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		<title>By: Dracomortis</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-45256</link>
		<dc:creator>Dracomortis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cunning pets have always felt like they didn&#039;t know what they wanted to be. They&#039;ve got talents focused on damage, they&#039;ve got talents focused on survivability, and then they&#039;ve got odd little talents like Roar of Recovery and Roar of Sacrifice that are extremely situational in their use, particularly in PvP. The problem, I think, is that Cunning pets can&#039;t excel in any one area even if they focus in it - a Cunning pet that takes talents to boost its dps, for example, is still going to be noticeably behind a Ferocity pet, and a Cunning pet that focuses in survivability still can&#039;t take as much punishment as a Tenacity pet. That leaves Cunning pets in this odd little niche where they&#039;re supposed to be hybrids between Ferocity and Tenacity but fail at doing both.

The solution, I think, is to figure out exactly what they want Cunning pets to be. Given the various pet family skills, as well as their use in PvP, it would seem that the most obvious role for them would be crowd control. Instead of giving them these odd talents that restore mana or absorb damage for a friendly target, give them abilities that help them control and enemy target.

First off, give them Charge like the other two trees. It&#039;s a very reliable ability that&#039;s useful in most situations, and there&#039;s really no reason why they shouldn&#039;t have it. Next, either reduce the cooldown on their family skills to more reasonable levels (there are very few abilities that deserve a cooldown of more than 40 seconds) and/or give Cunning pets a talent that does the same thing. The cooldowns should not be reduced too much, however, or Beast Mastery hunters will be running around with stuns on 20 second cooldowns. Put a talent deep in the tree that gives the pet an ability that cuts the target&#039;s movement speed.

Just my 2 copper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cunning pets have always felt like they didn&#8217;t know what they wanted to be. They&#8217;ve got talents focused on damage, they&#8217;ve got talents focused on survivability, and then they&#8217;ve got odd little talents like Roar of Recovery and Roar of Sacrifice that are extremely situational in their use, particularly in PvP. The problem, I think, is that Cunning pets can&#8217;t excel in any one area even if they focus in it &#8211; a Cunning pet that takes talents to boost its dps, for example, is still going to be noticeably behind a Ferocity pet, and a Cunning pet that focuses in survivability still can&#8217;t take as much punishment as a Tenacity pet. That leaves Cunning pets in this odd little niche where they&#8217;re supposed to be hybrids between Ferocity and Tenacity but fail at doing both.</p>
<p>The solution, I think, is to figure out exactly what they want Cunning pets to be. Given the various pet family skills, as well as their use in PvP, it would seem that the most obvious role for them would be crowd control. Instead of giving them these odd talents that restore mana or absorb damage for a friendly target, give them abilities that help them control and enemy target.</p>
<p>First off, give them Charge like the other two trees. It&#8217;s a very reliable ability that&#8217;s useful in most situations, and there&#8217;s really no reason why they shouldn&#8217;t have it. Next, either reduce the cooldown on their family skills to more reasonable levels (there are very few abilities that deserve a cooldown of more than 40 seconds) and/or give Cunning pets a talent that does the same thing. The cooldowns should not be reduced too much, however, or Beast Mastery hunters will be running around with stuns on 20 second cooldowns. Put a talent deep in the tree that gives the pet an ability that cuts the target&#8217;s movement speed.</p>
<p>Just my 2 copper.</p>
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		<title>By: Palladiamors</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44428</link>
		<dc:creator>Palladiamors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You probably didn&#039;t notice because it was just changed in Wrath.  Fel Armor went from boosting damage and the healing done to you, to damage plus spirit to damage PLUS healing, while Demon Armor got the boost to healing added onto it&#039;s armor bonus.  And the counter balance I can think of to Spirit bonds is that it is always active while your pets alive, and that it affects two targets, pet and master.  Still feels lackluster to me, but oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably didn&#8217;t notice because it was just changed in Wrath.  Fel Armor went from boosting damage and the healing done to you, to damage plus spirit to damage PLUS healing, while Demon Armor got the boost to healing added onto it&#8217;s armor bonus.  And the counter balance I can think of to Spirit bonds is that it is always active while your pets alive, and that it affects two targets, pet and master.  Still feels lackluster to me, but oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44426</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s cause Blizzard things +healing counter balances it/makes it op Palla.

/facedesk

I have a lv 76 Warlock and never noticed this. I fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s cause Blizzard things +healing counter balances it/makes it op Palla.</p>
<p>/facedesk</p>
<p>I have a lv 76 Warlock and never noticed this. I fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitairra</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44424</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitairra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double post ftl...again!

@ Palla

That&#039;s exactly what I meant,Palla..lol...too many times when I&#039;ve PvP&#039;ed (which isn&#039;t often,thank Elune! ),I&#039;ve seen Mimzi get two-shotted by (insert bad language+
class here) when she&#039;s just GETTING to her target,never mind about actually attacking it...bah! The less I think about PvP right now,the better my head feels..lol

Maybe I&#039;m doing it wrong,though...Mimzi is such a huge target (Jorumonger Worm,or however you spell it..lol ),it&#039;s not that hard seeing this thing undulating towards you..and like I said,I don&#039;t PvP that much,and I really dont want to get a PvP-centric pet just for those &quot;once in a blue moon&quot; moments. &quot;shrug&quot;


Kitairra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double post ftl&#8230;again!</p>
<p>@ Palla</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I meant,Palla..lol&#8230;too many times when I&#8217;ve PvP&#8217;ed (which isn&#8217;t often,thank Elune! ),I&#8217;ve seen Mimzi get two-shotted by (insert bad language+<br />
class here) when she&#8217;s just GETTING to her target,never mind about actually attacking it&#8230;bah! The less I think about PvP right now,the better my head feels..lol</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m doing it wrong,though&#8230;Mimzi is such a huge target (Jorumonger Worm,or however you spell it..lol ),it&#8217;s not that hard seeing this thing undulating towards you..and like I said,I don&#8217;t PvP that much,and I really dont want to get a PvP-centric pet just for those &#8220;once in a blue moon&#8221; moments. &#8220;shrug&#8221;</p>
<p>Kitairra</p>
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		<title>By: Kitairra</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44422</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitairra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ryai

Sorry about that...lol..my father was an old Air Force man and used that expression all the time.I&#039;ve heard Glass Cannon as well..same thing,isn&#039;t it? 
Poor little things are going to wind up the same.../cast Revive Pet.

Off topic...now that patch 3.2 is live,and every hunter going after Skoll,the new Spirit Beast,maybe now I xan finally get the laser kitty! Woot!

And guess who I&#039;ll have to abandon to make room in my stable? Yup...Paper/Glass Cannon.../sigh...Ah well,&#039;tis the life we chose when we became hunters.


Kitairra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ryai</p>
<p>Sorry about that&#8230;lol..my father was an old Air Force man and used that expression all the time.I&#8217;ve heard Glass Cannon as well..same thing,isn&#8217;t it?<br />
Poor little things are going to wind up the same&#8230;/cast Revive Pet.</p>
<p>Off topic&#8230;now that patch 3.2 is live,and every hunter going after Skoll,the new Spirit Beast,maybe now I xan finally get the laser kitty! Woot!</p>
<p>And guess who I&#8217;ll have to abandon to make room in my stable? Yup&#8230;Paper/Glass Cannon&#8230;/sigh&#8230;Ah well,&#8217;tis the life we chose when we became hunters.</p>
<p>Kitairra</p>
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		<title>By: Palladiamors</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44416</link>
		<dc:creator>Palladiamors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Ryai, all the hints point to the Patch going live soon, if not tommorow/today.  Now I haven&#039;t been on in a few weeks, but the last time I was it was so buggy that Stormwind had no water in its canals, and at least a few redone talents weren&#039;t working.  Sooooo we&#039;ll see what happens.  That being said, scheduled server maintence wouldn&#039;t have as large effect as it used to.  We&#039;ve all been downloading the solid parts of the patch for weeks now, that only leaves a small portion left to download.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Ryai, all the hints point to the Patch going live soon, if not tommorow/today.  Now I haven&#8217;t been on in a few weeks, but the last time I was it was so buggy that Stormwind had no water in its canals, and at least a few redone talents weren&#8217;t working.  Sooooo we&#8217;ll see what happens.  That being said, scheduled server maintence wouldn&#8217;t have as large effect as it used to.  We&#8217;ve all been downloading the solid parts of the patch for weeks now, that only leaves a small portion left to download.</p>
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		<title>By: Palladiamors</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44415</link>
		<dc:creator>Palladiamors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teleports the caster 20 yards forward, unless something is in the way. Also frees the caster from stuns and bonds.

Thats what Blink does.

I think that change means that the pet will take reduced damage based on magic resistance, but I honestly have no idea for sure.  Maybe it was being dealt as physical damage before and being reduced by a large margin?  Maybe it was just a coding issue?

As my warlock, beast masters are the only hunters that usually give me trouble, and even then it isn&#039;t to hard to run away while my felguard happily om noms their face.  Otherwise you ignore the pet and eat the hunter as fast as you can, while trying to get into melee range.  Or if you are feeling particularly nasty, Dot, DoT, DoT, demonic circle out of range.  Hunter begins dying from DoT damage and a demon eating their face, and you can just run back in to reapply your DoTs.  In fact wait thirty seconds and you can just teleport away again, while Fel armor restores what health you DO lose.  Nasty, cheesy, and unfortunately effective.  Especially if you put your circle some place high up and not easy to reach.

That reminds me!  Why is it that hunters talent for spirit bonds to have it restore a measly 2% health every TEN seconds, while warlocks get an armor spell later that restores 2% to 3% talented health every FIVE seconds, that also increases spellpower by varying ranks plus 30% spirit BASELINE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teleports the caster 20 yards forward, unless something is in the way. Also frees the caster from stuns and bonds.</p>
<p>Thats what Blink does.</p>
<p>I think that change means that the pet will take reduced damage based on magic resistance, but I honestly have no idea for sure.  Maybe it was being dealt as physical damage before and being reduced by a large margin?  Maybe it was just a coding issue?</p>
<p>As my warlock, beast masters are the only hunters that usually give me trouble, and even then it isn&#8217;t to hard to run away while my felguard happily om noms their face.  Otherwise you ignore the pet and eat the hunter as fast as you can, while trying to get into melee range.  Or if you are feeling particularly nasty, Dot, DoT, DoT, demonic circle out of range.  Hunter begins dying from DoT damage and a demon eating their face, and you can just run back in to reapply your DoTs.  In fact wait thirty seconds and you can just teleport away again, while Fel armor restores what health you DO lose.  Nasty, cheesy, and unfortunately effective.  Especially if you put your circle some place high up and not easy to reach.</p>
<p>That reminds me!  Why is it that hunters talent for spirit bonds to have it restore a measly 2% health every TEN seconds, while warlocks get an armor spell later that restores 2% to 3% talented health every FIVE seconds, that also increases spellpower by varying ranks plus 30% spirit BASELINE?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It breaks CC as is? I thought it had to be talented- or am I thinking of rogues?

[warriors/mages/rogues are classes I never really leveled]

Tbh the only casters I have fun with are well warlocks, cause half the time they try to fear me, and it&#039;s like LOL BIG RED PET. They try to dot me, and I just fd and pewpew them. But sometimes some just come along and I just get .. wtfpwned.

I am also now confused. CP from MMO as seems ptr crap is going live soon.

&#039;Roar of Sacrifice: Damage transferred to pet is now considered Nature damage.&#039;

Um what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It breaks CC as is? I thought it had to be talented- or am I thinking of rogues?</p>
<p>[warriors/mages/rogues are classes I never really leveled]</p>
<p>Tbh the only casters I have fun with are well warlocks, cause half the time they try to fear me, and it&#8217;s like LOL BIG RED PET. They try to dot me, and I just fd and pewpew them. But sometimes some just come along and I just get .. wtfpwned.</p>
<p>I am also now confused. CP from MMO as seems ptr crap is going live soon.</p>
<p>&#8216;Roar of Sacrifice: Damage transferred to pet is now considered Nature damage.&#8217;</p>
<p>Um what?</p>
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		<title>By: Palladiamors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palladiamors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a hunter, I wipe the floor with casters IF I see them first.  If a caster way lays me in the middle of a fight, that&#039;s generally it.  As a death knight, second verse but with mages being a pain.  I HATE blink.  Twenty yards away AND it breaks all CC.  !@#$ing blink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a hunter, I wipe the floor with casters IF I see them first.  If a caster way lays me in the middle of a fight, that&#8217;s generally it.  As a death knight, second verse but with mages being a pain.  I HATE blink.  Twenty yards away AND it breaks all CC.  !@#$ing blink.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/27/lets-talk-cunning/comment-page-3/#comment-44406</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casters beat the snot out of me.

Yeah I remember in a BG when I was trying to earn some marks on my pally for a BWraptor, a twink DK gloated about how he got a 5k crit and oneshot a poor nelf hunter with a melee swing .-.


And ah well that makes sense. I mean I&#039;ve seen my pets wtfpwned sometimes by retrilols :/

Tbh I&#039;m starting to realize, our problems isn&#039;t just pets, it&#039;s the fact that well pvp is blatantly unbalanced, unfair, and well geared to those who have instants and melee abilities- or better abilites to escape. I mean mages can frost nova and blamo, we have to be SV for frost/explosive trap to work like that [as our only AoE&#039;s], rogues can vanish. Death Knights can heal themselves and oh my god it&#039;s horrible, just oh god, get it nearly dead then it kills the rogue with you and all a sudden it&#039;s healed and coming right for your oom face COMPLETELY IGNORING PET.

[still greatfull the rogue actually did come to my hunter&#039;s aid tho]

They either need to balance caster, and hunter classes, with melee classes more, or just strip us of everything and give us a choice, you can wear a loin cloth and a stick and be a damage dealer, or you just wear a loin cloth, spamming heals. I mean when you go into a pvp situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casters beat the snot out of me.</p>
<p>Yeah I remember in a BG when I was trying to earn some marks on my pally for a BWraptor, a twink DK gloated about how he got a 5k crit and oneshot a poor nelf hunter with a melee swing .-.</p>
<p>And ah well that makes sense. I mean I&#8217;ve seen my pets wtfpwned sometimes by retrilols :/</p>
<p>Tbh I&#8217;m starting to realize, our problems isn&#8217;t just pets, it&#8217;s the fact that well pvp is blatantly unbalanced, unfair, and well geared to those who have instants and melee abilities- or better abilites to escape. I mean mages can frost nova and blamo, we have to be SV for frost/explosive trap to work like that [as our only AoE's], rogues can vanish. Death Knights can heal themselves and oh my god it&#8217;s horrible, just oh god, get it nearly dead then it kills the rogue with you and all a sudden it&#8217;s healed and coming right for your oom face COMPLETELY IGNORING PET.</p>
<p>[still greatfull the rogue actually did come to my hunter's aid tho]</p>
<p>They either need to balance caster, and hunter classes, with melee classes more, or just strip us of everything and give us a choice, you can wear a loin cloth and a stick and be a damage dealer, or you just wear a loin cloth, spamming heals. I mean when you go into a pvp situation.</p>
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