest I could get.

291 thoughts on “PTR 3.3: Arcturis the New Spirit Beast

  1. Jangalian

    Btw, someone asked if you can see his face through his butt, and no, you can’t. I’ll post pics when I get home again. Blizz kindly realized our plight of not knowing which way the pet is facing, and hide the ‘face’ pixels from the back side. You can only see the shape of his ears. ^-^

    Locutus, I’m so sorry, I’m functionally brain dead in the morning. If I had read one post up, I’d have realized you already got him. Congrats!

  2. Jangalian

    @Mitsuhide

    I have said this same thing REPEATEDLY at every single hunter questionnaire that Blizz tosses out. What do BM hunters want? Armor. We are sending our PETS, our dps-boosters, into battle with very fatal consequences. Even if they only gave us a few choices of armor, like spiked collars or face plates, as long as those items gives us a boost in stats it would be fantastic. They could like, just even make a few textures, like one or two collars, and test the waters with it.

    Armor could give us more stam, or armor, or +healing to our mend pet…armor could act like a pet glyph.

  3. Palladiamors

    Jang is right, hunters have been asking for armor or accessories for pets for years. At this point I don’t even care about looks, just stats. It doesn’t have to change our pets looks in anyway, just give’em a boost.

  4. Jangalian

    Bad idea. Bad, bad, HORRIBLE idea. If this affect how loot would drop, hunters would be forever barred from all instances. Unless the pet gear drops wouldn’t affect the normal loot table drop….can you see the reaction the group would have if the hunter got gear for both us, AND our pets?

    It would be okay if it was JUST craftable, then no one could cry about hunters getting more gear than normal.

  5. Rask

    I see all this as nothing but silliness. Why?

    1 Some time ago (can’t remember atm the exact month) this year, a Blizzard spokesman (Ghostcrawler) made a statement, that is short, basically said that the reason they had or were at the time restructuring the hunter talent trees was because ” They did not like seeing everyone gravitating to the one BM tree (which until then, the majority of people were doing just that). That Blizzard wanted to see a more diverse amount of hunter players! So what did they do? Well as some may remember, players quickly learned that it was then the survival tree that was the new cats meow in raids that would give a player the most dps. All of a sudden the internet was full of all kinds of advise on how to re- talent your hunter into the survival tree. Now the point I’m getting to is… that in both the Marksman tree and the survival tree you cannot have an exotic pet. The ONLY way you can use or even train an exotic, is if you have 51 points into the Beast Mastery talents. And anyone who raids or pvps knows that the beast mastery tree isn’t worth a hoot for either.

    Heck, in my opinion, Beast Mastery isn’t worth a hoot even with an exotic pet while doing many of the end game quests or just the heroic instances. The dps sucks in the beast mastery tree period even if you have decent gear. You as a beast Mastery Instance helper are a hindrance and I for one, will not go into a heroic with any hunter in beast mastery. Exotic pet or not!

    What I’d like to see (since Blizzard has pretty much lost their collective minds these days) is for all hunters to be able to use an exotic, not just the low dps BM tree hunters. Sure you look cool and get your boasting rights for taking the time to go find and train the exotic, out outside of that! you aren’t’ worthy for end game, and lets face it! Blizzard is and has already gravitated the game for end game.

    We hunters are pretty much disliked by other people because they think the hunter has an advantage over them. But those people have never played a hunter that think this either. Yes, I admit that there are certain places in the game the hunter has it easier then lets say a frost mage of the same level, but in end came you as a hunter better have your skills and thinking cap on if you think you’re going to be able to out dps that same mage.

    I play one of each class offered by Blizzard, 6 of those are 80s atm and am working on my 7th to be 80 in 10 more levels. But my heart is with my hunter. Yet at present, I am like most others, in that I am speced into the MM tree and use the wolf as my pet. And yes, at present, I routinely out dps those who have stayed in the survival tree, and in both those specs, I will always out dps the BM hunter even if they have a 2100 gear rating with some t-8 and t-9 gear on. In the end, all Blizzard has managed to do was to cause everyone to now gravitate to the MM tree and use one type of pet ( the wolf) if they want the best dps in endgame raids.

    So while this new bear is cool looking, it’ll never do me or others like me (end game players) any good to go spend 1k gold to get duel spec, just so I can go get an exotic to be cool looking, since that’s all I’ll be good for if I do that.
    All trees should be able to use an exotic in my opinion and not be hindered if they do so like it is now.

    But I suppose if Blizzard were to do that, along with letting a hunter be able to train whatever flying mount they wanted and many of the other wants of hunters, then it might just be, that no one would want to play any other class, because being a hunter would be the coolest toon in the game. But as a hunter atm I am not the highest dpser in raids. I get beat out often by the mage, priest and druid of the same gear quality. So I’d say the hunter is the middle dps class while it to me is a toss up between the other three classes. I see those classes consistently out dpsing the DKs, hunters, paladins and warriors. I know my mage and priest will smoke a hunter in dps, even my hunter. But I do like my hunter the best. I do have it duel spec, but not into the bm tree. It’s mm and surv simply because having speced into the BM tree and having an exotic proved to me that while I may look gool with the glowing beast at my side, I’m of no help to the raid party over all.

  6. Jangalian

    @Rask

    Silliness? Me and another hunter in my guild are, and have remained, beast mastery. Sure, the internet guides recommend the flavor of the month, but with the right gear and a large dose of craftiness, BM can out dps its sister trees.

    SV and MM can crank out the dps with min-numbing efficiency, but you have to use your skills to be a good beast master.

  7. Rikaku

    Rask:
    “The dps sucks in the beast mastery tree period even if you have decent gear. You as a beast Mastery Instance helper are a hindrance and I for one, will not go into a heroic with any hunter in beast mastery. Exotic pet or not!”

    I’m going to say this as polietly as I can, but if you think BM can not do DPS and is “a hinderance”, then obviously you are not dealing with good BM hunters. Simply put. I have raided as BM. I have instanced and PvP’d as BM and you know what? 80% of the time, I beat other Hunters regardless of their spec USING a Spirit Beast, don’t get me started on how hard I can beat them with a Wolf.

    “All trees should be able to use an exotic in my opinion and not be hindered if they do so like it is now. ”

    No. Why does this argument always come up when there’s a new SPIRIT BEAST? I never see anyone tote this argument around when “Oh hey look a rare devilsaur!”. I never saw the “exotics for all specs” argument when King Krush was first found. And you know what? Devilsaurs are the king of dps, so if anything, SV and MM’s should be slamming for Devilsaurs and not SB’s.

    “I do have it duel spec, but not into the bm tree. It’s mm and surv simply because having speced into the BM tree and having an exotic proved to me that while I may look gool with the glowing beast at my side, I’m of no help to the raid party over all.”

    It’s not like your other Paladin can stop using Ret Aura in favor of something else right? I mean really, when I raid with other hunters, I bring Ferocious Inspiration in which allows a Pally to use a different Aura should they desire, or if they die there is still a damage increasing aura being passed around.

    Anyone saying BM doesn’t bring something to a raid obviously doesn’t think outside the box. I’m sorry, but that’s how it seems.

    Now I’m not saying you have to be BM, but if you don’t want to play it, fine. But don’t use your justifications for it in such a sense as if it were the bible of Hunters.

    Not all BMs are hindrances.

    About the armor talk:
    Maybe I’m the only hunter, but I would hate hate HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE having armor for my pets. Absolutely hate it.

    One: Obtaining it. Yay, more gear for me to compete with the other Hunters over @_@
    Two: I’m sure it’d make a gap of certain pets better than other pets even bigger.
    Three: (on the cosmetic argument) My wolf tears faces off, he doesn’t need to look pretty while doing it.
    Four: Blizzard can’t even get their minds straight about pet-scaling and Hunter itemization, Keep them away from Fluffy please.

  8. Jangalian

    @Rikaku

    “One: Obtaining it. Yay, more gear for me to compete with the other Hunters over @_@
    Two: I’m sure it’d make a gap of certain pets better than other pets even bigger.
    Three: (on the cosmetic argument) My wolf tears faces off, he doesn’t need to look pretty while doing it.
    Four: Blizzard can’t even get their minds straight about pet-scaling and Hunter itemization, Keep them away from Fluffy please.”

    Aaall valid reasons, but my reason is that I want a trex with a fricken lazer beam on its head. >D

  9. Palladiamors

    I had something to say, but Rikaku beat me to it….I will add, however, that beast master tends to be better for moving fights in PvP, due to half of your damage coming from a pet who can move and attack at the same time. Also Spirit strike is surprisingly effective thanks to it being a two stage ranged attack. Though I have to tell you it is much more amusing and satisfying to see a devilsaur eating people in PvP…..

    And you are right, Rikaku, of course. Blizzard hasn’t gotten stat’s balanced out for this entire expansion……I think I’d hate the resulting stats off of pet armor more then like them.

    One of my big wishes, and this is overall, for all of my classes, is for damage output and healing to both be lowered. Both were set way to high for Wrath, both in PvP and PvE.

  10. Shadowkaizen

    I raid as BM and I can assure you that my guild finds my presence very helpful. -.-

    I belive that if you take time to check out BM and really put some hard work into the spec you will be plesantly surprised by the damage you can do. Im not trying to toot my own horn so to speak but I have been complimented on my damage several times from people who belived what everyone is preaching atm, “BM Sucks.”

    /Hugs Volkanas and gives the evil eye

    lol

  11. Rask

    Lol, Well You come out dps me Rikaku in either of my duel spec trees and I for one, will certainly recant. But that simply will not happen at preset, EVER!

    How do I know! I’ve worked every tree of my hunters!

    And BM doesn’t bring a thing worthwhile into a raid. Oh sure, there are BM hunters attempting to play end game and do so everyday, but those that do, generally do belong to a guild of friends. But no decent grp of pugs is going to want a BM hunter especially if, either a mm or surv hunter is available.

    However, I still think that all trees should be able to use exotics. Otherwise nothing is going to happen unless Blizzard gets off thier high horse and gets BM a lil closer to equal to the other specs. Or at the very least make it to where actually having an exotic is truely benificial for a raid party. Right now it simply is not. Or at least not enough to think, well the bm hunter can’t dps so we’re going to have to make up for that loss,but wait! that’s okay, because they have an exotic and it will proc heroism big time for us! But that isn’t the case right now. Exotics bring lilttle to make up for the loss of BM dps that is well needed in most of the end game raids.

    No exotic yet, that I have seen or have been into grp with, does enough for raid grps to warrent the bm tree atm. That is my opinion and until I have a BM hunter of same gear level as mine that can out dps me (it won’t happen), I’ll stay to that opinion.

    The bear too is a cool looking and good for bragging and boasting rights though. But that is all it is right now like all of them are.

    Yes it’s repeted and will continue to be repeted until Blizzard does more than just makes em cool looking.

  12. Ryai

    Rask. Rikaku has already out DPS’d you.

    You want to know how she’s already out dps’d you? Because you admit you never group with a BM hunter ever.

    So if you never show up- your dps never counts.

  13. Rask

    Ryai I’ve never been anywhere near you , But I do see who the troll really is here. And no sir, you won’t out do me in any tree, I can say that without ever having been around you, just by going your words here.

    This is about an exotic pet that at present is cool looking but still doesn’t show to be anything but that. Not about some personal vendetta you have towards any individual be it me or anyone else. Get with the program yourself troll.

  14. Taedoran

    Any news about Arcturis in the last build? i wonder if he still sounds like any regular bear or if they made some spirit-beast-like sounds for him.

  15. Rikaku

    Rask:
    You’re more than welcome to challenge me on Muradin, but as Ryai pointed out, you don’t group with BM’s, so honestly where do you get off thinking “It won’t matter, I’ll beat you”?

    At least with other people I’ve debated with, they’ve brought up facts or screenshots to boast about, but you have done neither.

    You don’t even acknowledge the fact that I brought up about what BM do bring to the table, but apparently you’re so wrapped up in your “my paladin must use ret-aura only” thoughts that you don’t think outside the box.

    Cause apparently 5.2k+ DPS brought to a raid by a BM is worthless right? Of course of course. Whatever was I thinking? Guess my guild and the other guilds of my friends are insane for wanting a BM, SV and MM hunters in their raids.

    And please, please elaborate to me how exotics being available to all Hunters helps BM get more competitive. I mean, you keep saying it so *obviously* it must be true right? Lets see, give a Devilsaur to a SV and… omg get this, against a BM Hunter with a devilsaur they’d still be…the same distance apart.

    Yeah, that totally fixed BM alright.

    And Blizzard is getting off their lazy ass. They have already stated that pets will scale with gear. That alone, giving BM’s the ability to stack AGI and not just solid AP will help get them even more in the running.

    If you want to QQ more over Exotics, go ahead. But that is all you are doing Rask. Being whiny over the whole exotic deal and not addressing any issue whatsoever that others have brought up as a counter-argument.

    And I’m done with you.

  16. Ryai

    Rask: You’re the one who basically came here saying BM is worthless/useless/the worst tree ever, etc, etc etc.

    To quote.

    ‘All of a sudden the internet was full of all kinds of advise on how to re- talent your hunter into the survival tree. Now the point I’m getting to is… that in both the Marksman tree and the survival tree you cannot have an exotic pet. The ONLY way you can use or even train an exotic, is if you have 51 points into the Beast Mastery talents. And anyone who raids or pvps knows that the beast mastery tree isn’t worth a hoot for either.’

    ‘Heck, in my opinion, Beast Mastery isn’t worth a hoot even with an exotic pet while doing many of the end game quests or just the heroic instances. The dps sucks in the beast mastery tree period even if you have decent gear. You as a beast Mastery Instance helper are a hindrance and I for one, will not go into a heroic with any hunter in beast mastery. Exotic pet or not!’

    All you sound like is someone who’s been, going out on a limb and using this term but I’ve seen it used recently in cases with people as such as yourself, so, you are acting butthurt because Blizzard introduced a pet you can not use- ignore the fact you have 80+ to choose from as MM/SV or the fact you don’t have to use a pet at all really to increase your dps like a BM hunter does.

    Then there’s the fact you admited you openly snub and are a snob to BM hunters, because they ‘bring nothing’ to a raid and because ‘they are worthless dps’ in your opinion basically.

    HM.

    WASN’T SV LIKE THAT IN TBC. Mean I heard that having more than one SV hunter was useless.

    Wow.

    But did I go and call people speccing SV or MM useless? Nooooooooooooooooooo.

    I also didn’t go ‘oh lul ur not bm so Ima not gonna group with you kk thx bye’.

    We know, BM has it’s downside. We KNOW it could be better. But instead of going out and attacking others, like you have attacked BM/people who play it, with your less than witty words, we’ve learned to adapt, to change rotations, trees or pets.

    Or heaven forbid maybe we’re BM not because we want to be the best or worst, but because we like the tree. I mean heaven forbid some people actually play wow to have fun.

    I don’t grief the hard cores or the raiders or the pvpers, aslong as they don’t grief me or my specc.

  17. Ryai

    Ignoring Rask now: Rikaku, do you pull off 5k buffed or unbuffed? As Ryai’s pulling off 1.5kish unbuffed [outside of AotD] and between 2~3k when buffed right.

    I just want to know so I know if I’m really ready to advance past ToC 5man, once I get the purplez from there.

  18. Palladiamors

    Rask I am afraid you picked a fight with the wrong person, or people as it were. Ryai is well loved and respected here, and she does not like it when people bash her spec. It doesn’t help that you are totally wrong in calling BM worthless, either. A few hundred DPS behind SV or MM does NOT equal worthless, thank you. Though I suppose to some one like you who never learned to control your pet properly it would be more then that, eh?

    I am going to ask that you try to refrain from insulting anyone else either by proxy or directly, and I ask that Ryai, you do the same. You have your opinion Rask, and that’s great, but don’t try to force it off onto other people, and don’t insinuate that others are lesser players for picking a spec that they enjoy.

  19. Ryai

    I backed off, you don’t need to scold me Palla 8D

    you missed your chance!

    and well it was less bashing my specc and more bashing those who use it and those who I know here use it.

    And how I advised Aria and her mum to use it- atleast for leveling as it is easy to level for beginners.

    *cough*

    I remember when I used strength items and melee’d, oh man.

  20. Palladiamors

    I know, I know, I was making sure! I didn’t want to be biased there. I would have told Rikaku, but she might have hit me…..

    And I KNOW, I totally missed out on it. Bah. Still and all, let’s try to keep the war to as minimum as possible if we can.

  21. Rikaku

    Ryai: 5.2k buffed in 25 mans (and that’s counting food and a pretty decent fight. All fights are different but my average is around 4.5k ish total on raids (there’s so many factors into raiding in any spec, that it varies between time/day/fight/who’s buffing who/ etc etc ;)

    Unbuffed I pull about 3.2-3.8k dps depending on which pet I use. Except I do use AotD for my testing. My gear is mostly Conqueror/Windrunner gear with some misc. Ulduar gear.

  22. Jangalian

    Don’t feed the troll. He’ll start charging a bridge-crossing fee. =D

    Besides, it’s probably just sour grapes on his part, most likely from not being able to even FIND a spirit beast. Pfft. /waves hand

  23. Ryai

    Rikaku: Ee Dx I have a ways to go then for that sort of DPS, still got HC drops from uk/uc/an/vh/yada yada yada…

    my server seriously needs to be less elite for linking damn achivements.

    Guess I’ll have to get off my cow butt and start doing dal cooking dailies and the daily HC again.

    Palla: Wut, Rikaku? She’s our innocent harmless friend :d really.

    Really.

    Srsly.

    And I know and I’ll try but you know how Trolls are, they get people most of the time. Their rage inducing gets the best of us Dx

  24. Rikaku

    Ryai:
    I’m as innocent as the day I was born. >=D

    I wouldn’t worry too much about your DPS if you’re still gathering Heroic gear. I’d say just go for the normal ToC drops. Normal ToC drops stuff that surpasses most Heroic epics honestly. Once you’re decked out in that, go for the H-ToC.

    And I hate achievement linking. I find it incredibly stupid. I remember chewing out a few people like 2 days after Koralon came out because they wanted people to link 10m Koralon achievement to get into the 25m. I was like “really? In 48 hours you’re already demanding people to know this fight and have the achievement?” Seriously, give people a chance to learn.

    And I have to try too, but as Ryai said….they get to the best of us XD

  25. Rask

    Rikaku you claim that dps, but you neither have shown proof, so try again. And if you are doing that kind of dps, then you missed the whole thing, simply because if you really do that kind of dps, then you are in full t-10.5 gear, not 2100 gear rating gear. And what! Do you really think I haven’t tried (for quite some time) the BM tree and got the exotics and used them! Do you really think I just out of no where, came into here without having fully experienced the abilities and inabilities of the hunter just to downgrade others that are BM!

    If you do, then sorry, but you too missed the points I was making.

    I make a choice in the game as to how I play it, just like everyone else does, and in that choice, I also choose to not go into instances with bm hunters of my same level and gear rating, simply because they DO NOT bring the dps or even an exotic pet buff useful enough. Not yet anyway. That is my choice as is it is yours to play the game the way you like.

    The point was not about downgrading anything or one but Blizzard! And that point is a valid thing atm. They have juggled and nurfed the hunter so many times, then they bring em back up, that as a hunter (and not saying they haven’t done this with just about every class) we all should feel like the end of a yoyo. This new pet isn’t anything great for a hunter any more than anything else they have done recently to the hunter. Yes, there are some things that are better, but over all, nope.

    I don’t’ like the BM tree as is my right and choice not to like and there are valid reasons for it. I play this game everyday. Have spent countless hours in the trees, and reading everything I can, in order to get the most out of each of my classes I play. WHY! Because heaven forbid! I too have fun playing the game. And heaven forbid I have a differing opinion than the masses here. That alone, could also mean I do think out of the box. Imagine that! It’s not my fault most of you take the typed word as a personal thing rather than to see the very true and valid points made. You don’t’ have to come off with numbers of making sure your hit rating is at 8% or you have a bare min of a 540 base defense on a tank at least to be able to say. Blizz needs to pull it together, of which I have been saying.

    And no you don’t need any more skills to play BM then you do any other tree! It’s different yes, but that’s it. It’s all just hitting the right keys at the right moment, and for hunters, knowing when and where to control your pet ( can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen hunters cause a wipe just because they didn’t know) and that takes some practice to get it and the timing right, but hardly much skill is involved with the normal human being to be able to punch numbered keys on a keyboard or click a computer mouse on an icon. It’s not a skill to know that a screw generally loosens by turning it counter clockwise and tightens clockwise. But there is some skill in using the tools to do it with and even in that there is little skill needed to do so. What you do need however is knowledge of the way your class plays in wow and that is always on a learning curve since Blizz can’t leave well enough alone.

  26. Rikaku

    Rask:
    “Rikaku you claim that dps, but you neither have shown proof, so try again. And if you are doing that kind of dps, then you missed the whole thing, simply because if you really do that kind of dps, then you are in full t-10.5 gear, not 2100 gear rating gear.”

    You haven’t proven anything either. So your argument is null. My gear rating by the way, is 2604. Feel free to go to WoWhead anytime and challenge it.

    Also, I have played SV and MM. However, despite their better DPS, their type of playstyle does not warrant $15 a month from me. So do not mistakenly think I just go “Oh SV sucks, don’t play it.” I CHOOSE to not play it, and that is my right. Just as it is yours to choose to not play with BM. I don’t care about you not playing with BM, if I had my way, I wouldn’t ever group with DKs.

    “The point was not about downgrading anything or one but Blizzard!”
    Now see, the problem here is, you called BM a “hinderance” in raids. So you did, essentially, downgrade other players whether you meant to or not.

    “I don’t’ like the BM tree as is my right and choice not to like and there are valid reasons for it. I play this game everyday. Have spent countless hours in the trees, and reading everything I can, in order to get the most out of each of my classes I play. WHY! Because heaven forbid! I too have fun playing the game. And heaven forbid I have a differing opinion than the masses here. That alone, could also mean I do think out of the box. Imagine that! It’s not my fault most of you take the typed word as a personal thing rather than to see the very true and valid points made.”

    No one here has said anything against your playstyle. No one here has said “wow, why won’t you group with BM’s, you better group with BM!” The only reason players like Ryai and myself called you out on that was because you decided to call us “hinderances”. So….yeah that’s pretty self-explanatory.

    But my problem is, is that you state “than to see the very true and valid points made”.

    What valid points did you make? That a BM hunter in the same tier of gear as an SV hunter will lose? If they’re both as skilled, then yeah. But, we already knew that, that’s old news and yet no one cares. Alot of people are still BM. You claim that we’re a hinderance to raids.

    Show me! Give me examples of how thats true. I’m not demanding a screenshot, but give me an example of why. You mentioned a few reasons in your first arguement and they were countered. Counter me back; even now you haven’t stated a reason why BM is such a bad terrible spec that it *hinders* your raid.

  27. Palladiamors

    Rask, it isn’t about having different opinions. That’s all good and fine, we encourage that here. It’s when you ram it down others peoples throats, and insist that our spec is worthless and doesn’t bring anything to runs that pisses us off. And believe me, it has pissed us off. We don’t proclaim that BM takes some amazing amount of skill to play. In truth it takes the same amount of concentration as any other pet class. But that goes for your beloved MM and SV as well.

    You don’t like BM. That’s great, fine, as you said heaven forbid you be different. But you don’t come here and tell us that our spec is basically crap and then expect us to not respond to it. You’ll either show more respect to the posters here, or you’ll be shown the door. Take your pick, but don’t rile us up anymore.

    Rikaku? Harmless? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…ha…..ha…oh….you were trying to be serious….

  28. Ryai

    Nuh Rikaku, ignore it, ignore the Troll.

    Shun it, shuuun the non beliver Rikaku, shuuuun

    /charlie teh unicorn reference

    Tho you do bring up another point Rikaku, I didn’t feel comfortable when I specced Ryai MM or SV, I just didn’t like the playstyle or the rotations, so I failed hard. But when I went back to how I originally played Ryai, I was able to do better than I had as SV or MM.

    So it’s not just speccs but your comfort zone also- and what’s more fun. And all that.

    Etc.

    @ Rask: Shoo please- or stop trying to incite fights.

  29. Shinryu Masaki

    My money is on Rask being Rilgon in disguise! If it’s not him then he has a twin brother out there he didn’t knew about! =O

  30. Palladiamors

    Nah Shinryu, if it were Rilgon then he’d have been bashing PvP right along with BM.

    And oh nothing, my halo-hoisted-by-horns dear. Nothing at all.

  31. Snowtiger

    I enjoy playing my BM hunter and do alot of raiding and pvp with him and Have no problems getting invites But I also have a SV hunter and yes I have alot of dps but i will never pass on plying with a BM hunter in raids or pvp Having played both for a long time I know my limits on both and playing my BM hunter have out dps the MM/SV hunters many times if you know how to play your spec and play it well then who cares? I like my exotics for my BM My Devilsaur rocks and my hunters all have wolves But like i said before when working with the wolf the FH buff is excellent and does major dps!! but if your trying to take down the target and it takes longer then the buff last then the wolf dps drops down below the cat or raptor and till the CD is over its a tough batte People play what they are comfortable with and theres nothing wrong with it.. If you like playing A MM spec more power to ya but dont put down a spec that you dont think puts out a DPS you do thats why we have choices ob how we hunters want to play

  32. Snowtiger

    Opps sorry was saying!!
    If you like playing MM more power to ya but dont put down a spec because you dont like there dps you think they are putting out well all spec the way we want to play and thats why they gave us the choices!! Man my brain needs a vacation work and homework is all i do lol

  33. Knightlander

    Sigh.. i’ve been reading all this and it gave me a good laugh, which i really REALLY needed today after the visit i had with the doc./ Like a schoolyard fight WITH bickering tossed in.

    Srsly folk, we all have our play style and enjoy it. ANY spec brings something to a raid. Yes i am a BM spec and have been since the day i hit 10. Over 2 yrs ago. I’ve seen the ups and downs of being both cheered and mocked as a BM hunter. I can handle all the instances i’ve gone into and come out enjoying myself. Lately i’ve done some Uld 10 and Naxx 25. No i’m not using an SB but i AM using a good pet. MY Sparkalot may die still, but she has shown her worth many times with Roar of Recovery and my shot rotation choice. Yes i can crit around 15k when buffed out good. But even though i’m not at the top of the charts. I’m being praised for being there when the MT AND OT have dropped and the boss is bout to wipe everyone and i can kite him those last couple of thousand points to drop him. No i’m not the best geared, but i use what i have to my full advantage and hopefull potential.

    So everyone, have a Coke and a smile, n PLAY FOR FUN!!

  34. Gimlion

    I’m just going to say this. IF you’re using top end gear Rask, then a good BM hunter will NOT have a gear score similar to you, if anything it will be lessened b/c he has to think about his stats b/c of poor scaling, Higher gear score pieces do very little to help with the DPS of a BM, and if anything hinders it BECAUSE of pet scaling, so Gear score does not always mean “UBER LEET NESS THAT MAKES ME GO BOOM!!” yeah, that’s about it

  35. Shadowkaizen

    I belive the best number I’ve cranked out so far was 5.8k but ima hit up my home girl and ask her cause she has the numbers.

    Yeah BM is my prefered raiding spec and I just like to have fun. I want to be competetive and still have fun…I didn’t think that was to much to ask. And as of friday of last week I had out DPS’ed everyone else in a 25 man as BM, a day that I have been looking forward to for a while.

    NOT that I am trying to show up others or that I want to be the “top dog” It was a personal goal I set for myself a while back and as of Oct 30th I finnaly hit that.

    I know there are others out there that could stomp me with 6.5K plus but for me be a sole BM raider who spends ALOT of time trying to prefect this lil hunter I was very happy indeed.

    So the moral of my little story is to set goals for yourself wether it be BM, SV or MM and HAVE FUN along the way! Enjoy Warcraft folks cuase thats why we pay for it!

  36. Palladiamors

    Thank you, Knyght. A few of us just got a bit upset that some one was calling our spec crap, we all apologize for the disturbance it caused.

    And something to keep in mind is that intelligence will always trump spec. ALWAYS. Show me a badly played SV and a well played BM and I’ll go with the BM. I’ll admit it’s been a long time since I lead instance groups or raid groups, but I did it then, and I’d keep doing it now. And the SV and BM example is just that, an example. It’d be the same with any other pure DPS class, and even hybrids with two damage specs. And that was back when the gaps were LARGER. It’s the same with healers, it’s the same with tanks. You take the person with a brain first. If it comes down to two equally intelligent person…..pick the one you like more. Trust me on that one, it’ll make your runs a lot more fun.

    But really, can we just drop the ‘this spec is better then that spec!’ crap? The heirarchy of damage has been decided upon, but better is a very relative term. When I specced survival, I did more damage, but to me it was not a better spec. Some people have the opposite problem. It’s just a matter of who you are, and how you play. Pick what you ENJOY. That is really something that I think a lot of people forget. It doesn’t mean jack if you feel forced, and that DPS meter should not be the only thing that matters in a run to you.

    Course on the flip side, use your head. If I, on my warlock, can keep three DoT’s up on three separate targets, keep a fourth target feared, WHILE keeping my succubus on a target to keep it seduced, ALL WITHOUT MODS, then any single person in WoW can keep a target marked, stung, and can correctly time their shots. It’s WoW, it isn’t hard.

  37. Shadowkaizen

    (Sorry for the double!)

    I think Mania will put it up once it hits live server…at least I think thats how she has done it in the past.

    If you would like to know more about him, hit up Mania’s Forums and look for the topic on him. :)

  38. Palladiamors

    *Chuckles* Zangor, you don’t come here much, do you? The topic at hand is not necessarily the topic to be discussed. And Mania will update Petopia either when she get’s the chance, or when the patch goes live, don’t worry. Mania is a very busy woman, especially of late, so try to have some patience.

  39. Rikaku

    Palla:
    “Course on the flip side, use your head. If I, on my warlock, can keep three DoT’s up on three separate targets, keep a fourth target feared, WHILE keeping my succubus on a target to keep it seduced, ALL WITHOUT MODS, then any single person in WoW can keep a target marked, stung, and can correctly time their shots. It’s WoW, it isn’t hard.”

    You are giving some players of WoW (not anyone here, just like some pugs I know) waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit. XD

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