Speaking of Worgen …
Both WoW Insider and MMO Champion have posted their suspicions today that Goblins and Worgen will be added as playable races in the next expansion.
This prediction is based partly on the fact that new Hallow’s End masks for these two races have shown up in the latest PTR build. Previously, only playable races have had Hallow’s End masks available.
I’ve also seen some speculation from commenters that, since both goblins and worgen are generally not heavily aligned with either the Horde or Alliance, perhaps these races will be able to choose their side. I would have found that pretty far-fetched myself — until Blizzard went and announced a faction-change service recently.
Aside: Okay, so this doesn’t have much to do with hunters or pets. But after looking at that female worgen mask, I have conceived a strong desire to play a worgen hunter.
A wolf would be an obvious pet for such a hunter. Ooh, and a nice Kurken-esque core hound too! What else would work? Cats, bears … gorillas? How about a worgen/gorilla comedy team? Or am I just getting silly now?
[edit] Random Ravings of Warcraft has a much more detailed take on this topic that you may enjoy.
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Playable Goblins and Worgen just sounds plain stupid to me.
Period.
interesting masks, and its me or the male worgen face looks like humar/pitch
well its way to earlt to especulate but goblins have a neutrality pact with alliance and horde so getting aligned with any would break the pact, now worgens? thats kinda interesting and maybe thats why they removed the worgen pet but also the “cataclism” project its said to take place way before the wow we know on the was it first war?
and hmm it would be interesting to think the classes for each. maybe goblins are the horde gnomes and worgens the alliance undeads me guessing
also theres the posibility those maks are just the first ones to be added and more will come so then they may not point anything about new races
hmmm i can’t see goblins and worgen really working, they’re both so widespread throughout the world that it would an enormous challenge to get a workable story for them.
i’d rather quillboar and sporelings for the horde, dunno what i’d pick for the alliance. meh, just make something up for em
Good for you Rekelectric. Doesn’t mean you have to rain on Mania or anyone elses parade. I personally like the thought of playable worgen, and why goblins haven’t been playable before now is beyond me. And it wouldn’t be hard to get a workable story for the goblins, they are already set in the lore. They even have their own city, though we don’t have access to it. As for worgen, that one’s a bit touchier, but still doable. The lore is there, mostly focusing around the scythe of Elune, and no doors have been closed on them yet. Actually quite the opposite, with the intelligent worgen hunters in Grizzly Hills, the door has been opened for a lot more interaction and story with them.
I just got my TLPD… and I would trade it back to get my Garwal back to a working pet.
In a heartbeat.
Oh I totally want to be a worgen! That female mask entices me, I hope hope hope they’ll be alli! Also, does anyone think the female goblin looks like Fiona from Shrek?
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that if worgen’s going to be a playable race in the expansion, there’s no way we’ll see Garwal as a hunter pet. I’m certain they’ll take them away, even at the vanity status they’re at now. It’s sad for the hunters that got him, but then again, as a worgen whateverclass I wouldn’t like (lore/RP wise) to see my brethren enslaved by hunters.
worgen worgen worgen worgen worgen!!!!! :D oh that would be so fun!
I got rid of my worgen when they took the talent tree away. There are too many other great looking pets that actually have utility to keep that glitch of a pet in my stable. I can’t wait to play a Worgen or goblin character if these rumors are true.
What’s interesting is that apparently in the Warhammer MMO player base, there’s been some desire for a third faction. I wonder if Blizz may be trying to do the same.
Prolly not. But the concept would make another group I’d really really like to play possible: the Vrykul.
@Palladiamors: Rain to at Mania? It’s a general comment. Nothing else meant by that, especially not at Mania.
I think it would be neat if Hunters could assume the form of their current pet. Have it as part of the BM tree. But said pet form would be melee only, unless said pet had a ranged attack.
WOOT WORGEN! IF THIS BE TRUE I SHALL ROLL A WHITE ONE NAME IT VARALI AND FOLLOW A HUNTER EVERYWHERE PRETENDING TO BE THEIR PET LIKE A NOOB!
On the subject of Worgen…
I kept my pet Worgen when they became little more than eye candy. It said I had an empty stable slot where she was a couple nights ago. I was sad, but decided I’d get some wolf and say she had shifted forever or somesuch thing.
When I took her out, she was…HUGE.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll170/rayquaza7996/Varali.jpg
I’m a night elf, I barely go up to her waist!
I might reroll for a worgen, as I never did for Draenei, much as I want to.
I’ve had one main since WoW came out, my nelf hunter. Only one I’ve ever gotten to level cap. I love draenei, and if there was a paid race change, I would in a heartbeat.
Playable Worgen might make me reroll, though. :)
Well I always thought the goblin to be like true nuetral party so if they can choos both sides i’ll acept it but i don’t like them bein just horde or allaince. Worgen is cool but a bit odd…whats next nagga? They don’t really seam to be somethin that should be part of our factions in large numbers. Although that won’t stop me from makin 1 =P
playable worgens would be fun! im not so sure about goblins, because they have almost no variety in looks. guys get what, 2 hairstyles, and girls get 1?
naga have potential… though knowing blizz, they tend to like to just make up something totally new looking. I wouldnt object to a were-feline race! weretigers, panthers,ect..
to be honest it looks like goblins and some sort of fox/lion race not a worgen….the worgen i know have longer fangs and a more viscious face.
Nah, I don’t believe they’ll take Garwal away from those of us who still have him. If they intended to, they would’ve done it already. He’s just Sandfury Guardian 2.0.
Whatever. If they do delete them, I’ll have a free wolf slot.
As for playing worgen and goblins… I’ll probably try them out for the introductory levels, like I did with belfs and dks…
But all things considered, I’ll stick with my hunter.
Why would they make the masks now? They wouldn’t put in new races unless it was an expansion, and that’s probably a year off, they’d have plenty of time between now and the next Hallow’s End to put the masks in.
I think it’s probably Blizz screwing with the data-miners out there.
Besides, I’m still holding out for Pandaren.
That would be so awesome! I’d love to play a worgen and a hunter at that would be amazing! I hope they won’t just be for the new hero class or something like that. Could you see a Worgen with a wolvar pup mini pet? lol
I don’t believe “one race should be this faction, and the other should be this faction.”
Goblins are in it for the money, it’d be sort of foolish for them as a whole to only side with one race since they’d lost the other side’s trust/cash.
Worgen just sound too much like a pure enemy faction to really choose a side.
I’m personally not getting my hopes up on either being playable until I hear official confirmation.
I can see how Goblins would be playable after a fashion–especially being able to choose one’s side. Now THAT would be interesting. Worgen I can’t see as a playable class really.
Now you know what I’d love to play as? An etheral. They’d be another choosing-sides group, but they’d be so cool as a playable race!
~Velkyn
I also wanted to add my own thoughts, so here it is.
Worgen for the Alliance???
Why not? A NE was one of the first, if not the first, person to summon them to Azeroth. They even fought alongside her for awhile before everything went nuts. Plus, Goblins are more established as Horde-friendly more than Alliance-friendly. I know they’re technically nuetral, but they do run alot of the Horde zepplins and shops in the Horde cities.
As for why teh Worgen would return to the Alliance who took advantage of them? Well, these worgen look a bit more intelligent (from what it looks like on the masks) and perhaps as a Worgen-Elite they’ve decided that a faction who welcomed what looked like evil Eredar (Hey, that NE in Azuremyst sure didn’t know what draenei were) into their fold would welcome evil-looking worgen too.
From what we do know, the Worgen seem to be fighting some “Lords of Green Flame” of some sort on their home-world. If we assume this to be the Burning Legion and their fel-fire, then perhaps that’s how the Worgen come into play if the Cataclysm is indeed the next expansion since the Sundering was a result of a huge Burning Legion invasion.
Either way, if Worgen is indeed the new race, I’m so changing mains, I don’t even care what class they have.
Now for people saying “Worgen are too much of an enemy/hostile” to play, I say this. This entire expansion I’ve been killing death knights, and yet, my King allows them to rejoin the Alliance. Same for Thrall.
Draenei are uncorrupt Eredar (thus that’s why they’re called the Exiled Ones). Now I’m not saying Draenei are a good example of why Worgen or Goblins will join a faction BUT think of it like that. A group or faction seperated from their main group is joining the Horde/Alliance. Not all humans are Alliance-lovers, some are the Scarlet Crusade and hate just about everyone. Not all Tauren and Trolls are Horde. So it’s not impossible to think that perhaps a faction of elite and smarter worgen join the Alliance while power0hungry more than money-hungry Goblins join the Horde.
Just my opinion ;)
Rekelectric, it was just the way you phrased how you thought it was stupid, it might have come off a bit harsh. The worgen hype is pretty big right now, and I have to admit I’ve said it would be cool if they were a playable race for years.
Saranette, Blizzard has been pretty big on stealing ideas from other MMOs for the past bit. The most recent one is stealing Guild Wars and the more refined Warhammers ability to gain experience in battlegrounds. Usually it is in a general sort of way ganking, but in some cases it’s almost outright theft. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they took an idea like that and ran with it. Even their ‘change your faction!” idea isn’t new, the most recent MMO to have that is Everquest II.
That being said, the idea of an alignable race is interesting. Make your character, pick your faction and maybe even your starting city. Here is the thing about this idea that bothers me. Usually MMOs on the decline do idea’s like that. Fairly bold ideas, but moves of desperation. WoW isn’t anywhere NEAR that mark, as far as I can see. Is it just another marketing move on Blizzards part? Hrm.
…..doublepost, because I just saw those masks. Those are AWESOME. I now officially want to very much play a worgen hunter.
I agree with Palla’s post about the alignable race, however I really don’t believe that is the case here. I will be the first to say I highly highly doubt that this will be a “choose your faction” deal with WoW’s two newest races. WoW has come a long way in 4 years, but I do not see them adding this feature just yet.
Personally I’d rather have Worgen for the Horde and Pandaren for the Alliance. :D
Pandaren, I must be the only one not too impressed by them. I mean they are just an April Fool’s joke that got way out of hand. XD I would hate the Horde forever if they got Worgen.
Hate and then re-roll.
I hope that this does indeed happen, infact I am surprised it hasn’t, ever since I saw that one town by Shadowfang keep. where the inhabitants are human by day, and Worgen by night. I always thought it would be cool to be able to play a worgen toon, which is one of the reasons I rushed to tame the worgen pet (who sites in my stables atm)
If you’ve gone and looked at those masks, thats a lot of detail they put into them. And Blizzcon IS coming up. And honestly, the two particular mask types correspond well to two possible factions. Lets face it, if the goblins had to pick, they’d go horde. Not that I see that happening as a whole, mind you, but I could see a splinter faction of the goblin’s actually splitting off to fully support the horde, instead of extorting them for money. And worgen just fit better for the alliance, with all the background history with it. And like some one pointed out, having ANOTHER outcast race join the horde would fall straight back into step with the Blood elves and the undead, and that’s just one horse that has been beaten to death enough already.
the only problem i can see with worgen being alli only is that their potential starting zone (the greymane wall area) is way to close to uc.all the other horde starting zones are at least three higher zones apart from alli ones.they could potentally set it up like the dk starting zone so that noone else could go there however…
I actually see another problem, 84. Worgen are !@#$ing awesome, pardon the phrase, and that might be a bit much to just give to one faction….
There’s plenty of problems for both factions to receive worgen, or receiving goblins.
However, those classes + naga + kraken are really just the main races that “would” fit into a new expansion. Blood elves certainly didn’t have a lot going for them either. It’s quite plausible that worgen will have an opening for them in the alliance.
And goblins have always had a strong affinity with the horde, there’s multiple faction much like humans have multiple factions that are either friendly or unfriendly with the other races.
“” Blizzard has been pretty big on stealing ideas from other MMOs for the past bit. The most recent one is stealing Guild Wars and the more refined Warhammers ability to gain experience in battlegrounds. “”
Blizzard had experience in battlegrounds long before the other games added that. It’s only been removed, postponed and re-added recently.
For the most case, other MMOs steal from blizzard. Interface and everything.
Neither did Draeni, and I am honestly still a bit angry that the horde got blood elves while the alliance didn’t see hide nor hair of the remaining high elves. Still and all, Blizzard is going to do what Blizzard is going to do, I suppose.
I Find it unlikely that worgen join the alliance.
Ever wondered if these two races are for horde only? Maybe blizzard hasnt decided what the alliance ones will be yet. Took them ages to choose draenei and they annouced Belfs ages before draenei.
goblin sounds a little strand, BUT OMG WORGEN????? O.O I CANT WAIT
So the point of that post is that the last hope to get worgen pet back is dead. Right?
Studfox, do you know anything at all about the Worgen? Depending on the worgen in reference, they’d be just as unlikely to join the horde, if not more so. The experiments of Argual are actualyl neutral to alliance during the day, and the original worgen summoned by the scythe were caught up in a war back in their own dimension/planet/alternate space time and wanted to get back to it. On the overall, the ones summoned by the scythe were very brutal and savage, and basically didn’t seem like they’d be joining anyone’s side willingly any time soon. The worgen in Grizzly hills actually seem to have found a way to control their transformations, but seem to be more intent on eating people then playing nice. Could any or all of that be changed? Sure, this is Blizzard we’re talking about. But I very seriously doubt they are just going to suddenly decide to add two races to one faction. They were hesitant to add one race to each and the death knights, for goodness sake.
From Wowwiki:
“Worgen are large, wolf-like humanoids reminiscent of a werewolf that walks upright, but lopes on all fours to run. According to sources held by the undead, the worgen come from another dimension, and exist only to terrorize and destroy. These creatures are thoroughly evil, delighting in torturing and devouring intelligent creatures. They enjoy hearing the screams of their victims as they tear them apart piece by piece. Worgen never show mercy or remorse. They may seem savage, but they are fairly intelligent and possess a cruel bestial cunning that can come as a surprise to the unprepared.”
From My point of view…
They seam to have more in comon with the Forsaken than with Night Elves…
Did you even read what I said? I SAID as much as all that. And in fact, the Wiki there seems to be off, or the author has never played as the alliance. It is known for a FACT that the original worgen summoned by the scythe of Elune were from another dimension. I even went so far as to SAY that the original worgen, and even the worgen populating Grizzly hills were NOT good people. They are not what you’d call an advanced race, however. The original worgen did possess a certain intellect and cunning, but they were crude by most standards, and not really what I’d call up for allying with anyone. And for that matter, the original worgen have very little in common with any of the alliance races, except for eating people. Very sketchy reasoning at best.
HOWEVER, you have to consider the human/worgen mix that AREN’T interested in eating whatever moves. We also have no real idea on what is going on down in Gilneas, which is a pretty big worgen hot spot. One of the current guesses is that the worgen could potentially start around there, but at this point, all any of us are doing is guessing based on some datamined Halloween masks. Very detailed masks, but none of us really has any idea of what is going to happen. *Shrugs*
any of the alliance or HORDE races* important correction there.
The “Original” Worgen where Summoned by Arugal, Using Ur’s research, to fight the scourge and protect Dalaran, but they turn very fast on the mages of Dalaran too.
Starsong only got the scythe after Arugal closed himself up in SFK. she was given the scythe by elune to lear up the mess in fellwood but more worgen where coming from the scythe than those she actually summoned, she got scared then she dissapeared allong with the scythe while looking for Arugal because she heard he could summon Worgen as well.
Get ur timeline straight.
Everything points to them being a loose cannon, much like the forsaken, maybe even worse. Thats the reason I believe the alliance would never welcome them.
Then again, Blizzard has been known to twist and turn lore to suit the game.
There can be a type of worgen that hasnt been summoned yet that its very nice and loves sunshine and flowers and they BBQ on the weekends and love to make friends.
Studfox:
Why wouldn’t the Alliance welcome them? I mean sure they seem like a loose cannon, but it doesn’t seem any more likely that the Worgen would join the Horde. Heck, like I pointed out before, the Alliance welcomes Death Knights back into the fold, why can’t a Worgen do the same? Everyone fears the Eredar, yet we welcomed draenei (the off-shoot of Eredar who remained uncorrupted) despite their similarities (physically).
Yes, I do believe that the Worgen that will become playable (if they do) will not be like their much more feral/aggressive cousins. Obviously they seem to have some sort of intelligence to some degree.
“The worgen hail from a dark and treacherous world, from which there is no corner which is truly safe. There, the worgen battle their unflinching enemy in a vicious war; the Lords of the Emerald Flame.”
“She [Starsong] summoned larger numbers to fight at her side against the demons.”
Now, I’m just speculating, but it seems that some Worgen seem to have some sort of higher intelligence, how else would they be able to carry out a war or follow the orders of a Sentinel? Keep in mind that Worgen also can speak a secondary language of Common (Alliance tongue).
Also they fought alongside a NE who fought demons. Now it’s just hinted at, but it’s suggested that the “Lord of Emerald flames” are the Burning Legion, which would explain why Worgen are even part of a catacylsm (the great sundering, again, Burning Legion Invasion) themed expansion.
Now, to the big question, why Alliance?
They’re pretty much pre-seeded into the Alliance lore more-so than the Horde. Now if we look at the two races as a whole, Goblins are more Horde oriented (despite what anyone says about neutrality). In fact, they were allies of the old Horde.
“Old friends, the goblins fought with the Horde in the Second War, but broke off when they realized that it’s more profitable to work both sides. However, many goblins remember the fun of the Horde and are willing to lower mercenary prices to Thrall and his people. Goblins offer almost exclusive transport services for the Horde, whether in their steamboats or zeppelins. You’re more likely to find a team of goblin sappers, who take great pleasure in the chaos the Horde creates, meshed into Horde forces than those of the Alliance.”
Now since we know that Blizz wants to stay with the pre-seeded races (according to Blizzcon interview), we know that lore will play a deciding factor. So from looking at this standpoint, it seems reasonable *despite* the personalities of the races involved that the Horde will have Goblins join their ranks and the Alliance have Worgen.
(Personally, if my DK can rejoin the Alliance banner, why can’t a Worgen? XD)
* All quotes taken from Wowwiki.
**forgot to add, this is all based on the assumption that “Cataclysm” is the next expanion, that it does involve the Great Sundering and that we do get new races.
XD
Guess we’ll all just have to wait next month for Blizzcon XDDD
“Why would they make the masks now? They wouldn’t put in new races unless it was an expansion, and that’s probably a year off, they’d have plenty of time between now and the next Hallow’s End to put the masks in.
I think it’s probably Blizz screwing with the data-miners out there.”
Well, Ixnay, it very well might be that Blizz is screwing around with us and that this is all a hoax. However, the data miners at MMO Champion uncovered another little tidbit that, in my mind, only clinches the fact that the Goblins and Worgen are the next playable races.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=80033.0
In the forum post linked above, it was mentioned that the Worgen and Goblin models had many animations that only playable races had. Such as; looting and walking backwards. While I’m not sure if one would call this hardcore proof, it certainly makes it apparent to me that Worgen would be a playable race.
As for the masks, well… Each and every expansion had some form of teaser event (IE: The demon invasion in TBC and the Scourge invasion in WotLK), so a mask hardly qualifies as an event, I can still see them being used as a post-Blizzcon Hallow’s End treat saying “Here, now you can have some shiny new rendered masks and get a little taste of what’s to come”.
Hmm Worgen and Goblins… What about Murlocs? :(
Ooh, and those Ymirheim-humanoids too! Well, they look kinda cool… xP
My god. Playable worgen.
My prayers have been answered.
Finally, I can be a Goblin “Bruiser”. . .
Ok, I know that this might be a long shot, and that his might not make sense to anyone else but me, but a reason that they might be making the worgen and Goblin are to equal out the races.
It’s hard to explain and this may get confusing…
-Orcs and Draenei cancel out (They are both basically the same build of upper body andthey are both basically one color, green for orcs and blue for draenei)
-Gnomes and Trolls cancel out (both are exiled and instead their major cities are those of their closest allies, dwarves for gnomes and orcs for trolls)
-Undead and human’s cancel out (The Forsaken are basically humans that have been reanimated)
-NE and Blood elves cancel out (They are both elves)
so that leaves dwarves and tauren, right? well how about these?
Goblin and dwarf cancel out (They both are smaller races and primarily use guns as ranged weapons)
Worgen and Tauren cancel out (They would both be humaniod-animal races)
It’s a long shot, and my information may be wrong in some places, but Its what I think. if anything needs correcting I’m sorry…
Imo, worgen would be terrible as a playable race. They dont’ fit in to either faction at all. It’s like making one of the Burning Legion races playable. It just doesn’t work.
Playable Worgen… Goblins i can see happening, but considering the -lore- behind Worgen youd either be rolling a Human with a curse or true Worgen which are in a comepltely Different world to ours, granted there are true Worgen on Azeroth but they are in Ashenvale and Duskwood so no real available starting areas for them, imo Worgen wont be a playable race I could be wrong but that is my opinion on it.
Goblins seems more believable as a playable Race and I would glad see them added as one :D
Tho the adding of the masks could just be cos most ppl might have them all (depending how long they’ve played) So maybe they added more for variation in the Halloween event, just like there adding Childrens week quests for Northrend.
AWESOME I’ve always wanted Neutral/”Pick your side” classes, they have GOT to add Murlocs at some point, and maybe even the Oracles and Wolvar!
MMO-Champion also has inside sources, Blizz releases CERTAIN info to be data mined by these companies.
If Boub (owner of MMO says something it’s true)
@Flak
Burning Legion races playable?…… You mean like the Draenei?
I strongly believe that the worgen will be alli an the horde will be goblin, which makes me so happy im an alli :) lets face it lol the new expansion will be more alli friendly :P
Though i do think the problem with leaving worgen to just 1 faction will leave that side overly populated! Everyone is gonna wanna try a worgen, i know i am! Even if it is horde (i hope not) id still try it.
If were lucky they will both be neutral from the start then have to chose a side like the wolvar an oracels :) that way both sides will be happy in getting worgens (or goblins..)
But i doubt they would add a neutral class, but who knows, this is blizzard were talking bout lol
I am sad i missed out on the worgen pet that many hunters were able to nab, but losing that pet but gaining a worgen as a playable char, i say its so much more worth it, an i can see why they made such rash disessions about it without much explanation. If were getting a playable worgen class, then no they shouldnt be tameable o.0 thats like a hunter running around with a nightelf or a gnome as a pet LOL
@Studfox post #35
i highly doubt they would put BOTH races as horde thats just stupid an wishful thinking, it would unbalance the game so much an everyone would roll horde or bitch like theres no tomorrow, lol an we know blizzard wouldnt wantthat :p
Makronette:
Well that’s why there’s some speculation that if the Worgen became a playable race, they’d start off in possibly Gilneas (south of Silverpine Forest). Personally, I could see this. Perhaps it would have a 1-25=ish zone before having you gallavanting off as a Worgen to perhaps Southshore or something?
Gelannerai Has an excellent point. Most people don’t seem to realize that the Draenei are just an off-shoot (sub race) of Eredar. The Eredar race came first, later some became corrupted and those who didn’t join the corrupted became “exiled ones” or as we know them, Draenei. This is one of the ways I think Worgen will sort of be shoehorned into a playable race lore.
I still severely doubt that Goblins and Worgen will be a “Choose your side” deal. Even with a faction change service (which I believe was more created to help balance servers more than be a stepping stone to a 3rd faction), I don’t see this happening. Like I posted before, originally even gnomes were sort of neutral until the Second War. Goblins were part of the Horde originally until they realized “Hey, we’ll make more money if we play both sides as a neutral!” The obstacle of going from nuetral to a dedicated faction isn’t that hard. I mean if Death Knights can go from serving *the Lich King* and champion the Scourge army to going back to their old faction leaders, why can’t some goblins go strictly Horde and Worgen join the Alliance?
Personally, I can’t wait til goblins are added to the Horde, so that way they finally have a small puntable race too >=)
I really want to play as a Worgen! I am thinking that this isn’t just a random mask because there hasn’t been any female Worgens in the game. And she is just gorgeous! I don’t like playing as males but I can imagine having a male and female Worgen if they’re added as playable races.
I’d love to see a Neutral faction added but balancing might be a pain. I’m also not sure if they’d let them choose sides because it would make PvP even more complicated (then again I never thought I’d see PvE to PvP transfers or Faction changes so what do I know!).
I’m less excited about Goblins, but they might grow on me.
These are gonna be the 2 next hero classes.
The Goblin Tinker and the Worgen Berserker.
They will be available to both horde and alliance at the end of their start area.
Or at least I hope.
I would loooooove for this to happen! It makes the game so much more interesting and appealing. Players have been begging for Worgens and Goblins for so long now. I too want to play a Worgen. How kick ass would that be?
I don’t get why some people are upset over this. It’s a a refreshing change which was well overdue. WoW needs to start kicking it up a notch if it wants to remain popular. I was about to cancel my subscription until I heard this. Now I’m going to continue working on alts until these new ideas are put in :D
While fun to speculate we can’t forget that its still early days yet and this could very well all mean nothing in regards to future playable races. Personally, I’d prefer if we didn’t have Goblins playable, and Worgen? Hmmm, maybe.
The Worgen as Alliance is a yes and no type of deal the way I see it. Most if not all of the Alliance races currently have very STRONG predujices and personally I see them shunning the Worgen as freaks as they have done for the Tauren and Forsaken. Alliance mindsets has a heavy focus on appearances, which is likely a deciding factor for why they allowed Death Knights into their fold, they still relativly normal by comparison to the Horde races.
Not saying they couldn’t work something out if Worgen truely are going to be a new Ally race.
First time posting but thought I’d just give my idea abt the worgen.
If u go behind that greywall place theres kinda an empty area with a few paths.
I’m guessing this is where the worgen will start out. I mean…why would Blizz put in an area that has some paths and what looks like an exit?
also, since it is a huge gate and if they are ally basicly in the middle of a Horde starting area, I’ll bet they start there so Horde cant kill them or harass the quest givers/venders lol =P
But if they are a nutral race, I’m asuming they’ll do some quests in the starting area and when they leave they’ll have 2 quests to either roll Ally or Horde, then the other quests in the ‘second’ starting area will be unlocked. just a guess
Yes yes yes and yes please!! I hope they’re allies so I can faction-transfer my current hunter to a Worgen and keep her name and limited edition pets~~~ :D
For those who think the worgen and/or goblins wouldn’t be playable classes because of ‘lore’ or it wouldn’t make ‘sense’ I have this to say…
Blue goat people from SPACE makes more sense? Seriously? Blue goat people from space make a lot of sense lore wise… or even in general right?
Worgen and goblins at least already exist in the world of warcraft.
Anything would make more sense to me than blue goat people with a space ship crashed and joined the alliance. As much as I like they Draenei… their background story is stupid.
I would’ve been able to believe in alliance centaurs, ogres, or worgen more than goat people from space. In fact I thought it was joke at first back in BC.
Not really getting my hopes up until it’s absolutely for certain, but I do believe this is likely. I would love to play a worgen! Though, as much as I love mah hunters, not a worgen hunter. I would totally be a worgen warlock >:D
I also feel this is likely. We haven’t ever seen a female Worgen in the game, and yet here’s a Hallow’s Eve mask of one. Goblins have been requested by players for years as a playable race, so them being the next Horde race fits. As far as the Worgen are concerned, there are very legitimate reasons found in the lore why they would definitely fit in with the Alliance. If nothing else, you could look at it from a marketing standpoint. Werewolves in general are extremely popular creatures. Goblins also find their way into a lot of media. Just look at the frenzy a few flimsy masks have stirred up. It would actually be kind of silly for Blizzard to ignore potential marketing hooks, and that’s exactly what playable Goblins and Worgen would be. Not only would they attract new players to the game, they would also give vets more reason to stick with the game as opposed to trying others.
Double post. For me, it’d be male Worgen Rogue and female Worgen Priest.
Yeah I’m gonna do it, triple post. Plus, Worgen being one of the next playable races is really the only way that Blizz’s recent handling of the Worgen pet makes sense IMO.
I love the idea of the two being new playable races, yet at the same time this could be much simpler. This could be Blizzard making the masks more halloweenish. Instead of just wear someone else’s face. Yet at the same time, I would kill to be a Worgen hunter.
After seeing the introduction of “Demonic Space Goats” (Draenei) and Death Knights, the idea that Blizzard would make Worgen and Goblins a playable race hardly surprises me. The idea that new players of those races could choose their faction wouldn’t be surprising either. It’d probably involve instance zones, a series of quests, and plenty of warnings that picking your faction is a one way trip.
@Rekelectric: No more stupid than Gnomes.
I say the more the merrier. Since armor makes all players of a race look the same, the only way we’ll see more diversity is with more races. I say bring it on.
I just hope worgen are horde.
Ralowae and BlackTooth, Zangarmarsh
That’s not “silly” at all Mania. Good post!
You win that one, Studfox. I bow to your ability to look up knowledge.
I am…..nervous. I wasn’t surprised by death knights being given to both factions, but it up one side and down another felt wrong. And even now I can’t really say that the Ebon Blade fit in anywhere. The problem is that Blizzard got rid of the boundaries of class back in BC, and more or less evened out racials in Wrath. ((I hesitate to say that even now.)) This is where I get nervous. I am fairly comfortable and happy with the fact that every race is one faction or the other. This is a personal preference, but I don’t know that I’d like to see any race have the choice of picking one faction or another. It would just….I don’t know. It would kinda feel like faction didn’t matter anymore.
Perhaps they really are just new hallows end masks and not new races… Think about it… Goblins are everywhere so they could have a mask for them… Worgen are basicly werewolves and are therefore veeeery Halloweeny… Just my thoughts.
I say (just to help clear things up) they mgiht be playable races due to a fact i saw threw the gimick theroy it could or not and the worgen they would be able to choose due to the fact the horde kill them alliance kill them and also they live in packs like the tribes of trolls but all in due time for the goblins they were goin to be races for profesions but never got threw if they make them it will be a new light for them
sorry made comment when tired so speelin not my fault it is the suger talkin
The question is…will those hunters amongst us who tamed Garwal be able to cross-faction transfer, become worgen hunters, and have our Garwal too?
Eeeeeenteresting.
The only problem with Blizz ‘just making these masks for Hallow’s End’ is that this is Blizz we’re talking about. The same Blizz that was too lazy to even make a new model for the upcoming tier set… at least, as far as I remember. So why would they bother to make at least part of a female model to a race that previously had absolutely no obvious females in it? Not saying it isn’t possible they just made it for Hallow’s End, of course, I just doubt that was the only reason they made those masks.
Also… If I saw a worgen running around with a pet worgen, I might just die laughing.
I would so re-roll as a worgen and prance around whatever faction’s home city they get with Garwal. It’d just increase the sheer bizarreness of Bliz.
BTW Has anybody who still has their worgen gotten the glitch where he stays looking normal to you… but he’s Godzilla to every other player? I’ve heard of vice-versa…
as to “goblins are too ‘go for the money’ to side with only the horde,” or “worgen are too violent to side with the alliance,” or “there are too many in the game to have them there without causing problems: bull. i present to you: bloodsail pirates, blackrock orcs, and dark iron dwarves (the pre-wotlk ones which aren’t… actually iron). how about amani trolls and grimtotem tauren? clearly, the player races in warcraft are not groups which represent the entire race, but some faction thereof. it makes perfect sense that one cartel of goblins could have entered into a permanent trading arrangement with the horde (and still be hostile to the Venture Co. and still have to start as neutral with Steamwheedle Cartel). it would make perfect sense for the Gilnean worgen to be disgusted with their overly savage cousins under the control of Arugal (who, in turn, want to kill the gilneans like they want to kill anyone). on the idea of goblins as a race: awesome. worgen: meh. at least its another model for alliance toons.
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to the extent that the masks might… well… just be masks: I WANT AROKKA AND ETHEREAL COSTUMES. not playable ethereals (i think that is probably the worst single player race idea), but costumes like the ninja and pirate costume wands you can get. i just want to be able to look like one for a while.
I have to say that I like the idea of new races being added, and if the next expansion really will be the last one, it sort of makes sense that Blizzard would want to flesh out their game with more character options (as most people have been asking for all along) before it’s finally ‘finished.’
I also like the idea of Goblins and Worgen, and agree with much of the evidence given to support the idea that they will indeed be playable races, BUT…
Isn’t everyone forgetting that goblins and werewolves are thematic to Hallowe’en? Why should anyone be surprised when a festival has elements that are already thematic to that festival added to it? Let’s not take the ‘masks’ as being evidence until we see such evidence for something other than the holiday that’s already about goblins and werewolves. Call me when there’s Goblin/Worgen items for Winter’s Veil, Children’s Week, or Brewfest. That’s when I’ll start to celebrate.
FINALLY! I love goblin females. <3
If worgen become a playable race they better come from Gilneas, and have like a quest-line to get them out of it and into either the Horde or Alliance, much like the DK start quests…
This might help with the conversion of non believers to believers… Or maybe have no effect on anyone at all…
Back in the days of Everquest, you couldn’t go into a swamp, bog, are watery cave without there being a froglock. They were a common enemy for everyone to kill, and there were so many of them that almost in every starting zone there was a froglock of some sorts… However, people loved the Froglocks (much like how people love murlocs…) So what did Everquest do? in one of the expansions they made the froglock a playable character. Maybe they are doing the same thing with worgens and golbins. Prehaps, Since everquest was a great game, they are taking more from that game to maybe increase people’s love of the game, just as the Froglocks did on Everquest. I mean, WoW already took a lot of things from EQ, Thorns for druids, Paladins buff and heal, Beastmasters use pets and long range attackes, basically like hunters… and WoW is working fantastic! So many people play it, so maybe if they relate more to EQ in this way, then they can find a way to seal the deal with even more people
As I said… just an idea. Very unlikely but just an Idea…
Forget Worgen and Goblins. I vote Vrykul and Ogres. They’ve got a much better background lore behind both of them and would make more sense than having worgen be playable.
I mean, if you read up on the Worgen, they were brought to Azeroth by Arugal and they “come from another dimension, and exist only to terrorize and destroy. These creatures are thoroughly evil, delighting in torturing and devouring intelligent creatures.” (from WoW Wiki). Why would anything that exists only to terrorize and destroy join the alliance or horde? (Dont get started on the whole DK storyline because that, imo, was stupid as well). It would be just the same as making one of the burning legion races playable, not that i wouldn’t mind Satyr at all; they’re sweet haha.
Ok, First off… Worgen BETTER be Horde or im gonna get my Blizzard-Beating gloves on. They are OBVIOUSLY semi-intelligent and will not make the mistake of joining the Alliance again. Second, theres no way in hell goblins would even consider joining the Horde after the 2nd or 3rd war (I dont remember, its been too long) because of the treason and horrors they faced with them, hence, why they are neutral now. :/
And finally, as much as I like Goblin as Alliance and Worgen Horde… It will never happen. Goblin would add another short race to the alliance and im sure they’re already whining they have to be paired up with those failures of a race called gnomes. And Worgen would add another, “ugly”, race to the Horde which would be a terrible idea. Horde is already outnumbered enough because of the little kids all joining the alliance to be human and night elf. So, dont hold your breath fellow horde, worgen are gonna be alliance. :/ I vote for both the classes being neutral and choosing a side after the introductory quests.
@ Rottingham
I kinda thought that way as well, only instead of Everquest I was thinking about Guild Wars. In the upcoming Guild Wars 2 the Charr are going to be playable. Maybe Blizz is thinking ahead to future competition?
@ModX
Said it before, but I’ll say it again. Draenei=playable Burning Legion race. Just remember, Blizzard is the group that writes lore for the game. Typically they write lore to fit gameplay. Wanna know the real reason we’re seeing Naxxramas yet again in Wrath? Because not enough people saw endgame content in Vanilla, so they’re offering it again here. It wouldn’t be a thing for Blizz to write up “seamless” lore to affix a specific Goblin cartel to the Horde and a specific nation of Worgen to the Alliance. The fact that you acknowledged the Death Knight storyline simply states that you accept Blizzard is capable of doing it.
“Ok, First off… Worgen BETTER be Horde or im gonna get my Blizzard-Beating gloves on. They are OBVIOUSLY semi-intelligent and will not make the mistake of joining the Alliance again.”
Um the Worgen never officially joined the Alliance. And if the whole “make the mistake join the Alliance again” was true, then why are the High Elves still with us? I mean we did betray them and poof there they are in Dalaran being all “Horde stay on your side of the city” with their own brethren. XD
And for the whole “choose your faction thing”: very very very unlikely. Despite the whole change your faction deal, I don’t see this being a “choose your faction deal”. While goblins are technically nuetral, they’ve always favored the Horde. They are *not* going to ruin their reputation with the Alliance by having a sub-section rejoin the Horde. Why? Because some have already joined the horde! There’s tons of Goblins in Horde cities with Horde-reputation doing their business only with the Horde currently, and yet, the Alliance doesn’t rage war with them.
I know I’m no Blizzard authority, and until the expansion is officially released do we know anything set in stone. But I believe the whole faction change thing is mainly to balance out servers more than be justify “choose your faction” (let’s think about it, how many players would change faction to join their friends if they could keep their class/main AND not have to re-level? Lots.).
Players are picking what side they’re on the minute they create their character, I severely doubt Blizzard is going to change that. The #1 reason I believe that is because I just don’t see Blizzard allowing the same-looking races on both sides of the WSG battlefield.
ModX:
Worgen weren’t just summoned by Arugal; they were also summoned and fought alongside a Night Elf Sentinel. They’re also raging war against what is presumed the Burning Legion on their home-world. Obviously if they can wage war and take orders (the Sentinel ordered them to stay in the Howling Vale and there they remain, albeit hostile, they’re still there), they do have some intelligence.
And Vykrul make just as little sense joining the Alliance as Worgen (or even less than Worgen I would argue). These are the beings who killed the weak and “sickly” babies that weren’t like them AKA the first Humans. Why would they want to tie themselves to the smaller and weaker descendants of their kind? Especially to serve under the banner of a Human king?
Ogres for the Horde, yeah it makes sense, I’ll admit that.
Well both races have a lot of potential. A tree of the goblins could ally with the Horde and a group of less feral Worgen would ally with the Alliance.
The scythe of Elune is still out there and from merely touching it, Duskwood=Pwnd. Imagine if you actually USED the thing. The original owner is a Night Elf which would be perfect for the Alliance. And the starting zone doesn’t have too be Gilneas for Worgen, although more likely, it can’t be so close too Undercity.
Goblins like the fundamentals of the Horde and almost exclusively serve them in some cases. So who’s too say a branch of Goblins wouldn’t remember the good old days and join the Horde, yet still remain Neutral with other Goblins, or friendly.
Balance is another faction here. These races would balance the sides perfectly. Horde has yet to get a short race and Alliance has yet to get a more deranged race. You connecting the dots here?
P.S. Goblin Fire Mage ftw.
DUDE. Playing as a Worgen would be total kickass race.
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But that’s just me.
Because the moment I saw a Worgen I was all like ‘OMG walking puppy! IWANTONEKTHX. ;^;’.
Yeah.
Ignore my rambling. Please.
@Caninese
I said the same thing near the top of the comments. It would kind balance out, becaue the goblins make a smaller type that like to use guns like the dwarves and the worgen are half humanoid, half animal like the tauren (About the dwarves and goblins… in my earlier post I already compared trolls to gnomes by both of them going to their closest ally’s major city after theirs were overrun… so I compare goblins to dwarves instead of gnomes…)It does kinda make sense, though.
@thebitterfig
I completely agree. It’s like the Dreanei being an exiled Burning Legion and the DKs storyline actually making them enemies with the ones who made them DKs. I never even thought of The Grimtotem Taurens, but I did think of thr Amani trolls. There are lots of different “factions”, if you will, that are playable that the same race is hated for. I don’t know if this is a good example, but aren’t paladins and The members of the Scarlet Monastary basically the same thing? Only that one is “Evil” as we all know? Well don’t they fight against the Lich King Like all other Paladin groups? they are just corrupt or exiled like the Dreanei or the Darkspear trolls. And the Orcs are originally from outlands, but they exiled from that too. Now they came into slavery once they were out but they did exile themselves from the Burning Legion. So As you said, these could be different “Factions” of Goblins and Worgen. Ones that are of higher standards that would prefer to fight for the horde or for the alliance.
@Rottingham
Goblins actually use the same skeletal structure as Dwarves. And they are a technical race like Gnomes 2 =P.
Actually, I’m with that poster way up there; I don’t think those masks ARE worgen.
Firstly, although the ‘female’ does look foxlike or at least canine-ish, the male does not look canine at all. The nose structure is wrong, the muzzle is too broad; I agree, it does look more feline/leonine, in addition to the fact that the great cats in WoW have the long upper canines (which show on the masks, albeit not to ‘sabertooth’ levels) while the worgen have VERY long fangs both on the top and bottom. While it could be art-fail on the part of Blizzard, I’m PRETTY sure their artists know how to draw a wolf.
Yes, the name of the skin involves the short tag of ‘Wo-’ but… I dunno. The male one looks like a gray lion to me.
Doesn’t fit, Nacht. All the other masks are named by the first two letters of their race, and the only race that looks anything like that animalistic bit are our resident wolf people, the worgen.
Not that it means anything. This is all just speculation, and it could just be Blizzard adding in a couple of masks for Halloween. However, usually Blizzard is really quick to tell the people when they are wrong, but usually won’t say anything if people are right about their guesses.
Hmm … Do we have any hints of a feline race in Warcraft lore? Maybe in one of the other games?
No currently known feline races in WoW, but that wouldn’t stop Blizzard from introducing some. But that still leaves us with the Wo, and keep in mind that these are just masks, and might look different as facial textures.
So far I’ve played all the Warcraft games, and haven’t really ever come across anything that counted as feline humanoid creatures. But then again…. draenei :I IF there was going to be a new furry race, it would most likely be the worgen.
Actully…there ARE feline humanoids…they’re not classified, but the tiger/panther guys that Thekal and Arlook morph into are feline humanoids, not to mention Roar in the wizzard of Oz Kara event
I want to be a Goblin with engineering. ^_^
I hope its worgen… I’m not to big on cats… Although a cat/humaniod race wouldn’t be too bad if it were more lion like then another cat… I would still prefer worgen, though.
And we don’t even know if these are going to be new races, or if there will even be new races. I just really hope that these are. I would definatly make a goblin and Worgen if they were… although I think other amazing races would be Murloc, Ogre, or some sort of new Reptilian race, Like those Dragon humaniods.
Nacht:
I see how they don’t look totally wolf-ish, but i gotta agree with Palla. Doesn’t make sense. The only cat-people we’ve seen are the transformed priests of the Troll Loa gods/goddesses. We certainly do not have any lore for them and what we do know is that Blizzard has already stated that if there is a new race it will be one that’s already in-game now and pre-seeded into lore. Cat/fox people don’t meet that criteria.
I took a closer look at the masks myself. the female one does look a little foxlike, probably just there wayof making the female one look really feminine. I think its looks beautiful :)
As for the male, yea the nose is off for it to be wolfish, ima wolf fanatic so that was one thing i did noticed from the start. But taking a closer look you can also see a main…now i doubt this is a feline or lion main..for those people that really know wolves, this is probably just a wolf main (yes wolves can have thicker mains to)
It probably just stands out more cause maybe this will be a “faceial hair” oftion later for the mails like with other races. Iv seen a few wherewolf movies where they had mains (van hell sing was one of them, sexy werewolves to > lol as for the goblins masks….SHREK AN FEONA!
Rikaku:
That is true, but we also didnt see alot of blue space goats and now they are a playable race. They very well could be an entirely new race… And Blizzard has said alot of things that they took back… Ghost wolf anyone?
option for the males***
god my typing sucks lol sry for the doubt post
Incorrect, Z. The draeni were actually in the Swamp of Sorrows, at least the Broken were. So yes, we saw blue space goats, but we didn’t see the uncorrupted version. But I will agree with you on one thing, Blizzard is going to do whatever they want to do, even if it goes against something they said before. You didn’t even use the best example. The best example? “Shaman and paladins will NEVER be able to be in the same party together, EVER.”
Yeah, I totally agree that shaman should have never been on aliance,a dn pallies should have never been on the horde.
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Worgen Pally anyone?
I’d say that the worgen masks are definitely that. While they do have some feline qualities, it just screams “werewolf” when I look at them. I still feel that even though people are dismissing these masks because they’re just that might want to take into consideration that Blizzard is normally not one to waste time in planting items (high rendered ones, for that matter) into WoW’s files for a lark.
While they aren’t above tossing us a joke image once in a while, they have been dropping a lot of hints over the past few weeks and Blizzcon is only a month away. This is about the time when they’d start seeding more hints to generate hype and discussion about what their currently unrevealed plans will be. So, I’m going to have to agree with Boubouille’s sentiments about Goblins and Worgen being the next playable races.
I am tentative. Really, I WANT worgen to be a playable race, so I am trying to temper my hope with realism. Or at least pessimism. *Laughs* I do think we’ll know for sure, one way or another, at Blizzcon. Blizzard is very good at building up hype.
Z:
That is true, but when it comes from Chilton, the guy who basically calls all the Blizzard shots I think it trumps any blue post you find on the forum. Also, he made the statement AFTER the Draenei were implemented, so you can’t use them as an example of when a race with nore real pre-seeded lore was added in.
Rottingham:
Yes, lore-wise Paladins and Shamans should’ve stuck to their factions. However, keeping them seperate made it incredibly hard to balance the two. Overall, I think allowing them to be on both sides was a good call because Paladin and Shaman have come a long way from their Vanilla WoW standards.
@Rikaku
I still think that they should have one class just for alliance and one class just for horde… It would make more people enjoy Alliance, ya know? Everyone seems to hate it in some way, shape, or form…
@Palla
I hope that they annouce something about new races at this Blizzcon… Otherwise we might have to wait until next years :*(
I have to agree, Rikaku, but I don’t have to like it. As time goes by, the differences in the factions is becoming less and less. Unfortunately I’d have to say that in about 70% of those cases, the racials, that is a nessecary thing. But the defining lines between the two are blurring more and more. If I had to be perfectly honest, I’d say that there isn’t any real reason for the Alliance and the Horde to fight anymore. Think very hard about Strand of the Ancients. Why are we fighting over that, again? And Wintergrasp. Wintergrasp has exactly zero tactical value. Your telling me that the ALliance and the horde are waging mass war on each other to…..control a dungeon full of bad things? ….uh, shouldn’t we be fighting to try to get the OTHER side to take it?
I’ve rambled off topic a bit, but the point I am trying to make is this. The factions don’t really matter anymore. Pretty much you can just pick whatever race you like that has the class you want to play and go with it, so long as your not trying to play with friends.
Oh, and at this point, if the two had been kept seperated, the horde would be getting the short end of the stick, instead of vice versa. Retribution paladins and protection paladins are insane now. Don’t get me started on holy, and Blizzards ‘fixes’.
Actually, I feel like a mini-rant here. I am sure most of you don’t keep up on paladin news, but Blizzard promised to make holy paladins more versitile but at the expense of our mana regeneration. Their idea of more versitility? The ONLY thing they ‘improved’ was they made beacon of light work with overheal. SOMETHING IT SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
*Coughs* Sorry. Now in return for this, they HALVED illumination. Here is something that royally ticks me off. Not long before this, I think it was GC stated that they didn’t like that holy paladins were focusing on critical. They said they didn’t think it was ‘fair’ that holy paladins could forsake MP5 for critical. …..so what your telling me is that you don’t like it that holy paladins can have a slightly different play style? What….the…!@#$ kind of logic is that? And then we get a ‘buff’ in the form of a FIX we have been asking for since Wrath started, and in return they force paladins into having to gather th same kind of gear as all the other healers. *sighs*
My final rant on this is Blizzard philosophy of ‘bring the player, not the class’. Why would anyone take a paladin healer over ANY of the other healers? Before now, it was mana longevity, for what that was worth. And now? We just had our primary mana saver HALVED. At this point paladins have been collecting gear for that almost exclusively, and now they have to change it. Don’t give me that ‘tank healer’ line, either. Every other healing class can do it just as well, AND they have tools for being able to adequately deal with AoE damage. Beacon of light DID just become more useful, but it is still no replacement for the real AoE heals. It just…..buggers the crap out of me.
I would explode if worgen became a playable race. I would start playing again, because even after getting killed by a worgen, I still think they are the most amazing humanoids ever. Pre-Wrath, I would get so excited when I would get the worgen buff in Karazhan. Oh goodnes… How I love worgen.
Well, Holy pallys get the lw end of the deal… But I hate ret pallies in BGs.
They are pretty cheap… I really don’t like How they bubble and then Heal all the time. If I start a fight with a pally, the take my lif half down and then before they die they bubble… Then they fully heal and take down the other half of my life… I swear those are worse then rouges on a hunter anymore.
I agree that Holy Pallies should be better and instead take some cheapness out of Ret…
Sorry, i know that this is a worgen/gobling/race/faction/Hallow’s Eve type of forum right now… But I feel I had to get that off my chest… It’s not like Blizz will do anything about it though…
… Sorry Palla if that’s not exactly what you were implying either…
Rottinham, I was in a BG yesterday where it took five of us THREE MINUTES to get a retribution paladin anywhere near dead. And anytime I can’t drop a retri before it gets in judgement range, I can probably kiss my sorry kiester goodbye. Retribution paladins are keyed a bit high at the moment, and protection paladins are starting to overshadow the other tanks again. Retri’s now have a good deal of survivability AND a ridiculous damage output. But yea, that’s pretty close. I am a bit miffed that retri and protection paladins are top of the totem pole, while holy is at the bottom.
@Palla,
They really do need to fix Holy Pallies… I remember the good old days when our healer did so much healing that things would attack him, but because he’s a pally he had plate and bubble so it made a nice difference. Now, They really don’t heal much anymore… And it’s a shame :*(
And I just for the first time saw the masks. I like the goblins looking like shrek and fiona (Somebody in a higher post said that, too) But for the worgen, As said before, it could be a different type of worgen. I could see that thing as a wolf, More then I could see it being a lion. And the female looked wolfish still to me, even though there was a bit of fox-look in her. But if she were gray, then wouldn’t she look more like a wolf? Just a thought… Oh well
Eh, we heal, but Wrath totally screwed with our healing style. Originally, it was flash of light until you needed a bigger heal, then holy light, then back to flash of light. Flash of light costs next to nothing, and with a high critical rate it costs even less, so paladins could heal forever. Spike damage was dangerous, but workable. Forget healing AoE damage reliably. Now paladins are urged to use holy light almost primarily, which is probably where the problem is coming in at. Because of the inflation of stats, paladins can spam holy light nearly ad infinitum without having to rely on to much else. But that’s again only reliable for single target healing. Our multi-target healing is……different. A paladin can reliably heal two targets at full strength because of beacon of light. This looks AWESOME on paper, because it means you can heal other targets and the tank without having to worry. In reality, it just means you have to hit holy light one time less, and if any more then two targets are taking damage, your still likely to be screwed if there is any prolonged AoE damage.
Rottingham:
I get that that there should be a class difference between Alliance/Horde, but it just doesn’t work out well with a class. In any case, regardless of what you’d get, you’d have 2 classes that’d have to be tweaked to be the same thing just different flavors. If that’s the case, then they’re not the same at all in retrospect and they shouldn’t be equal.
I mean yes, I hate the fact that Horde got Paladin, I actually don’t really see Alliance getting shaman making me hate Alliance more, it just seemed crazy (but then again, blue space-goats technically through lore out the window so what do I know about lore in the first place) XD. But Horde getting Paladin really makes me mad and to this day whenever I see a BE paladin, I strive to kill him.
By I, I mean 5 other Alliance and I.
Stupid ret…
OMIGOSH OMIGOSH A WORGEN HUNTER SHWING BADABING
@Palla and Rikaku,
I can sometimes take them on one on one, but If i do I have barely any health left and then the next guy just one shots me… And the healing can use more work. Blizz realy made Pallies a blessing and a curse… normally I can only stand one…
Oh I can take them under normal circumstances. To stereo type, most paladins are stupid. Plain and simple stupid. But sometimes you’ll come upon one or two who really know how to play the class to its fullest, and then your in for a fight. If it’s retri then it all depends on the gear they are using. If it’s better then yours, your porked. If it’s a protection paladin, then just…..go kill something else. For your sanity. Please.
Ok, you guys keep mentioning how the Draeni came outta nowhere, with no lore tied to them, but they had a lot of lore tied to them, just not previously stated and talked about lore. Plus, if you played regular Warcraft (or the sequel I should say), you would have known about Draeni when you heard about “The Burning Crusade” expac. So they didn’t really just pop out of nowhere…
People who never played Frozen Throne thought or think they came out of no where. That was the first real look at Outlands. So it isn’t unlikely to think that a great deal of people who played WoW, an MMO, wouldn’t have played Warcraft III:Frozen throne. Also, the broken only inhabit one spot way off in the edge of the Swamp of Sorrows. Alliance has very little reason to go there, and it’s not really a hugely popular horde leveling spot either. Sunken Temple sits over on the edge, but unless your just wandering around to get there you’ll never have to go through them or see them. So yea, to a lot of people it was out of left field. Course that doesn’t mean that them and their space ship make a ton of sense, but oh well.
And on topic, a good pet for a worgen….hrm….a corehound!
Hey guys, I have a request for help based on Mania’s last topic – Zardoz’s stats for pet popularity. I was speaking to Zardoz about showing popularity by appearance/skin, rather than the particular NPC that was tamed. He was interested in doing this, and I offered to help him by compiling a table of pet skins vs pet id #s. I managed to do this fairly easily by fishing data out of Wowhead.
But… there were a few things that aren’t straightforward, as some pets have special traits that aren’t reflected in their pet skin name. For example the ghost saber and the disembodied jormungar have transparent appearances even though their skin name is the same as the standard opaque one. Other pets change skins each time they’re summoned. So I’ve had to manually add something to mark things like these as different.
What I was hoping for is if you guys know of any other pets that have special appearances or behaviours about them that aren’t reflected purely in their skin name or pets that were removed a long time ago and might not be in Wowhead anymore. I have posted a topic on Mania’s forums (in the Pet Discussion forum) that lists what I have so far, if you could please go there and give me feedback if you can think of anything.
Thanks :)
I don’t know. Blizzard is going to have to do some major story revising for both races if they become playable.
Yes, Goblins were allied with the Horde, but that was only one of the five Trade Princes, who admitted that he made a mistake and pulled out after the Second War, and all Goblins have been neutral ever since. Though in the spirit of their former alliance the goblins do seem to aid the Horde more than the Alliance (all of the goblins in Thrallmar wear Horde tabards, too).
Worgen, though… except for the ones in the village in Silverpine, who become Worgen by night and human by day, all of them have been shown as nothing but vicious beasts who will attack and kill any other living thing. Plus most of them are from another planet too, with some being part of a curse. And unless they get shapeshifting powers like Shamans and Druids to travel around, seeing a Worgen on a mount would be really strange.
If Blizzard finds a away to do it without screwing up big time, good. Personally I’d rather have Furbolgs as a playable race. There’s the one tribe in Winterspring you can ally with, and both sides have had Furbolg allies in the past games.
Also, they MUST have the Demon Hunter as a new Hero Class at some point.
Now that I take a good look at the male “worgen” mask, it’s true that it does look more like a cat. The teeth, and eyes look more like hunter pet cats than worgen. The female looks like a fox, not werewolf like.
So is it possible they’re introducing a fox like race and a cat like race? Hmmmm….
I think worgen will fit in with alliance pretty well- they shapeshift from human and I cant see why have worgen without the shapeshifting ability.
and goblins will fit in with horde- counterbalancing the gnomes.
as for lore- nothing stopps blizzard from writing another chapter to the story in WoW.
as for spread of the species- trolls are all over the place just as much as goblins and more than worgen but they have a tiny village that generates all the thousands of playable troll characters. size and spread has nothing to do with it. you dont even need a city.
you can just say “this groups of patriots/renegades have joined the cause of alliance/horde”.
A good worgen pet…hm…something Avian, to contrast the wolfyness.
@Palla and Firewing
Of cousre the best Worgen pet is a moth! :P Just find it funny to watch a worgen chace after something, htne a giant butterfly right after him :P
@Witrely
That is true. Blizz could make just Renegades/patriots become a race. Kinda like the draenei. They were exiled from the rest of the Burning Legion and worked on the side of the alliance.
I would love Blizz to just completely fool us and madke the new races Kobold and murloc :P
My bad… messed up a lot on the last statement…
U would love it if BLizz just completely fooled us to make the new races Kobold and Murloc :P
Thats better
I wouldn’t try to read too much into the shape of the faces in the hallow’s eve masks. Most of the previous ones have looked like goofy parodies of races (presumably intentionally), so the mask is unlikely to have much bearing on the appearance of a theoretical player race.
I feel like the flatter faces are just a result of a 3D image mapped on a 2D surface. Maybe it’s just me, but my wolf Fenris looks slightly feline close up head on.
This looks fishy to me. My first thought was that Blizz made these knowing we would jump to the conclusion of new races to (further, depending on your standing in the whole thing) justify the removal of the Worgen pet.
Or, you know, it could just be a jab at it, but neither of those seem very eligible for new races.
Both are highly eligible as new races.
Goblins have been part of the Horde throughout most of the Warcraft series. Just because the Steamwheedle Cartel is neutral doesn’t mean that one or more other trade princes can’t contract exclusively with Thrall. The Horde gets a gnome-like race (probably with similar class spread and racial abilities) and one with a TON of lore and hooks into the game’s storyline. And assuming that the Maelstrom/South Seas is the next expansion, the expansion’s big neutral city is going to be Undermine, the goblin capital, which would make sticking in a goblin newbie zone elsewhere on the island of Kezan pretty natural.
And if you’ve done the Horde quests in Silverpine, or the quests in Grizzly Hills, you know that most Worgen aren’t slavering monsters full-time — most of them are humans, mutated by magic. Gilneas has been cut off from the rest of the Eastern Kingdoms for more than a decade, and is very, very close to Pyrewood and the magics emanating from Shadowfang Keep. It wouldn’t be hard to buy Gilneas as a country full of transformed humans, now worgen. The Gilneas gate opens up, the Forsaken, quite naturally, attack this new group of worgen, driving the worgen into the arms of the Alliance (which Gilneas left some time ago), ironically mirroring the treatment that saw the Forsaken and Blood Elves pushed into the arms of the Horde.
Both are great candidates for new races and meet Blizzard’s test of not springing a race out of nowhere, but rather have it “seeded” in the game’s previous levels. Worgen have been around since the third push of alpha, predating even the goblins in the game.
OH! If you look at worgens in game they have large fangs that point up AND down! The masks do not have up pointing fangs!
Obviously these new worgen aren’t exactly the same as current in-game worgen, that’s what makes people think these are playable worgen. If they were just the faces of the in-game worgen, it wouldn’t cause as much hype as they have. These are not feline or fox-faced races as we don’t even have foxes in WoW for one so why there’d be a fox-race is beyond me. And like it has already been stated, the races to be released will be a race that’s already in-game and deeply seeded into lore. Fox/Cat people have no place in Azeroth as of the current game and thus would be exulded from the mask-race.
Sorry people, it is a worgen mask and a goblin mask.
Even if you don’t think they’ll be playable races, those masks are not called “Helm_Mask_Halloween_WoF and Helm_Mask_Halloween_WoM” if they weren’t WOrgen Male and Female. The goblin (and obviously goblin) masks are “Helm_Mask_Halloween_GoF and Helm_Mask_Halloween_GoM”, the GO being GOblin Male and Female; so it’d stand to reason the masks are in-fact Worgen or maybe Wolven (maybe Wolven will be the name of wolf-type character who are playable) or something else wolf-like…But I wouldn’t suddenly jump to the conclusion that they’re going to be felines or foxes and what-have-you.
Plus we’ve got the Kirin Tor Mage in-game saying that with the right funding he could make it so Worgen retained their humanity in their shifted state. All clues point to Alliance Worgen in the next expansion.
Thank you Gelannerai! That helps point the Worgen to the Alliance even more :D
@ Gelannerai
Oddly enough, I don’t recall that NPC. Who says that? *is all curious*
I think i’d rather have the next expac be the Emerald dream, though the Maelstrom is my second place vote. Also, if they bring in the Maelstrom they might finally bring back Kul Tiris…. =D
Gimlion:
According to the same post, the Emerald Dream got a revamp in 3.2. That makes me super curious as I still want to go there so freaking bad.
Moonbiter:
I think it’s one of the NPCs involved with the whole book of Ur/Arugal storyline. I can’t remember exactly which (I havent done the quest in about 4 years). XD
To everyone saying the lore wouldn’t support it, knock it off. I am not saying I disagree, but keep in mind that this is Blizzard. If they want it to, the lore will TAPDANCE for you. By way of example, the horde. Getting elves. I know, Blood elves, but the high elves were allied ((And the smart ones are STILL allied)) with the alliance for a bit now. Since Warcraft II at least, possibly even I, but that has been a long time. And yet it was not the alliance who got the high elves, but the horde who got the blood elves.
In short, it’s their game. They’ll do whatever they, regardless of whether or not it makes sense.
Very true, Palla. If they just wanted to go off and make the lore where murlocs were ancient herbalists that sung country, they could do it. WoW is Blizz’s game, and they could go anywhere with it they want. They could even make the new races armless bears and people with purple polkadots if they wanted to. Then they could find a way to tie them into the lore.
“Armless bears are the vicious aquatic creatures that the Naga would not dare try to go near! They hail from inside the Maelstrom!”
“The Purple Polkadots are a symbol of sickness, and thus they were abondoned by the Alliance. They now fight along side the horde!”
It is stupid, but if that;s what Blizz wants, Then that’s what we get…
The guy’s name is Alphus Wordwill, and here’s his take on the matter (borrowed from WoWiki):
Only one place in all of Lordaeron bears traces of this strange curse: the fortress of Shadowfang Keep and nearby Pyrewood Village in Silverpine Forest. I believe that this curse is somehow tied to the moon. When the full moon rises, those afflicted by this curse undergo a transformation, turning into strange, man-wolf hybrid creatures. This transformation is mental as well as physical; the worgen, if I may call them that, desire to hunt, slay and eat. No matter their dispositions as humans during the day, at night under the full moon these individuals are bloodthirsty monsters. This begs the question as to what can be done with them. Are we morally correct in eliminating them, as they are a danger to all mortals? I do not believe so; rather, I believe we should find a cure. If possible, this cure would not prevent the transformation, it would do more – it would preserve the afflicted individual’s mindset after the transformation. Such an effect would allow good-hearted worgen to take on fearsome physical abilities and use these against the Forsaken, the Scourge and other evil powers. Given proper funding and support, I believe that I could create such a cure.
I’m thinking they’ll play it like Wordwill creates the cure, but the tradeoff is those afflicted are permanently stuck in Worgen mode. This would fit with the newer, more “humanized/personality-oriented” models we see in the masks. These new Worgen don’t look as bestial as their bloodthirsty cousins because the cure has given them more of a balance between their two natures.
@Gelannerai,
That would work really well. But then would Wordwill be the King of the Worgen Major City? who would do that? or would there maybe be another storyline not yet in the lore that would maybe do that?
Personally I would love for those two to become factions. Ever since I started playing wow I have wished for the Worgen to be a race. A lot of people say it wouldn’t make sense but the fact is, it does make sense. Lots of it.
Goblins: While it is true that the goblins are purely neutral, it doesn’t mean ALL goblins are. Its been seen many times before that the Goblins favor horde. Just look at all their zepplin landing pads. Those aren’t midget trolls or orcs hanging around. A rouge few could have decided to join the horde because they were out-cast or the pay was good.
Worgen: Every time we see them, they seem to be some what smarter. Grizzly hills is a good reference to that concept. It is possible that a select few who were created by Argul were never completely under his control and broke off ( Sort of similar to the Death Knights. ) Perhaps they are the survivors of Gilneas. They are in the right area since Shadow Fang keep is jusy a few yards away, as is Pyrewood Village.
:3 So I hope this isn’t a rumor but a fact. WTB Worgen for the Alliance Kthx. ( Though if they are horde, I wouldn’t care I love both factions. )
Arugal* My bad. 8D Stupid typos.
I’d love to play an Alliance Worgen! That’d be cool. I only have my 1 main Night Elf Alliance Hunter character.
Well, I’m sure we could find Alphus (kinda sounds like Alpha to me….) behind the Greymane Wall. He might be a decent candidate for faction leader, but I’d probably put my money on Greymane himself being in charge.
So you think that greymane would be the faction leader? I would love it if Blizz worked so well to make a good lore for the Worgen, then make it go downhill by making the leader Arugal from a different dimension XD one where he is good, alliance is horde, adn Worgen are worgen during the day XD
Well Greymane would be easiest since he’s a pretty high-profile faction leader from previous games. To top it off, if we’re looking at balance between factions (i.e. in the vein of Horde getting Goblins so they can have a Gnome-like race and Alliance getting Worgen so we can have a more bestial race like the Tauren) then he makes a lot of sense. Look at his background/personality. He was constantly at odds with the other leaders of the Alliance and was quite vocal about his disdain for the Alliance in general and of King Terenas in particular. Alliance version of Sylvanas anyone? He’d be our “loose-cannon” faction leader. It fits like a dream.
And why I put a second ‘n’ in the word canon I’ll never know. :P
It could also be a faction leader from the real world where Worgens are from. Perhaps we’re not curing the sick so much as understanding just how to understand the Worgen in the other world who are seeking help (remember, they’re at war with Burning Legion). Regardless of the storyline, I see a Worgen-ambassador of some sort being the leader of a worgen-city (sorta like the BE’s with that one dude whose not Kael’thas but basically the leader of silvermoon).
Hmmm I sound crazy XD
“To everyone saying the lore wouldn’t support it, knock it off. I am not saying I disagree, but keep in mind that this is Blizzard. If they want it to, the lore will TAPDANCE for you. By way of example, the horde. Getting elves. I know, Blood elves, but the high elves were allied ((And the smart ones are STILL allied)) with the alliance for a bit now. Since Warcraft II at least, possibly even I, but that has been a long time. And yet it was not the alliance who got the high elves, but the horde who got the blood elves.
In short, it’s their game. They’ll do whatever they, regardless of whether or not it makes sense.”
Omg thank you! I am so sick of hearing how these races don’t fit into WoW lore. It’s a game people. Stories can be altered and written to Blizz’s hearts desire.
Well put, Jessypoo…
I am thinking that the chances these are two new races are slightly better than even. The chances of being able to choice one’s faction are absolutely nil. Having the same race on both sides would negate the instant visual recognition that Blizzard strives for (the same reason Taunka will almost certainly never be a player race; they’re too similar in appearance to Taurens). Worgen and goblins on both sides would play havoc with PvP, too.
@ Gelannerai
Ah, thank you! And I agree, the addition of this bit of knowledge makes the appearance of the Hallow’s Eve masks all the more purposeful–at least where the Worgen are involved. And like you, I agree that Greymane would still remain their faction leader. If Alphus was the one that helped the Gilneans regain their sense of humanity, then I’d imagine him to be a rather prominent figure to them.
And yes… The Alliance does need a “loose cannon”, other than Varian strutting around and puffing out his chest that is. I think Genn and his werewolves would make a very nice addition. *plotting grin*
Well, remember people, it may be Blizzard’s game and they can rewrite anything they want to whatever they want, but they’re not going to. The reason people had such a bad reaction with the Draenai is that the pretty much came out of nowhere. Blizzard said that it was a mistake they weren’t going to make again, either character, race, faction or story-wise. And one of the worst things you can do is to just start randomly changing established and well-known information to make something “fit”, that’s one of the things that struck a bad chord with many people in the Star Wars prequels.
If Goblins and Worgen are going to be in, coming up with their classes is going to be a challenge.
Goblins – Warrior is a given. Many Goblin NPCs are Warlocks and Mages, and Rogue works well. The only thing they worship is money, so Paladin is out, and possibly Priest as well. They have no care for nature or the elements, so no Hunters, Shamans or Druids. They’ll have to have Death Knights to keep with the “all races can play one” thing. So we have Warrior, Mage, Rogue, Warlock, Death Knight.
Worgen – Warrior is given. If they do retain their humanity they might also keep some of their magic powers as well, so Mages and Priests can work, but they might be wary of demonic power, so no Warlocks. Dunno how well Rogue would work with them, Worgen are more “in your face and rip it off”. Their beastly nature could allow them to be Hunters, but Druid and Shaman may be beyond their reach, and Paladin is also iffy. And then the Death Knight. So for them it’s Warrior, Mage, Priest, Hunter.
I also kinda want an Emerald Dream Faction. It’d be a very druid friendly faction, but then again, Wrath is fairly magey friendly. They should also have an ED faction cause I want a green dragon mount to match my druid, dangit!
@ Rottingham
I can SO see a huge wolfy thing of doom chasing after a bright white, angelic moth. xD
And lasty, I agree with the post above me. I think they might be able to pull off shaman just because of their beastly nature. It’d make them more intune with the elements, if you ask me, especially if these are more mild and tame, and less savage and “I WILL TEAR OUT YOUR THROAT NOAW”.
Anyway, that’s how I feel. Take it with a grain of salt. Or Kibler’s Bits.
I actually disagree, worgen would make good rogues, and maybe even good druids and shaman, definitely far ahead of mages and priests. And death knights are a given for EVERY race. If Arthas could raise it, it could be a death knight. I think a saw a few death knight chickens wandering around…..
Well, according to WoWiki the currently accepted classes for Worgen are Barbarian (whatever that would be in-game), Mage, Warrior, Warlock, and Priest. I would have to think that Rogue could easily fit in there as well. Not sure about the Death Knight inclusion for either Worgen or Goblins since, well, aren’t all the DK’s already accounted for? Or is the Ebon Blade actively making more on their own now?
Off-topic to Mania:
What one person has done in your ‘Data’ post is horrendous. I’m sure I speak for everyone here in that we all appreciate you very much, and hope that you report this person to the authorities before you delete everything they did.
All that spam, hate, and specific offense is quite literally criminal.
I’m sorry that someone felt it necessary to do this on your site. :(
Yeah, I’m along with Flinkbaum. I was going to congratulate you on the level 10 for life, but some morons made it too hard to even read or get to the bottum of the page. I hate people who think that they are cool like that…
What did they plan to accomplish from doing that, anyways?
I am truely sorry that such idiots had to post spam an filth like that on your forums. People are just liek that sometimes… such idiots…
as a hordie, i am biased on wanting worgen on horde, but if they do make worgen playable, and they r on alliance, i am rolling an ally, and i bet they will have fist weapon mastery =)
Fist Weapon mastery would be out of the blue, but i’d like it. I mainly want to see a worgen with one of those wolf helmets :P see what happens there
All the worgens are now just white wolves,Blizz sucks.
You know. I just thought of something. What if it’s not so much Goblins for the expansion but…. Ogres. Now just give me a second here. Ogres were/are definitely Horde, and have no nuetrality issues. Ogres and Worgen both share a strange class we’ve never encountered before “Barbarian”.
What if Goblins were a mask (seeing as they aren’t very HQ masks in the first place) but these Worgen weren’t? What if its Worgen and Ogres who are the new races? I mean Ogres would make more sense joining the Horde (thus excluding everyone’s theory of Alliance issues) and there’s a female mask too! A female mask we’ve never even seen in-game, just like the Worgen.
I think I’m changing my bet personally. I’m putting it on Worgen for Alliance, Ogres for Horde, and that leaves it open for the introduction for a new Hero class, Barbarian.
Oh. Snap.
Ok well it’s just a theory, if Horde get goblins still, I’ll be happy. Just as long as Allies get the Worgen. ;)
I’m thinking Blizzard is just trying to keep things mixed up. They slipped up last week with the masks, and are now trying to cover that up, keep people confused if you will, by adding these new masks of existing races. Just my guess.
Yeah, I agree Palla. But I’m just keeping my options open. I think Blizz just decided to try and tantalize us (I mean they know sites like MMO-Champion will data-mine everything, so if they didn’t want us finding it they wouldn’t implement it). I think that there will be a big WoW announcement at Blizzcon and it will shed light on all of this.
Totally agreed, Rikaku. Blizzcon will give us at least some answers.
Ya know, more and more it just seem’s like Blizzard doesn’t actually care what it’s playerbase wants, in any degree. I am not saying feed all the idiots out there who want everything on a platter, but…..you think will all the people who went out of their way to tame a hydra, Blizzard would get the hint. I am just using that as an example, mind, but the basic idea remains.
Goblins…Worgen…what about Pandaren???Would be awesome to play an brewmaster *hick*
Well, I just logged in and my lovely but useless worgen is now a plain old white wolf from Northrend. I hate blizzard….
THey probably meant to do that so that if worgen is a playable race, then they wouldn’t want people running around with one. I mean look, other pet bugs it tok them a while before they fixed it, it took this one just a few days before they did. Now, unless they had something important to do with the worgen, wy else would they fix that? They haven’t fixed my ooze or hydra, and I know a hunter who still has his ghostwolf. so, If blizz didn’t fix those, but they fixed the worgen, There has to be a very good reason.
I think the reason they got rid of the Worgen IS probly cuz they’re gonan be playable, but it also may be that he actully had a model to change him bak too, unlike the Hydra and Ooze, who were merely mislabled. But that of course doesnt explane why they took abilitys away soo…probly is cuz they’re becoming playable =D
Agreed
Same. I mean after all, first they let us keep ghost wolves and then BAM made untameable right? They never gave us a real reason (I call BS on “feel of the hunter class) but then months later BAM Shaman’s got ghost wolves.
Coincidence? I think not.
I’m betting on Worgen = removed because they’re the next race.
debating about the next expansion set is quite interesting indeed.
I personally think that Goblins and Worgens are both possible new races for next
expansion… Before everything, let us talk about the possible races in WoW.
Ogre: Ogre is also good race to talk about, as it was mentioned before Burning Crusade expansion’s Horde new race. However, we know that Ogre is almost single
gendered. Have you seen a female like Ogre? at least I have not. In wow, both male
and female are necessary for being playable race. well… today Blizzard updated
female Ogre face mask…. so I don’t know.
Naga: well this is not really possible I guess… but considering that Death Knights turn aside on Lich King, everything is possible. We can say Nagas wanted to
escape from Azshara’s control… and turned aside. Nagas’ also consist of famle and
male, so possible!…. or is it? since naga’s don’t have legs… So they can’t
wear boots…. and…. how would they be able to ride mounts…? wrapping the
horse with their tails?… well not really probably case of new race. period.
Goblins & Worgens: although neither really have much to interact with WoW’s history
nor story, they are probably. In fact, what I found to be strange was the fact that
Blizzard actually put efforts to make femlae Worgen’s face. Goblins are also neutral faction to both Horde and ALliance….
Well my quess is that if either goblins or worgens are in, both will be just like
death knights. starting at their zone [field instance] and at level 10, select
which group to join. Since Blizzard had some fun with Field Instance Technology in
Lich King,,, I guess this could be possible.
After all, adding new race is just cooler. In Burning Crusade, addition of Blood Elves and Drenei did great job, pulling in lots of users back to WoW. But in Lich
King… the fact that Death Knight starts with level 55 and large populations of
them… made it now as efficient.
I don’t think Naga will be playable, at least, not by the next expansion. The only reason being the Cataclysm is when Naga were “born” so to speak. Regardless of what the new races turn out to be, there will no doubt be demons and Naga in this expansion due to the heavy lore behind the entire “Great Sundering” concept. As for Naga being playable after that expansion? Completely plausible and possible if Blizzard wanted to push it.
It’s their game, they’ll lore it in how they want XD
But as for the neutrality than joining a faction, I completely disbelieve that will ever happen. Mainly because since Wrath’s release, Blizzard has been focusing more and more on the differences *in* faction.
To mention something from the forums I posted (so I’m just gonna c/p here)
Say there are Renegade goblins who start off neutral and you get to pick which faction you want to join. You can be either Renegade Alliance or Renegade Horde. And some people are saying that this would be logical because goblins are neutral and if they just joined the Horde, that the Alliance would no longer do business with them.
But it makes sense that the Alliance OR the Horde would do business with a Renegade Goblin, and alliance themselves with that group, with a group that doesn’t really care about factional differences?
I really don’t see Blizzard making factions make such a little impact; not after all the effort they just put into T9 armor just to make them look different based on faction XD
I don’t think they’ll have Worgen/Goblin/Ogre/What-have-you pick a faction after you’ve created your character; it’ll 99.9% still be something you have to choose when making your character.
I do agree that a new race is cooler (and prettier! Yay higher polygon count! XD), but I’m gonna take a stab here since we’re all Expansion-y. Next Hero class, Barbarian? maybe~~ At least that’s my guess X3
I’m guessing that Blizzard will be focusing more to creating new races than hero class. First of all, let us think of what other heoric classes are possible candidates from the WoW Lore. Blademasters, Demonhunters, Farseers, archmages and blah blah blah. [of course there can be much more... if Blizzard add'em. just like the case of Dranei, where Blizzard changed their stories about Eredar)
Blademaster is very similar to Warrior. In WC3, Bladestorm was their final skill, and warriors now have this skill for thier 51 weapon skill.Otherskills as well.
Farseers are basically shaman...the only class that I can think of being a seperate, and yet new class... is demonhunter. of course, demonhunters are similar to rogues... but I'm guessing blizzard can make demonhunter a warlock+rogue type
class that uses mana. Since "Supposedly" next expansion... stories in Maelstorm
will probably involve demons from Burning Legion and Naga... and maybe even
event-appearance of Sargeras [since Azshara tried to summon him] … demonhunter
may have some stories to tell. Of course, just my guess.
actually, I agree with Rikaku. Well, you are right about the fact that Blizz try to differentiate Hordes and Alliances, as in tier 9. But, faction wise… Death Knights are not really different. There’s a faction named “Knights of Ebon Blade” , the death knight faction led by Darion Morgraine. And yet, through the quest line involving death knights… players are returing to the faction they
originally were [say, before turning into death knight]. So it can be indeed…
when you make character, you choose the faction. Then around level 10-ish,
you will be joining the faction you choosed through the quest line. [until this,
in the field instance] You’re right. choosing your faction after the character creation… would mean… you can choose alliance… while all the characters in
your server are Hordes… Still, I believe next races can be neutral race…
Just like both Alliances and Hordes have death knights, both can have Goblins… or
Worgens or whatever…
May be indeed, it’s still way-to-far for us to think about thses matters… but
I really would like some new races : (
acutally … I want to add one more line…
well, for the comment on.. “Worgens look too evil/hostile”…
Weren’t Death Knights the same way… before Wrath…. ?
Rivendare was enemy, 4 Knights in Naxramaas was enemy… and blah blah.
Death Knights were generally considered enemy and hostile, purely working for
scourge. And They joined both Hordes and ALliances…. betraying Lich King.
So, I believe Worgens … why not ?
Some reasons why if the Worgen do become a playable class, they would be Alliance:
1. The playable Worgen would most likely be transformed Worgen, not natural ones, and therefore would have at one time been human.
2. Most, if not all, quests involving Worgen, especialy the scythe of elune quests, and the one in grizzly hills that mentions the scythe, are Alliance Quests.
3. Alliance are over due for a “cool looking” race.
This leaves me to wonder what important role the Worgen might play in the next exspansion, be it Maelstrom, or Emerald Dream….and more importantly… WHAT KIND OF MOUNT WILL THEY HAVE???
A mount for the worgen…hmm…well…I’m asuming it’ll be a wolf(probly not ANOTHER worg mount), maybe some kind of unarmored one and something with a spiked collar…not sure =/ and if they do get a wolf mount, theres another reason to make them ally…plz give ally a lupine mount! =D
Well as far as Worgen Mounts, i vote One-eyed, one-horned, flying purple people-eaters… but again, that is just me…
personaly i think Worgen would be an awesome race, but i think they would look strange on mounts, i would say instead of ground mounts just give them a 3 second cast speed buff, so they run extra fast, however idk bout flying mounts. oh well.
I’ve always wanted to play Worgen! Ever since I first saw them in Silverpine I was like “damn why can’t I play that instead of the stupid undead/tauren I’m playing now?” When I was doing reserch as to what the new BC races would have been and saw Worgen as a possibility I was wondering why they didn’t use them instead of the Blood elves and Dranei (whom I think both races are butt ugly). When Death Knights got introduced I kept changing between Night elf anf Blood elf races saying “this is cool but what I really want is a Death knight Worgen”. Playing a worgen has been my dream for like 2 years. If they make worgen playable it will be a dream come true.
(Now if only Blizz can fix the Hyena models and make Gnolls look cool and playable and then I’ll be Really, Really happy!)
Actaully, come to think of it… Guthorn…. your Idea is just great.
Worgen’s are believed to be like Wolves… like Garwal..
so there can be a buff… like druid’s flying form. around level 20 or something,
Worgen’s can “learn” wolf form… and like level 40… “Swift wolf form” … could
be an idea. 1.5 casting speed like reqular mounts, and usable only outside.
plus, not usable when in battle!
by the way, I don’t think Worgen’s have to be Alliance. as Z said.
Yeah, if we are going to get Worgens on our side, we have two choices.
1) Trasformed Worgens: Not originally one of Worgens, but transformed. mostly,
these guys were humans. However, consider the case of
undead Forsaken. They were once human as well, serving
Horde. So, because Worgens were originally human, they have
to serve Alliance argument… doesn’t really guarantee this.
2) Original Worgens:It seems that they’ve been fighting against Burning Legion.
So they can be neutral, selectable for both factions.
If you consider Scythe whatever is Alliance exclusive, quest relating Arugal,
the original summoner of Worgens, was located in Horde region. So relations to
Horde as well.
As of now, we cannot really say which faction they will be, if not neutral.
As of Mounts…. well, transformation is good idea… but something like Hyena
would not be the bad one.
yea thats true, i mean i would never have envisioned tauren looking good on a mount, but then kodos came around, so i guess blizz will figure something out, of course this is all hypothetical because we have no guarantee that worgen will even be a race. =)
Guthorn// but I still want to see… Worgen on Wolf mount, and have Wolf pet as hunter. Worgen with wolf pet and mount… just awesome.
Maybe the worgen would get a Northrend Wolf mount. That would be pretty cool. Although, since they can have a wolf form then it might be weird riding a wolf around. Correct me if I’m wrong, but It might seem like a human riding a gorilla around :/
For the flying mount, what about a bat? An armored bat? And when it walks on the ground, It walks with it’s wings as front legs like the Proto-drakes do.
Sorry for posting again so soon, but if worgen are a new playable race for the alliance, and goblins are the new race for horde, why not give both sides a mount with two of the other factions mounts in it for better equality. Worgen would get a skeleton wolf, so basically the undead and orc moutn put into one. And the goblins would get a mechanical lion, so the night elf and Gnome mounts together. Since Alliance are yet to get an undead mount, and worgen are part wolf, then it would be a good idea for the skeleton wolf. Since Horde never got a cat mount or a mechanical mount, it would be good for that faction to get two in the same. Just a thought…
Rottingham// Not bad idea for the mount I guess. But, if Worgens are
alliance, I don’t think they’ll have Skeleton wolves… Wolves makes sense, but
Worgens don’t really have relations to Undeads to begin with.
[Yeah, sure thing that Arugal joined Scourge at the end, and there are transformaed Worgens... but as of their origin, Worgens are not really related to
Undeads]
I still hope the Worgens to be on the Horde’s side… if they ever have chance to
come out on next Expansion. Or…. Goblin Death Knights might not be bad.
The run speed buff thing is a good idea Guthorn…. but that would once again tip the faction mount numbers that Blizzard has been working so very hard to fix… And goblins are most likely to get a shredder mount of some kind.
Well, what they could do is make the worgens have the speed burst, and then the golbins have a small motorcycle or mechanical thing to ride around on. But, so the alliance can have them too, you must become revered or exhaulted in any neutral area with goblins to get them. So Booty bay or Ratchet would be good. And there can be a vendor there with the alliance ones and another vendor with horde ones. The only differance would be that Goblins can start off with these instead of having to increase rep with factions.
Actully…I do agree with wolf form and ally can get the moter cycle(seems a little unfair to get another cycle and well..Shammys have wolf form but…) think it’s all in all a pretty good idea but…even if Worgen DO look stupid on mounts…they’re still gonna have to be able to ride on mounts…I mean…they cant just have 2 wolf forms and not be able to ride on any other mount =P
I wonder what dance theyll have. Hopefully something…halloweenish. And without a doubt the best pet for a Worgen Hunter would be Mazzranache, The Pink Flamingo of Death.
They might dance like Jack Skellington from Nightmare Before Christmas! That would be funny. Or, the Big Bad Wolf did a Dance in a movie before. they might have them dance like that. Although i have no Idea what the females would dance like…
Goblins would maybe dance like flaminco dancers! Or do the tango!
y is everyone calling me guthorn? its an M people. lol anyways, i do like the idea of mechanical tigers and skeleton wolves, thatd be pretty awesome. and speaking of dances,i just noticed that the male blood elf dance is the 1 on napoleon dynamite lol. but it is true that goblins will probably have some kind of mechanical mount, and worgen will probly have something to do with wolves, it actualy depends on what creatures are in the worgen zone, since no one knows what its like, could be brand new creature. didnt they come out with moths in BC?
ima double post here, but Z on post 186, i think it is more likely that playable worgen would be natural worgen, it wouldnt truely be new races if they made human-worgen, itd be like having high elves and blood elves.
sorry for 3rd post in a row, but i ment high elves and blood elves both being playable.
-Guthorm
Natural Worgen are the “Completely evil, from another demension, pleasure and tearing you apart while still alive” kind of guys. The Human-Worgens were at one point human, but were changed with a spell and lost their sanity. And i think someone said (too many posts so im not gonna try and find out who) that a guy in Dalaran said something about being able to give Worgen back their sanity if he had enough funds. And if they are the type of Playable Worgen, than most likely they will be Worgen skins not human skins, although being able to shift from human to worgen would be awsome. But these are just my ideas.
kk, i see your point, however they could easily make worgen lore so they had something like the orcs bloodlust and were cured of it, but truely, i just really want them on the horde lol…
If anyone here hasn’t found out the news yet…
Worgen and Goblin are confirmed as the new races. Worgen belong to Alliance and Goblin to Horde.
They will both have mounts, Worgen (odd boar-pig creature) and Goblin (moto-car).
Worgen will be able to shift between a human and their natural worgen state. Goblin males and females have already been added into Cataclysm Beta,
while worgen have only had male installed so far.
It’s apparent that Blizzard is having trouble with the appearance of the females. I believe they are coming close to how they will look, so Beta shall be coming soon.
-Elaadra, Eredar server.
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