PTR 3.3: Arcturis the New Spirit Beast
Thanks to safrienaer, we now have a lot more information on the ‘spectral bear‘ — the potential new Spirit Beast that showed up in the Patch 3.3 data files a few builds back.
His name is Arcturius. He is, indeed, a Spirit Beast — complete with all the Spirit Beast skill, including Prowl. Like other Spirit Beasts, he is a non-aggressive rare elite. Unlike them, he’s only level 74.
Hunter safrienaer tamed him in Grizzly Hills just north of Amberpine Lodge — you can find a map and more pictures on the forum post. safrienaer also notes that:
As of now he doesn’t have any special sound effects – he sounds just like any other bear.
But we probably have many builds left before Patch 3.3 is ready for prime time, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with unique sounds and possibly some more glowy effects as well.
We’ll have to keep a careful eye on this bear!
[edit] More great pics from nobbie at WorldofWar.de: just follow the Gallery link at the bottom of the Arcturis post and scroll down.
[edit] And because I think it’s very cool, I’m reposting info that Jangalian dug up:
Side note – thought his name looked hella familiar, so I put it into Wiki. Here’s the first answer it gave me…
Arcturus (α Boo / α Boötis / Alpha Boötis) is the brightest star in the constellation Boötes. With a visual magnitude of −0.05, it is also the third brightest star in the night sky, after Sirius and Canopus. It is, however, fainter than the combined light of the two main components of Alpha Centauri, which are too close together for the eye to resolve as separate sources of light, making Arcturus appear to be the fourth brightest. It is the second brightest star visible from northern latitudes and the brightest star in the northern celestial hemisphere. The star is in the Local Interstellar Cloud.
An easy way to find Arcturus is to follow the arc of the handle of the Plough. By continuing in this path, one can find Spica (α Virginis) as well—hence the maxim, “Arc to Arcturus, then speed on to Spica.”
Other uses include the following –
- Arcturus, a star known for its brightness.
- Arcturus in works of fiction, for fictional references to the star
- Arcturus (planet)
- Arcturus (band), an avant-garde Norwegian metal band.
- Arcturus (steamship), a passenger ship of the Finland Steamship Company.
- Arcturus, Zimbabwe, a village in the province of Mashonaland East, Zimbabwe.
- Arcturus Mengsk, the leader of the Sons of Korhal and later Emperor of the Terran Dominion in the StarCraft computer game series.
- Project Arcturus, a failed Ancient power-source project in the Stargate Atlantis television series.
- Arcturus Group, a consultancy based in Brussels
=) Just FYI. And yeah, I know wiki changed the name, but there were no results for the original spelling. That’s the closest I could get.
Table of Contents for Series: Patch 3.3
- PTR 3.3 Notes Posted
- PTR 3.3 – Unnoted Hunter Changes
- Ghostcrawler on Pet Avoidance
- PTR 3.3: Culling the Herd, Cower Revised
- PTR 3.3: Faster Pet Leveling
- PTR 3.3: Spectral Bear?
- PTR 3.3: Northshire Wolves Getting Sick
- PTR 3.3: Arcturis the New Spirit Beast
- Patch 3.3: Arcturis the Spirit Bear, Diseased Wolves in Elwynn and More
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And as with Gondria and Skoll, there are now 6+ test hunters hovering over the area waiting for him to spawn.
I’m doing what I did with the other spirit beasts and fly around looking for un-discovered spawn points. That’s how I got my test Skoll and Gondria. The ‘First Find’ area will be crowded for the next few weeks again.
Awww, he’s so cool! Much better than Gondria, extremely great against Loque, but i think Skoll is just too cool.
It’s sooo baddas! But they should add a special NPC to Dalaran “Bost Ghuster ” or something, seriously, because there’s just not enough space for these…
Since the server thought i was making a command when i used the arrow like brackets, i wanted to say:
Bost Ghuster
-Spirit Beast Stable Master-
TBH i am no where near a fan of the ‘Worgs’ or so called in Northrend, they are ugly and look like they haven’t eaten in a month or more, so i wasn’t a huge fan of Skoll, but i LOVE loque, he is my fav spirit beast by far, now if only i could only find the elusive bastard
This guy looks awesome, and I love the name! I’ve always loved naming my pets after stars (my ghost wolf is named Rigel, and my ghost saber is Capella), this fits right in. Can’t wait to find him!
Yet another reason why hunters need more stable slots, or pets should become like mounts. Yea I know blizz didnt want to make it pokeman for hunters but come on, they keep adding more pets that are cool looking, or more pets that people want to tame, and yet they are forcing hunters who have played since the start to choose between giving up a pet you have for a long time, and may have bonded with, or not try out one of the new beasts.
Location confirmed. I’ve just found an tamed Arcturis north of Amberpine Lodge (Grizzly Hills) on the EU PTR. More high-res images can be found here (follow the link at the bottom of the news):
http://wow.gamona.de/2009/10/28/arcturis-die-neue-geisterbestie-fuer-jaeger-in-patch-3-3/
As always, thanks to all readers for the pointer! ^^
(This is a repost from the other page. Just wanted to share with all, since the old post will be abandoned.)
Side note – thought his name looked hella familiar, so I put it into Wiki. Here’s the first answer it gave me…
Arcturus (α Boo / α Boötis / Alpha Boötis) is the brightest star in the constellation Boötes. With a visual magnitude of −0.05, it is also the third brightest star in the night sky, after Sirius and Canopus. It is, however, fainter than the combined light of the two main components of Alpha Centauri, which are too close together for the eye to resolve as separate sources of light, making Arcturus appear to be the fourth brightest. It is the second brightest star visible from northern latitudes and the brightest star in the northern celestial hemisphere. The star is in the Local Interstellar Cloud.
An easy way to find Arcturus is to follow the arc of the handle of the Plough. By continuing in this path, one can find Spica (α Virginis) as well—hence the maxim, “Arc to Arcturus, then speed on to Spica.”
Other uses include the following –
* Arcturus, a star known for its brightness.
o Arcturus in works of fiction, for fictional references to the star
* Arcturus (planet)
* Arcturus (band), an avant-garde Norwegian metal band.
* Arcturus (steamship), a passenger ship of the Finland Steamship Company.
* Arcturus, Zimbabwe, a village in the province of Mashonaland East, Zimbabwe.
* Arcturus Mengsk, the leader of the Sons of Korhal and later Emperor of the Terran Dominion in the StarCraft computer game series.
* Project Arcturus, a failed Ancient power-source project in the Stargate Atlantis television series.
* Arcturus Group, a consultancy based in Brussels
=) Just FYI. And yeah, I know wiki changed the name, but there were no results for the original spelling. That’s the closest I could get.
While I understand Blizzard wanting to make sure that Exotic Pets continues to be rewarding, making every interesting skin added to the game be an exotic pet is getting a little obnoxious. How about making every third tamable by other hunters, guys?
I added your comment to the main post, Jangalian, because I think the info’s pretty neat.
aww. and here i hoped he would be a reg bear :/
Doubt ill be hunting this one down.
he still look sweet though. gratz on finding it.
Ringo: Sorry to burst your bubble, but you do realize this is for a pet family that sofar only has 3 members, and only had ONE to begin with. Then there’s also the fact spirit beasts are -punished- for being rare and hard to find. Then there’s the fact most other non exotic creature families have a minimum of 4 skins and usually average what 6-9 skins?
Spirit Beasts now consist of 4 beasts, of ‘3 different families’ and 4 different skins.
So while I can understand the ‘I want more non exotics to tame!!!!’ you will most likely have to wait untill Cat. Ok?
Seriously there needs to be more tameable exotics in all exotic families, especially for such as Corehounds and Devilsaurs, who only have 3-4 skins, or Sithilids who only have 3-4 skins.
Or spirit beasts. Who only have ‘3 models’. Since Arc here isn’t tameable live yet.
Ringo, I’ve heard alot of other non-BM hunters complain about not being able to tame SBs and that Blizz is being unfair. BM hunters get NO special shots, and just about all their talents affect their pet about 70-80%, and the hunter the rest. BM is about upgrading your pet, right? Well, think about exotic pets being upgraded forms of other pets, take silithids and spiders for example. They both have the same ability, accept the silithid web has a DoT thrown into the mix.
Also doing up the math, as said, going by the non exotic trees, in ferocity, excluding Hyena’s, there’s around -EIGHTY- creatures to tame.
Eighty.
80.
Eighty different skins.
Exotics: 10. And if you exclude King Krush who is like impossible to tame as he does NOT exist on my server evidently, the MC hound, and the spirit beasts for dps redundancy thanks to blizzard or having to spend weeks camping for him, there’s -Five- skins you can easily obtain.
So yeah once again I’m going to have to kindly ask that you be patient and wait for Cat.
I don’t really care how many SB’s they add to the game, they’re still “snowflake” pets.
² In response to the last few posters, I think we do need more regular pets. I’m not saying they need to add a bunch more creatures to the environments like they’re doing with SB’s. How about just making other skins tamable, or changing the models of certain mobs that use overabused models into some of the less common ones? That would satisfy many people. Especially where the wasps are concerned.
I really like the Firefly Wasp skins, but agree that there need to be more skins for the race, but also for Exotics too
Ethgri:
I’d much rather they add more models and skins to enviroments to be tamed then just making already in-game ones tamable BUT that’s me. Really, we almost can tame just about every skin available to us, minus a handful of cats and bears with unique skins (like the metal gem cat skin Beastmaw has or that druid bear in ashenvale). I’d rather Blizzard add that white blue ice cat thats been sitting in-game files forever and never used. Or the spectral tigers that Gondria came with (there was white and blue ones!).
But like I said, that’s me.
Personally, I’m glad to see more SB’s. I just hate how this Bear went with the Gondria style SB. The idea of fading to nothingness near his butt is pretty cool though. But seeing that super blockiness through the legs makes my OCD go off @_@ Guess I’ll be sticking to Loque and Skoll til Cat. XD
grats and kudos to those who found him though!
I don’t disagree that there need to be a lot of Exotic Pets. I don’t disagree with adding more of them.
But when the only new pets being added mid-expansion are Exotic Pets, that’s kind of crappy.
And you really don’t want “well, you got a spirit beast” to be the way that the spec is balanced — it should be balanced no matter what skin you’re using for an exotic. If you start saying “well, we have a glowing wolf, now we’re balanced,” there’s always the danger that Blizzard will agree and leave BM gimped.
Ah-ha, I KNEW it was a Spirit Beast of course! And of course it’ll have “growly” sounds coming from it, just like the other Spirit Beasts.
Honestly, I would prefer they get rid of the Spirit Beast family altogether and simply make them uber rare members of their respective families. It has nothing to do with Beast Mastery vs. the other two builds, I simply think they would be more beneficial in their respective families. As they are now, I can’t justify taking up a stable slot just because they “look cool”, I need them to also do something I find valuable. My current stable looks like this:
- Bear (Swipe + Thunderstomp)
- Warp Stalker (Warp + Thunderstomp)
- Wolf (Furious Howl)
- Chimaera (Froststorm Breath)
- Devilsaur (Monstrous Bite)
As it stands now, I have no real use for Spirit Beasts with Prowl or Spirit Strike. And since Blizz doesn’t want to give them an awesome ability out of fear they’d become the “must have” pet, I really can’t say I’d put the time into camping and taming one. Now if the wolf and bear ones were like their families (or God forbid they make a spirit Warp Stalker), I could be talked into it. Just my view really, I’m sure most would disagree with it.
Tamed him about an hour ago. Been screenshotting this bad boy up a treat. Here’s a post to the Original ‘New Spirit Beast 3.3.0′ discussion I set up, short of a week before the announcement of the model for this amazing Spirit Beast.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/class-hunter/new-spirit-beast-3-3-0/msg1667879/#msg1667879
Sexy bear! :D
Ringo when did I say that ‘Blizz giving us a Spirit Beast is BM being balanced’, sorry but I never said it. Lets do it this way Ringo.
Say. BM could tame -eighty- exotics. Eighty.
And you could only tame like, 5-10.
And then a new pet was coming out; for non BM hunters yay!
Then a BM hunter came and posted a complaint here because you were getting something shiny, and not them.
Now do you see the point of my post, it was never about blizz balancing BM or anything like that. It’s the fact Blizzard gave -one more skin/model- to an already skimpy tree, in an already skimpy choice.
Cause as much as I know a lot of hunters would love new pets, seriously do you think it’s going to happen before cat? No. It is possible a few new skins may happen but I doubt it.
Then there’s the fact that, I sit in Dal a lot. I sit in dal -A L O T- trying to get some more instance runs on my orc hunter. And as I idle around for an hour, I see things. These things are SV and MM hunters.
With Black War Wolves/worgs. Red wolves/worgs. Northrend worgs/wolves.
Or bears. I’ve seen -alot- of bears lately, even more than turtles and crocolisks.
And cats, just, these are fads like the wolves, but atm it seems to have settled down to a bit of variaty.
And raptors too, see them more than once. About the same as wasps.
So yeah you see, while normal hunters have a choice in what to tame for their pet, alot of them just seem to go with fad pets. No matter the level, it happens. BM can’t really do that, if they want to dps they have to really have either a devilsaur, a cat or a wolf. SB and Corehounds are alright, but evidently they still get you grief on my server, atleast hound wise. And I only see spirit beasts being popped out like pogermanz tbh.
So Ringo, if you want a ‘unique’ skin for the moment, see what hasn’t been mass tamed on your server, and go tame it.
Anyways.
Rikaku, you made me do some pondering of the cat, cause think about it, now that we’ve seen how, for the most part, these beasts are blue and white. Or ethral.ish…
I think the cat could have been like a prototyped spirit beast O_o cause I remember the model and it was pretty, but this could be why it never made it ingame?
fdgdfg oh now it shows I’ve posted wtf is going on here I’m confused aurg
*nosebleed!* Splut!
Omg, thanks Mania. =) I feel like awesomesauce now.
@Ryai
Sorry about the lack of King Krush. =) He’s a truely awesome pet. I just kept mine with the name Krush, cause I like the surfer turtle from Finding Nemo. Everybody loves King Krush, lol, I know this cause I get comments all the time. He may be as recognizable as the SB’s.
Also, it took TWO priests and a warlock to tame him. the warlock was incidental because he’s the one that found him, and I needed two priests because they were retarded. You could probably do this with just one priest, and I’ve heard tales of people soloing him. But if I saw him, I wouldn’t want to take the chance of losing him to another hunter or an achiev whore while you try with experiments to catch said bad boy. As always, good luck and good hunting. <3
Sorry about three separate posts.
Why are you folks so put out that Blizzard is giving us pretty new toys to play with? You act as if you think they owe us something. Just enjoy hammering the new blue glowy growling bear peg into the right hole. >D
Posted a video on YouTube with screenshots from the PTR if anyone wants to go have a look :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxQnukJQkqA
Technical problems with the recording gear resulted in a last resort option, screenshot vid :/
Yah, I was bouncing back and forth on picking up Gondria or Skoll but now… Well my new main hunter will have a tough choice once she gets to 80… or possibly 74…
I really didn’t think the bear would look as good as it does but the fade off in the back is very eye catching. Does anyone know if it has any special model animations like Loque’nahak’s steaming light blue areas, Gondria’s mana wisps, or Skoll’s lightning arcs?
well I dont know…
Loqu was cool in a sort of eastern magic animal style
gondria was a silly see-through lazer cat, admitedly, with cool looking purple steam animation that some of the undead mounts have too
skoll was a much better concept – a wolf that is not just a ghost but has lightening animation to make it special
now this ghost bear… its just a ghostly bear, has nothing spiritual about it really. what makes it different, in feel, from the other ghostly animals? like the hydra, the croc, the worms… what’s the point?
so it will be a hard to get spirit beast that do not share the bear family or the talent tree you learn to expect from bears and will be noisy.
if you like bears so much you can just as well stay any hunter spec you like and have a regular bear- no special talents needed. you can even get the undead looking bear from plague-lands and name it “brains” or something- thats would be cooler then this blue apparition.
Witrely: Ever think someone would rather have a ghost bear than an undead bear? Ever think someone would perfer a spirit bear, over a real bear? As I was going to say in an earlier post to someone else, these pets aren’t made specifically for you- the game does not revolve around specifically you. I dislike alot of pets for the most part on my main, but I don’t brush them off or brush others off who want to tame them.
Also.
‘But we probably have many builds left before Patch 3.3 is ready for prime time, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with unique sounds and possibly some more glowy effects as well.’
We’ve ONLY JUST FOUND THE BEAR. You can’t expect it to be looping thru the air on razzle dazzle sparkles yet, can you?
And what do you mean, different from other ghostly animals? Do you really have to squint to see? Where as Erebus is less see thru half the time than when it feels like when I first tamed him, the bear sofar is NEARLY invisable at it’s hind rump! How can you even say that’s not different? And there’s the fact it’s not a ‘ghost bear’ but a ’spirit bear’ like I now think STD cat is, basically not a demi god/mate of a demi god, but the spirit of an animal…
And sorry to burst your bubble but as much as the ick blockiness is there, I am now getting more interested for it for my Orc, who is in lv range [74] and sofar has NO exotic of ANY sort that has stayed around for more than 3 levels.
And I already have a bear to boot on her anyways so when I want a dps bear I have it, when I want a tank bear, I’ve got it.
Nice to see the Spirit Beast family getting more non-cats added, even if they get the stupid prowl instead of their old family skill. If Skoll had the wolf howl I’d be camping him right now. Did I just say that? o.0 Don’t tell Asha (panther), Gondria and Loque, they would use me as a scratching post for a while if they found out.
And as a BM hunter let me take the side of the non-BMs here; I would LOVE to see a few non-exotic new skins or pets added to the mix no matter how much math you want to throw at it. I’d kill for the red warpstalker or ice-white cat to be added to our tameables list.
Okay so now i have
Skoll
Loque
Gondria
A Pve wolf
A pvp crab
so looks like Gondria is getting abandoned damn they should really give us more slots :/
Wow, I’m amazed that one spirit animal can unearth such animosity between hunters. We’re a community, folks, so please try and act like it. =(
There will always be a bad apple in the barrel. Don’t be that apple.
I think it’s a pretty model, though I probably wont go for it myself, not too much of a bear person. I wonder what unique “roar” or sound he’ll get and if it will sound like a bear or cat like. They’ll probably add a glow, wisp, or snowy effect to him soon. While the transparent models can look weird at some angles, a redeeming feature is their hue changes drastically depending on the background. In example, “std cat” gondria looks purple in dalaran, nearly white on sand or snow, and more blue in dimly lit locations. With that in mind, I’d be excited if in Cata they let us a way to “imbue” spectral pets with an element that changed the underlying color of pets. Funsies!
Pooh. Oh well, at least I won’t have to spend any time camping him. Spend enough time staring at malformed mutant bear asses on my bear druid main. -_- lol
Greetings all!
And here is the ‘Arcturis’ video, which I’ve just compiled (from last night):
http://wow.gamona.de/2009/10/29/arcturis-the-spirit-beast-video/
You’ll find the video stream and download links at the bottom of the news.
The video shows the taming, skills and model/animation scenes, so that all your questions how the (semi-)transparent bear looks from different angles should be answered. Enjoy! ^^
oops, “if in Cata they let us *have* a way to”, that should say above.
Jang- spirit beasts tend to be a source of fights, ESPECIALLY when the term “special snowflake” gets thrown around. Its just one of those sayings that almost always strikes the wrong way and instantly makes people mad. >_>
Eh bickering always happens, I don’t mean to come off as ‘mad’ or ‘angry’ just mildly disgruntled.
Tho should be more like mildly disgruntled hunter who should be in bed. Cold/flus suck. Suck hard. Suck lemons hard.
Anyways I apologize, I’m just sick of the ranting that happened a while back.
/cook Steaming Shoveltusk Noodle Soup for Ryai, get better!
._. You know what I mean, though.
Besides, if you’re not a pet collector, why are you even looking at new pet posts?
@nobbie
Ty so much for the video! I am so damn tired of cats! I’m gonna drop Loque, and tame this bad ass asap. <3
You’re welcome. I’m gonna drop Skoll, keep Loque (the original SB), and tame this bear when 3.3 goes live. ^^
(meant to be posted last night)
Rarako:
I don’t think he has them currently, but most likely he will receive the glowing mouth energy (his teeth and eyes glow like SKoll and Loque’s) but probably in a later patch along with his unique sounds.
I might be persuaded to pick up that bear though on the condition that blizz does implement of the idea of us choosing our pets’ talent trees. Tanking Spirit beast bear? Yes please!
Ringo:
Spirit Beasts aren’t the only pets being added. They’re predominantly whats added but not the “only” thing. Aotona was added mid-expansion as a tameable. Those undead spiders beyond the phased area of Icecrown were added as tameable. Obviously not huge leaps, but neither are adding a rare spawn.
On a side note though, Blizzard did say that if they kept adding Spirit Beasts (like they are, this note I’m mentioning is back from 3.1), that obviously the current pet stabling system wasn’t going to work.
So perhaps this massive SB “collection” that has been happening has made Blizzard realize that there is more to Hunters choosing their pets then just “OMGDPS!”. Which means that perhaps we may get an overhauled pet stable system OR something simple like more pet slots.
If I can find the blue post again, I’ll link it; but in either case I find it interesting.
From the Hunter Q & A:
“Now one potential problem are the Spirit Beasts, which are collected by hunters and not trivial to replace. We have also discussed expanding the Spirit Beast concept to have rare skins of other pet families (that otherwise don’t convey a combat bonus). If we do that, we’d probably have to expand the stable slots.
We’ve also considered a model where the hunter doesn’t even need a stable and can work more like a warlock where they can just summon their pets whenever they want — with the remote stable ability from the dual-spec feature, we’re pretty close to that already. If we went this route then maybe the stable could just become pet storage in the same way your bank has all those Invader’s Scourgestones and Zul’Gurub bijous that you don’t use often but can’t bear to part with.”
(Regarding pet stable slots)
Whoo soup.
Internet food makes you hungry 8D
And Rikaku, that is like the best news I have heard concerning WoW/Blizz all day, no scratch that. All. Week. If they do impliment this feature, I don’t have to rip my hair out about what pet to abandon. I could store Ryai’s current five safely, and rotate them out and about as I see fit or whatever strikes my fancy. Infact this would work for my alts more, especially for my ‘challenge’ hunters. AKA tame pets of only one family/one tree or one color or tame pets where they have no matching colors.
*pats Jang*
Cause you have to understand that some people just look for things to complain about. And unintentionally for the most part, start bickering. But it’s alright, focus on the sparkly invisable bear.
And whoo spirit beast Dragonhawk and Devilsaur. Squeee. Ok know it probably won’t happen, but that’s a thought I look forward too.
(Now to todays news)
Nobbie: (and Rarako, ok so he does have the aura already, justnot the glowy mouth and sounds. If he has the aura, he’s probably like Gondria and will just have a shadow aura and SB voice, no ethereal mouth glow like Loque and Skoll)
Nice vid, sadly, I think I’ve decided I’m not going to bother with Arcturis for the same reason as Gondria. Blockiness in the legs makes me go insane @_@ Shame too cause I love that bear model way more than any other bear in game.
I wish they had done better though. i mean, overall the “ghost” effect can be much nicer. (For those who don’t know what I mean, go to Petopia’s Ghost Saber Gallery; you’ll notice the ghost saber, even though very transparent, doesn’t do this blockiness overlap that Ghost wolves, Spectral tigers, and Gondria do). I guess I’m saying that in comparison to Loque or Skoll, Gondria (especially Gondria) and Arcturis got the short end of the stick it seems in terms of art developement.
But, if the Huter Q & A is anything to go by, at least now I have some future pet stable slot changes to look forward to because of the bear XD
Jangalian:
Yes, SB do tend to bring out bitter “blood fueds” between Hunters. Not so much because they’re spirit beasts, but because they are argueably some of the most gorgeous models of pets available to Hunters, and many feel upset (for various reasons) that it is not available to other specs outside of BM. This reasons can include: Blizzard spending time on pets that are “for show”, Blizzard spending time on adding only SB and not other pets, Blizzard adding more skins to SB and not so much other families.
Oh god, I hope they change it to work like a warlock. It’s gonna be a real wrench to part with any spirit beasts. >_< I really like the idea (I think it was the other ghost bear post. And really, he's not like a bear god, he's more like a bear ghost.) of having a stable master for just spirit animals. Although if we got a rare skin for every family, then he would quickly become obsolete.
Might as well just give us a backpack full of pokeballs, imo. =)
Ryai, I would die to have this bear, or mebbe a ghost hyena. I loves some hyenas! Although I don't love that…that neck crouchy thing they did to them at 3.1. This bear is pretty much all I want as far as pets. =) AT least, until I can tame a Cata mastiff. Anyone want to group for the Perky Pug pet?
Spirit beasts definitely are not a balancing factor in BM. In fact with SS not scaling properly, Spirit beasts are just a flavor pet at the moment. Don’t get me wrong, I love my Aracia ((Gondria, the only one I could ever FIND, since Loque was camped 24/7)) but I use her because I want to, and not because she is the most effective at what she does. ((Though I do have to admit, she has taken many a rogue who vanished by surprise when the second tick of SS went off)) Blizzard has stated that they want Exotics to be able to do at least a little better then regular pets, which comes up in abilities like Froststorm breath and Monstrous bite, but to be honest I don’t know that the difference is enough to warrant the usage.
And meh, another spirit beast. I’d be more excited, except that with them being introduced one per major patch, and TWO of them being cats, it’ll be roughly 2020 before they cover all the pet families. *Chuckles* Including as of yet undisclosed new pet families for future expansions, of course. Plus, I’d rather have more new pets all around instead of just one new pet for the ‘unique’ pet family being introduced in a patch.
okay, I think blizz finally got it with skoll and this new bear, with the SB. I need 2 more stable slots now… cause, a) I need this bear and there is no way I’m giving up anymore slots (R.I.P, my ooze, and devilsaur), and b) I want a second free slot for the SB raptor when it comes out :P (can’t wait)
Bah. Keep trying to post, and the site says I’m spamming.
But, was gonna say, I’m totally behind a spirit beast only stable master. =) Maybe like, have a collection book as opposed to slots, so that each beast is checked off as its captured.
While I kind of sympathize with the desire to reserve ghosty pets for the SB family so as to diversify it, expand the number of exotic skins and etc, I think this is a trade off – yes, it’s good to build up the new SB family and give it a wider range of models, and I’m not going to accuse anybody of equating that to class balancing, however each new spirit beast is a cool looking pet with the same old prowl/spirit strike… particularly irksome for BM hunters who feel the need to “collect them all” and find their stables becoming increasingly top-heavy with the same repeated skillset… sure you can mix them up somewhat with different pet talents, but that only goes so far.
Meanwhile if Blizzard decided to make one of the upcoming ghost pets belong to its normal family as a simple rare skin, we’d get not only a cool new look that our MM/SV hunters could play but also some refreshingly different pet skills as well. I’m not talking about doing it this way for all future SB or even most – even if just 1 in 3 were made non-exotic I think it would be pretty cool.
As a slight variant, perhaps that “third” pet could be something cool looking but not ghostly, e.g. something with barding, or even just a unique fur color, etc. That way you preserve the ethereal feel of the SB family while still providing cool looking rares with diverse pet skills.
Just a thought.
One beast I can think of that would make a perfect addition as a tameable-rare-without-the-SB-look is Qirot; simply make him tameable, and voila you’ve made a bunch of hunters happy for another patch with virtually zero time needed for new programming.
When you get down to it this is nothing more than occasionally going back and doing it “old school”, where you add something that may not be as stupendously, jaw droppingly, gob smackingly cool as Skoll, but is nonetheless very desirable and worth camping.
I’m sort of excited,though stable slots are an issue. I prefer bigger pets to go along side my tauren so it looks like gondria will be the one getting the boot for this bear. Especially since I refuse to give up my main 3 pets, king krush, ghost jormunger and white silithid.
I already gave up loque for skoll. Meh I was never fond of cats in game anyways.
Qirot…hm. I honestly would rather have a Cata mastiff. =) That’s a family addon that truely excites me.
@ Jangalion
Why just have a Spirit Beast only Stable master? There should be a normal stable master, and then an exotic Stable Master. That way, I can finally get the worm out of my Normal Stable and have room from something else (Because I really don’t want to waste gold just to turn Bm, get worm out, dismiss, then respec back)
@dobertommy
But what if ALL your pets are exotic? Then the 4 (so far) SB would clog up your slots, and when they added more SB then the exotic stable master would become obsolete. Probably the best thing would be to learn them as a spell, linked to an achievement. Or give us pokeballs.
BTW to whoever was talking about King Krush’s Im one of of the only two Ive seen on my server. (and one of the ones who soloed the tame).
More slots over-all will likely be the solution. Maybe something dynamic like key rings.
Having both the cat SB’s I like both looks I just havent found skoll yet! But i love Loque because of his sleek shape.. my alts have other cats including the ghost saber but stiil they dont have his sleek look skoll would be cool to have but will not abandon my other rares cause until they give the sb more damage or until I get better stables cant see myself doing it
Kroxis. I WOULD TAME EVERYTHING.
Scott:
I like how a bunch of people completely skipped the post of a Blizzard blue already mentioning the issue most of you guys are reporting. ;)
Bottom Line:
Blizzard stated that if they decided to make more SB’s with non-cat like models, then they will either overhaul the pet stable system or give us more stable slots.
So technically, yes. Blizzard has already identified the “omg gotta catch em all” mentality and as we can see from the introduction of Skoll & Arcturis, this will be happening.
I disagree with “spectral beasts” being used in normal families or the 1 in 3 SB skins belong to their proper family. The whole point of exotics is to look unique and different while still performing the normal functions of a Hunter’s Pet. BM hunters (not always, but usually0 have a closer bond and choice made upon their pets family and skin moreso than any other spec of Hunters. If a Hunter wants a wider variety of pet families and skins to choose from, then BM should be the consideration.
Other specs got special shots, we got special pets.
That’s just how I see it anyways.
I created a WoWWiki article for Arcturis http://www.wowwiki.com/Arcturis
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Rikaku:
I do remember the post from GC you’re referring to; wasn’t sure if you were thinking I was one of the ones who missed it but if so – nope.
And talking of which, one of the things that got discussed by Himself (can’t remember if it was in that post or another) was the possibility of releasing rares that were ~not~ spirit beasts; just rare skins applied to existing families so non-BM hunters could get in on the pokemon thing at least to a lesser extent.
So my Qirot speculation actually has some legs.
Sorry Mania, I get easily frustrated. =) I will try and be more patient, but I’m just flipping out over this bear. Just delete whatever comments that are spam marked, as I think I’ve just plain yapped too much today anyways. XD Frankly, at this point I have worked myself into such a froth that now I’m just like omgwtfrltfhailookitsaglowyghostbearohwaitthatstheoneIreallywanttteeeedddd!
need to add him to petopia’s new pet list
RAPTOR Spirit Beasts. Hope the add one, and not the outlands skin. I prefer the old Azeroth skin.
hehe Jang I hear ya, thats the way I felt when I first laid eyes on Skoll.
I just had an intresting idea while reading Scott’s post.
Wouldn’t it be wild if lets say there is a particular ability you like, but is not aviable to your current pet.
(For instance lets say I want my wolf to snatch weapons like a bird.)
So what you could do is go on a quest handed out by someone like Rexxar to have your pet learn this skill. It would be a hunter only quest kind of thing and it could bring a sort of personal touch to your pets. If such a thing exsisted I know I would go on whatever quest he wanted just to do this.
This kind of thing is always a silly idea but I am a die hard 100% hunter fan and for me even silly little thing have a big impact on my play.
What would be really cool is if they made Spirit Beasts with a variety of “elemental” looks to them.
We already have a lightning element with Skoll, with the bolts that flicker around him. Imagine a fire element Dragonhawk SB with skin like cooled cracked lava, black with lines of glowing orange-red. And an ice element Chimaera SB that shed sparkles of snow as it moved and had an ice-like sheen on its body. Or a nature element Turtle SB with grass and moss on its shell and a couple of plants or a small tree growing from it (shades of Torterra). And a darkness element Spider SB with a cloud of shadow around it and a deep midnight-blue/black body pattern.
Not to sound rude Mitsuhide, but that sounds an awful lot like making spirit beasts even more Pokemon-esque =)
*chuckles* Actually, I am kind of sick of spirit beasts. I wish they’d actually FIX them first, along with Rhinos…..
Having read all the comments…
I am a beastmaster. I have a tallstrider (and it’s not even fancy colors)…
Am I the only one that thinks beastmasters are just fine?
From what I’ve read, everyone thinks that beastmasters have the short end of the stick. Having 9+ hunters, all lvl40+ (some into their 70’s, and some into their 80’s).. I have sv hunters, I have mm… I’m not a “huntard”, and my “main” is a bm…
Honestly, I find beastmasters to be the best choice to play. Sure, in a -raid- we don’t do as much damage… so… dual-spec, and go mm for a raid?
Exactly what i do Morlahan, but i only do that b/c i like MM very much, wouldnt even try if i didnt
Morlahan, I am a life time beast master. I’ve respecced for small periods of time in order to test things, which is why I get annoyed. It’s a matter of short term vs long term in my case. Over a period of time, my beast master hunter will deal almost as much damage as my SV spec. *Shudders* Anyway, my problem is that beast master is so far behind, it’s the reasoning BEHIND us being as far behind as we are, which was that we are an ‘easy spec’ to play.
And I don’t even want to talk about the differences in performance of PvE and PvP. The odd thing is, survival gives a heavier advantage against ranged attackers, while BM allows a bit more of a survival rate against death knights and rogues.
Palla where about is your gear atm? I have kinda made it my crusade to show people that BM is still viable.
Sometimes its hard…lol with all the non hunters screaming “BM Sucks!!” it makes hard for some pugs to see what I am about. However after some time with my guild I have proven it to them at least hehe.
:)
It isn’t that it isn’t viable, Shadowkaizen. It’s still completely viable, and workable, but it’ll still be anywhere from 400 to 500ish behind SV and later a bit more then that behind MM.
I love BM. It is the only spec I play, and I can wreck nearly anyone with it, aside from a few special cases ((Well geared warriors or death knights, a rogue who jumps me when BW is on cooldown, extremely over geared frost mages)) but I am frustrated that it’s been knocked down just because it’s ‘easy’, which is debatable anyway.
And almost up to date BGable gladiator gear. *Laughs* I don’t arena, so I have to make the best with what I can get hands on, weapon wise I am using Nessingwary and the Ebon Blade swords.
I completely agree with you palla. I belive BM has in depth play that alot of people just dont realize. You just dont sit there and steady-shot all day and night like the hype wants you to belive.
I find that not only do I have to watch what im doing and where im standing I also watch where my pet is and what he is doing and his postion to the boss. I see that you PVP alot which is cool and im thinking about getting back into but I am looking at it mostly from a PVE standpoint and sometimes I can see my numbers get up there quite a bit.
One of my main points I like to use is during mobile fights (which there is alot of them) I can find my damage begining to sometimes edge out and somtimes overcome the dps of other specs. My freedom and mobility just makes the spec seem the way a hunter was ment to be, and when I try out SV it just feels so slugish when compared to my norm.
I am currently in mostly Tier 9 but I know my largest weakness is im still using the True Aim Long Rifle. Once I get that up to a good weapon I can really show people the power of our fav spec! :)
*chuckles* It’d just be sad if I actually had up to date gear. But I don’t…..really play with anyone anymore, and when I used to, I definitely didn’t have enough people for a five man team. So I am relegated to the best I can manage without raiding or doing arena’s, which isn’t a lot. I could probably improve my melee weapons a bit, but it wouldn’t make a huge difference.
Better than on my server Palla, Even for just the normal raids [the 10mans] everyone wants you to link achivements :/
Was using WoW armory finally to look for upgrades cause I checked WoWwiki and noithing. Nothing good drops for Ryai anymore anywhere in any 5man hc.
Be so happy when the new LFG comes out, maybe can finally get crap done :s
I’ve always been dissapointed that the spirit beasts were cool, but just not enough to make me wait for days to look for one. This bear comes close, but still nothing I’ll be hunting for. If it was a spectral T-rex I’d be first in line to wait days, but I seriously think this is getting ridiculous. Give us a hard quest line that leads to rare pets or something that requires more skill than /find rare mob, /find rare mob, over and over and over. I guess some people think its fun and it is an achievement in a way because of the time invested not to belittle anyone who managed to get one. I just personally think they could be going about the desire we have for these kinds of pets a little better.
@bulletdance
We do it for the thrill of the hunt.
I have a question. What does this new bear-form spirit beast eat? Meat and fish like other spirit beasts?
I don’t think it’s right that every spirit beast eating and acting like a cat, just because the first spirit beast is cat-form.
Maybe there will be a sporebat-form spirit beast in the future. It eats meat and fish, and attacks with claw? That’s strange.
I would suggest to let spirit beasts eat everything, and give them a more common focus dump skill.
I agree with Bulletdance, We need more things like Hunter quests that lead to cool pets to possibly tame…heck, make it phase quest-line thing so players cant “steal” your kill and/or tame(s)
Heck, the whole game needs more class specific quests in it to bring back that feeling of your class actually mattering story-line wise!
At low levels theres class specific quests that you can pick up from your trainer. (ie hunter beat taming lv 10) As well as lock/pally mount quests, and Druid Flightform quests. Blizz really needs to bring back more of these!
Palla:
BM4Life baby, that’s where you’ll find me at.
Disregard my current dual spec SV atm, it was a long day filled with Long Islands ;) It’ll be my pvp BM spec soon enough.
Stranger:
Arcturis eats what the SB family eats. Meat and Fish. They use Claw and Prowl. That sounds “cat=ish” but that is just how the SB family works. Just because you’re taming a Spirit Bear doesn’t make it a Bear therefore it eats like one. XD It’s what the SB family eats, and even if it is reminescent of the cat family, that’s just how it’s set up (sadly).
I kinda have to say I don’t agree with quest tame mobs; what if you do the quest but don’t tame the mob. What if you tame the beast but ditch it later, and then only find out, unlike other beasts who you can with a bit more time/patience/luck can retame, especially if rare, but the quest beast is forever gone?
Then the class specific quests you use first; the beast taming ones, are really just to get newbie players on hunters to realize they can A: tame more than one beast B: learn how to use, tame beast.
They are not the same as the flightform quest, the mount quests, or anything else of the sort.
And besides I went thru hell for the demon summons on my warlock, and this was BEFORE you could learn riding at even lv 30 and when the Felpup quest was still a stealth pvp quest.
And I still haven’t done the damn Infernal/Doomguard questlines.
So tbh coming from me I wouldn’t really enjoy something like that being implimented. And, AND, wouldn’t doing up pets like that, from special chains and etc just lead to more pet elitism? OR they’d be like spirit beasts- nerfed damage to ‘prevent lol grief’ OR be like a standard pet anyone can tame.
Basically it’d just be a super shiny special skin.
It’d be no different to a Spirit Beast.
Ryai, I see your point…Unless they make something like “Aspect of the hunted” “while active, phased beasts that hunters have already seen become visable to the hunter.”( ie beasts thet the hunter has already completed the quest for). And have this ability learned upon a quest completion.
Makoes, that also kinda opens up a whole new can of worms, especially for places where you have quested/phased out creatures, the Vanguard is one such place.
Then there would be hunters would would also try to ’cause grief’ and the ilk like I saw news of a hunter who had Skoll, who was camping/griefing another hunter, attempting to also, tame Skoll.
Then as I said all in all, it’s just a bad idea. You wouldn’t be able to have anything really special, and if it was to special or to open, people would complain or something. Or if it was an elite quest, then ofc Blizz would probably throw in sub par pets for the reward. Meaning more people would be left unsatisfied. If it’s more open, then it’d probably be unfortunately, still run of the mill creature.
If you feel your pet isn’t special enough, or if it’s not good enough, look for something that is. A quest shouldn’t be what makes a pet special enough for you; that in turn only brings it down to the level of gear. And would probably be dangerously close to questing for pets; improving cat v1 to cat v2 and so forth.
Only one of my pets came from quests [Ghost Hydra] but that was only indirectly. I already have a way to make my hunter feel more with the world, or rather her pets to an extent, and my experiences with them. I role play to an extent, I write a bit. I develop the world without the limitations of quests.
Mean if I stopped putting it off I’d write my ‘epic tame sagas’ out, from taming King Mosh, to stumbling onto Loque while getting lost in the basin, or finding Skoll behind a tree, hiding from a BM bot.
Go have your own fun, write up your own adventures. Don’t let Blizz have to be the one to tell you how your hunter fits into the world :)
Eh, I just don’t like the special hunter quests idea. Kind of makes it feel like shooting fish in a barrel. However I DO like that idea more then the current ideology on spirit beasts, where they are rare and random spawns.
The only reason I use all of my current pets are the looks, or fondness. I’ve had a white warg since level eleven. I always wanted a devilsaur. I tamed a cat in Outlands, and fell in love with it. I love the look of the white chimera. And I just really, REALLY wanted a spirit beast. I don’t use any of them, though I suppose wolf and devilsaur could be considered the ‘best’ at what they do. I really just love my pets.
All this talk is making me want to reactivate my account. *Laughs*
I don’t use any of them because they are the best*
Do et Palla do eeeet.
Your pets command eeet.
I think Spirit Beasts should know Spirit Strike and the same racial as the animal they are. for example: Skoll should have Furious Howl, and Arcturis should have Swipe
Just tamed The bear at 7:10 AM.
HE is beautifull and also was tamed at 11am
Anybody find any new spawn points yet sides amber lodge? Ive looked only spot i know of.
Dont forget there are special beast quest that hunter but not only for hunters quests like echeeyake or how ever its spelled the white lion of the lvl 16 horde quests and the rotams in winterspring which is at the end of a chain quests of other beasts there.. spirit beasts are a thrill of the hunt thing and if you look at certain times of the day or night you have a little better chance to find without alot of campers I found both loque and Gondria very early in the morning!!
72/Palla:
Yeah, I’ve had similar experience re: BM and DPS – my MM hunter does about 150% as much DPS as my BM hunter – versus *target dummies*. BUT in a group, it flips the other way, like 180 degrees difference from the target dummy scenario; where my MM hunter can’t seem to get anywhere near her target dummy numbers, and meanwhile my BM hunter is doing 150% as much as her.
I still haven’t figured out exactly why – both cases come from extended periods of stand & shoot, using essentially the same priorities/rotations/etc…
I was going to say something about the whole rare/special quests specifically for pets (or something like that, I read it at 2 AM when I should’ve been sleeping. At least Palla knows why I was tweaking out XD)
But Ryai summed up what I wanted to get across so beautifully, I’m going to re-quote Ryai.
“If you feel your pet isn’t special enough, or if it’s not good enough, look for something that is. A quest shouldn’t be what makes a pet special enough for you; …
Go have your own fun, write up your own adventures. Don’t let Blizz have to be the one to tell you how your hunter fits into the world :)”
THAT is the epitome of some players’ and their relationship with their pet. That right there. If I could get that engraved on a plaque, I would.
I’m just not impressed with this one, I don’t know why.
@ Rikaku
If you ask ME, Hootie the Strigid Screecher is the epitome of the hunter/pet relationship. >.<
I think the idea has just gotten stale for some people, Symphony. Personally, I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Yes, it’s a new skin for ____’s favorite pet family. That’s nice and all, but I’d rather have a new pet family in general, or to have the spirit beasts be DIFFERENT from one another. But I am aware that it’d take a lot of coding to have one spirit beast do rake and spirit strike, and another do swipe and spirit strike. That being said, used to you had pet’s who had different attack speeds, and there for a while a pet who had a completely unique pet ability. I don’t think it would be THAT hard, I just don’t expect them to do it.
Firewing:
I love that song. I sing it alot XDD
@ Palla I agree with ya 100%!!! atleast 2 new pet families to add to the new expansion and not just new skins
I agree a new pet familes would be great, however I still think that before that happens hunters need more stable slots, or some other solution. IE pets become like mounts, or hunters can buy there own zoo where you can keep as many pets as you want, but can only have 5 active at one time (4 stabled and one active).
While the bear is nothing more then a reskin its still nice looking.
If it looks like a Bear, why can’t it be a Bear?
Anyone have any info on new spawn points for this ghostly grizzly?
Some hunters can be real PITA.
I was going around GH looking for this SB and this one hunter that’s sitting on the known spawn point has his throw away pet out. Named Arcturis…
Everytime I pass that area this false Arctuis sets off my search macro.
Seeing as I’ve been playing since original closed beta, I have some input on the Spirit Beast thing. See, I’ve been camping rare spawns with rare skins since the beginning. At level 13, I forced my friends to run me down to the Barrens to get a raptor. (I play my original hunter still; an NE hunter.) Then there was the return trip for the wind serpent. The hours spent in Duskwood searching for Lupos. The weeks spent looking for a Horde player who would help me summon Sian-Rotam.
I enjoyed it all. I still do. When I’m running around the old world, I still detour to check on rare spawn spots (you’d better believe I still remember them all). When I see them there, I salute and admire them, and if I had stable space, I’d probably retame them.
But this Spirit Beast thing? Bad concept. Stupid concept.
Hey, hunter, want a pet?
*Yeah!*
It’s got a rare skin, it’s the only one of its kind in game.
*Cool, I’ve done that before.*
It has a horrible spawn timer.
*Oh, yeah, I’ve been there – bring it on!*
And you can only tame it by choosing the least viable of your talent specs, plus it will be among the least viable of the pets to choose for that spec.
*Huh?*
Why was there a pressing need to bring this into the game? The whole exotic thing was a neat concept, but since Blizzard erred way too far in NOT giving them the edge so that BM hunters had a reason to spec into the tree, they need to be either scrapped or revamped so that they can FINALLY outDPS other pet families. If I want to camp hours for a unique pet skin, I can go back to Azeroth and hang out waiting for Ol’ Cliff Jumper, and at the end of it, he’ll be a pet I won’t be ashamed of keeping in the stable.
I realize you probably weren’t aiming for it, but I’m kind of offended, Nyx. Beastmaster may be at the bottom of the pack for DPS, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t viable. I realize it’s going to vary from person to person, but best DPS doesn’t necessarily mean best spec or best class. Now if beast master were over a 1,000 DPS behind, then you could officially call them gimped and broken in a bad way, but they aren’t. The bottom line is that ‘least DPS’ does not equate to ‘not viable’.
Otherwise, I agree with you. They say that the four points are supposed to be the real meat of the talent ((And it used to be five. Five was overpowered……how again?)) and yet all it did was boost up one half of the duo’s DPS and or survivability, and not even by that much. As Nim said it does break the normal mold of 1%/2% what have you statistical increase, but again it isn’t by some huge amount. The exotics themselves over some interesting and unique effects ((Ranged slow with two damage sources, ranged snare with nature damage, etc.)) but don’t, on the over all, increase the pet effectiveness by a huge amount. ((It’s actually hard for me to argue that considering how much I love frost storm breath and acid web, but it’s the truth)) It’s something I’ve argued here before, and something I still stand by. Our 51 point talent is one of the bottom rung, and the worst of the two passive talents.
have some interesting abilities and unique effects* Because apparently Palladia briefly forgot how to talk.
Ryai, your point isn’t hard to understand and it’s not necessary to restate it like I’m an idiot. I simply disagree — these are opinions, not facts.
And Ryai, the stuff about balancing was directed at Cheesedoodle. There are other people in this conversation. ;)
I said least viable, I didn’t say it wasn’t viable. You can, in fact, spec BM, and no one will leap from a bush and beat you about the head with a stick. However, and someone already admitted this earlier in the thread, you will find yourself severely behind on DPS; since we’re one of the few pure DPS classes in the game, if one of our trees is lowest on damage, it is the least viable out of all three trees (and not at all viable for cutting-edge progression raiding – but that’s not the focus of Mania’s site, so we can pass over that).
However, DPS and hunter roles aside, as an oldtimer who rolled the hunter class specifically for taming pets, as a player who spent many happy hours hunting rare spawns and taming random mobs to get all her pet skills (remember that?), I find the Spirit Beasts annoying. Not the long spawn times; not the rarity; I’m all for making some pets extraordinarily hard to get, hard to find – that’s part of the little thrill. My favourite pet, the one I would honestly quit the game over if he were taken out now, is the Spirit Wolf; I poured a ton of time and money into getting him, and I still smile when I see him loping alongside my character.
But keeping all the new skins, the rare skins, the interesting skins for ONE spec of hunter? That’s not bloody fair, and I spent 60 levels* taming my way through two different worlds without it. Had Blizzard been introducing new skins throughout and simply leaving several Spirit Beasts for BM hunters, that would be different; still annoying, especially for BM hunters who don’t really want to roll the bottom of the barrel in order to have a shiny pet, but marginally more acceptable than ensuring that ALL new models post-expansion-release will belong to a minority of the class’s population.
*Since levels 1-10 don’t involve taming.
Then I’ll tell you what, Nyx, I’ll trade my spirit beast for your chimera shot or explosive shot.
IF exotics were really far ahead of the pack as far as damage or survivability, IF Beast Mastery gave a more substantial bonus, IF beas masters got some other sort of plus inside the BM tree, I might be inclined to agree with you. But right now the only ‘bonus’ to playing BM is “Oh, hey, I get a shiney pet!”
Now, I KNOW what you’re saying. You’re saying that only introducing new pets with unique looks that can only be tamed by one spec is wrong, right? Think back. TBC, how many times were new pets introduced period, and how many of those were inside instances? I think, THINK there might have been a few new skins introduced from start to finish. Now think about Wrath. Can you think of ANY new skins introduced outside of the spirit beast? I can’t. And as far as that goes, the spirit beast started out with at total of ONE representative, and that poor fellow could appear in what, seven places? They HAVE TO EXPAND THE SPIRIT BEAST FAMILY. That isn’t them trying for a personal affront to you or any other non-BM who really love their pets. It’s just them trying to make up for what was a bad idea in the first place.
You keep….talking about how BM is bottom of the barrel, knock it off. You are really making it sound like it’d gimp you to spec as BM, and it is coming off as fairly min/maxing to me. Not cutting edge? Not viable for serious raiding? Please. If a BM play’s their class WELL, then that gap isn’t as great as you’re making it out to be. It sounds to me like you’re just obsessed with ‘OMG, DAMAGE!’, and don’t want to have to spec into something else just to get a pet you want.
It is a GAME. Is that 300-500 DPS really such a vital focus of your life, that you’d play a spec you don’t enjoy or don’t want to play?
Palla: There’s Aotona and the white hawk.. and the tauren drood flight form..
Anyways I have to back Palla up here;
‘But keeping all the new skins, the rare skins, the interesting skins for ONE spec of hunter?’
You say this, yet you if SV have TWO shots MM/BM will never have, and if you’re MM you’ll have TWO shots and an aura buff that the other two will never have and if you’re BM…
All you have frankly is a shiny pet.
And as Palla has also said, and has been said by several hunters countless times, Spirit Beasts only started off with ONE. ONLY ONE. Then STD cat came, then Skoll and now the bear. I’m sorry that you feel like you’re being left out of the park for shiny tames but the fact of the matter is as it stands at the moment, even not including hyena’s for dps pets there are around EIGHTY SKINS you can choose. For BM hunters 5-10.
I’m sorry that you feel it’s unfair that sofar you have no real new shiny pets to choose from, but you need to accept that and just wait for Cat.
I mean we’ve already seen the hinted at animals for Cat, a couple new raptor skins/models possibly, a bipedal Ankylosaurus of sorts, Blizz hinting at possible tameable Zhevra, other species possibly becoming tameable. New skins for existing models maybe coming out and being made tameable.
Oh speaking of which, on the ptr- has anyone beast lored the blighthounds in VH norm/hc? They were if I remember right still flagged as beasts. Were they stealth changed to tameable?
@Ackar
Lol, which server are you on? That may possibly be me.
Not Only is BM not that far behind in Damage, But if you can’t stand playing as SV or MM i KNOW for a FACT that you won’t be able to out dps your BM spec unless you don’t like playing as that either…. It’s proven that you’ll do better and try harder in a spec/situation that is more comfortable/you like than not. so going “Oh auto-switch to SV/MM for the ‘Uber-leet deeps!!!’ ” is really dumb
Seriously. People do take raiding too seriously. Or the game. It’s a GAME. You play too have fun. If you have people relying you to be top DPS, to have epic gear, to be there constantly for your raids, when the game becomes a JOB, it’s time to take a break.
I’m on of those, “I play for the fun, not the stats.” people. If you gave me the choice of whether I can never, ever, ever, set foot in a raid again, but I get to do all sorts of epic quest chains, or raiding but only constant “kill 5 of these noaw.” quests, I’d chose to never raid again in a heartbeat.
FYI, Arcturus is Latin for “Bearkeeper”
=D thought that was quite relevant…
That is certainly an interesting tid bit, thanks Denon =)
Just tamed him at 5:20pm server time on the PVP Server. You have a better chance taming him on PVP server then PVE. Pve has like 5-7 hunters camping while PvP sever don’t have any. Kool Pet hope they update him more to much like gondria :P
Arctos=part of scientific name for grizzly bears
Whoot, they gave me props on the Wowinsider post. XD I had to tell them they screwed up, though.
On the only/mostly BM exotic pets coming out arguement, it would be nice if blizzard would also add in some new looks/models/recolors for regular pets as well. Even just recolors with more striking eye hues.
In all honesty, to a BM hunter, the more and more spirit beasts thing, while nice for variety, has a frustrating edge as you can *easily* wind up with multiple spirit beasts…which are in action just carbon copies of eachother. So you end up with stable-filling beautiful but less dmg than devilsaur/wolf pets. The point blizzard makes that spirit beasts MUST have lower dps because they cant force hunters to tame them is getting tiring. I sort of wish they would fix their dps, and make up for it by introducing one model of a not-rare spirit beast, who..well, looks rather bland. That way the min-maxer BMs(if in fact they exist), can get a spirit beast that looks dull but works the same, and the more striking models will continue to be hunted by hunters who care. sorry for almost booklength post.
I’m still waiting for the shoveltusk spirit beast…
Noba, that was a good length, but not booklength. *Laughs* And I agree with you, I have been saying we need to have a non-rare spirit beast for a while now, and if it’d boost the DPS on it, then for the love of god PLEASE just do it.
And as for BM Min/maxers, eh, I am sure they exist. In fact in order to be competitive at higher level raiding with BM, you’d probably HAVE to min/max. But at the same time, it seems it’d be an oxymoron, doesn’t it? *Laughs* Low end raiding would be survival, high end would be MM. BM would be…..TBC? *Chuckles*
Actually Dweezill, Nyx is right. BM IS the worst off of the three right now, and as such is at the bottom of the barrel as a pick for hunters. That doesn’t mean it CAN’T be competitive, mind you, but it is the hardest of the three by far because of it’s built in limitations. There isn’t a whole lot you can do to improve your DPS beyond timing your BW, trinket, and kill command. You are extremely bound by your gear, and we only have so many buttons to push, and our scaling is probably a bit behind par.
I just…..really hate when people let min/maxing determine everything about their game. I realize that some people like that kind of thing, and it’s why they play, but I just don’t understand it, to be honest. If I want to play BM, I’ll play BM and do my best with it, without worrying about whether or not my spec is the best, or my pet is the best, or what have you. There are certain things you DON’T do, like take a tenacity pet into a raid. But for the most part, if you JUST USE SOME INTELLIGENCE then you should do just fine. But maybe that’s just me being naive…..
…and to think, the first WoW cinematic introduction had the hunter in the forefront when the movie started…. to me that was BM in my mind and one of the reasons that drew me to WoW when it launched… a chance to fight alongside your pet in taking down your foes (the “I hit him high, you hit him low” vibe that part of the video spoke to me)…. then came the changes blizzard wrought with the spec I leveled from lvl 10 onwards. Alas, BM is now worse off than it had been, but I still love it….. and that is saying something.
And yes Dweezill, BM IS the worst of the three trees at the moment. And yes, most of us KNOW that and have tested it numerous times to prove it…. myself included since I AM a BM specced hunter.
I am one of those who don’t give a hoot abt gearscore and damage meters. Though I do care about grabbing threat off tank, so I DO have Omen. … in any case having uber gear doesn’t mean you can walk the walk and do the talk…. trust me, I’ve seen players with UBER gear and still play like a moron. Gear is nothing, the player is EVERYTHING. And even though my being BM doesn’t top the charts (currently), I play the way I like to play. I play the game to my benefit and to my enjoyment…. the moment someone tells me to start playing seriously and pandering for others’ whims and actually set a schedule for it like a business meeting (or else), then I hope those buggers are going to be paying me in cold hard cash for my time or I can take my “game” elsewhere.
It’s all about having fun… when it becomes a mandatory chore; then it’s time to take a break.
So I was googling for more info on this cutiebear and stumbled across an interesting old post from the WoW forums: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18326622235&sid=1 .
Nifty, eh?
Well, it seems blizzard was listening to the Fanbase eh? at least for the name of this beast… Surprising, but it’s good news to see them listening to threads other than bug reports…
The constellation “plough” is also known as the Big Dipper, which is a part of the larger constellation Ursa Major, that is, Greater Bear. ^_^
Thanks, 126 =) Makes me feel useful.
@Ærynn Lómëhtar
Everybody loves bears. Except for maybe Hugh Glass.
I’ll go out on a limb here.
I have five full pet slots. 2 rares, 1 untameable, a Dragonhawk and a SB.
I’ll admit it. The Dragonhawk and Skoll are dummy pets; placeholders for whatever uniquely singular rare tameable skin pops up in Cat. However in recent months, Skoll has earned his keep as “Maugrim”, the hissy snarly faithful wolfy servant of a certain White Witch; and the ‘hawk has become Ilarion, a playful, faithful friend.
So looking at Arcturis, the hunter in me is at the moral crossroads once again. Should I again go hunting/taming for the elusive Loque’Nahak, perhaps hunt and tame Arcturis (and probably piss off a certain “top dog” of the family in the process?) or leave him and observe the frantic malarkey on Saurfang as every Hunter and his/her little dog too fight for first server tame rights?
As pretty and as gorgeously regal as he is, I think I’ll be the hunter sitting back with the fishing chair and the popcorn this round.
Good luck to all those after him <3
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My stable choices are easy. I have Moonlight, who I’ve had sincefirst going into BC…He was Rak’shiri. With him, I abandoned him for a black owl, than realized that I really wanted my Rak back. Queue more retames and I was set. Moonie has been with me since.
Iorek, my armored wolf, is special because I was (or so I think) the first few to tame one on the servers. He is my current pet in the spotlight.
Then Aayren the bear, who will become the new spirit bear, then the dragonhawk and Echo, my Gondria. Really, my problem is I fixitate on one pet, level them, then no longer pay attention to anyone else. Poor Moonlight has been in the stables forever…and it makes me sad considering what we’ve gone through. It’s like the Midnight Occurence all over again. >.<
I could really use more stable slots. I’m far too attached to my current pets for the inevitable problem I will come across in Cataclysm. Which is probably another check point under “Re-roll a new Hunter” catagory.
Ghost Wolf (untameable), Gezzerak (untameable), Loque(never going to Scholzar EVER again…) and Skoll (puppy!). I love them all far too much to ever let go. God forbid I can tame a Zebra in cataclysm.
ToysRUs here I come. Then again, that’s probably not allowed. Toisarus…yeah that’ll work. >=)
DweeziL:
While yes Palla is right, theoretically speaking BM is the worst off of the Hunter specs, HOWEVER that in no way means “we’re crap, don’t play this spec.”
I do want to point out one thing you said.
“Nyx… The funny thing is, I am a BM hunter, and I use Skoll to raid with. I went through 25 man vault yesterday and was second on DPS behind a fury warrior who was doing well over 6000 DPS. To say Bm is the worst spec for raiding sounds to me likel…you are just ignorant. It seems you have no real personal evidence that BM can’t dps. Just because you have no personal luck with BM dps, doesn’t mean someone else can’t be good at it.”
A-Freaking-Men.
I have seen and beaten plenty an SV hunter by a wide margin on raids. I raid with Skoll/Loque and still do just fine. I raid just fine. So I agree with what you said.
an idea i had, for anyone that has ever played guildwars, is like the zaishen menagerie. its like a giant instanced zoo that u can show a pet to an npc and theskin shows up on the island zoo where it can be tamed. i think this would solve many problems, if not for all skins open it up to where its an “island stable” where u c an see ur pets run around, with their names, and choose which one u want to go with u
@ Pikaley
With so many hunters, I think they’d kind of hurt the instance stables. Let’s say every hunter has 5 pets. Now let’s say that half the people who play WoW, have a hunter alt SOMEWHERE. That’s a heckuva lotpets, right?
THe codings might be evil too. I still want it to be like mounts and mini pets where you get a “stone” let’s say. This stone is your ‘Wildstone’ or ‘Tamingstone’ just to give it a name. Now, every time you tame a pet, part of it gets bound to your stone. So, all you’d have to do is bring up the menu, (akin to mini-pets and mounts), pick your pet, and voila. You still can only have one pet out with you, but when you dismiss it, it reverts to your stone and you have ‘no pets with you.’ and can tame what you want.
This helps the whole wandering out, and you see a neat rare spawn but you jsut CAN’T abandon your precious Fluffy. Yes, the Call Stables works, but it helps the extra stables space as well.
Just putting ideas out.
-Fire
*Chuckles* My fights with SV in PvP are interesting. The baddies, as it were, I can usually beat without the need of my pet. The good or geared ones, a lot of it comes down to how fast I can get my pet onto them. And the good AND good geared ones I have to be on my toes. But I never really feel like it’s an impossible battle. After the initial “Where’d my hit points go?!” feeling I mark and sting them, then feign and arcane. I usually have to retarget at that point, due to the good ones feigning, but it’s pretty interesting. A lot of it also boils down to whether or not BW is on cooldown.
So yea, a little behind, but so far from not being viable.
Beastcleave is still viable, of course, so definitely don’t be writing off BM completely.
Firewing: You’re assuming way too much. Even if half the players in WoW had a hunter alt, I seriously doubt that even 25% of them would have 5 pets. Most players who do not play Hunter as a main and only play it as an alt have 1 pet. Maybe 2.
But you are right about instance servers being pushed regardless of pets.
Also I don’t think Hunters should be able to tame willy-nilly. While 5 certainly isn’t enough given our choices, I don’t think we should say ‘OK you can pick 15 pets and thats it.” 7 is a reasonable number in my opinion.
Hunters, regardless of spec, are supposed to be about the hunter and his pet. You’re supposed to have a relationship with it, that’s the whole reasoning behind the “5 levels behind you” thing. That’s why they don’t auto level.
Also, the pet system is being reworked. Currently on the PTR, you can call stabled pet every 5 mins. That’s pretty convinent in my opinion. It’s literally like having your choice of any of your tamed companions at any time. Because if you really need instantaneous pet calling lower than every 5 mins….well…you might need some help @_@
But again, the point is is that we don’t need summoning stones, or pet “tabs” like companion pets. We’ve got a portable _stable_ available every 5 mins. AND it resets if you change specs. I mean, c’mon. What more could you want?
Other than more stable slots of course ;)
BM spec is not all that bad. sure it might not be the ‘best’ raiding spec but its not as bad as people make it out to be. My hunter is has ok gear, not great still a few blues and ilevel 200 epics and yet i was only behind a survival hunter with way better gear than me by about 400 dps. I even suprised one of the raid members in VOA (pug) who at the start called me a noob for raiding as BM spec. I outdpsed him on every fight including the trash and was 3rd overall on dps. Yes BM could use a few buffs in places, but i will always be BM because i like that spec. I play to have fun and i like playing BM.
Well, at current moment I have a wolf for the MM spec, my red lynx from the early days, Loq’, Gondria, and Skol. With this spirit bear coming, Gondria gets the boot, and my search for King Krush is put on hold, unless we get more slots, which I don’t think we’ll get. I would like to get the king, but..
But Rikakuuuuu moar pet slots is win :<
tho granted bringing alot of retired pets out of retierment would be win too; I would perfer a bear on Ryai, and shove a Hydra onto a couple alts. But alas I can't :/
tho granted I doubt I could stand Aurelius on anything but a cow. My god running around in Dal and half the time I can't see anything when I have her out. That's another thing, I don't mind my pets being big, because pvp wise sometimes that is my edge. I mean I scared the hell out of a ganking drood by just showing up with GIANT WASP PET.
But now getting self concious when I ddo come out and raid a bit; Aurelius is just so big, and Jareth can sometimes get as big, as a boss, or I bet, probably cause problems for melee dps/tanks. I mean before I didn't put any mind to it, cause I didn't care.
Cause I was selfish and liek mah pets big; but now when I even have trouble clicking a boss sometimes, that can't be good.
I know there's an item called 'Baby Spice' and you get it by doing Dal cooking dailies, but, could it be made to last longer on your pet, when you, yourself throw some onto your own pet?
Anyways back to pet slots; I agree that maybe 15 is to much, but, 7/8 slots would be fine. Because it's not really just about people having filled stables, but possibly, a stable full of retired creatures. Cause mean there's ghost wolf, Gezz, Hydralisk, Ghostdile and Crocoslime. Oh and the Sapphire Hive Queen [btw did Blizzard ever say -why- she was retired?]. Now I know that's not a good enough reason for pet slot/stable additions because I bet as few as 1%~ of the hunter comunity on any given server, have a retired pet. It's also the hard to find, pets, not just the rares, but the rare of the rares, aka Mosh, Loque, STD cat, etc, I mean, I've not even seen Aotona in person in the wild; and barely have seen it 2/3 times on various hunters [more than Krush lol].
Then also pet sentimentality; aka you caught a pet that by all reasons is common, but this pet is special to you and you don't want to release it [aka like with me and King Mosh].
So while you may not have a full stable, you could possibly be faced with a stable full of pets you just can't release, leaving you very few slots. Especially if you're dual specc and one is BM and the other is not; there are also very few lv 80 pets, whether BM or not.
There's also Cat and the posibility for probably atleast 2-4 new pet families and atleast a handful of new skins.
This is why I do hope they give atleast one more stable slot, or possibly 2/3, because Ryai is at a hinderance with 2 retired pets, 1 special pet and Skoll and Loque.
[btw after the first line, this isn't really 'directed at you' Rikaku :p]
I cannot fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind this bear to tame him. =*(
My problem with spirit beasts is that they arnt really exotic pets. Not based on its skills anyways. what makes exotics so special and different from normal pets is its dual special attack abilities. last i checked spirit beasts only have 1. (spirit strike)PROWL is not a special ability. Normal cats have PROWL & rake. does that make them exotic? No! but some how Sb’s with SS & prowl is diferent.
So.. I say either remove the exoict status from spirit beasts making them available to any hunter tree or revamp its abilities to reflect that of a real exotic. get rid of prowl all togehter. obviously the best thing to do would be to couple SS with the beasts repective pet family skills. loq&gondria should have SS&rake, skoll should have SS&FH. etcetc. if that happened the pet would be OP compaired to normal cats and wolves, but thats kind of the point to exotics. they are op pets. as of right now a bm with a normal wolf will be head and shoulders above a bm with skoll in a raid. ass backwards comes to mind.
blizz’s logic for keeping Spirit beast so gimped dps wise is that they look so cool and if they were also the top dps pet everyone would qq day and night about them being so rare and hard to get. yea.. so? the best dps gear and weapons are really hard to get to too. the very best dropping off the games hardest raid bosses. not everyone will be able to get thier hands on them. atleast with spirit beasts the games newest hunter whome doesnt raid or pvp has a fair chance at taming one if he or she gets lucky.
lol jesus i need more stable slots
I think Blizz should have all rare mobs spawn constantly during PTR. How are we supposed to test them if we can’t find them? Besides, it’s not like we get to keep them if we tame something. They can wipe the servers at any second. =X
Wildlife:
“viously the best thing to do would be to couple SS with the beasts repective pet family skills. loq&gondria should have SS&rake, skoll should have SS&FH. etcetc. if that happened the pet would be OP compaired to normal cats and wolves, but thats kind of the point to exotics”
I completely disagree. That is not the point of Exotics. Exotics are just supposed to be “cooler unique pets” that normal hunters can’t tame. There is no reasoning whatsoever that they’re about “better attacks”. While the Devilsaur is arguably Raptor +1 and Silithid = Spider+1, show me the other Exotics and who their skill is “better than”.
Blizz’s logic applies to ALL exotics. The point of exotics was never “make them better pets then every other pet”, that was exactly what Blizzard was avoiding. The only thing about is exotics is “here, now you can tame these guys too.” That’s it. Beastmastery is mostly aimed at the 4 extra talent points, not uber pets. The point of Exotics was to not have the best pets in the game, otherwise everyone would be pigeonholed into BM if they did that. And I don’t mind exotics not being the supreme top pet. I’d like them competitive, but I’d also like to stay away from the cookie cutter spec & pet ordeals.
“My problem with spirit beasts is that they arnt really exotic pets. Not based on its skills anyways. what makes exotics so special and different from normal pets is its dual special attack abilities.”
What dual attack abilities do other exotics have that Spirit Beasts don’t? Devilsaurs with their Monstrous Bite and…Bite? Or maybe Corehounds with Lava Breath and… Bite? None of the other exotics have ‘dual attacks” other than their family skill and a dump skill.
Spirit Beasts have Claw, Spirit Strike and Prowl. By all means that’s more than the other Exotics. If anything, they’re more exotic then the other families by using your logic.
Just to clarify myself:
“Beastmastery is mostly aimed at the 4 extra talent points, not uber pets.”
I’m talking about Beastmastery the talent being about the 4 extra talent points and not OP exotics.
Beastmastery the spec IS about uber pets, but it’s not what I’m referencing to in this statement.
Hey, serious question. I have been hunting him in the evening and at night…has anyone seen him spawn during this time? Or is he strictly a morning mob?
“obviously the best thing to do would be to couple SS with the beasts repective pet family skills. loq&gondria should have SS&rake, skoll should have SS&FH.”
The reason this will never happen (I am sorry to say) is that in doing so the spirit beasts would simply become so very op. I mean, seriously, having FH and SS with Skoll would not only make him the best dps pet out there, but would also almost guarantee some kind of nerf to BM hunter’s again. Which is exactly what we don’t want them to get. Hate to say it, but spirit beasts will stay the way they are… and all we can hope is that Blizz continues to make BM’s dps increase bit by bit until they are able to raid successfully on a regular basis without being chastised by the rest of the community.
It would be powerful, Livio, but it would NOT be OP. It would put Skoll at the top of the pack as far as pets goes, but tell me, what’s wrong with that? With having a pet have an advantage, ESPECIALLY when you consider that it requires a 51 point talent AND is a rare spawn? Not only that, but if you haven’t noticed, Spirit Strike isn’t scaling well, and currently doesn’t even match rake for damage.
I have tamed him shortly after 7 pm on the PTR. I have been chatting with another player ewho had indications that he was spawning between 10 AM and 11AM.
I have to say that I have tamed him after a reset which I did not note. I thought perhapse, the spawn time was related to server restart rather then server time.
Let me know if you can figure out the spawn time.
Oh he shrinks a little when you tame him and he does not seem to pounce like skoll gondria and loque.
Ty Zeke. <3 I'm tyrin to collect some timer data so I can get around to finding one for myself. T^T
Rare spawns do in fact have a set timer that is always reset when the server restart, and is in no way tied to the server time.
“It would put Skoll at the top of the pack as far as pets goes, but tell me, what’s wrong with that?”
Well, even if you don’t think it would be OP, which I still believe it would be by a bit, Blizzard has stated numerous times that it didn’t want to force players to camp for something this rare in order to have the top dps pet. Which, I must say, I also agree with. I personally don’t mind the camp for these rare tames, but I know a lot of people do, and I think it would be very unfair to a lot of people if this were to be the case. Not to mention that Skoll would be even more ridiculous to camp than he currently is.
How would it be so OP? Answer me that. Would it really rocket your pet into such a dangerous place as far as DPS goes? No. It would definitely put it ahead of normal pets, and maybe even boost hunter DPS by a hundred or so in raids, but that is hardly ground breaking. Your idea of OP and mine appear to be vastly different. OP would be a ten second snare on a twenty second cooldown. OP would be a massive damaging ability independent of the hunter. OP would NOT be a DPS boost coupled with a poorly scale damage ability. And yes, Blizzard HAS stated that. They also stated, many years ago, that paladins and shaman would never be in the same group together, and you see how that held together. Making exotics WORTH the 51 point talent wouldn’t be game breaking. Give us SOME good reason for taking the 51 point talent. For the record, I am not saying that this is necessarily the best answer to the problem. It is one possible solution. But here or there, the problem remains that BM DPS is still just a bit to far behind SV and MM.
As far as that goes, I am not disagreeing with you, you shouldn’t have to farm a rare spawn for a top DPS pet, but Spirit beasts aren’t even that in their current state. To be honest, and anyone who knows me on this site will back me up here, I have always said that the spirit beast family being made up of nothing but rare spawns, and rare spawns with good loot drops AND an achievement attached! Were a bad idea. But what I am saying is that Spirit beasts need SOMETHING to make them different and more desirable. The family ability on top of spirit strike was just one idea, and I invite you to think of more that aren’t as ‘OP’ as you seem to think that idea would be.
I’m tired of people wailing Op.
There was a Shammy QQing the other day or more in the hunter forum cause you know heaven forbid hunters are actually going to become a bit better, possibly, in pvp with the focus change.
Now this for Skoll. HOW would it be op? Cause seriously yes FH could in theory be spammed ever 8 seconds [20 second uptime, 28 second downtime for BM hunters, so with 8~ish seconds in between possible spam times..], but the thing is you’d have to have it macro’d so perfectly, to have enough focus for it to dump, with Claw/SS going off every time possible, and even with max regen possible, in BM and MM tree, there’s still the rationality that no it’s not going to be able to go off every damn time it’s available.
Hell if Skoll was that powerful it’d make me feel even better about being BM, and about getting him, not that I don’t feel that special as it is, about snagging him. but I’d take him into dungeons more than just a ‘break from my insanely large Devilsaur that fills my screen all the time’
And you know what’s Op? Explosive shot.
It hits for base damage; then has two ticks. Which can crit. There’s also a talent for SV hunters that allow them to get off two Explosive shots. Each with a chance of criting. So right there. Right. There. SV hunters can do massive damage, in the time it would take a BM hunter to get off 2 shots with arcane shot.
Going by your reasoning, that already makes Explosive shot ‘Over Powered’ :/
/sigh
@Shinryu Masaki
Duh. I’m trying to figure out what his timer is. Although, this maybe be a bit difficult, as the ptr servers are always in flux.
I have now realized something more important than stable slots.
Mend. Pet. Needs. To. Heal. More.
I finally got a run on Ryai and my lock for ToC [hc] [the 5 man]. Saw on Zel, hey HUNTER GEAR. IS IT WORTH IT? I talked with Aria, then checked wowwiki, and saw yes, yes it is, 3/4 things drop that would really, really help Ryai out- especially a chest to replace her BoE Aviary hauburk :v
So get in a group and we go.
Jareth dies.
Jareth Dies again.
Ok this is just on the rollercoaster ride of the first phase of the first fight but. Anyways; I manage to keep Jareth and myself alive thru the second phase and once everyone is ready to go we go and fight the confessor [who still makes me think of Whitemane], then the fun happens.
Jareth, while I’m not looking, starts to take massive damage. Now, with Zeldei, Ghaalum my faithful felpup DID lose SOME hp, about 10K~ish in total BUT he NEVER died during the fight.
I throw mend pet; it starts to fail as I notice Jareth has slipped below 8k. I swore and passived/recalled him and spammed mend pet but by then it was to late; he had 4k then all a sudden it was just gone and he gave a cry and died. I then had to struggle to regain mana, revive, cast mend pet- blamo. Dead. Again.
Then even on the second attempt after I realized JUST HOW DANGEROUS SHE IS. Jareth STILL NEARLY DIED, even when I spammed mend pet AND put him to passive and had called him back to my side.
Mend pet needs to heal more, in instances :/
@Jangalian
I was replying to eZEKIEL, not you. I forgot to mention this, my fault, was tired from a hard day at work. x_x
Though my guesses for his timer would be at least 6 to 8 hours, possibly 10 to 12 hours.
Ryai, did you spec for Improved Mend Pet? It hepls if you have. It only has two points, but even if you only put one, it’s a world of difference. You really, really need it clean the horrible boss debuffs off of your pet, because as good as some healers are, they can be narrowminded about our furry (slimy, scaly, spiked or whatever) friends.
@Shinryu Masaki
Sorry, I’m a redhead with a temper to match. =) I just CANNOT find this bear at all. I even got up at 6am to see if he would spawn before work, and no, he didn’t. It’s the epitome of frustration. >_< If you see me, I'm Badgerbadger on the pvp server. Come laugh at me. Btw, you're totally forgiven. =)
All I meant by a bit OP is that he would in fact be boosted above all other pets dps if this were to happen, so yes, in that our definitions aren’t exactly on par. I suppose I should stay away from the term OP as it seems to invoke very negative feelings from people a lot of the time. lol. And the thing that makes them desirable is the fact that they are all (depending on your personal preferences) quite badass looking, and generally take a lot of work to actually pin down. I am less concerned about them changing the pet’s family ability at this point, and more focused on what they can do to the BM hunter talent tree in order to bring them up that bit more to make them wanted for raids again.
@Shinryu Masaki
You’ve probably seen me camping if you’re on the pvp server at all. Lol, I’m Badgerbagder. I couldn’t think of a better name. Ahem. I just cannot find this bear. I even got up at 6am to see if he would spawn before work, and no, no he didn’t, the #$%^. Lmao, I’m just a bit frustrated.
I really agree with you Ryai, Mend pet needs to either heal more over time, or heal more in less time. I’d like a boost heal ablity for my pet as well, for those tight times when a HoT just cant do it. (thats not a pet talent spec)
@Jangalian
I am not on any PTR servers, and I will not go there just to try and tame a spectral bear with a vanishing butt. =P
I’m hoping that at some point, Mend Pet scales off of gear or something. I don’t know how they could configure that, but maybe off the Hunters stamina (since pets will soon scale off our stamina as well) and thus be a tad more helpful?
Mend Pet sucks. Simply put.
I totally agree, Rikaku… Mend Pet does not exactly provide much use in a lot of boss fights, and you have to rely too heavily on healer’s who often forget that our pet helps to provide a good bit of our dps.
*Chuckles* That’s something else I have been waving a banner about for a long time now. Would it friggin’ kill them to make mend pet scale off of AP? Gift of the Naaru does!
And you actually, unintentionally, hit upon another sore spot, Livio. Right now, by and large, beast mastery is basically just visually appealing talent. It gives us access to some really cool looking pets! And that’s about it. Don’t get me wrong, I love my exotics, and wouldn’t trade them, but Blizzards argument of “The meat of the talent is in those four points.” Doesn’t hold water. Why shouldn’t the exotics themselves be better then normal pets? Because it would pigeonhole us? Even with that theory firmly in mind, why not make the talent itself grant a basic % increase to stats of some sort? That would boost all pet types, and make the talent more desirable.
I’m not trying to pick on you Livio, I apologize if it seems that way. I do understand why you think that giving Skoll spirit strike and furious howl would make him desirable ((Though I think the cats might have an edge in DPS if it came down to brass tacks)) but I really, really don’t like the rarest pet family in the game just being eye candy.
Livio:
That’s a very good point. I mean, normally I don’t have to worry about my pet in raids courtesy of our guilds army of Resto shammies, but the second they’re not in a raid.
“NOOO MY KITTY!!!!!!!!!!”
For my double, a bit more rant. *Takes a deep breath* MEND PET IS THE ONLY HEALING SPELL IN THE GAME THAT DOESN’T SCALE!!!!! Even the DEATH KNIGHT version of mend pet scales! Even the death knight version of “I’ma eat my pet!” SCALES!!! GIFT OF THE !@#$ING NAARU SCALES!!! A racial ability! Warlocks funnel life not only scales with spellpower, but with haste! And this is okay?! NO! It wasn’t okay five years ago, and it isn’t okay now! I shudder to think what is going to happen to this ability when we go focus.
@Palla-Heh heh, don’t sweat it, my friend. I like the idea of adding a boost to exotics with that particular talent, but that would still be a change made to the talent tree, which is what I think needs to be done in order to fix this little exotic problem. I am not trying to say that each SB having it’s family tree wouldn’t be cool, but simply that it is impractical to demand that when it really wouldn’t fix the issue of all other exotics then falling behind.
I like the idea of a Spirit Beast Bear, I think next they should do Spirit Beast Gazelle, they were second only to the Zevra for beasts I wanted to tame when I first hit the Barrens!
@ Jang; I ALWAYS have imp mend pet. And it wasn’t ‘green aura of death’ that got my pet. It was the OTHER THING IT KEPT SPAMMING. PEW PEW LIGHT OF PEW and just, my god it was HORRIBLE. imp mend pet doesn’t increase health healed or anything of the sort, it doesn’t increase haste of the ticks, it doesn’t crit, it does nothing, the problem was NOT damage over time but the fact mend pet could NOT heal my pet NOR heal the damage Jareth was taking!
And I am in no way saying it was the healer’s fault in this either, we were unable to get a healer so the druid, kindly offered to switch to resto and attempt it. And it was a struggle as he evidently wasn’t used to healing still or was still learning, so I am not going to demand a healer to keep my pet alive.
As much as I love it when they throw a heal my pets way, or are even nicer, revive my pet for me when I’m oom, I know it shouldn’t be their job to keep my pet alive. I shouldn’t have to rely on them for 50% or more, healing of my pet. The healer shouldn’t have to heal my pet, unless you know the tank wasn’t in danger and he saw the hunter was oom/near oom or something and well here have a side of CRIT HEAL.
Or shield-heal. Or something.
And also I realized why my felpup didn’t die, while Jareth did. It’s not just because of Mend Fail. It’s because while Zel isn’t Demo, I specced Demo enough for the Fel Synergy talent.
Why doesn’t BM have a talent like that? Why can’t Spirit Bond heal more? Why can’t your damaging spells also heal your pet for a fraction or some sort.
WHY.
Actually Ryai, what’s kind of funny is that that ability was originally a tier piece bonus for hunters. I THINK warlocks had a similar ability, but while warlocks garnered the ability as a talent, hunters did not. How this make’s sense is beyond me.
Mania, you might be interested in Blizzards new pet store.
That new pet store is sweet, but I can’t wait to join that debate table ;)
*dances with pandaren monk*
I am reserving my opinion of the pet store for now. If this is as far as it goes, if it’s just cosmetic things like that, then I suppose it is alright. But at the same time, don’t we all already pay a monthly fee? It just seems kind of silly to not include it in game in some way. But as I said, as long as it doesn’t start applying to gear and maybe even gold, it won’t be a real problem.
I am also at sort of a moral crossroads as far as the monk goes. I can’t be outright angry, because that IS a good cause, but it also feels like a hook to me, to get people to buy it. So….meh.
And like I just said in MMO-Champion, didn’t Blizzard just lose China and all of it’s subscribers? And wasn’t that like, the center of operations for every gold seller in the world? *Laughs* There goes how many accounts?
Don’t mean to break into the QQ-fest, but anyone have any news of new spawn points?
QQ-fest. *Raises an eyebrow at Jangalian* Care to explain that little comment, my friend?
And no. If anyone did, they’d have posted it. You can find a more polite way to ask for information.
ADD IT TO PETOPIA PLZ!!!!
Hey, I’m not your friend, pal.
I am trying to decide if your being sarcastic, or if you are being a jerk. Either way, why don’t you try learning some manners? Might do you some good.
Condescending much? =) And I was being playful. That above reply is the intro to an ongoing joke. Wish you had known that…we could have had fun. C’est la vie.
Btw, settle down. You’re too easily ruffled! You should buy a bird.
Palla:
I believe Jangalian is quoting South Park. In one of it’s episodes, 2 canadians fight:
“I’m not your pal, buddy!”
“I’m not your buddy, pal!”
back and forth XD
on a serious subject, I support the whole vanity pet store in the same way I do the achievement system. As long as it grants purely cosmetic things and nothing stat-enhancing or produces an advantage over other users, I’m all for it.
I say if you like it, buy it. If not, don’t. I’m pleased as punch to donate and purchase a pet, but that’s me. I made the choice to and Im happy with it. And as someone who has a sentimental heart and sympathetic ear to the Make a Wish foundation, I was happy to.
And on the gold-seller topic:
I think some have branches out here (IGN gaming is NA based isn’t it?) but as far as my realm goes there hasn’t been much goldseller or farmer problems, so perhaps it’s hard to say how bad things are.
@Rikaku
Ty for seein that joke! =D I’m not alone in the barren and hostile world. I did buy the panadren. I like it, it’s adorable, and I feel as if I justify my purchase by knowing that half the profits go to a good cause. /shrug Whatever works for however you portray the situation, I suppose.
Keep in mind, sure, a lot of goldsellers are chinese or asian-based, but the local goldseller in trade chat might be a frat boy from Jersey who hacked someone’s account and pawned all thier crap. Or it could be a kid who earns more farming gold in a virtual world that his whole family does farming rice patties. A certain level of percieved pity/disgust keeps me on the cusp of buying/hating gold spammers constantly.
Then I apologize Jang, I was being overly sensitive. I hope you can forgive me for that. I’m a little…..tense right now. Doesn’t forgive me for being a jerk though, I am sorry.
And that’s what I am saying, Rikaku. As long as it is just limited to cosmetics it’s fine. But I think this is one of those things were we’ll have to sit back and see, and just enjoy it.
And yes, it’s a good thing to donate to. Nothing wrong with that at all, it just feel’s kind of weird to me.
I really just wish goldsellers would disappear all together. Wouldn’t bother me in the least. *Laughs*
Jang:
South Park has been a staple part of my diet for years ;) I manage to fit it in between my bouts of CSI, Law & Order, House, Trauma, Cops, Cold Case, and Bones.
Can you tell I’m a CJ Major? XDDD
Palla:
You know, I’m not usually a defender of Blizzard, as you know, but I think they’re going to make a fair call on this. I mean, they realize this is still a scary step, but I don’t think they’ll do something to jeopardize the life of their cash cow. After all, without WoW, how will they fund Diablo 3? ;)
But seriously, it is no different than the trading card game or buying Blizzcon tickets. You spend money on optional bonuses which increases their profit, and in exchange you get some shiny new mount or mini-pet, something that does not enhance your game play in any way as such items(mounts and pets) are obtainable by all and do not give you an advantage. It’s something that’s been prevalent for awhile now, so I mean, if minipet store is just too much for you, then stop playing Blizz.
It’s as simple as that really XD
Palla:
I’m sure you know my typing style by now, but the “you” I use in the last paragraph is not directly aimed at you. It’s the general “you” ;)
I have stopped paying Blizzard. *Laughs* But I know what you mean. However, I have to disagree with the TCG argument, that at least is a separate game in itself that people play. ((Did play? Is it still popular?)) But I know where you are going with this…..I am not as extreme as most of the people on MMO-Champion. *Laughs* I am also willing to actually QUIT the game if something displeases me, and most of them just won’t.
And actually, a thought occurred to me. Blizzard has another MMO coming up. I realize now part of the reason for the immigration to the new log in system…..Blizzard realizes that probably the biggest aspect of their game is the social one. So I’ve the feeling you’ll be able to transfer your friends lists from WoW, to the currently un-named MMO. Now here is where I am just speculating……would Blizzard be competing with itself if it had two big name MMO’s up? I wonder what plans they have for WoW after that point? Are they preparing to make it like those free to play Korean MMO’s, one step at a time?
*Shudders* You know…that’s….uh….that’s enough speculation for now.
Palla:
You’re right about the socialization method with the battle.net. But I’m not so sure it’s because of the new MMO. Keep in mind Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 will soon make their appearance, so I think it was more for that reason.
WoW free to play? Doubtful. Even with a new MMO up, there’s not exactly a guarantee that it’ll be a huge success; so much so it kills WoW to a free-to play point. WoW did something pretty amazing, it grabbed players who didn’t even know it’s previous franchises and got them into playing MMO’s. It’s not extremely often that pay-to-play MMO’s are like that.
I really thought Aion *might’ve* dented WoW’s population, but if anything, Aion made me realize just how well Blizzard runs their business in comparison to NCsoft XD
Oh I know it’s doubtful Rikaku, I was just…..musing to myself. After all, this is Blizzard we are talking about, and they are totally unwilling to let go of money if they can help it at all.
Aion DID dent the population, but not by a huge number. Part of the problem with Aion, and this is something I hit on earlier, is that it doesn’t have that built in player base. That isn’t the only problem, of course, but it’s a huge one. People have guilds in WoW, they have friendships and families. No one wants to leave that behind to try something else.
WoW also took away a lot of the grind of leveling. Not all of it, but it was far less grindy, and I have to tell you that it was so much easier to level up in WoW then it was in Everquest or FFXI. The world was also more engaging to me personally. Everquest II was actually pretty fun as well, but it didn’t have that same feeling as when I first created and stepped into my paladin in Northshire…..
NC Soft….they’ve had some good ideas in the past. Earth and Beyond, Auto Assault, wonderful games with great concepts that they just never ran with, and ended up losing them. I may have a lot of negative things to say about Blizzard, but they are close to the top of the barrel as far as actually taking care of their game goes.
You know….I have a sudden urge to make a lowby hunter and just play. Anyone got any realm suggestions?
The thing that gets my goat is Blizzard saying that “Hunters need to stop relying on their pets”. Um, hello? The entire point of being a Hunter is to fight alongside a beast. He keeps the target away from you while you pump it full of arrows/lead. No matter how you spec, a pet is a very large and important part of your DPS. If Blizzard doesn’t want us relying on our pets, then just get rid of them and give us more ways to keep enemies away while we shoot them along with boosting our damage.
And the whole “The 4 extra points are the true meat of the talent”. Baloney. All that means is I can give my pet a little more health or make him last two seconds longer against a magic-flinger. If a pet is going to be tameable only with completely filling out a tree (especially a tree that gives us little else to work with), then it damn well better be “better” than a pet every Hunter and his mother can tame. My Devilsaur should be capable of pumping out mega-damage and taking a ton of punishment, because then Beast Masters will be more on par with Marksmen and Survivalists. Nerfing one of the core abilities of BM was also a really stupid idea. It’s clear that Bliz has no idea what they want to do with the BM spec.
What I would love to see implemented is a way for Hunters to put armors on their pets. Head/Body/Limbs slots, each with a variety of possibilities (on the Head slot, you can put standard defensive armor, or armor which grants various effects like poisoning the target when the pet bites or adding elemental damage to each hit [only applicable to pets with Bite, and the same applies to Limb armor and pets with Claw/Smack], increasing hit rating, draining enemy health to replenish the pet’s, etc. And with the Body armor slot you can give them spiked armor that has the effect of a permanent Thorns enchantment or increases the pet’s physical damage. The Limbs armor slot would have armors that increase the run speed, have a change of something on hit, etc). And the armor would show on the pet, so you could have a normal Wolf that resembles the Battle Worgs you can tame in Hellfire Citadel, or a Devilsaur that looked like he stepped out of the Dino-Riders toy line (minus the freaky aliens and laser cannons).
Replying to petopia without a mouse is challenging, but, atleast it’s the easiest of the things I can do right now. Just glad the mouse didn’t die completely on me during wow last night.
Anyways I read the mmo thread a bit, for the buyable pets from the new shop, and it just amazed me at how well idiotic some of the complainers are; they’re complaining about BoA pets, that you can buy for what 10 dollars, each, and half the proceeds of one goes to a charity? Score- you get a pet and do a good deed. But people were complaining about this or insulting the charity and just look, dude, how many people really go and give to charity. I would love to, but don’t have the money to spare all the time and in the end it feels like what little you do give, wouldn’t add up, right? So it makes you even more reluctant to donate because well what if they snicker at you because all you can spare at the time is five bucks?
Here, you basically spending 5 bucks on a pet, and giving the same amount to a charity. No different than the yogurt company that donates what 1/3rd their profits to fighting breast cancer in women? Epic.
Then this opens up a whole new can of worms, what if they finaly introduce a murloc pet that isn’t expensive, isn’t hard to obtain, or no longer obtainable? Mean orange might not be the best color out there, but it is the last baby skin not ingame as of yet- what about also reintroducing collectors edition pets? I mean I don’t want a Lurky, Aria and those EU side who went thru hell deserve the little murloc, but the netherwhelp? I want one so bad; I got into WoW BEFORE I knew about collectors edition pets. Or even new whelps. Or other pets.
And maybe possibly TCG pets? I would love a sane way to obtain a hippogriff baby and cheaper than the 400+ I’ve seen at times on ebay.
That’s another thing that annoyed me, people complaining about the price of the pandaren monk and little KT, yet, the prices are dirt cheap compared to the fact that it would take 10 times that amount to buy one TCG pet, or 50 times, to buy a mount.
Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo finally. I tamed a spirit bear this morning, on the pvp server, at 9:39 est. /dances wildly
WOOP WOOP, 7:17 AM server time Broxinar.
Location 31.19,55.84 is his spawn point.
Spawn times can vary during the hour, so far I know of these;
:08
:17
:39
:55
He can pop at any time, and with the tames I have witnessed, and those I have talked too, the spawn rate leans more towards 10-12 hour timer, BUT it could be longer.
Hey Jangalian, aka Badgerbadger, Minxa waves hello 8-)…
Augh! It’s you! /wavewave Did you find a bear yet? Oh, I’ll post pics when I get home. =)
Sounds like the spirit bear has a really long timer just like Skoll. He probably doesn’t spawn like Loque (aka at specific times).
Lol, sorry Locutus, I’m really really unobservant in the mornings. >_<' My mind wanders until I've had my russian grey. Congrats on taming the ghost bear!
Oh btw, to the person who asked if you can see his face through his butt, no you can't. Blizz kindly deleted those polygons, so all you can really see is the shape of his ears. I'll post pics when I get home.
@mitsuhide
thats one thing ive been wanting for a long time too, just with blizz’s record i dont see them making so many models of each tamable and armor. What might be more feasible [and easier for blizz] would be instead of 3-4 slots would be 1 armor slot that could be 1 piece of armor [head or limb, etc] or 1 slot that would cover their whole body either way id love to s ee something like that implemented
Btw, someone asked if you can see his face through his butt, and no, you can’t. I’ll post pics when I get home again. Blizz kindly realized our plight of not knowing which way the pet is facing, and hide the ‘face’ pixels from the back side. You can only see the shape of his ears. ^-^
Locutus, I’m so sorry, I’m functionally brain dead in the morning. If I had read one post up, I’d have realized you already got him. Congrats!
@Mitsuhide
I have said this same thing REPEATEDLY at every single hunter questionnaire that Blizz tosses out. What do BM hunters want? Armor. We are sending our PETS, our dps-boosters, into battle with very fatal consequences. Even if they only gave us a few choices of armor, like spiked collars or face plates, as long as those items gives us a boost in stats it would be fantastic. They could like, just even make a few textures, like one or two collars, and test the waters with it.
Armor could give us more stam, or armor, or +healing to our mend pet…armor could act like a pet glyph.
Heck there could be armor drops specifically for pets. Bring something new into the game for pets and partners. 8-)
Jang is right, hunters have been asking for armor or accessories for pets for years. At this point I don’t even care about looks, just stats. It doesn’t have to change our pets looks in anyway, just give’em a boost.
Bad idea. Bad, bad, HORRIBLE idea. If this affect how loot would drop, hunters would be forever barred from all instances. Unless the pet gear drops wouldn’t affect the normal loot table drop….can you see the reaction the group would have if the hunter got gear for both us, AND our pets?
It would be okay if it was JUST craftable, then no one could cry about hunters getting more gear than normal.
I see all this as nothing but silliness. Why?
1 Some time ago (can’t remember atm the exact month) this year, a Blizzard spokesman (Ghostcrawler) made a statement, that is short, basically said that the reason they had or were at the time restructuring the hunter talent trees was because ” They did not like seeing everyone gravitating to the one BM tree (which until then, the majority of people were doing just that). That Blizzard wanted to see a more diverse amount of hunter players! So what did they do? Well as some may remember, players quickly learned that it was then the survival tree that was the new cats meow in raids that would give a player the most dps. All of a sudden the internet was full of all kinds of advise on how to re- talent your hunter into the survival tree. Now the point I’m getting to is… that in both the Marksman tree and the survival tree you cannot have an exotic pet. The ONLY way you can use or even train an exotic, is if you have 51 points into the Beast Mastery talents. And anyone who raids or pvps knows that the beast mastery tree isn’t worth a hoot for either.
Heck, in my opinion, Beast Mastery isn’t worth a hoot even with an exotic pet while doing many of the end game quests or just the heroic instances. The dps sucks in the beast mastery tree period even if you have decent gear. You as a beast Mastery Instance helper are a hindrance and I for one, will not go into a heroic with any hunter in beast mastery. Exotic pet or not!
What I’d like to see (since Blizzard has pretty much lost their collective minds these days) is for all hunters to be able to use an exotic, not just the low dps BM tree hunters. Sure you look cool and get your boasting rights for taking the time to go find and train the exotic, out outside of that! you aren’t’ worthy for end game, and lets face it! Blizzard is and has already gravitated the game for end game.
We hunters are pretty much disliked by other people because they think the hunter has an advantage over them. But those people have never played a hunter that think this either. Yes, I admit that there are certain places in the game the hunter has it easier then lets say a frost mage of the same level, but in end came you as a hunter better have your skills and thinking cap on if you think you’re going to be able to out dps that same mage.
I play one of each class offered by Blizzard, 6 of those are 80s atm and am working on my 7th to be 80 in 10 more levels. But my heart is with my hunter. Yet at present, I am like most others, in that I am speced into the MM tree and use the wolf as my pet. And yes, at present, I routinely out dps those who have stayed in the survival tree, and in both those specs, I will always out dps the BM hunter even if they have a 2100 gear rating with some t-8 and t-9 gear on. In the end, all Blizzard has managed to do was to cause everyone to now gravitate to the MM tree and use one type of pet ( the wolf) if they want the best dps in endgame raids.
So while this new bear is cool looking, it’ll never do me or others like me (end game players) any good to go spend 1k gold to get duel spec, just so I can go get an exotic to be cool looking, since that’s all I’ll be good for if I do that.
All trees should be able to use an exotic in my opinion and not be hindered if they do so like it is now.
But I suppose if Blizzard were to do that, along with letting a hunter be able to train whatever flying mount they wanted and many of the other wants of hunters, then it might just be, that no one would want to play any other class, because being a hunter would be the coolest toon in the game. But as a hunter atm I am not the highest dpser in raids. I get beat out often by the mage, priest and druid of the same gear quality. So I’d say the hunter is the middle dps class while it to me is a toss up between the other three classes. I see those classes consistently out dpsing the DKs, hunters, paladins and warriors. I know my mage and priest will smoke a hunter in dps, even my hunter. But I do like my hunter the best. I do have it duel spec, but not into the bm tree. It’s mm and surv simply because having speced into the BM tree and having an exotic proved to me that while I may look gool with the glowing beast at my side, I’m of no help to the raid party over all.
@Rask
Silliness? Me and another hunter in my guild are, and have remained, beast mastery. Sure, the internet guides recommend the flavor of the month, but with the right gear and a large dose of craftiness, BM can out dps its sister trees.
SV and MM can crank out the dps with min-numbing efficiency, but you have to use your skills to be a good beast master.
Rask:
“The dps sucks in the beast mastery tree period even if you have decent gear. You as a beast Mastery Instance helper are a hindrance and I for one, will not go into a heroic with any hunter in beast mastery. Exotic pet or not!”
I’m going to say this as polietly as I can, but if you think BM can not do DPS and is “a hinderance”, then obviously you are not dealing with good BM hunters. Simply put. I have raided as BM. I have instanced and PvP’d as BM and you know what? 80% of the time, I beat other Hunters regardless of their spec USING a Spirit Beast, don’t get me started on how hard I can beat them with a Wolf.
“All trees should be able to use an exotic in my opinion and not be hindered if they do so like it is now. ”
No. Why does this argument always come up when there’s a new SPIRIT BEAST? I never see anyone tote this argument around when “Oh hey look a rare devilsaur!”. I never saw the “exotics for all specs” argument when King Krush was first found. And you know what? Devilsaurs are the king of dps, so if anything, SV and MM’s should be slamming for Devilsaurs and not SB’s.
“I do have it duel spec, but not into the bm tree. It’s mm and surv simply because having speced into the BM tree and having an exotic proved to me that while I may look gool with the glowing beast at my side, I’m of no help to the raid party over all.”
It’s not like your other Paladin can stop using Ret Aura in favor of something else right? I mean really, when I raid with other hunters, I bring Ferocious Inspiration in which allows a Pally to use a different Aura should they desire, or if they die there is still a damage increasing aura being passed around.
Anyone saying BM doesn’t bring something to a raid obviously doesn’t think outside the box. I’m sorry, but that’s how it seems.
Now I’m not saying you have to be BM, but if you don’t want to play it, fine. But don’t use your justifications for it in such a sense as if it were the bible of Hunters.
Not all BMs are hindrances.
About the armor talk:
Maybe I’m the only hunter, but I would hate hate HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE having armor for my pets. Absolutely hate it.
One: Obtaining it. Yay, more gear for me to compete with the other Hunters over @_@
Two: I’m sure it’d make a gap of certain pets better than other pets even bigger.
Three: (on the cosmetic argument) My wolf tears faces off, he doesn’t need to look pretty while doing it.
Four: Blizzard can’t even get their minds straight about pet-scaling and Hunter itemization, Keep them away from Fluffy please.
@Rikaku
“One: Obtaining it. Yay, more gear for me to compete with the other Hunters over @_@
Two: I’m sure it’d make a gap of certain pets better than other pets even bigger.
Three: (on the cosmetic argument) My wolf tears faces off, he doesn’t need to look pretty while doing it.
Four: Blizzard can’t even get their minds straight about pet-scaling and Hunter itemization, Keep them away from Fluffy please.”
Aaall valid reasons, but my reason is that I want a trex with a fricken lazer beam on its head. >D
Just thought I’d point out that the ret’s +damage and +haste talents were changed long ago to work with any aura.
I had something to say, but Rikaku beat me to it….I will add, however, that beast master tends to be better for moving fights in PvP, due to half of your damage coming from a pet who can move and attack at the same time. Also Spirit strike is surprisingly effective thanks to it being a two stage ranged attack. Though I have to tell you it is much more amusing and satisfying to see a devilsaur eating people in PvP…..
And you are right, Rikaku, of course. Blizzard hasn’t gotten stat’s balanced out for this entire expansion……I think I’d hate the resulting stats off of pet armor more then like them.
One of my big wishes, and this is overall, for all of my classes, is for damage output and healing to both be lowered. Both were set way to high for Wrath, both in PvP and PvE.
I raid as BM and I can assure you that my guild finds my presence very helpful. -.-
I belive that if you take time to check out BM and really put some hard work into the spec you will be plesantly surprised by the damage you can do. Im not trying to toot my own horn so to speak but I have been complimented on my damage several times from people who belived what everyone is preaching atm, “BM Sucks.”
/Hugs Volkanas and gives the evil eye
lol
Lol, Well You come out dps me Rikaku in either of my duel spec trees and I for one, will certainly recant. But that simply will not happen at preset, EVER!
How do I know! I’ve worked every tree of my hunters!
And BM doesn’t bring a thing worthwhile into a raid. Oh sure, there are BM hunters attempting to play end game and do so everyday, but those that do, generally do belong to a guild of friends. But no decent grp of pugs is going to want a BM hunter especially if, either a mm or surv hunter is available.
However, I still think that all trees should be able to use exotics. Otherwise nothing is going to happen unless Blizzard gets off thier high horse and gets BM a lil closer to equal to the other specs. Or at the very least make it to where actually having an exotic is truely benificial for a raid party. Right now it simply is not. Or at least not enough to think, well the bm hunter can’t dps so we’re going to have to make up for that loss,but wait! that’s okay, because they have an exotic and it will proc heroism big time for us! But that isn’t the case right now. Exotics bring lilttle to make up for the loss of BM dps that is well needed in most of the end game raids.
No exotic yet, that I have seen or have been into grp with, does enough for raid grps to warrent the bm tree atm. That is my opinion and until I have a BM hunter of same gear level as mine that can out dps me (it won’t happen), I’ll stay to that opinion.
The bear too is a cool looking and good for bragging and boasting rights though. But that is all it is right now like all of them are.
Yes it’s repeted and will continue to be repeted until Blizzard does more than just makes em cool looking.
Rask. Rikaku has already out DPS’d you.
You want to know how she’s already out dps’d you? Because you admit you never group with a BM hunter ever.
So if you never show up- your dps never counts.
Ryai I’ve never been anywhere near you , But I do see who the troll really is here. And no sir, you won’t out do me in any tree, I can say that without ever having been around you, just by going your words here.
This is about an exotic pet that at present is cool looking but still doesn’t show to be anything but that. Not about some personal vendetta you have towards any individual be it me or anyone else. Get with the program yourself troll.
Any news about Arcturis in the last build? i wonder if he still sounds like any regular bear or if they made some spirit-beast-like sounds for him.
Rask:
You’re more than welcome to challenge me on Muradin, but as Ryai pointed out, you don’t group with BM’s, so honestly where do you get off thinking “It won’t matter, I’ll beat you”?
At least with other people I’ve debated with, they’ve brought up facts or screenshots to boast about, but you have done neither.
You don’t even acknowledge the fact that I brought up about what BM do bring to the table, but apparently you’re so wrapped up in your “my paladin must use ret-aura only” thoughts that you don’t think outside the box.
Cause apparently 5.2k+ DPS brought to a raid by a BM is worthless right? Of course of course. Whatever was I thinking? Guess my guild and the other guilds of my friends are insane for wanting a BM, SV and MM hunters in their raids.
And please, please elaborate to me how exotics being available to all Hunters helps BM get more competitive. I mean, you keep saying it so *obviously* it must be true right? Lets see, give a Devilsaur to a SV and… omg get this, against a BM Hunter with a devilsaur they’d still be…the same distance apart.
Yeah, that totally fixed BM alright.
And Blizzard is getting off their lazy ass. They have already stated that pets will scale with gear. That alone, giving BM’s the ability to stack AGI and not just solid AP will help get them even more in the running.
If you want to QQ more over Exotics, go ahead. But that is all you are doing Rask. Being whiny over the whole exotic deal and not addressing any issue whatsoever that others have brought up as a counter-argument.
And I’m done with you.
Rask: You’re the one who basically came here saying BM is worthless/useless/the worst tree ever, etc, etc etc.
To quote.
‘All of a sudden the internet was full of all kinds of advise on how to re- talent your hunter into the survival tree. Now the point I’m getting to is… that in both the Marksman tree and the survival tree you cannot have an exotic pet. The ONLY way you can use or even train an exotic, is if you have 51 points into the Beast Mastery talents. And anyone who raids or pvps knows that the beast mastery tree isn’t worth a hoot for either.’
‘Heck, in my opinion, Beast Mastery isn’t worth a hoot even with an exotic pet while doing many of the end game quests or just the heroic instances. The dps sucks in the beast mastery tree period even if you have decent gear. You as a beast Mastery Instance helper are a hindrance and I for one, will not go into a heroic with any hunter in beast mastery. Exotic pet or not!’
All you sound like is someone who’s been, going out on a limb and using this term but I’ve seen it used recently in cases with people as such as yourself, so, you are acting butthurt because Blizzard introduced a pet you can not use- ignore the fact you have 80+ to choose from as MM/SV or the fact you don’t have to use a pet at all really to increase your dps like a BM hunter does.
Then there’s the fact you admited you openly snub and are a snob to BM hunters, because they ‘bring nothing’ to a raid and because ‘they are worthless dps’ in your opinion basically.
HM.
WASN’T SV LIKE THAT IN TBC. Mean I heard that having more than one SV hunter was useless.
Wow.
But did I go and call people speccing SV or MM useless? Nooooooooooooooooooo.
I also didn’t go ‘oh lul ur not bm so Ima not gonna group with you kk thx bye’.
We know, BM has it’s downside. We KNOW it could be better. But instead of going out and attacking others, like you have attacked BM/people who play it, with your less than witty words, we’ve learned to adapt, to change rotations, trees or pets.
Or heaven forbid maybe we’re BM not because we want to be the best or worst, but because we like the tree. I mean heaven forbid some people actually play wow to have fun.
I don’t grief the hard cores or the raiders or the pvpers, aslong as they don’t grief me or my specc.
Ignoring Rask now: Rikaku, do you pull off 5k buffed or unbuffed? As Ryai’s pulling off 1.5kish unbuffed [outside of AotD] and between 2~3k when buffed right.
I just want to know so I know if I’m really ready to advance past ToC 5man, once I get the purplez from there.
Rask I am afraid you picked a fight with the wrong person, or people as it were. Ryai is well loved and respected here, and she does not like it when people bash her spec. It doesn’t help that you are totally wrong in calling BM worthless, either. A few hundred DPS behind SV or MM does NOT equal worthless, thank you. Though I suppose to some one like you who never learned to control your pet properly it would be more then that, eh?
I am going to ask that you try to refrain from insulting anyone else either by proxy or directly, and I ask that Ryai, you do the same. You have your opinion Rask, and that’s great, but don’t try to force it off onto other people, and don’t insinuate that others are lesser players for picking a spec that they enjoy.
As my double, I love you guys. *Laughs*
I backed off, you don’t need to scold me Palla 8D
you missed your chance!
and well it was less bashing my specc and more bashing those who use it and those who I know here use it.
And how I advised Aria and her mum to use it- atleast for leveling as it is easy to level for beginners.
*cough*
I remember when I used strength items and melee’d, oh man.
I know, I know, I was making sure! I didn’t want to be biased there. I would have told Rikaku, but she might have hit me…..
And I KNOW, I totally missed out on it. Bah. Still and all, let’s try to keep the war to as minimum as possible if we can.
Ryai: 5.2k buffed in 25 mans (and that’s counting food and a pretty decent fight. All fights are different but my average is around 4.5k ish total on raids (there’s so many factors into raiding in any spec, that it varies between time/day/fight/who’s buffing who/ etc etc ;)
Unbuffed I pull about 3.2-3.8k dps depending on which pet I use. Except I do use AotD for my testing. My gear is mostly Conqueror/Windrunner gear with some misc. Ulduar gear.
Don’t feed the troll. He’ll start charging a bridge-crossing fee. =D
Besides, it’s probably just sour grapes on his part, most likely from not being able to even FIND a spirit beast. Pfft. /waves hand
Rikaku: Ee Dx I have a ways to go then for that sort of DPS, still got HC drops from uk/uc/an/vh/yada yada yada…
my server seriously needs to be less elite for linking damn achivements.
Guess I’ll have to get off my cow butt and start doing dal cooking dailies and the daily HC again.
Palla: Wut, Rikaku? She’s our innocent harmless friend :d really.
Really.
Srsly.
And I know and I’ll try but you know how Trolls are, they get people most of the time. Their rage inducing gets the best of us Dx
Ryai:
I’m as innocent as the day I was born. >=D
I wouldn’t worry too much about your DPS if you’re still gathering Heroic gear. I’d say just go for the normal ToC drops. Normal ToC drops stuff that surpasses most Heroic epics honestly. Once you’re decked out in that, go for the H-ToC.
And I hate achievement linking. I find it incredibly stupid. I remember chewing out a few people like 2 days after Koralon came out because they wanted people to link 10m Koralon achievement to get into the 25m. I was like “really? In 48 hours you’re already demanding people to know this fight and have the achievement?” Seriously, give people a chance to learn.
And I have to try too, but as Ryai said….they get to the best of us XD
Rikaku you claim that dps, but you neither have shown proof, so try again. And if you are doing that kind of dps, then you missed the whole thing, simply because if you really do that kind of dps, then you are in full t-10.5 gear, not 2100 gear rating gear. And what! Do you really think I haven’t tried (for quite some time) the BM tree and got the exotics and used them! Do you really think I just out of no where, came into here without having fully experienced the abilities and inabilities of the hunter just to downgrade others that are BM!
If you do, then sorry, but you too missed the points I was making.
I make a choice in the game as to how I play it, just like everyone else does, and in that choice, I also choose to not go into instances with bm hunters of my same level and gear rating, simply because they DO NOT bring the dps or even an exotic pet buff useful enough. Not yet anyway. That is my choice as is it is yours to play the game the way you like.
The point was not about downgrading anything or one but Blizzard! And that point is a valid thing atm. They have juggled and nurfed the hunter so many times, then they bring em back up, that as a hunter (and not saying they haven’t done this with just about every class) we all should feel like the end of a yoyo. This new pet isn’t anything great for a hunter any more than anything else they have done recently to the hunter. Yes, there are some things that are better, but over all, nope.
I don’t’ like the BM tree as is my right and choice not to like and there are valid reasons for it. I play this game everyday. Have spent countless hours in the trees, and reading everything I can, in order to get the most out of each of my classes I play. WHY! Because heaven forbid! I too have fun playing the game. And heaven forbid I have a differing opinion than the masses here. That alone, could also mean I do think out of the box. Imagine that! It’s not my fault most of you take the typed word as a personal thing rather than to see the very true and valid points made. You don’t’ have to come off with numbers of making sure your hit rating is at 8% or you have a bare min of a 540 base defense on a tank at least to be able to say. Blizz needs to pull it together, of which I have been saying.
And no you don’t need any more skills to play BM then you do any other tree! It’s different yes, but that’s it. It’s all just hitting the right keys at the right moment, and for hunters, knowing when and where to control your pet ( can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen hunters cause a wipe just because they didn’t know) and that takes some practice to get it and the timing right, but hardly much skill is involved with the normal human being to be able to punch numbered keys on a keyboard or click a computer mouse on an icon. It’s not a skill to know that a screw generally loosens by turning it counter clockwise and tightens clockwise. But there is some skill in using the tools to do it with and even in that there is little skill needed to do so. What you do need however is knowledge of the way your class plays in wow and that is always on a learning curve since Blizz can’t leave well enough alone.
Rask:
“Rikaku you claim that dps, but you neither have shown proof, so try again. And if you are doing that kind of dps, then you missed the whole thing, simply because if you really do that kind of dps, then you are in full t-10.5 gear, not 2100 gear rating gear.”
You haven’t proven anything either. So your argument is null. My gear rating by the way, is 2604. Feel free to go to WoWhead anytime and challenge it.
Also, I have played SV and MM. However, despite their better DPS, their type of playstyle does not warrant $15 a month from me. So do not mistakenly think I just go “Oh SV sucks, don’t play it.” I CHOOSE to not play it, and that is my right. Just as it is yours to choose to not play with BM. I don’t care about you not playing with BM, if I had my way, I wouldn’t ever group with DKs.
“The point was not about downgrading anything or one but Blizzard!”
Now see, the problem here is, you called BM a “hinderance” in raids. So you did, essentially, downgrade other players whether you meant to or not.
“I don’t’ like the BM tree as is my right and choice not to like and there are valid reasons for it. I play this game everyday. Have spent countless hours in the trees, and reading everything I can, in order to get the most out of each of my classes I play. WHY! Because heaven forbid! I too have fun playing the game. And heaven forbid I have a differing opinion than the masses here. That alone, could also mean I do think out of the box. Imagine that! It’s not my fault most of you take the typed word as a personal thing rather than to see the very true and valid points made.”
No one here has said anything against your playstyle. No one here has said “wow, why won’t you group with BM’s, you better group with BM!” The only reason players like Ryai and myself called you out on that was because you decided to call us “hinderances”. So….yeah that’s pretty self-explanatory.
But my problem is, is that you state “than to see the very true and valid points made”.
What valid points did you make? That a BM hunter in the same tier of gear as an SV hunter will lose? If they’re both as skilled, then yeah. But, we already knew that, that’s old news and yet no one cares. Alot of people are still BM. You claim that we’re a hinderance to raids.
Show me! Give me examples of how thats true. I’m not demanding a screenshot, but give me an example of why. You mentioned a few reasons in your first arguement and they were countered. Counter me back; even now you haven’t stated a reason why BM is such a bad terrible spec that it *hinders* your raid.
Rask, it isn’t about having different opinions. That’s all good and fine, we encourage that here. It’s when you ram it down others peoples throats, and insist that our spec is worthless and doesn’t bring anything to runs that pisses us off. And believe me, it has pissed us off. We don’t proclaim that BM takes some amazing amount of skill to play. In truth it takes the same amount of concentration as any other pet class. But that goes for your beloved MM and SV as well.
You don’t like BM. That’s great, fine, as you said heaven forbid you be different. But you don’t come here and tell us that our spec is basically crap and then expect us to not respond to it. You’ll either show more respect to the posters here, or you’ll be shown the door. Take your pick, but don’t rile us up anymore.
Rikaku? Harmless? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…ha…..ha…oh….you were trying to be serious….
Gear score, rating. Whatever. I’m off to class.
Palla: Whatever do you mean? 0=)
Nuh Rikaku, ignore it, ignore the Troll.
Shun it, shuuun the non beliver Rikaku, shuuuun
/charlie teh unicorn reference
Tho you do bring up another point Rikaku, I didn’t feel comfortable when I specced Ryai MM or SV, I just didn’t like the playstyle or the rotations, so I failed hard. But when I went back to how I originally played Ryai, I was able to do better than I had as SV or MM.
So it’s not just speccs but your comfort zone also- and what’s more fun. And all that.
Etc.
@ Rask: Shoo please- or stop trying to incite fights.
My money is on Rask being Rilgon in disguise! If it’s not him then he has a twin brother out there he didn’t knew about! =O
Nah Shinryu, if it were Rilgon then he’d have been bashing PvP right along with BM.
And oh nothing, my halo-hoisted-by-horns dear. Nothing at all.
Ryai:
Thanks alot. I’ll be saying that all day in class now. XDD
STARFISH REALLY LOVES YOU!!
Shinryu & Palla:
LMAO
I enjoy playing my BM hunter and do alot of raiding and pvp with him and Have no problems getting invites But I also have a SV hunter and yes I have alot of dps but i will never pass on plying with a BM hunter in raids or pvp Having played both for a long time I know my limits on both and playing my BM hunter have out dps the MM/SV hunters many times if you know how to play your spec and play it well then who cares? I like my exotics for my BM My Devilsaur rocks and my hunters all have wolves But like i said before when working with the wolf the FH buff is excellent and does major dps!! but if your trying to take down the target and it takes longer then the buff last then the wolf dps drops down below the cat or raptor and till the CD is over its a tough batte People play what they are comfortable with and theres nothing wrong with it.. If you like playing A MM spec more power to ya but dont put down a spec that you dont think puts out a DPS you do thats why we have choices ob how we hunters want to play
Opps sorry was saying!!
If you like playing MM more power to ya but dont put down a spec because you dont like there dps you think they are putting out well all spec the way we want to play and thats why they gave us the choices!! Man my brain needs a vacation work and homework is all i do lol
Jang:
I know, I learned. I have stopped now. XDD I just couldn’t help myself for a moment.
Sigh.. i’ve been reading all this and it gave me a good laugh, which i really REALLY needed today after the visit i had with the doc./ Like a schoolyard fight WITH bickering tossed in.
Srsly folk, we all have our play style and enjoy it. ANY spec brings something to a raid. Yes i am a BM spec and have been since the day i hit 10. Over 2 yrs ago. I’ve seen the ups and downs of being both cheered and mocked as a BM hunter. I can handle all the instances i’ve gone into and come out enjoying myself. Lately i’ve done some Uld 10 and Naxx 25. No i’m not using an SB but i AM using a good pet. MY Sparkalot may die still, but she has shown her worth many times with Roar of Recovery and my shot rotation choice. Yes i can crit around 15k when buffed out good. But even though i’m not at the top of the charts. I’m being praised for being there when the MT AND OT have dropped and the boss is bout to wipe everyone and i can kite him those last couple of thousand points to drop him. No i’m not the best geared, but i use what i have to my full advantage and hopefull potential.
So everyone, have a Coke and a smile, n PLAY FOR FUN!!
ops. i keep fergettin. actuall toon spelling is Knyghtlander
I’m just going to say this. IF you’re using top end gear Rask, then a good BM hunter will NOT have a gear score similar to you, if anything it will be lessened b/c he has to think about his stats b/c of poor scaling, Higher gear score pieces do very little to help with the DPS of a BM, and if anything hinders it BECAUSE of pet scaling, so Gear score does not always mean “UBER LEET NESS THAT MAKES ME GO BOOM!!” yeah, that’s about it
um hello?!? get back on topic please!
put this fella on petopia please it needs an update drastically
I belive the best number I’ve cranked out so far was 5.8k but ima hit up my home girl and ask her cause she has the numbers.
Yeah BM is my prefered raiding spec and I just like to have fun. I want to be competetive and still have fun…I didn’t think that was to much to ask. And as of friday of last week I had out DPS’ed everyone else in a 25 man as BM, a day that I have been looking forward to for a while.
NOT that I am trying to show up others or that I want to be the “top dog” It was a personal goal I set for myself a while back and as of Oct 30th I finnaly hit that.
I know there are others out there that could stomp me with 6.5K plus but for me be a sole BM raider who spends ALOT of time trying to prefect this lil hunter I was very happy indeed.
So the moral of my little story is to set goals for yourself wether it be BM, SV or MM and HAVE FUN along the way! Enjoy Warcraft folks cuase thats why we pay for it!
Thank you, Knyght. A few of us just got a bit upset that some one was calling our spec crap, we all apologize for the disturbance it caused.
And something to keep in mind is that intelligence will always trump spec. ALWAYS. Show me a badly played SV and a well played BM and I’ll go with the BM. I’ll admit it’s been a long time since I lead instance groups or raid groups, but I did it then, and I’d keep doing it now. And the SV and BM example is just that, an example. It’d be the same with any other pure DPS class, and even hybrids with two damage specs. And that was back when the gaps were LARGER. It’s the same with healers, it’s the same with tanks. You take the person with a brain first. If it comes down to two equally intelligent person…..pick the one you like more. Trust me on that one, it’ll make your runs a lot more fun.
But really, can we just drop the ‘this spec is better then that spec!’ crap? The heirarchy of damage has been decided upon, but better is a very relative term. When I specced survival, I did more damage, but to me it was not a better spec. Some people have the opposite problem. It’s just a matter of who you are, and how you play. Pick what you ENJOY. That is really something that I think a lot of people forget. It doesn’t mean jack if you feel forced, and that DPS meter should not be the only thing that matters in a run to you.
Course on the flip side, use your head. If I, on my warlock, can keep three DoT’s up on three separate targets, keep a fourth target feared, WHILE keeping my succubus on a target to keep it seduced, ALL WITHOUT MODS, then any single person in WoW can keep a target marked, stung, and can correctly time their shots. It’s WoW, it isn’t hard.
(Sorry for the double!)
I think Mania will put it up once it hits live server…at least I think thats how she has done it in the past.
If you would like to know more about him, hit up Mania’s Forums and look for the topic on him. :)
*Chuckles* Zangor, you don’t come here much, do you? The topic at hand is not necessarily the topic to be discussed. And Mania will update Petopia either when she get’s the chance, or when the patch goes live, don’t worry. Mania is a very busy woman, especially of late, so try to have some patience.
yeah poor Mania.
/hug
Palla:
“Course on the flip side, use your head. If I, on my warlock, can keep three DoT’s up on three separate targets, keep a fourth target feared, WHILE keeping my succubus on a target to keep it seduced, ALL WITHOUT MODS, then any single person in WoW can keep a target marked, stung, and can correctly time their shots. It’s WoW, it isn’t hard.”
You are giving some players of WoW (not anyone here, just like some pugs I know) waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit. XD
Yea, I know, we discussed that….b-but it shouldn’t be hard!
Palla:
Heehee XD I know right? You’d think it’d be easy, lol
It ISN’T hard! It isn’t! At all! Not hard! I’d be happy if more people were mediocre to fairly good, but you don’t see it! Ever!
Oh yeah, I totally forgot his PvP bashing! XD
Ah well, was worth a good lauugh. Damn I love you guys, and girls, and whatever else you people are!
Rilgon absolutely hates PvP, and thinks its the stupidest thing in the world, and that it has ruined his PvE. It’s really more the balancing act between Arena, BGs, and PvE with an especially energetic nod to area, but that’s just the way I see it. I still say separate the rule sets for each of them. They have already started, what with not being able to use 15/10 minute cooldowns there, so why not just go whole hog and alter other abilities for it? Focus more on just balancing two aspects of the game, instead of three.
*scratches his chin* Not that it matters to much, I think. If the stats are right, then only about 4% of the overall WoW community seriously arena, and many of the changes lately make me think they are trying to move away from there, and starting to make preparations for rated BGs.
I am glad we have a nice little community here! Cheers Mania, and thanks again!
I think I have a friend, well a friend of a friend of a friend- that plays arena.
Tho have to agree slightly, that Arena and BG breaks pve, and pve breaks BG and Arena. Like say with the paladin LoH move; yes in pvp it is to op, far to op, I know cause I’ve done the exact same thing as the paladins they’ve described, to an extent.
But then it was still nerfed in pve to compensate for pvp instead of just nerfing it for pvp.
Tho guess granted, that perhaps it was a bit to strong in pve but yeah :c
I’m running with this bear in pug’s and I’m telling you, he’s spectacular. F#$%ing TAME him. I’m going to toss either Loque or Gondria right out the door for Arcturis. Pffffffffffft spirit cats. I’m a dwarf, I like bears. He’s like the long lost spirit of my first bear, a black bear named Blackberry. Maybe I’ll pitch both cats, because I will never ever use them again.
I took sum purdy pictures, I will show y’all when I gets home. =B
Jang:
I would tame him, but I get enough of my druids big bear butt. ;)
Lol, thanks to the ghost fading effect, you can barely even see his butt.
Got this guy on the PTR a few hours ago,he is so awsome.found him at same place as
Safrinaer.I also got a video of it.Search for Arcturis on YouTube and u will find it.
The truly funny thing about the BM-basher above is that he states that BM is poor for PvP “isn’t worth a hoot” was the quote.
Anyway, the entire reason for the recent change to Bestial Wrath was because with it, BM was in fact a bit overpowered. Particularly for the Arena. Which demonstrates his knowledge of the topic.
The vast majority of non-BM battleground hunters can be smoked by setting your pet on them and running right at them. I do it all the time… you would be amazed how effective it is.
@Neutrallo- it may have been overpowered ONLY for the arena, but that’s no reason to nerf it the way they did, especially without giving us something to compensate.
Notice how no one gave a damn about BW until the most popular cookie-cutter arena team combo was defeated by another team that happened to have a BM BW-using Hunter? Then the ones who were beaten screamed and cried and whined about it until Blizzard said “Fine, we’ll nerf BW, sorry about that”. For nearly 5 years it was fine the way it was.
Mitsuhide is correct, it worked for the beast cleave team to help make people immune to the insane amounts of CC that RMP could put out. And that eight second nerf seriously hurt BM PvP.
BM is okay in PvP. I won’t lie and say it is amazing, but I also won’t lie and say it is crap. In flat out standing fire fights we’re the worst, but in moving fights, for when people get through a SV’s traps or scattershot or what have you, the BM has the advantage since so much of our damage comes from a separate source that doesn’t have to run away screaming bloody murder whenever a melee ((Or friggin’ frost mage….)) comes charging at them.
Part of the problem as I see it is that hunters in general are the only class that really has to master a second playstyle for PvP. Other classes use slightly different skills ((Or no different skills, class depending)) from PvE to PvP, but in order to be good at PvP, you have to learn to kite. Which actually brings up another thing in my mind…..Blizzard has been fairly consistently giving melee classes anti-kiting tools, or in the Paladins case enough burst to seriously wound or drop a hunter within the time span of a six second stun.
I don’t think the beast cleave team was overpowered. The team composition was made up specifically to counter the most popular team composition in the arena, the RMP. Now here is where I get annoyed. Instead of looking at the popularity of the RMP team, and saying “Oh, hey, you know this comp might be a bit to strong, we should nerf it some.” they said “HOLY !@#$! Someone beat RMP! OVERPOWERED! NERF!” ……my brain still hurt’s thinking about this. BUT at least they got a small nerf in the form of Will of the Forsaken.
jang:
His fading effect is reason #2 why I won’t tame him. Didn’t like the effect on Gondria, don’t care for it here. But that’s me XD
about pvp:
I hate arena all together. Let’s remove it XD
I promised you guys some pics, and here you are. =)
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a65/Autumnhound/WoWScrnShot_110609_021048.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a65/Autumnhound/WoWScrnShot_110609_005814.jpg
Here’s one of the backside of the model, showing that you can barely see his teeth and ears through his ‘butt’.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a65/Autumnhound/WoWScrnShot_110609_190246.jpg
…don’t know why the first one won’t give you a direct link…copy/paste! It’s a great shot! Sorry for the hassle! =D
Oh Rikaku, you know my feelings on the arena. It was a potentially good idea that ended up being all about class imbalances. They could save it, but they won’t.
Tbh I die just as much now with the TBW change as I did before. Even to a PRIEST X_x and it’s not like I don’t know what I’m doing or that I’m unprepared as sometimes it’s me doing the jumping, but it seems to me not to depend even on the fact I’m in several pieces of pvp gear, even BEFORE Ulduar OR TotC/ToC I was getting my face melted.
Bleh.
Tbh what I feel like is really just a omg nerf as Palla says, is the fact that Shaman can summon two wolves for ALMOST a full minute and it has a two minute cd basically- if you ignore the minute or so while the wolves are up.
That’s roughly three times as long, per minute, than TBW :/
Bloody Arena.
As my enhancement shaman, I can beat just about anybody with my spirit wolves. I loves them dearly, and they is nasty. Not to mention FROST SHOCK!!!! *Coughs* Sorry. But yea, my enhancement shaman is a force to be reckoned with, though from what I am hearing a lot of people think they are crap. *frowns* No idea why.
My hunter is sporting an almighty 300 resilience dear Ryai. I hate the stat with a passion unheard of under the sun, and always have. I think it is the most ignorant way to separate PvE gear from PvP gear. The way I see it, if I am willing to vest hundreds of hours into a game in order to get PvP gear, then I damn well should be able to use it and have it perform admirably in PvE. And especially vice versa.
And actually, shadow priests in PvP are nasty. Ew nasty. I don’t have a huge deal with them on me hunter, but most of my melee classes go through hell.
*takes a deep breath* You’ll notice the change the more you get CC’d, Ryai. I spent a lot of my time slowed in one way form or fashion, and the immunity that eight seconds granted me was a god send.
Here is my best piece of advice for a BG, Ryai. Find some one else, and stay behind them. At all times. In fact, find two or three, or five other people. This may sound weird or what have you, but your place is in the middle of a lot of other people, where you can plink away without having to worry to much about using your defensive skills. If some one DOES target you, then you are usually set, since the people around you will all focus fire on the person who just ran into the middle of them. Usually.
Enhancement shaman are crap? It’s funny to hear that cause I’m actually leveling one at the moment. But i’ll tell you what do rule in PvP.
Rogues.
******* rogues.
I hate them, those stabby mofos >=/
Yeah I know Palla, and it’s what I try and do, but you see, unfortunately, alot of horde players that I unfortunately run into for pvp, run off the moment there’s danger, or they ignore the fact you yourself are getting killed and need help.
I mean yeah sometimes I get into a battleground and it’s perfect, I get protected and I’m able to pewpew…
But then all a sudden I realize I’ve been left. Alone. As stall bait and all I can do is whimper as like two rogues and a DK descend upon me.
Cause yeah most of my pvp experience lately, has been me, myself and I. Dx
And ench shammies crap? Who the hell is saying this? I’ve had to 1v1 an ench shammy once, and even tho it was lower levels, we were respectively geared the same AND IT WAS TOUGH. I ALMOST had killed him before he killed me.
I was able to relish the sight of a DK coming and one shotting him with icey touch or blood boil, forget which, as I died.
Oh, and yes, I note it on MMO-Champion every now and again that people tend to think enhancement is bad.
Oh yeah I’m not finished by a long shot. Yeah you’re absolutely correct that in a head to head, same gear type of thing, you can try to send your exotic beast at another hunter of a sv or mm spec and THINK that the exotic is going to make a difference, but a good hunter knows real well and fast how to deal with that and the lack of the bm dps, is what will get the bm hunter killed quick.
I see BM hunters carried in instances all the time. I suspect that is the case most of the time, especially in the early stages of level 80.
Our guild has only 3 bm hunters and yes, we carry them every time, simply because they aren’t and have yet to prove to be able to do the dps needed for the particular instance. A for instance of this was (and it had to be difficult for them just to get to 80 I’m sure) was that we had a girl who leveled in bm, she even got the spirit beast because we helped her get it, Anyway she turned 80 and of course wanted to start heroics! So we put a grp together and took her into h-vh. To make it short, her dps never hit above 400 over all (around 384 was the actual read using recount) and at best, she only could crit at times to about 500. Oh yeah we carried her and she got a few pieces of gear and she continues to be a low dps person on the totem pole even though we’ve tried to help her by enchants, reading everywhere we can find good info for the bm hunter and have her implement that into her toon via said gear and enchants, and yeah we still carry her because we like her. So my claims are valid going by the experiences I have witnessed. And I don’t care if I’m in a group of people who thing they are friends and who don’t’ care for any other spec. or someone actually telling the a truth about that spec. Hell Hitler had all kinds of so called friends too that would back him, but the smart ones knew and still know, that t hey were wrong for the way they were doing.
The dps is what matters in heroics. Not enough there, then it’ll be a wipe for sure.
All this new exotic is, is just another commercial/ advertisement for Blizzard. Looks cool and might get a few more folks going to the BM tree of which they claimed, not more than 5 months ago, that they were trying to get people away from. But hey, there will always be people that will carry the bm hunter so it’s all good. After all, if nothing else, those pets sure look cool.
Now certainly a 5 k 2600-2800 geared bm hunter can go into a naxx where it only really takes a 1900 gear rating and get their 5k dps there. But I want to see a bm hunter do 5 k in a Ulduar 25 with just a 2500 gear score. Just haven’t seen it yet. So while I see claims of 5k dps from a bm hunter, it is for myself and every other person in my guild that heard this claim from here, nothing more than that, a claim. None of us have seen a bm hunter do that yet. And we are all now looking close for one. We are hard at finishing Ulduar and we do pug people into it with us where and when we can. We’ll be specifically, from time to time, looking for that elusive 5k bm hunter.
One more thing. All this has caused me to go ahead and look at your talents on the wow site Rikaku and I have copied them exactly to my now duel speced mm and now bm hunter. I’ll be going after the exotic as soon as I make sure my gear is as yours and then I’m pluggin it into every dps meter I can get my habds on to see if I can get my bm hunter to do 5 to 5,5k dps. I have my doubts but hey! I’ll give it a go. Figure I’m as good a player as anyone else is with the hunter since they are my favorite toon. We’ll see.
Rikaku, my experience with rogues depends almost solely on two factors now: BW and damage dealt. If BW is off cooldown and I get jumped, I now have a pretty good chance, UNLESS they are criticalling me for stupidly large amounts of damage. Unfortunately I don’t have much of a chance to kill the really good rogues, since the second they realize I am capable of fighting back they cloak of skill and then vanish.
I agree with you, Akyo. I had a lot more fun at 70, when people didn’t die so fast. Then again back then I noticed a much larger gap in hit points and in even the more basic match ups, where as now if I think fast enough I feel like I have a better chance then I did at 3.0 time back at 70.
Palla: And back then there were no warriors with like 40-50k hp zerging you and oneshoting/twoshoting you.
Oh my god Dx
And it was so much more fun back then. I remember imp wing clip. I was able to spam it AND RUN AWAY. I was able to actually do stuff! Since I was bad at kiting back then and still am. I have trouble pulling off the jump-spin-shoot deal as not always do I hit concussive shot, or sometimes I spin to much…
Tho kiting seems a bit pointless anyways with all the cc/snares/grabs/etc that can be pulled on you.
Admitedly tho, it is funny when a Ebayed DK tries to cc you while you’re big and red.
God why can’t Blizz just balance PVP or something.
I mean it’s horrible.
Nah, back then you’d see a warrior with 30,000 hit points and just fall over dead before he could even touch you. *Laughs* But it was rare then. As far as the jump spin shot thing goes, I don’t do that. Yes, it’s a very neat trick and it does add an edge, but you don’t really need it for kiting. The trick is to never run backwards. Diagonals are your friend. *Laughs* The basic idea is to literally run circles around whoever is chasing you. One fun thing I love to do to keep melee guessing is to run at them when they approach, wing clip and move behind them, and THEN disengage as they turn.
PvP? Balanced? What is this vanilla? *Laughs* Blizzard stopped trying to balance things years ago, my friend. The original idea was that any class would have a fighting chance against any other class in PvP. But with the advent of arena, that changed. “We are no longer balancing for 1v1!” they said. “Group PvP!” they cried. Yea, whatever. Sounds to me like they want the class imbalance to remain.
Oh and Ryai? Don’t feed the trolls, darlin’.
I know but it incites the rage, the stupidity, it’s just, rage inducing Dx
And I’m not that good, I don’t use the mouse to move around and the keyboard. I run with keyboard and use mouse to click everything. I have tried to move past it but yeah due to that and slight slow reflexes, I kinda just stand there going WHERE DID MY TBW GO- oh there- u r ded.
And joy Arena broke the game :v
Ok to be fair it’s not that I want everything easier or really balanced, but mean, with 400ish or more resil that I have with my pvp gear, I should be able to do something. But it doesn’t work. And it doesn’t work even when I have that on and have nearly 30k
Nothing. Works. Auurg.
I last longer on my warlock when I’ve got my blue blob out. Mean seriously Warlock bubble is over powered- bad as priest shield tbh.
Atleast pvp is fun at lower levels still- especially with twinks being punted for the most part.
Blizzard can’t balance pets for once class. How are they gonna balance all the classes?? lol
Dweezil:
You are absolutely right XD
100% correct, sadly. But at least back in the day they made an effort at balance. Now days if it doesn’t have a huge impact in either arena or end game raid PvE they don’t give a crap.
damn 5 slots is really LOW
they gonna add more n more
based on changes may happen on spirit beasts
(http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/11/07/armchair-designer-exotic-pets-spirit-beasts/)
so its gonna be really stupid to keep stable slots in LOW amount of 5 :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpMc4l9GAZk&annotation_id=annotation_950585&feature=iv#t=40m
this is a tame video and he pounces like all other SB
please note i did not make that video
I’ve decided that I’m not going to read the aftermath of my last post of the haters here. I’ll just place my findings and final assessment.
I went ahead and have done what I said I’d do. I went and speced Beast Mastery and broke out my level 80 devilsaur. I did not change one piece of my gear that I use in MM, except I did put glyphs into the glyph slot of my BM spec. My gear rating going by wow-heros.com is 2116. I used recount as the main dps tool addon and made certain it was put on overall setting and not current setting. I don’t’ use the current setting, simply because it only gives you the particular dps on a single fight, be it 1 npc or 5. While the pet and my toon may crit hard on one npc, the next one, they may not crit as much or maybe not at all and so on. So overall data is the best judgment of dps. The overall gives your average over a whole instance. I tried a few other addons too and while another person may like one of them, I found that recount was closer to a more better judgment, based upon some of the incredibly ridicules numbers I saw out of the others.
I then did a lil math too. but I wont’ bore anyone with it right now. Suffice it so say… that each instance has a min dps level that everyone should be doing, or at least and overall average of it. Each boss has a time limit to burn em down and if you don’t’ get em down in that particular time, then they will enrage and you can then start your trek back from the graveyard.
Anyway on with this.
I can go into great detail into the numbers and the this and thats. But in the end, it doesn’t matter. What I have said here is the truth . Well for myself it’s the truth. I lost a total of over 1800dps going into BM. IE: I went from doing right at 3kdps (oh yeah, when everything pops right, I can crit hard up into the 4ks) down to between 1143 to 1200 dps. This is a substantial loss of dps. So again I’d have to see, with my own eyes, a BM hunter doing anywhere near 5k dps using the tools I have, in the way I have, in order to judge it. At present, going from my experiences, it’s a fallacy. Simply because in two years of playing, I’ve sure not seen it done from a BM hunter and I sure can’t get there atm.
Considering my hunter is a lvl 450 leather worker, I always add my own buff to the raid or instance group using the new “Drums of Forgotten Kings” Which gives all party members an increase of all their stats by 8% for 30 min or I’ll use, “Drums of the wild”, which gives all party and raid members, increasing armor by 750, all attributes by 37 and all resistances by 54 for 1 hour. I always (since I’m also a level 450 cook) put out “fish feast” for everyone which gives the raid members “Restores 22500 health and 19200 mana over 30 sec. If you spend at least 10 seconds eating you will become well fed and gain 80 Attack Power, 46 Spell Power and 40 Stamina for 1 hour.” I place all this text here to cover my point in the end.
Now as far as I can tell, the beast mastery tree does give a few buffs to raid members. Things like: “Ferocious Inspiration” and a couple of others which I put points into. But in the end, loosing that much dps and considering what else I do bring to an instance in the way of buffs, through the above, for me at least, it’s not worth it.
Now even if no one cares why I think it’s not worth it, I’ll tell you anyway. For myself, the fun in the game is two fold at level 80. One is to be able to do the best dps that my gear and knowledge of a particular toon will allow; and in doing so, NO ONE has to carry me and my lack of dps or whatever. Hence, if I know an instance requires everyone to do at least 550dps, I’ll do everything I can, to make sure, that if I am dps, I’ll be doing that, if not more. And the other is (and this goes along with doing the right amount of dps);is to be a help to the raid or instance members and not a hindrance if at all possible. So If I go into an instance and I can’t bring the right amount of dps and knowledge and what I can for buffs, then I personally feel that I have failed those people. IE: You’re only as strong as your weakest link and personally, I don’t want to be that weak link. I’d rather have everyone doing what is needed. This holds true of a group of people no matter what that grps objective is. You for instance sure don’t want someone in your grp in a real war battle that can’t do their job. While in game, it’s no big deal to some people to run from a grave yard! In real life however, you don’t get that second chance. So for me at least, it’s a crossover between the two. I am the same in game as I am in reality. IE: I won’t get my brothers killed if I can at all help it and I’ll be everything I possibly can be. Having said this, I can’t, if in game, I were a healer, keep healing someone who won’t get out of the ozz or is having computer issues or what not. But I will try, until the tank starts to get the worse of it, then you my friend, are going to die, That tank is the only thing keeping us going and I’m not going to let them die. You can whine and cry about it till the cows bloat up and start stinking and I won’t care one bit.
Like it or not, The BM Hunter has proven thus far to be a potential weak link. In my in game experience, this is the truth and is why I was greatly appreciative of Blizzard for giving everyone the option at level 40 to duel spec. This way the BM hunter can have his play fun/leveling spec with all the pretty pets and look cool with em and the MM hunter can bring hard dps to the table, while those that like pvp more, can duel spec also into Surv, or simply have two specs being a hybrid. That was a good thing for hunters.
My statements have been made. I stand by them and am convinced right now that while yes, the fancy pets are neat and cool looking, it’s just not worth being a BM hunter for me in raids and instances. I am however having fun sitting down watching my Devilsaur do all the killing when I do my dailies, but NO WAY will I use my BM spec and my pet in any raid or instance right now.
As far as I’m concerned and I’ll repeat it until it changes. Blizzard has a long way to go in making each tree balance out nice. Maybe they don’t want each spec tree balanced, but if it were, then at least in end game there wouldn’t be such a large separation. I certainly do not expect to go into wintergrasp for instance in nothing but raid gear and mm spec and think I’m going to do a whole lot of great pvping. On that same note (and I do have two 80 hunters btw), I don’t’ expect to go into a raid or instance in full arena/ pvp gear and do as well as a same gear rated raid geared toon. The point is, that each hunter tree has it’s place. I think that is what Blizzard may have strived for and in that, I think they hit the mark. But this new pet is just one other one that people can sit and wait for months, days, weeks or hours to try to get. Atm I’m hovering over Storm Peaks trying to wait out for Skoll and have been for 3 days till the weee hours of every morning. And yes, I’ve searched the web for spawn locations and yet no sign of him. I suppose it’ll take me months to run across him and hope some jerk didn’t kill him before I can try to tame him. But there is a point in this too. It’s damn hard to have the patience it takes to get the exotics and still, even if I or you get one or even all of them, they still aren’t going to make up much difference for what is needed out of hunters dps wise in instances and raids, But you will get gloating privileges for waiting and having em. Maybe for you the individual, this is all the fun you care for… to be able to brag and gloat.
It’s not for me.
Trying to reach great dps as a spec you don’t enjoy will never, NEVER ever ever ever happen…. Plain and simple, if you don’t like it you won’t try as hard or be nerd-raged the entire time and not pay attention. Also, did you look up how to properly time and play the BM spec? Also, just to point this out, 5k is well attainable from a BM spec if your great. Now granted I can’t even reach that much, but the highest numbers possible for a BM currently are around 9.5-9.7k with MM at 10.5k and SV at 10.3k… and yes, I DID look it up, although I’m kinda ashamed I went to Elitist Jerks for it… But my point is at the absolute best you can get, BM is only about 600-1000 away from the others, which, if your putting out that much anyways, added with some of the little bonuses BM gives, isn’t terrible.
We’re up to eight hundred behind? Ouch, I didn’t think it had gotten that bad. But of course it’s okay with Blizzard for the moment. *sighs*
Yeah, but again that’s at the extreme top end of raiding… It’s more evened/balanced out in mid ranks, but still not as balanced as it should be.
Assuming the EJ numbers are correct…. The 1000 dps loss in a 25 man raid is MORE than made up by the nearly-constant 3% raid-wide buff to damage that a BM supplies. In fact, it likely means that a BM hunter is overall more valuable than the other specs, they just don’t shine as pretty.
The value of this will decrease in a 10 man, and then further in a 5 man however.
BM pets are also invaluable in high-movement, but pet friendly fights.
PLEASE NOTE: I have deleted some comments on this post. Disagreeing with someone is fine – using personal slurs is not.
I apologize to anyone reading if this makes the thread hard to follow.
I am also locking down comments on this thread for good. When we have more information on Arcturis, I’ll put up a new post.
In the meantime, I suggest you use the Arcania forums for general discussion.
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