Worgen Hotfixed; Blizzard Speaks
[Update]
Zarhym has just posted this about Blizzard’s feelings on the worgen pet:
The worgen should not technically belong to any of the pet families and was therefore removed. This means the pet no longer has access to pet talents or abilities. Whether or not similar circumstances with hunter pets in the past have occurred isn’t really relevant. Given the nature of the creature that was tamed in this case, we feel it should not belong to any of the eligible pet families from which a hunter can choose his or her combat companion.
There are several other responses from Zarhym in this thread. The most important so far:
It may yet still be removed altogether. I don’t have a final decision on that to share with you.
[/Update]
According to multiple reports we are getting now from the US and EU realms — and which I can confirm with my own worgen on Kaet — there has been a fundamental change in the nature of the tamed worgen which renders them somewhat useless.
- Worgen cannot be fed. You get the ominous message that “You do not have a pet.”
- Worgen do not have abilities or talents. You cannot get at their spellbook tab or the pet talent tab with one by your side.
- Worgen cannot be buffed. I can still use Mend Pet on mine, though, and for the moment the Glyph of Men Pet still seems to work to increase happiness.
- Worgen cannot be renamed, either normally or with a Certificate of Ownership.
- Worgen do not benefit from normal pet scaling. He has no resistances.
- Garwal can no longer be tamed in either form. Note that Beast Lore still says he can be tamed, but it lies.
As far as I can tell, this change to the worgen did not require realm downtime — since things were normal immediately after the downtime this morning in the US, and since things have changed in the EU, where they haven’t even had maintenance yet.
It looks to me like this may be a server-side change, perhaps to the underlying ‘pet-ness’ of the worgen. This also explains the fact that Beast Lore still says that Garwal can be tamed, since I believe Beast Lore uses client-side data. (Note, however, that he still shows up with the label ‘Wolf’ in the stable.)
On the good side, for now we still have a worgen-shaped pet. On the bad side, it is effectively a vanity pet.
(My thanks to Ashariel, who was kind enough to fill me in on the situation when I arrived to check out Garwal this afternoon. *grin*)
Table of Contents for Series: The Garwal Worgen Saga
- Pet … Worgen?! [Updated]
- Blizzard on Worgen Fate
- Worgen Hotfixed; Blizzard Speaks
- Speaking of Worgen …
- Tamed Worgen are Now Winterskorn Worgs [Updated]
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This …
This is harsh :/
My “MD to pet” macro also works, which is just downright odd. ^ ^
Wish they’d hurry up and actually make an announcement about this – although I have a feeling it’ll be along the lines of “Oops we made the wild mob untameable and it broke the tamed ones, sorry but we can’t fix it…” when it does come >.<
This is right, he is no longer tameable, has low hp, no skills/talents and can not be fed anymore.
Mend pet still works on him and i think you can still level him.
I am not even taking mine out of the stable until I hear from Blizz officially… If this was intentional… It really blows, and I am not a happy Huntard!
Blizz, you sneaky bastards.
this has pissed the hell outta me, one minute its cool all is well then i mount dismount and this, i bloody well loved this pet and this is what they do :( why cant they just leave us with it
That sounds really rough. o.o I feel sorry for all of you who went through the trouble only to see this happen.
Didn’t blizz fix Gezzerak the Hunteress? Blizz might do the same with her and let hunters keep the awesome worgen pet or they could be fucking asswipes to hunters for the billionth time, take this awesome pet away or not fix it. And chances are that hunters’ll be hit with the berf bat so hard that people’ll stop rolling them once agian because of this.
Why does blizzard hate hunters…
They could have at least turned the thing back into a wolf geez! this is an outrage! we need to start bugging blizz to fix this one way or another!
Out of left field. Ever since WotLK launched Blizzard has been steadily circling the drain as far as PR and customer service is concerned. The is one more nail in the coffin. I feel this way and I don’t even have the friggin’ pet.
I mean come on! we all gave up a pet to tame this one blizz could at least leave us with SOMETHING!!!!!!!!
wow…that….that sucks….
Does anyone know if revive pet still works on this pet? I feel like I have a glass pet that will break and dissapear from my life if i even look at it wrong.
And another thought: did this affect people who tamed a normal wolf Garwal too? From what people have said about how they appear the same in Armory and such, this may have deprived the people who were using the non-worgen form out of a usable pet too.
My worgen lost its skills and talents except it still uses furius howl because I had previously put that skill in a macro. Weird. Also my worgen kepts its resistances and hp but when I leveled it, nothing improved.
You can’t rename it? I gave mine a temp name…
Fluffy. >.<
Guess its time for me to start searching Loque’nahak spawns or maybe the new one Gonrida(?)
Today is a sad.. sad day in hunter history.
GG Blizz. G..G…
mweh.
busted several hours obtaining one.
finally after a grave misunderstanding with another hunter (my fault), we helped each other out and both got one.
was chuffed with this one, always hoped for a “lycan” as pet or race.
relearned talents for wyvern sting.
really not happy with Blizz’s decision on this one.
I think I am going to take a break for a while, have to renew sub soon but this kinda demotivates me to do so.
so way to go Blizz, 1st you unintentionaly make us happy with another “bug” and then you simply smash it to bits.
To Riojon: yes revive pet still works
sounds like triage from blizz – - a tourniquet to stop the taming, stabilize and we’ll see if the worgen lives through it’s coma after the operation…
reminds me of the cheap tricks they did on serpent pets years ago.
hmm that wasnt at all on my prediciotns perhaps we allg ot pwnd, i did hoped for the “let everyone who completed the quests till be able to see garwal and then pwn the pet later”
but bleh cool pet too bad its useless now, well il stick to my armored worg then
I’d hold onto your Worgen, guys; the nerd rage coming from the forums may make them reconsider.
Nothing new under the sun here folks. If you’ve been a hunter for any length of time, you shouldn’t be surprised that the Blizzard folks put a quick stop to it. From the first mis-tagged snake pets (back before they were generally tameable), to the ghost wolf, to the worgen. If it seems odd or out of place, assume it’s a bug and it won’t be around long. Frankly, I’m surprised they let folks keep the ghost wolves.
No use getting worked up about it. And if this is really the final straw that makes you leave the game and not just hyperbole, you probably oughta have taken the long walk before now.
Jadvya:
the QQ over the spirit wolf did nothing when they made it untameable AFTER saying it would remain tameable, so I do not have high hopes …
this makes me wonder what goes though the blizzard devs heads when they find out about these things.
I saw the news post yesterday and I died of happiness… until I realized I finished the questline. XD
But even so… I would’ve LOVED this guy. He’s gorgeous. Blizz is being a buncha sticks in the mud. :I Maybe it’s because they’re planning to give us a worgen race? >_> I sure hope so. I love worgen more than LIFE. D: But seriously, they’re being douchebags with this one. :/
Argss :( I have the same behavior on european server.
Well … neeeeeddd moreee space in stable :P
Well, I haven’t been home to test mine out yet, but have to say that this really is not a surprise. Blizzard does not care about the players, be they hunter or not. They only care about the 15.00/mo we sheeple keep giving them. I’ve watched my kids play this game since pre-BC days and I can say the Blizzard continues to dumb the game down for the QQrs and leaves those of us who appreciate a challenge out in the cold. You can see it in game with the fail and bail attitude. What’s worse is that if those of us who did tame a worg and now allegedly have a useless beast were to leave they wouldn’t give a crap about it because they will always be able to hook more QQrs. Yes WoW is a game, but if you pay attention what bliz does with it is pure reflection of society in general. I’m 51 and have played the game for a couple of years. I used to enjoy it. Since WOTLK it has become a chore and not fun any longer. Sad.
@Gelannerai
Keep in mind that Bliz has pulled half their staff….and probably the BEST of that…to work on a new MMO. Since WoW is old, and pretty stable, we get the dregs.
That being said, folks, I’m sorry about the loss of a worgen pet. I’m a big pet collector, so I’m very very sad about the missed oppurtunity on my behalf, and the loss of something so COOL. But, seriously, this guy was never meant to be tamed. I’m sorry. But it’s an exploit and you know it, and I know it, and it sucks, but there it is. WHat I’d like to see is actually a faction with the worgen, so when night falls, we get a “Howling Moon” debuf and turn into a worgen. That’d be sweet! Ah, fond memories of Karazhan. <3
Ok so on top of what we know so far…
revive pet still works
mend pet still works
pet food still works (kibler’s bits)
bestial wrath still works
call/dismiss pet still works
eyes of the beast still works
focused aim still works
intimidation still works
but
no kindred spirits hmmmm
no ferocious inspiration hmmmm
and
pet is bugged in char screen.
Blizz may not be done or whatever, im still keeping mine to see what heppens when ,or if, a blue makes a response.
@ Tashi – not sure if the scrolls of renaming work, but standard rename certainly doesn’t.
@ Symphony – the more I hear about this, the more I think it’s just a temporary solution. If Furious Howl still works the skills must still be *there* and we just have no way to access them except through macros. Gonna try adding Bite to a macro too and see if that works… :P
‘But it’s an exploit ‘
Calling it an exploit is like calling Hydra, Slime, Ghostdile, spirit wolves AND Gezz, exploits.
So plz stop sayin exploit.
Hey uh, Mania? I think your website died from the flood of Worgen-info seekers. :(
Yeah, whatever the future brings I suspect we haven’t heard the last from Blizzard on this issue, so I’ll leave mine in the stable for the time being.
The talent gimping may just be the side effects of a hasty, make-it-untamable-NOW-I-don’t-care-what-else-we-mess-up-in-the-process sort of effort on Blizz’ part.
EXPLOIT EXPLOIT EXPLOIT.
Anything that’s an uncommon behavior of the coding and people taking advantage of that fact is an exploit. This has nothing to do with crocslime and the others, this is JUST LIKE THE SNAKE PET EXPLOIT from years past, and Blizz did the same exact thing then.
I’m sorry, but it’s true.
This isn’t as bad as I expected, actually. We still have a Worgen-looking pet, they’ve just made him nearly unusable. But for sitting around town, he’s the same.
Whoever said you can still cast furious howl–sorry, I didn’t check names–thanks for that, I’m gonna try seeing if a new macro will work as well.
Also gonna test respeccing to SV–my pet shows up on the Armory as having his talents still, and if they’re frozen and don’t change when I respec and lose the extra points…muahahahaha!
“this is JUST LIKE THE SNAKE PET EXPLOIT from years past”
And that wasn’t an exploit. So, your point?
Pardon for lurking…. /lurkfish
Heh heh, go for it Kate! Just keep in mind that pet’s talents reset whenever Blizz resets all talent points….
Man, I am such a lead ballon today. Maybe cause I’m still at work. =@
hmmm – give up worgen pet to let a lvl’d toon become worgen… if only. (not sure if i have it in me to lvl up another toon anymore – even one as cool as a worgen)
sadly i think i’m just biding my time. if blizz makes this game any easier i think we might start getting free lvls just by logging in, and finding epics in the mail :P
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
http://www.myspace.com/486494736
http://www.facebook.com/people/Garwal-Worgen/727426297
T^T Cause the snake wasn’t ever meant to be tamed…not so much of an exploit like this worgen deal. Lemme alone.
WoW Stable? That is laughable. If it were “stable” we wouldn’t have the constant lag and latency issues. Blizz are A$$ Hats to be sure and not just because of the F-up with the worg. If a glitched worgen, hydra, slime etc etc etc is stable then I’m confused. Like I said they pay homage to the almighty dollar and not to the sheeple paying it.
I figured they where going to fix it. Make Garwal untamable, maybe turn Worgen pets in to regular worgs..
That would have been so much better then this.
I still have my lovely worgen, I’m happy for that, but I’m thinking I’ll never really do anything with him again. What can I do with a pet that Blizzard chewed up and spat out in to a tub of boiling tar? RP with him, until he gets unhappy and runs away?
Ugh.
@ Belthazar
Aye, most of us probably saw this coming. It WAS a bug. They where obviously going to fix it. But what they did was jsut a bit harsh. Seriously, it’s like they are taunting the hunters. “Hey, you know that awesome pet you got? I’ll wave the nerfstick over it and.. There ya go! Keep your little dink pet, see you later next time you tame something cool!”
Oh well.
@grymm
Haha isn’t it a great idea tho? I mean, instead of a new race, just give us a faction. Mmm, worgeny happiness.
/continues to lurkfish
I wish Hunters would stand-up to Blizzard more. It would have been interesting to see an online petition with 100,000 signatures stating they’d discontinue playing WoW if Blizzard even “thought” of touching this Worgen. *sigh*
My 77 Hunter couldn’t get him (quest completed long ago) and now my 37 Hunter will never get him. Blizzard has gone to hell since this latest expansion. All they seem to care about is advertising on everything and getting more subscriptions.
Sigh. Too bad. I’m disappointed, but I was expecting something like this. Ah well. It was a fun couple of days with Banehallow, but I’ll put him back in the stables for special occasions.
The lack of blue is very aggravating. Im gonna try the macros to see if we can get around it
Oh and the Worg thing is not an exploit it is a Blizzard mistake just like the other “bugs”. It’s not like we are cracking into the game code to make changes. This is another of their mistakes.
……….maybe Blizz will realize how much people like worgen and…uh…mmo….idk. I just lost my train of thought. It was brilliant with effervescent idealology! But it’s gone now. Woe is me.
I have never seen so much QQ over an exploit. Humanoids cannot and should not be tameable. At least the Argent Squire volunteered to serve. To those who got it, congrats. Have fun with it while it lasts. Years from now, you can brag to your fellow hunters how you tamed the mighty (bugged) worgen. To the QQ’ers, get over yourselves. This is miniscule compared to the SS nerf we took in 3.0.8, yet far more tears have been shed over this bug fix than that nerf. Y’all make me ashamed to be a hunter.
@Belthazar: Well said.
Besides, allowing a “humanoid” as a pet is teetering on slavery territory, which is a HUGE faux pas in video games, especially ones that try and cater to such a wide range of users.
Lupis – One good thing here, is that pets can no longer run away. :)
http://www.activisionblizzard.com/corp/index.html
And we wonder why Blizz’s PR and Customer Service has been slipping since last year.
As for them taking away the pet, it’s an exploited bug to get it, you *shouldn’t* have been able to get it. I wasted time trying, never get him, and if I had gotten him, i was half expecting to log in one day and have him be a wolf.
Ixnay – Succubi. Felguards. Ghouls. Those sweatshops in Silvermoon.
Trust me, we already have plenty of “slavery” in the game, and that’s just coming from the “good guys”.
@Kate: those are demons, not humanoid races. It’s different.
@Jangalian
i always thought dks should have been a lvl 80 toon infected with the scourge instead of a free for all. make the cost worth the prize so to speak.
at this point i’d be willing to join the worgen – full moon happiness to get out of the regular rep grind :P yep i can see the quest name now to join up, “Bite Me”
Wowiki describes worgen as scourge/humanoids, kthx.
@Kate
That reminds me…I made a hunter in the first place cause I saw this cool demonoid dog that I wanted to tame! I learned too late that it was the sole possession of a warlock. T^T
/belated
‘Anything that’s an uncommon behavior of the coding and people taking advantage of that fact is an exploit. This has nothing to do with crocslime and the others, this is JUST LIKE THE SNAKE PET EXPLOIT from years past, and Blizz did the same exact thing then.’
HOW IS IT ANY DIFFERENT. THESE WERE ALL UN INTENDED TAMEABLE CREATURES. INCLUDING THE SNAKE. IF TAMING THE WORGEN IS EXPLOTING, THEN TAMING GHOST WOLVES WAS EXPLOTING TOO. THE MECHANICS ARE THE SAME.
Yes we did something that shouldn’t have been done- but we GAINED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND LOST ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
EXPLOITING USUALLY MEANS GAINING SOMETHING.
Atleast that’s my view :/
Geesh, what a bunch of rampaging QQ. ‘OH BLIZ HATES US OH THEY SCREW US OVER OH OH WAH WAH WAH’.
Christ, people, grow up.
It’s a HUMANOID MOB. Since WHEN has Blizzard allowed hunters to tame humanoids? Never.
This was a glitch. A bug. A way to game the system to allow us to have something we were never supposed to have. It’s not even a beast MODEL. The fact that some people managed to do it doesn’t make it legitimate, and in point of fact, a lot of people have suffered worse for gaming loopholes in the past. Even other ‘lost pets’ were at least beasts; the snakes (which we got back as a family), the ghost wolf/Gezz (who got functionally repaired), but this? This was shameless explotation of a code loophole that Blizzard NEVER wanted.
Thinking you have some right to it just because you found out how to game a glitch is ridiculous. It’s like the guy that has a suitcase full of hundreds land on his lawn after a high speed chase and then scream at the cops for being bastards because they took HIS money away.
Now. They MAY be nice to us and fix it back to a wolf once they get a better way of repairing the game mob, but I honestly wouldn’t count on it. I’m with Belthazar on this; if something this ridiculous has you screaming how ‘unfair’ and ‘horrid’ the game is, maybe you shouldn’t be playing it in the first place. :P
Lyraat, Do not be ashamed to be a hunter. I’m not. I get that this was going to happen. But you have to admit that Blizzard likes to f^&k with us. BM used to be THE way to play a hunter. Now it seems like they can’t make up their minds what to do next. Should the next great hunter spec by SV or MS.. Please, don’t they have better things to do than bow to the whim of the cry babies out there. People should learn how to play the game and learn how to play their toons instead of bitching to blizz about how “this is toooooo hard”….make it easier. wah wah wah. Really. That’s what gets me.
I’m surprised they didn’t simply disable the script that changes him from white worg (which he still is, deep down: see char select screen) in the first place.
And yes, just because something doesn’t give a tangible numerical advantage doesn’t mean it’s not an exploit. This clearly was. Nobody familiar with crocslimes, ghost wolves, or ZF snakes should be upset or surprised by this hotfix.
Is it?
They’re humanoid in stance and appearance, and clearly intelligent. Ghouls are often former humans. Leper gnomes used to be just regular gnomes, and while they’re crazy, that doesn’t make them any less sentient.
But hey, if you’re fine with enslaving anything that’s not technically a Humanoid, just bear in mind that Garwal was a Beast, and at no point in the taming process became a Humanoid.
I understand that people are upset about the situation, but please remember to be civil and respectful to each other (even if you can’t manage that towards Blizzard right now). :> And do please be mindful of your language.
@grymm
That reminds me! I was speaking with a friend, and we cooked this idea up for the Arthas fight. Have it in a room that has 25 corpses laying around. Every time someone wanders too far from the boss battle, a scrouge springs up and starts infecting the raid party, like how it was in the event pre-WotLK. Just think of the massive chaos…. /drool There’d be scourge and players running around, trying to kill each other, plague everywhere, explosions, and Arthas in the middle blasting friend and foe alike with shards of frozen death. Mwuahahahahah!
Ahem, yes, I too enjoy the name for that worgen starter quest.
So any confirmations on making macros to get around not having howl?
Jadvya, Blizz was petty enough to take away the summoning animations from Gezzerak and the Horde quest wind serpent- and from my experience the wolves from mulgore dont bark anymore when you click them. I think Blizz is just not giving a flip about anything anymore. Unless you’re a BM hunter (and their dps is too abysmal to get into raids right now), good luck having a pet that has at least one neat thing about it. =/
@Mania
Mania, darling, I just wanted to take the time to say thank you for the wonderful website. I barely ever post here, but truely, I’ve been visiting your site since I was a wee baby dwarf hunter, lookin’ for a wolf to tame. Thanks for everything, then and now. <3
I guess it doesn’t really affect me. Yes, I tamed it… but I never intended to use it to fight with, I thought it just looked like an awesome pet to have. I would have been much more upset if they’d have removed it from the game or turned it into wolf form – at least I can still look at it and admire how it looks.
I have played a Hunter for 4 years – I have seen the good and the bad –
@ Nachtwulf – Yours was the best post I have read on this subject. You sum it up perfectly.
Macro doesn’t work–I know I made it correctly because it works for Bolt, but not Mowgli. Sorry.
Fun fact: the white worg on the character selection screen is now HUGE.
if i were you id just keep it on stables and see what happens next, like gezzrak that had sam problems it just got fixed but untameable.
they will fix it soon or leave it as is so time will tell
@Inzilbeth
Lol, me too. My first pet was a black bear named Blackberry. Lol, I remember how bad I wanted to get rid of him, and Mania had a post about the (then) shadow-spell casting Lupos. …..Blizz screwed us back then too, with the normalization patch… T^T
going by that reasoning over a beast that was never human to begin with would mean troll raptor mounts is enslavement, gorilla taming is enslavement, and riding an elekk is enslavement.
Oh and taming Shy’Rotam. Since she was what elune’s pet or something?
‘Thinking you have some right to it just because you found out how to game a glitch is ridiculous. It’s like the guy that has a suitcase full of hundreds land on his lawn after a high speed chase and then scream at the cops for being bastards because they took HIS money away.’
I -never- nsaid I had a right to it. I NEVER said we DESERVED IT. It would have been NICE but continuously crying out exploit exploit exploit and then claiming oh cause it’s humanoid not beast-model is a very hypocritical double standard state of affair. Calling this an exploit is like calling all the other pets exploits, as we did abuse coding, or lack of it, or over sight or general uncaring about it.
I don’t hear people wailing Gezzarak was an exploit when it was clear by her former actions she was NEVER intended to be tamed.
Give it time, we haven’t had the worgens long enough to get that attached to them if we do lose them. But I do have faith in blizz and believe that they will let us keep them. The bugging right now is just a result of them fixing Garwal to untamable.
Lougara
The Mulgore prairie wolves does still bark when you click on em after tame. mine does atleast.
I had this guy tamed yesterday morning, was so happy to have it. However, my friend queues us for arena and before switching my pet out and not knowing what arena did to it, I lost the worgen form as soon as I entered =( I tried for hours to get another ones last night. Today when I tried, he was not tameable. Sux for me that I don’t even have it any longer but was fun the hours I did spend with this cool pet.
Sarissan
that would not make anny sense as the ghost wolves, hydra/slimes, wasp and Gezza all work perfectly fine after they where made untameable.
I kinda wanted to be optimistic bout this but damn. Kinda kept mine under wraps for a day or so (since I tamed him friday evening.) Once the cat was out of the bag and it was up on wow insider and mmo-champ and crap, it kinda clicked in my head that why don’t I just enjoy him because I may not have him come tuesday.
Kinda happy I just level’d him to 80 last night, and took some nice screencaps.
I won’t too much into that we have an armored howling worgen that wasn’t overpowered, and actually made enough sense, unlike a tailstrider poisoning things or a cobra whiping through the air, or a hot wheels color-changing dog, or a blacklight-pellow-cat that was/is the mate of a god, or later, a static-charged worg, or a gorilla.
The thing about the whole situation though – I remember spending a SOLID week circleing Rivers Heart for Aotona on 3.1. I mean, SOLID – like beyond pathetic solid. I got him, and I was shaking when I was…however, just one evening, one night, from finding out about the worgen friday to the tame really late in the evening. The mythical nature of the issue at the time, not knowing how to properly do it, and then finally having him – just in that one evening, I was just as shaking and excited from the tame.
Everquest-style camping wasn’t fun back in EQ days, and it still isn’t fun these days. Somehow we translate the time spent into the thrill of finally getting what we’re trying to get. This weekend I found that time spent had nothing to do with it. If it’s fun, then it’s fun. Waiting for Skoll or whatever random spawn time creature isn’t fun (which by my previous description of him, I’m not even planning to do anyway: hell I can’t even stand the spec!)
But here – like I had said with the spirit wolves – you had something that WAS fun – a sort of meta quest – get some friends together and figure this thing out! Help me out on this, trade info about this, keep the area cleared, keep griefers away (pvp servers anyway,) mind-controll this, almost got the timing down, let’s try it once more, GOT IT!
What kills me about this is that it puts much of what I hope they had learned about unintended tameables into question. The changing mechanics and mathematics of the game created a very compelling, fun, exciting quests, and the most we see from intentional interpretations is a randomly-generated pinata.
That’s kinda the problem in the approach of pan-class questing content in a game where you have one class that has that much more layer of visual customization. Easy mode or not, it tends to draw out a different sort of player (whatever word you wish to think of certain kinda of player,) than the kind that is content as the archetype tank, castor, thief, or healer. And for that hunter, the pet is their epic, and should take as much thought and planning and coordination with friends as those running raids for their purple/orange gear (just perhaps with not the 10 or 25-man part, heh. Or perhaps, why not in some cases?) Circling a few checkpoints round a zone for hours a few nights a week for months is not that.
I didn’t want to think it, but I couldn’t help feel that it was too good to be true, that I’d finally get to keep a pet I wasn’t supposed to have. I said on the forums, I had the chance for ghostwolves, or spirit crocs, had I put the effort in (as in the pathetic-SOLID effort.) Hell my hands-down favorite wasp was screwed up on 3.1. I suppose it’s silly to have this worgen itself make me seriously consider whether I should continue to play or not. I mean, it’s kind of a wake-up call that the homogenization of class mechanics may carry over to what pets I guess we’re supposed to have too.
Here’s to hoping this hotfix is just a stopgag and not a final verdict. Either way I’m not getting rid of him either way in the chance they are just trying to fix the arena issue or something. However if this is some kind of joke on us, it’s makeing me beging to think about finally hanging up the crossbow. I mean, it wouldn’t it have been better to have a more concrete answer in just removing Grawal from all hunters rather than changing a reasonable pet to a completely gimped stable slot? I’d like to think the currant change is just temporary.
@Nachtwulf, stop spreading misinformation and pay attention. If it was a humanoid, we would never have been able to tame it.
The slime should have been Unclassified.
The ghost wolf should have been undead.
The worgen should have been humanoid — but he was NOT. He was labelled a BEAST.
Thus, why we were able to tame him.
-and if this ends up being a final verdict and months down we see a new 51/61 point Blood DK/Feral talent I-win-button-WORGEN-FORM, I quit. Then and there.
@Jangalian –
that would be an epic fight – once anyone was infected you could almost guarantee a wipe but wouldn’t it be worth it to get your hands on a weapon like frostmourne (i have a feeling the original might be destroyed during the fight – unless they would really consider allowing a player become the next king.)
i kind of miss the unique ablities pets once had – snarler was my lure into the hunter class, all those lovely resists. he got normalized before i ever got to him, but i’m still playing and loving the hunt.
i wait to see the fate of the worgen, as do we all. and even if it was just for the thrill of the hunt – it was still worth it… and i’d tame ‘em again.
Ummm . . . slavery? Read a history book and then come back for that discussion.
Anyways . . . worgen are beasts.
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=26683
As a fellow hunter who is also grieving over the loss of this awesome pet, I thought I’d let you all now how I handled it personally.
I hit the little red question mark on my action bar and requested to speak with a GM. While I realize that whoever responds (if they respond) will be unable to help me in any way, I wanted to send a clear message that I was not happy with the decision the Dev.’s made regarding this issue, and provided a brief description as to why.
Will it help? Probably not if I am the only one who does this. But I learned a very valuable lesson about the hunter community yesterday as I and 10 others both alliance and horde side attempted to obtain this pet with no-one bailing out until every last one of us got it (a few hours mind you). The hunter community is strong, and there is strength in numbers. So please take a few minutes and send a GM a message. It may not accomplish anything at all, but it will certainly send a loud and clear message about how we feel to the Dev.’s.
83 – right on. every little bit helps.
@grymm
!!! I have a way to cover that too!
You have to get him down to 3% before everyone dies from infection, cause it’s a given that everyone WILL get infected, and Tirion Fordring shows up with the cleansed Ashbringer just as Arthas whips out Frostmourne for a final devastating attack. Fordring blocks, Frostmourne shatters! All the scourge explode! Everyone in the room that’s still alive are cleansed in time to see Arthas’ soul melt from his mortal shell to the shrill shrieks of the spirit inhabiting his body. /huff huff
Pardon me while I wipe my monitor free of excited spittle.
Hee hee, I think I got temp. banned from the wow forums XDDD probably for the “trained to fail this hard” comment. I’ll have to check my e-mail to be sure. *laughs butt off*
Anyways, this whole hotfix thing seems fishy to me. I sort of blame MMO-champion. Until MMO made that post, nothing seemed to be really wrong. I think once Blizz saw that the worgen news was on a really huge site (not that petopia isn’t, but I mean petopia is more hunter-centric while MMO is all classes), they did something fast.
These changes even effect non-worgen garwal owners. That shouldn’t have happened at all. And as far as I can tell, and Mania points out, the beast lore is incorrect. I think they’ve temporarily taken garwals “pet” file out of “reach” so to speak. I think that there will be a more definitive answer incoming soon, but they did this because “oh crap its on MMO, stop it before more people get it!” happened.
Nachtwulf I agree completely. My other half tamed the worgen, and yes I think it looks completely awesome, but I know full well that getting him is an exploit same as the pets in the past. It really boggles me how so many people seem to have the common attitude that it’s “all blizzard’s fault” because someone found a way to exploit a game bug that was obviously not intentional, personally I think people should be very glad Blizzard was *kind* enough to let people keep these ‘lost’ pets, especially the ones before the worgen where they didn’t majorly nerf their functionality.
Rikaku – I saw that one too, lol. And agreed on likely cause.
I just wanted to add my thoughts. Basically my autistic brother spent 2 hours taming this cool pet after I saw him on petopia. He has played WoW to its fullest and has always returned to it. I dont know how I should now tell him that his favourite pet is no more. If it was me I would stick two fingers up to Blizz and call it a day. Sadly my brother’s learning difficulties mean that online games are a good way for him to make friends who do not ’see’ his problems. This pet had given him confidence and helped him make new friends…I know it sounds lame but the EU server he’s on is pathetic to put it politely! Thanks Blizz..u really know how to make loyal fans sick…
And to the person going on about how “Nachtwulf is spreading misinformation” no, he is not. The *only* reason he is classified as a beast is because of game mechanics, he starts as a wolf, and hence is a beast, when he transforms he becomes a worgen, if you don’t use the *exploit* of taming him “exactly” around when he transforms, then he switches back to a wolf after taming (the obviously intended part). The exploit is getting around the obviously intended behavior to tame him and keep him as a Worgen.
Scott:
I didn’t. I can post again. Darn, I was really hoping I did get banned. XD Why you ask? Well, because I’ve seen way worse written on the forums and no one banned, but if I got banned over that, I’d literally die laughing.
I thought the comment was rather humorous personally, though when i used it in WG yesterday, I was definitely not in a humorous mood XD
Personally I wouldn’t classify it as a glitch or an exploit. I may be ignorant as to just how much time someone would dedicate to this, but the taming process seems too precise to be something someone patiently discovered. It seems more likely that a developer leaked the process.
lol can you imagine the dissapointment of the first hunter who got this “i wanted a white wolf not a stupid worgen!!!”
I’m so sorry Zhunter. If I had a way to get a EU hunter I’d help your brother get a spirit beast or that silly multicolor bird to replace the worgen.
That post really touched my heart.
I’m pretty angry/sickened as well.. I finally have the chance to get a rare pet and it seems like Blizz handed the reins to some crazy programmer who seems to enjoy dishing out the equivilence of corporal punishment to the hunter community.
Most of the other classes hate us for the high amount of farmers who use our class, the true hunters.. the ones not out there botting, farming or spawn camping.. we are the underdogs.
I made my hunter because I like taking care of animals. I have since then made 4 others and leveled them to 60+. Blizz can bite me.
I think everyone needs to sit back and chill, it ain’t over yet, lets not fight with each other and divide a community that came together for an extraordinary event. And lets not flame blizz since well if they weren’t there then you wouldnt even be able to play a hunter in the first place. Oh and for all the hunters who say BM is broken…it’s not I raid with it and get 4k+ regularly 2 months ago with slightly lesser gear I hit 5k
My god people, overreaction much?
It’s was a pretty obvious bug for chrissakes. Blizzard don’t “owe” you a pet.
What is sickening is attempting to play off people’s emotions, or even a disability, to try and get a reprieve for a bug in the game, that people started blatantly exploiting.
Seriously, a humanoid pet? Did any of you seriously think that would last?
Yeah, it could have. AND FOR THE LAST TIME IT IS ALSO A SCOURGE. NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM A GHOUL.
Has anyone got the worgen kill a a few time sand revived him or no? i saw he can be revived but want to make sure he can be by other people to make sure. i kinda want to get him to level 80 lol
I still have faith that someone is on our side and this could just be temporary. After all one patch after the hydra was already untamable they fixed the glitched sound it now only plays once instead of endlessly. They did not have to do that as it was somthing that we shouldent have been able to train. If someone in Bliz fixed a pet that had already been made untamable I think the worgan still has a chance; although it could take some time.
@Jangalian
i’d love to see that battle – if not be there to participate.
@Baloog
i don’t think the problem is with reviving the worgen so much as keeping them happy and their loyalty up.
@ lovcat
thanks for your understanding and suggestion lovcat. I have a hunter with loque on that server but sadly my brother doesnt understand the importance of rare pets as such – due to his problems he goes for the biggest buffest things lol. I know ppl say its over-reaction but when you sit and watch someone who struggles with everything in life spend 2/3 hours trying to obtain something he has his heart set on, only for it to be taken away due to a Blizz mistake its just wrong. I feel for all those who have lost this pet, if it shouldnt have been tameable then this shouldnt have happened. Nuff said!
I just wish Blizzard would stop ducking the issue and post an update… so far though the only recent blue post I can see was in response to
“If you could take your favorite book characters, and put them into any situation at all in WoW, who would you put in which position?
I’d make Atticus Finch the leader of the scourge. ”
“Hugh the Hand and Haplo.
-Crygil”
But the OP does give me an idea…
@Shade25, yes that’s correct but after he transforms into a worgen you can still tame him. He does’t stay a worgen, but he doesn’t become a humanoid immune to the tame. Thus, the worgen model too is a beast.
Kirkburn:
Most people expected to lose their worgens. Most of us expected it but still held out hope that maybe in the small chance we did get to keep it.
However,
NO ONE anticipated this result that Blizzard has apparently chosen. Now, some of these people have a right to be upset. Sure, we figured the worgen would be taken, but letting us keep it and instead make it useless? What about those players who didn’t get a glitched worgen and instead tamed Garwal as a normal worg? They lost all functionality with their pets too and they “played by the rules”.
Now I’m not saying all the QQ is justified; no hardly. but what I am saying is, you don’t need to jump down other people’s throats on a blog.
@ Grymm – Loyalty? Where have you been for the last few months? :P
And wow, can we say overreaction much? O.o We always knew it would happen, but from some of the comments on here it’s like people tamed it and assumed Blizzard would let us keep it – because we’re entitled to it. It was a bug, it was always going to be fixed in some form and I don’t think we’ve heard the last of it BUT if they take it away then that’s that. Not because it’s a humanoid – yes, worgen are humanoid blah blah but this PARTICULAR mob is a beast, therefore we can tame it – but because it’s a bug that was never meant to be there.
Seriously. Give them a day or two and see what happens with this, but don’t be too surprised if we end up losing the worgen. I’m kinda hoping they’ll see it like the ghost wolf and the crocoslime et al, but – who knows. All we can do is wait, and stop complaining about something we knew was inevitable…
wow i had him in the stable and hes gone now……
@ Kickburn
I dont play off any disability – my point is that it is wrong that this should be made tameable in the 1st place! Blizz are doing a real crap job at WoW atm…the midsummer event was a total washout on my server – if you honoured or extinguished certain fires last year you couldnt do it again this year! I mean this totally ruined some guildies chances of the achievement…we ticketed GMs to be told that they were aware and were solving the issue..2 weeks later the event ended and no hot fix for that! Yet this is attacked instantly..
@Baloog are you sure he’s gone and not just showing up as a white wolf model?
When did you log in to check the stables?
Blue post from the EU forums:
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Q u o t e:
Hotfixed. Wolf is no longer tameable.
Just wanting to confirm this in blue. As for details on the next step, if any, I do not have any information to share on this as yet.
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In other words, they’re still discussing it. Which means there *may* be hope for our worgens yet…
What? He’s gone? Is bliz deleting them? D:
yep i logged out and checked and hes not there anymore. its like he was deleted from my stables when i was not on.
He may still be fixed. My ghost wolf for the longest time had the stupid fast walk. Now he works and functions like the shaman wolf, but no longer sounds ghostly echoy. Give and take.
Hope the best for the 100s of hunters that got the worgen.
Hoo that’s bad… Everybody’s else, are yours okay?
Baloog:
I’d open a ticket or something. I just logged in right now and checked mine. He’s in the stable but I can still pull him out.Are you on EU or US server if you dont mind me asking?
Satyr:
Your ghost wolf isnt ghost sounding anymore? O_o that’s odd too. Mine and my friends work just fine. Though they still don’t idle-howl.
im on US and im super pissed. this is bad if they can go into my stable and delete a pet when im not on. its just not right.
omg i just put my reg wolf in the stables and had no pet out and my worgen just came out of no where. the the hell is going on. it said the stable was empty.
Mine showed as before, was able to take him out and confirm still looks like a worgen. Odd.
@Illia
sry out of touch on patch notes, half the time i don’t worry about them, unless there’s a major respec coming down the pipe – - not like i’m going to stop shooting or end the hunt for now :P
it’s all in the happiness now for the pet – - and a little zen in the hunt for me :)
“omg i just put my reg wolf in the stables and had no pet out and my worgen just came out of no where. the the hell is going on. it said the stable was empty.”
Sounds like your Worgen just ended up invisible in the stables, not deleted.
I R a sad hunter, i did the quest long ago, but still think that they should have let u all keep them as normal wolfs, or hell, (i saw this in the wow forms) give use a way to make our wolves go wargen, a spell like BW, or even a minor glif (scene we got the short end of that stick.) but oh well, blizz has pwnd we out of a cool pet, yet again.
well i have him back but hes 3 times bigger then my hunter… can i level this guy still and revive him if he dies? if yes to both im gona go see if leveling him wil shrink him. plez say yes he can be rezed
We all knew this was coming that’s why you take screen shots, it’s a shame it was so fast. Ironically how long did the cower bug exist, and how much did that effect game play as opposed to this.
Exploits bah! – Other than your interaction with other players there is no morality, it’s a game. and when blizz starts handing out loot for bugs that wiped raids I’ll care. But there is no chance you’ll get a GM note saying yea you so totally had yoggy till that bug wiped you here some loot.
When was the last time you skinned a gnome? As much as I would like too, especially pesky gnome warlocks. Worgen are skinnable they are beasts.
Did we “get screwd over” bah! it’s a game we all need to take a moment and step back and think about the time we (I mean me too) spend in a hobby that has zero tangible outcomes. RL fishing leads to RL food but oddly at times it can be as boring.
For me I have a couple of cool screenshots and 24 game gold for my efforts after all it was just a wolf with a funky skin. Which what is the grand irony about this, either way it so did not matter.
Well, I would have to say that the only reason BM is not a viable raid spec (for a lot of people) is the sinple fact that pets are really hard to keep alive in a raid environment. Some bosses they are fine for, but for some, it is nearly impossible to keep them alive. the dps is fine. you just have to work harder to keep your pet alive.
As far as Lucian (Garwal) goes, i’ll hang on to mine. Until they make him disappear from my stable spot, he will be a pet to me.
Just logged in, my Worgen is still there
@Dweezill I never had a problem with my pet dying at all, spec 3 points in avoidance and they can take pretty much anything aside from Kel’s instant kill, in which case a bit of attention and quick pet management can handle.
Oh yeah, eyes of the beast still works on him as well.
Mania!!! Thanks! This is a lot easier to load, lol. <3
lol good to know, lots of fun to be had with that spell…especially scouting towns with a stealthed cat
Fyi, my worgen just received a Pally buff and has spirit bond and got spirit from a campfire, not that they’re useful with 4k health but buffs still work! xD
Meh… even worse “fix” than I had imagined. I figured it would be revert to worg form or they would leave it as is and just make it untamable.
However since I abandoned the lvl 80 Sapphire Hive Drone for this guy I’ll just keep him in the stables. I had not pulled that wasp out since they mutilated it in the last patch anyway. He can gather dust in it’s place.
i hate how many people are saying “at least turn him into a wolf so i can use him”… there are FIVE pet slots, if you dont want a vanity pet, dismiss him and get something that works for you, but i would MUCH rather keep my dear Garwal as a vanity pet and hope they restore him, even months down the line than be forced to have some crappy wolf that i dont want
I guess their idea was to just make it useless and almost force Hunters to abandon it. =/ I thought they’d just reskin it. I can never trust Blizzard with pets. Not after they lied about the Ghost Wolf. That’s why I’m still bitter about it. They said they’d keep it tameable and then poof, “Nope. Sorry can’t tame it anymore.”. That’s what pissed me off the most.
Seems a bit low on Blizzards part. I would’ve just gone with a reskin. =/ Would’ve been a whole lot easier on the Hunters who got him. Well I guess they were just lucky enough to tame him.
Guess ill just be usin my worgen for dailies…..
What sort of MM hunter needs a pet anyway XD
The thing is, the Cower bug is STILL in the game! Awesome priorities Blizz.
I’m glad I had the foresight to name my Worgen “Hotfix” after I tamed him on the PTR. I kinda saw it going this way.
i love strawberry milkshakes
Aleu
yes the ghost wolf insident was a bad move by blizz, saying it would stay tameable but then hotfix it without a warning, though on this fella they never promised anything.
But even so this is an odd way of handling it even from Blizzard, so far the “not intended” pets owned by hunters have been left alone or better yet..even fixed! Take Gezzarak. she was bugged big time when you indeed could tame her, no buffing, no pvp play but when next patch hit she worked perfectly though she could no longer be tamed.
@ everyone saying they should have reversed him into wolf: Are you a little bit slow on the uptake? It seems just retarded to want that! You can get that wolf model everywhere, it is a totally normal wolf skin. Nothing special you have, after they would change it to the wolf.
By the way, is it still so that him being unhappy can make me lose him? Like he runs away like it used to be? Or does he just do less damage?
Revive pet still works, so does mend pet. And come on all of you that are complaining did you seriously think they would let us walk around with a humanoid as a pet? no…so get over it good lord. you still have it to show off at least, something no other hunters can ever get so be happy and dont bug them or they will take it away all together.
Velcro: Pets no longer run away. Being unhappy just makes him do less damage.
Snowshoe Hare can run about 27 mph.
The worgen should not technically belong to any of the pet families and was therefore removed. This means the pet no longer has access to pet talents or abilities. Whether or not similar circumstances with hunter pets in the past have occurred isn’t really relevant. Given the nature of the creature that was tamed in this case, we feel it should not belong to any of the eligible pet families from which a hunter can choose his or her combat companion.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18312415683&sid=1&pageNo=2
Monanoke: Thank you for finding that! I’ve added that to the main post, right up at the top, and changed the title to match.
non sequitur: Would you mind not doing that quite so much? Thanks.
Well, there we go – a nice lawyerly “rationale” for a goofy non-fix. GJ Blizz you totally rule and stuff. /sarc
Totally >:I I suppose I will be sated as long as I keep my worgen.. plus knowing hunters we’ll find a way around it :)
NP Mania <3 Love your sites, they make being a hunter fun.
Mania makes me laugh xD
Nice job botching this up, blizz. We can always count on you to make idiotic decisions. Geeze, i wish they had just revered em or something. I got this thing 2 80 and now it’s useless. Once again, only Blizzard could jack this up.
Oh wow I’m quite sad now. I really liked that as a pet. At least I still have it to show off.
But the argumentation doesn’t quite make sense. Where is the difference between this and a wolf, except cosmetic? Nothing. So why not keep it as a fancy looking wolf. :(
The worgen should not technically belong to any of the pet families and was therefore removed. This means the pet no longer has access to pet talents or abilities. Whether or not similar circumstances with hunter pets in the past have occurred isn’t really relevant. Given the nature of the creature that was tamed in this case, we feel it should not belong to any of the eligible pet families from which a hunter can choose his or her combat companion
straigt from the top
Seems from the comments here that people would still complain if Blizzard were to let people keep the pets, rather than just remove them. I’m sure that makes sense on some odd planet.
Zhunter, they reset the Midsummer quests. Almost at the start of the event. Did you miss that? Worked fine for me – in fact, I got to do all the quests twice as a result.
Well, my worgen is now gone. they just did away with him
What?! Now they are deleting them?!
Fascinating. They weren’t expecting it, so they hit us where we didn’t expect.
We get to keep it, but it loses its talents.
At this point it still seems to be up in the air. Its almost like the discussion group said, “Let’s nerf him but let the hunters who tamed him keep theirs, and if there’s enough popular dissent, let’s maybe give him his talents, etc. back. If they don’t QQ that hard, they didn’t really want him anyway, sour grapes.”
So I’m watching the QQ hoping there’s enough of it to make a difference, and I’ll weigh in at some point.
Here’s the rationale that gave them a valid reason to take it away: lore.
Think about it. What’s Garwal doing in Howling Fjord? Basically, he’s a scourge agent who’s grabbed leadership of the dominant predator group to provide more ground trooops for the Lich King. So he really is a sentient humanoid disguised as a wolf.
Bah. I’m keeping him anyway.
As soon as you stable him, he disappears..if you want to keep him,you can’t stable him
Are they actually deleting them?
Aren’t they hurting enough in China?
Geez, people.
It was a glitch. An *obvious* glitch…
Of cours it was. I’m just enterained by the whole thing.
Are you sure the icon isnt just disappearing? We had that problem earlier.
if they added this
BLIZ WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU. I LOVE MY PET. ILL NOT FIGHT WITHHIM BUT DONT FREAKING DELETE HIM
Nope. told me it was an empty stable slot. He is no longer there.
Gotta love you peeps… overreacting much to the Worgen fate… but not about the hunter glitches and problems that are STILL there! A pet is a pet, cool or not…. but for chrissakes, prioritize what the hunter needs fixing most: BUGS and NERFS! I haven’t seen this much uproar when it came to the hunter nerfs, and this is ONLY a bugged pet! Jeez….
And yes, the Worgen WAS an exploit: Wolf or not, the Worgen skin was never supposed to be gained…. regardless of any facts.
By the way, here is the official reply in regards to tickets on Worgens: “The worgen should not technically belong to any of the pet families and was therefore removed. This means the pet no longer has access to pet talents or abilities. Whether or not similar circumstances with hunter pets in the past have occurred isn’t really relevant. Given the nature of the creature that was tamed in this case, we feel it should not belong to any of the eligible pet families from which a hunter can choose his or her combat companion.”
the above quote from blizzard bears repeating.
More from Zarhym… so, A) they are at least still thinking about introducing the worgen player race in future and B) actually think the number of worgen tamed this past weekend would be sufficient numbers and similar appearance to actually create some sort of ambiguity:
“It’s not really a matter of consistency. There are times where unintended issues in the game will provide players with a benefit if they exploit the case. Any time this occurs we assess the individual situation and handle that situation based on the specific circumstances present. Whether or not you compare and contrast our actions in this case to any actions in the past is, as I mentioned before, quite irrelevant. There are far more variables in play than you’re accounting for in order to argue this situation with Garwal should’ve been addressed in exactly the manner we’ve addressed similar hunter taming issues in the past.”
fyi, not sure if anyone has delivered this information yet, but the hotfix to Galwar affects BOTH worgen and wolf forms of his taming, my gf’s hunter has a useless wolf, looks like a wolf, runs like a wolf, has the skills of an orphan (ie. none)
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So do we know whats happening to the wolf? Is it getting its model reverted, removed altogether, left in its handicapped state, what?
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It may yet still be removed altogether. I don’t have a final decision on that to share with you.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18312415683&sid=1&pageNo=7
Sorry my post came up wierd
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It may yet still be removed altogether. I don’t have a final decision on that to share with you.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18312415683&sid=1&pageNo=7
I see it this way… it’s not a huge loss to me cause I don’t let my game play revolve around whether I get to keep a pet or not. I do see this as a “I can’t have him, so nobody should have him” type thing. I’ve noticed a few people say that they don;t anybody to have them because they didn;t have the skill to tame them. I’ve seen a ton of people say we shouldn;t keep them because they already did the quest line. well,I see those people as very bitter hpocrites. If you had the skill or the ability to have tamed one,you know good and well you would have. And had you tamed one,you would be defending this just like all the other hunters who had him. I am not bitter about Blizz’s decision. I am bitter about the hypocrites who cried because they couldn;t have one. If you would cry about the real problems (nerfs, glitches), like you did about this, hunters would be in good shape. makes me kinda laugh really that some hunters would complain this muhc about a pet. well, congrats, beaing whiney little bi***es got you what you wanted.
My posts are getting really screwed up. Anyway, that link shows the Worgens still may be deleted.
Q u o t e:
I am of course NOT happy with the arbitrary and unfair way in which this was handled
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I’m not sure how fairness can be measured in a case where the taming of this pet was largely unfair. Taming the worgen relied on a quest and an odd commitment to timing. It wasn’t fair to anyone.
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along with the ridiculous delay in communicating with your customers how you planned to handle your mess.
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With all due respect, the issue gained traction and popularity over a holiday weekend. We began discussing the situation the moment we arrived in the office on Monday morning. By Monday afternoon we confirmed this to be a bug with the public, stating that Garwal would be hotfixed so as to be untamable in the future. The exact changes made in the hotfix were only tested and solidified within a very brief window of time before being pushed live to all realms.
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This worgen-wolf model gave me hope that I could have a “cool pet” that would actually be raid-viable. I was excited about playing my hunter again, like I used to be when I first started playing.
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It is unfortunate when a bug is found that provides players with something really cool that we feel they shouldn’t have. For that I apologize.
Rowdy, people do try to get bugs looked at; I posted repeatedly about the silithid glitch on the bugs and hunters forums, as well as here. I also posted about the lost bonfire achievements for last summer. And logged about 5-6 hours of waiting for GMs to answer my tickets on both issues (in most cases without a response, had to finally log). And those are just the two most recent cases.
The thing about this issue is that you’ve now got a huge number of hunters all sharing similar concerns about an issue, ergo this shapes into a perfect storm while longstanding bugs like the vanish glitch et al do not get discussed much if at all. That plus the obvious fact that this issue only has about 200-300x the sex appeal of other stuff.
So, no real mystery.
Ooo, Zarhym is getting angry. People please don’t be mean to him, he has to do what his superiors say D:
Monanoke: That’s my fault. The comments with links get auto-moderated until I rescue them and I was off in the other room helping my husband fix a bug with his website. :>
But thank you for keeping us updated.
Mania – You might just want to put up a link to the forum, as it is consisently getting Blizz updates.
Well at least they admitted that we’re not going to be able to keep them as a combative pet. I’m fine with that honestly. I’d like to use him, but hey, whatever. I was not a fan of this underhanded move and would’ve appreciated Zarhym posted his stance on it PRIOR to a sudden hotfix or at least within an hour or so of it’s being active.
As for me, I’ll still keep my worgen. He’s still a trophy to me that I was able to do a really weird tame and get a trophy for it. He’s like a walking feat of Strength. If I even get to keep him. If they remove him altogether, well, I guess I’ll have to be ok with that too. But, I’m still a little bummed. /sigh =(
So is it safe to stable him or not?
/agree with Rikaku
Not safe to stable him. mine disppeared whenI stabled him
I had him stabled already and confirmed he is still there… not gonna try taking him out though…
Arseholes. I work a 10 hour shift with the chance to tame a worgen and run around with it for a while before maintainence (when I expected they would at least make it untameable) but they already hotfixed it.. but they can’t do it for a bunch of other more serious and urgent issues or give us more server stability on peak raid nights?
Utterly fucking wank.
Another player on my realm warned me not to leave mine out too long when I logged on to make sure Snikt was still safe. I told him no, I was afraid to stable it and he took his out of the stable to show me his was safe. So stabling seems to be hit or miss. I’m not risking it.
Mine disappeared as well. I am so mad there are no words. What a bunch of sneaky cowards, listening to the naysayers and ignoring all the positive reaction to this pet. Shame on you blizzard. “Similar circumstances in the past [aren't] really relevant”… what a bunch of %@!*.
Stabling it is fine. If it’s being taken away its not due to stabling. Mines been in the stables all day and hasnt had any problems lol
I made a topic about the stbling deletion. Deleted in under 2.5 seconds. What a bunch of dictator bastards. They don’t want people to know.
As far as Zarhym and his feelings, I really don’t care – he is paid to represent Blizzard not himself, people are mad at Blizzard, and so he has to deal with it – or fail. That’s showbiz.
And FWIW I noticed there seem to be plenty of posters whose only apparent purpose there was to kiss his royal blue backside, so it’s not like he’s all alone in a cold cruel world.
Eh whatever. I don’t even care that much anymore; like most who have one I’ll hold onto my worgen as long as I can, even if just as a trophy thing – I’ve got plenty of other hunters to play. Just gotta get this bad karma out of my system…
183 snuzzled – did that other player then put his pet back into the stable…? Cuz, that seems to be the thing that kills it from what I’ve read…
Well now im glad I got rid of my replacable lvl 80 worg for garwal instead of the one I was lvling up.
Granted its only one level but still.
WHAT THA F**K
saw this on mmo-champion and i yust spend like 2 hours to get to the chain Q and got the error this pet couldnt be tamed and yust find out there are hundered of posts that its hotfixed :’< rlly shit
(spoiler: last sentence is a disclaimer)
i dont like the answers that Zarhym, blizzards liaison in worgen/hunter relationships, is giving. Not because they are anti-hunters-having-them, but because of the content.
One response (post 182) says it wasnt fair because of those that completed the quest already and the commitment to perfecting timing. arent there several other mobs that required timing? wasnt it unfair that my hunter wasnt high enough level to get a hydralisk?
Also, he(?) mentions that they only found out monday morning, they couldnt confirm until monday afternoon?? really it takes hours for blizzard with power to cheat to confirm this? noob hunters had this figured out and confirmed in minutes…
On post 206, he says that he doesnt have enough field experience to know that the customer is always right… whether or not this is sarcasm or not, (poorly done if so) everyone knows this just from watching tv and movies. ALSO, they dont have anyone more experienced to handle the situation?
I’m just upset with the responses that have been given… i apologize for wasting anyone’s time that reads this, and i will await a final decision
Gammaraze:
“On post 206, he says that he doesnt have enough field experience to know that the customer is always right… whether or not this is sarcasm or not, (poorly done if so) everyone knows this just from watching tv and movies. ALSO, they dont have anyone more experienced to handle the situation?”
Read his comment again. He was teasing (gently) another poster about his misspelling of the word customer.
Also, TV and movies? Seriously?
Zar is getting fiesty…
Q u o t e:
Why am I not surprised that you opted to not address any other thing I said?
/patpat There you are troll; I’m done feeding you. ^_^
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I decide what to respond to. There’s no need to run in circles around an issue. We’ve stated our stance. Based on the circumstances of this specific case, we feel hunters should not have the ability to possess tamed worgens. The forums aren’t simply a ventilation system where players can run in and continually restate the same arguments over and over again, not because they’re not being answered, but because the players are not satisfied with the answers.
And now how many people are going to take issue with the fact that I’ve chosen to respond to your post? Let’s go back to your original post. I’ll respond to the rest of it.
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Q u o t e:
You cannot honestly expect any of us to believe that you would have taken this long if it were actually something game-breaking; so why are you using that excuse for your actions? If Hunters suddenly, at the start of a long holiday weekend, became able to tame players I’m certain we’d have a hotfix within hours if not minutes.
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So we’re arguing over our response time to this specific issue and you’re using a hypothetical situation to support your argument? It’s almost as if there’s no need to respond to this and engage in a hypothetical debate that ultimately fails to address any of the concerns relating specifically to the fact that we do not want hunters to have worgens as pets, obtained via the exploitation of a bug.
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Q u o t e:
It’s a skin and a set of animations. It provides no benefit in BGs or Arena, nor will it give anyone any sort of edge in PvE content. At most it benefits RPers in-game as a new and fresh setup for plot. It benefits you, however, because it’s just one more draw for one of the more popular classes in the game that pays your wages.
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We don’t want hunters to have worgens as pets, even particularly given the means necessary to obtain them.
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Q u o t e:
And yet I fully understand why you say precedent is irrelevant, and why you don’t require logic to make your argument: You hold the reins. We can petition and whine and cry until our little fingers fall off, but ultimately you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to because no one is in a position to force you to be fair. You’re completely capable of such epic levels of trolling as this and not a single one of us can bring any sort of consequence to bear upon you for it because you’re the one with the ban button.
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I’m not banishing dissent. I’m suspending players for violations of the Code of Conduct.
If you think I’m trolling then you’re welcome to email WoWCMFeedback@Blizzard.com. It is, however, inappropriate to exclaim on these forums how my job should be done, how my posts should be written, and to whom I should be responding.
If you want to talk about trolling, or ultimately getting off track, I don’t see how your posts have provided any sort of cure for such an ailment.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18312415683&postId=182652615587&sid=1#381
191 gammar – the line about the “costumer” always being right was just sarcasm eg Zarhym sees no conflict between speaking on behalf of a rather large and well known multinational company and teasing the spelling of one of its customers in a public forum. Well, maybe he’s onto something – maybe the idea of professionalism is antiquated and unappreciated – Blizzard might actually become more popular with its customers if they equip phone reps with air horns and the on-site staff with squirting lapel flowers!
Man Zar…. with the kinda of reviews you’ll be getting, look forward to an early retirement….
oh holy snap Scott and Kate, thanks for pointing that out… i totally didnt catch that, thank you… ok i’ll let him off the hook on Costumers
the problem abut letting us keep it is that we would ask for anoter non fully beast mobs be tameable too and then it will starts omethign bigger than what its now.
so think about it, rather have your worgens deleted than a damn war for more “non beast” pets
Blizzard is against taming Humanoids | The Hunting Lodge - July 7th, 2009 @ 8:48 pm UTC
[...] what got my goat was how they fixed it. If you didn’t read about it over on WoW.com or at Mania’s Arcania here’s what [...]
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Q u o t e:
It’s hilarious how he is completely avoiding the fact that oozes and hydras don’t belong to any specific pet family either. I guess they just have something against worgens?
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In some previous cases we fixed the bugs that allowed the taming of certain pets, but felt the pets weren’t so far to an extreme that they needed to be removed. In other cases in the past, and in the case of Garwal, we’ve removed the pets as well feeling as though allowing them to remain hunter pets would be going too far.
Those of you asking for consistency, or to “pick a side” as I believe I saw one player request, are over-simplifying the nature of bugs. There’s no side to be on when it comes to fixing bugs and addressing any unintentional outcomes due to those bugs being present. We have to assess each case on an individual basis.
A humanoid who could only be tamed through the trickiest of means didn’t sit right with us, so we removed the ability to tame him and removed his status as a hunter pet.
Removed his status sounds very ominous.
I’ll reiterate what I said before, not that I suppose anyone that doesn’t already agree with me will listen.
This isn’t like the other taming issues, in that a worgen is a humanoid, not a beast. If Garwal had turned into a basilisk, say, instead of a worgen, I’ve little doubt that they would have left it the same way they left the Sholazar spirits. But those are beasts, except for the slime…which is at least still a non-sentient.
A worgen is a humanoid. Hunters have NEVER been able to tame humanoids, and frankly, shouldn’t magically gain the ability due to a bug. It isn’t themely to the class, and why anyone is shocked when they’ve already complained that even spirit wolves are not themely, amazes me. And then, sure, they allow it… then what? Let people tame goblins, maybe? How about a tauren! They’re furry, aren’t they?
We’ve played for four years without them. Three days of briefly having one should not matter in the least one way or the other.
PS Do the worgen still have their skin so far? Any news on the stabling front. Zar is very insistent on not responding to these accusations.
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Q u o t e:
Here we go again.
It’s no where near as “tricky” as the spirit wolf was.
You either use something that can EASILY be linked to the spirit wolf, or to the ooze/hydra when describing why it can’t be tamed.
Therefore, remove all 3, otherwise you need a new excuse that can’t be applied to any of them.
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We don’t want hunters to have worgens as pets. That is the reason whether you find it reasonable or not.
i hope they reconsider as they did say they werent too sure on what theyd do last id heard on wow-europe, and theres alot of people moanin on there inc me
Are the worgen skins still up at least?
While they’ve reversed decisions that were in players’ favor I can’t recall the reverse happening, so you can probably stick a fork in it at this point.
And while I’m all in favor of players holding Blizzard accountable for its screwups, that thread had just become downright disgusting – I think the thing that triggered the thread lockdown may have been the goofball comparing the Blizz dev team to Iran’s “Guardian Council” (wtf?) but who knows.
So, enough already. Stupid decision and PR handling by Blizz imo but the player community didn’t really do itself too proud either, even allowing for the far greater leeway of being the customers.
I get where he’s coming from on consistency vs. case-by-case treatment.
I just wish he’d appreciate that we put in at least as much effort into taming Garwal as we did into taming the Grimtotem Spirit Guide.
Because they had as much reason to take away the tamed Spirit Guides as they do Garwal, and did not.
At least TamedGarwal is just nerfed, not removed. So far.
It’s really not about consistency, humanoid/beast or etc – sure Zarhym made some feeble attempts at wading into those arguments but the one we all should really be focusing on the most was where he said “this hinged a great deal on variables you do not know about”; for myself and many of the other posters that was Zarhym saying as plainly as he could get away with,
“We want to have the option of releasing worgen as a playable race in future and feel this would be mucked up by having some tamed versions running around, however small a percentage of the hunter population they might be” <– me extrapolating
This is mainly why I consider it pointless to continue pushing for a reconsideration.
I know it’s not about consistency.
My point is I understand where he’s coming from.
The worg appearance is just that, a skin. The creature was a tameable beast thast happened to change its skin. Ghost wolves are not suppsoed to be beasts, neither are the slimes. I could understand not wanting hunters to tame druid form creatures as druids are originally humanoid. But Garwal is a beast with a unique skin like so many other beasts. Timing a tame is not an exploit, its taming a beast. I see plenty of wintergrasp exploits that go unaddressed but they would rather waste our game time by handicapping a particular skin of hunter pet. So make it a weaker pet, but not a useless pet. Since when is it fair to nerf certain members of a class. As a BM hunter I depend on my pet a lot, and this is making my hunter almost useless.
Sorry to bust your bubble but I’m sure they are getting rid of it… the Hydras and the G. wolves and such didn’t get hot fixed in less than a day… Think about it.. this wolf/worgen has been tamable for some time… and yet it seems that when news about it blows up and hundreds upon hundreds of people discover it.. there are always a select few that run and ask Blizzard about it.. and what does that do? Hmmmm lemme see.. I dont know.. ruin the whole “I tamed an untameable mob” process? People are crossing their fingers but honestly I don’t think its happening.. but one thing that bothers me though.. how can they hotfix that instantly but take forever to hotfix other bugs? such as cower and even unbalanced classes? why was this Worgen B/S such an issue? I understand that you all feel that taming him was a real challenge but with the step by step guide and unlimited retries.. lol this so called prize doesn’t sound as nearly as tough as the ghostwolf.. But I wish you all luck on keeping your worg.. I’ll be suprised if they let you all keep it though.. (No hard feelings… Don’t despise me too much..)
Agra, if it’s true as I suspect that this decision was based on fear of a future clash between tamed Garwals and an upcoming player race, then that would be why they allowed spirit wolves to remain while giving Garwal the boot, among other things. It would also help explain the very delayed, strained, dribble/drabble response from Blizzard.
I strongly suspect Zarhym only got involved in the questions of slime vs worgen, undead vs werewolf and so on because he was just mad, feeling argumentative and looking for something he was allowed to actually respond to in any detail…
I don’t appreciate not being allowed to keep the worgen because they are humanoid / sentient. Many beasts in WoW are either highly intelligent or even show signs of sentience (a beast goddesses’ mate (Spirit Beast) isn’t going to be sentient or highly intelligent? Raptors who wear featherd and armbands with many of the Azerothian species having a pack community and even described as being primitively sentient in the official WoW book, with an understandable language and a social hierarchy, Night of the Dragon? And taming Silithid, who are described in game as malevolent, sentient creatures?), it just throws the whole debate into the air and creates a right shitstorm, not that there isn’t one already with the swift, harsh removal or nerf and hotfix and indeed, the entire way it’s being handled with dodging questions, deleting threads and laughably, threats of being banned now if we press the subject.
I wasn’t aware I never left school and I am in the classroom, being told to sit down and do my algebra like a good boy.
i think blizzard did this just to stall. i think they didnt really knwo what to do so they just made him not tameable and made that ones that people had uesless but didnt atleast let us have them. i have a feeling this isnt over. there either gunna turn him back into a regular wolf or give us all of his ablitys and such back.
^ Please check the forum. cause they won’t.
Oh come on guys, they don’t want you to have a Worgen as a pet. Its as simple as that.
Teh Ghost Wolf and Ooze were straight forward. With this issue probably a good 20% of hunters have made tickets asking for the quest to be reset. (something you all know Blizzard won’t do) “Oh no, but they’ll do it surely for me to take this special pet…..”
Stop and think for a minute just how fucked up the queues already are. And now imagine all the Game Masters having to deal with nerd rage from players who should know better and are adding the to service problem.
“Why do Blizzard hate hunter?” Dude, open your god dam eyes and look at the 100+ OTHER pets you can tame, not to mention now to be 3 rare spirit beasts and plenty of other rare spawns with unique skins.
If Garwal turned into a human and you could still tame them, you wouldn’t be reacting the same, you’d all be like “lol, thats a bug they’ll be sure to fix this”
If a pet skin is sooooooooooooooooo important and game breaking to you then switch your PC off, go outside and get some sunlight.
WoW now is no different to WoW 2 weeks ago. I’m sure something else will come along soon so you can measure dicks with other hunters.
Nah they probably won’t. Once they decide on their official stance they won’t change it unless under exceptional circumstances. If they back down on one thing then the problem is that other players will think that given enough pressure, Blizzard will cave in on other issues.
A relatively small percentage of the player base that WoW has won’t affect this no matter how much we discuss this on the forums… not that having every single discussion about it deleted about it helps either.
I didnt tame it to measure anything against other hunters, and being a female, your comment just made me laugh. I tamed it because I like how it looked. I tamed it without breaking any rules, I should be able to keep it. Just like all the other interesting pet variations. It was a beast no matter the skin. They should make quest mobs into something other than beasts if they dont want hunters to try to tame them. I dont see them punishing all wolves since shammies can turn into wolves. :P Not exactly the same, but not like they are making total sense anyway. LOL
Lol Damn Jimbo… lmao… I completely agree with ya.. But.. I think.. due to this, lol what did ya call it.. “Nerd Rage.” that they’ll be sure to double check errors like this next time.. and I don’t think we’ll even get beasts that aren’t meant to be tamed.. because of this outburst… So much for taming my bugged nether drake or my rare mob lion with a fiery mane.. haha.. Once again Jimbo I thank you for an entertaining and enlightening post. The King has spoken.
Petopia’s website is suspeneded? Lol wtf?
Here’s the post I made on the hunter forums. I hope blizzard recognizes the strong feelings that hunters have for their pets and the longing for the “thrill of the hunt”… not just getting lucky with a rare spawn.
Let me tell you a little story, hunter forums.
My hunter was the first character I ever got to 60, back in the day. She wasn’t my first character. I liked her better than the warrior I’d been playing at first. I was fascinated by the different pets and the search for rare ones and unusual skins. Once I found Petopia I checked it often, hoping for word of a new pet in this patch or the next. I continued playing my hunter into BC, and she was my first character at 70 as well. I played her for hours and hours, trying to get geared and to play my class as best I could without being a huntard. I PvP’d a lot with her, at 60 and 70, which was a lot of fun at 60 and a grind at 70. Oh well.
Eventually I got bored with my hunter and hardly played her; my warlock was more wanted for raids, so she became my main. My resto shaman was even more popular. Eventually I realized that I was utterly bored with my hunter. Sometimes I’d go and tame a new pet to try to get interested again– nope. Never worked.
I kicked myself for missing the ghost wolf at 70 (I thought, like many, that I had all the time in the world), and then when I found out about the slime/hydra, there was no way I could have leveled her to 80 before those two were hotfixed. Then I heard about Garwal, the worgen pet.
I was excited to play my hunter for once. I leveled her up to 71 in a fury and then tamed Garwal on the first try. I showed him off in Dalaran, expecting that to be the end of my interest. But I kept playing. I was having fun again. People kept asking me, “Where’d you get that pet?” It was great.
I expected Garwal to be hotfixed. I thought maybe they’d even run some kind of script to dispel the “worgen” buff on him, and just enjoyed the time I had with the pet. I allowed myself a sliver of hope that like the ghost wolf, ghost slime, ghost hydra and Gezzarak, he’d be made untameable but still function as a pet, a rare and special trophy. Too bad.
What I didn’t quite expect was that my newfound interest to play my hunter would fizzle as soon as Garwal was made useless. Looking through the comments on Petopia, I read a few posts that suggested that I wasn’t alone.
TL;DR. So what’s my point? QQ WORGEN PET BAWWWWWW?
It’s thus: Many hunters enjoy the thrill of the hunt. We don’t just want rare spawns, spirit beasts that eventually everyone is standing around in Dalaran with. We want pets that take some finesse to get a hold of, whether that means the use of a specific meta gem and a shaman’s bloodlust or a paladin and priest friend or a prodigious sense of timing. We want a pet that will make people stop and stare and say, “Holy crap. Where’d you get that?”
So, okay, I understand that the idea of hunters taming a worgen made some class designer fall out of his chair in the boardroom, kick up his legs and go “NOOOOOOOO MY ARTISTIC VISHUNNNNNNNNN”, but I urge WoW’s designers to consider the wild, insane popularity of this pet for one magical weekend, and to perhaps plan accordingly. Some of us really like pets. (WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE LOL FURRIES) It’s likely that few of us are in elite, top-of-the-line guilds, but I think from the flurry of posts that have appeared over this pet, there is more interest in this issue than might have been realized.
RIP Banehallow (July 5th – July 7th 2009)
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Whoops, I had some trouble with my comment above; basically I reposted the post I made onto the hunter forums. I hope that blizzard thinks seriously about the depth of feeling hunters have for their pets and considers more the “thrill of the hunt”… pets that take some finesse to get, not just rare spawns that everyone camps and everyone has eventually.
Jimbo:
Please do not use extreme language. While we’re all free to post and voice opinions, Mania has stated several times to keep it civil.
I say let us have the Pterrordax as a compromise.
I’d gladly take a giraffe.
Xiongmao:
No thanks, Blizz would probably make Pterrordax an exotic pet and BM sucks very badly in raids at the moment.
Back to topic, seriously, the only hunters who disagree with worgen pets are the ones who already done the quest-chain (aka sore losers).
And if I am not wrong, some of the worgens in-game are actually skinnable. You do NOT skin humanoids, thus further proving that beast-type worgens DO exist in-game. So why not treat Garwal as a beast-type worgen?
As for the people screaming imbalance, exploit etc… How does the worgen pet affect the game, other than giving hunters a pet wolf with a really cool skin? Unless someone can link some video of the worgen pet 1-shotting Ulduar bosses or stuff like that, there is no reason why people have to act that the worgen pet breaks the game.
As mentioned earlier, the only hunters who disagree with worgen pets are the ones who already done the quest-chain (aka sore losers).
@Schadenfreude
Nice post. Lemme tell you a little story about a big green lizard that goes by the name of King Krush.
He is a BASTARD of a tame. I mean….oh my god. First, he has massive dps, a stacking bleed effect, and a fear that goes off every ten seconds. second, he’s huge, he’s lime green, and he’s a really friggin’ obvious target for everyone to see. And here’s my tale.
A warlock friend of mine spotted him as I was trolling around, looking for a spirit beast in the Basin. “He’s here! He’s here!” he cried. “Who, the lazer cat?!”, I asked in a rushed yelp. “NO, YOUR LIZARD.” came the reply. Off i went on my proto, rocketing through the skies at supersonic speed. There was Krush, slowly stalking through the plains, looking for lunch. I dove out of the sky, my lock buddy at my side. He tore us apart, and scattered the pieces.
“ALL RIGHT,” I said, “LFM PRIESTS, NEED 2. WILLING TO PAY.” The whispers poured in, and finally I had gathered two priests for the cost of 1k each. The preists couldn’t work together, much to my dismay. One would cast the fear blocking spell, and so would the other one. I screamed in rage as Krush’s fear popped for the third time. Suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, a flash of red. “NO.” Krush turned to the side and flung the horde hunter into the air, then pounded his mate flat. I cheered as I swiftly hid under a rock to avoid his ferocious red-eyed glare. The party regrouped and dove back into the fray just in time to see an alliance try and complete what the horde had finished!
“NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!” came the scream from four throats as we tried to bat him away, all the while cursing his mild mental retardation for obviously trying to snatch a kill. The ally finally gave in after metting with the bone crushing pain of death for the fourth time at Krush’s terrible jaws, and with a beautiful final coup de grace, one of the priests finally cast a fear resist on my hunter JUST LONG eNOUGH for me to barely complete a tame. His roar of defeat sent us all fleeing anyways, but as my toon blindly tore her way through the slippery rocks and ferns of the jungle, I was happy. Krush had given in. He was MINE.
This is what I enjoy the most about being a hunter. The tracking, finding, strategy, and binding. After the pet is tamed, sure, I’m happy with it, but I’m most proud of my skill, and awed by the fight. It bores me to just walk up, and /tame beast. ehn….mediocrity…so much fun. But to find a fight that leaves me gasping? This makes my heart pound. THIS makes me stay in WoW. I don’t play for anything else.
Scott, while I do believe worgens are a possibly playable race in the future, I don’t believe that has anything to do with Blizzard’s, and Zarhym’s standpoint.
Garwal is a Worgen. Whether we can skin them or not doesn’t make any difference; they are humanoid. That’s the standpoint I was afraid they might take, and that’s why I refrained from mentioning it until after the actual hotfix. Why encourage them?
We can skin Yetis too, they’re just smart giant apes basically. I wouldn’t mind a pet Yeti either, but I don’t see it happening any time soon.
Blizzard customer service = crap
Whether or not the mob was supposed to be tamable is irrelevant. If they are going to take the pet away from hunters me included then they need to be consistent. Take the damn. Worg take away the other “glitches” the ooze the hydra and the other WOLF! Don’t even try and argue the it’s a humanoid tis classified as a beast. Period. I won’t quit playing because of this but I damn sure am tired of Blizzards utter disregard for thier customer base. If push comes to shove we can always go to the bfg your WALLET since it has obviously come to “show me the money !!!” keep it up and the consumer will get fed up and leave you.
Finnuiest thing just happened…. my worgen reappeared in my stable after missing for a couple hours. He is now twice as tall as I am, and I am a night elf. the good news is,i have him back after he was M.I.A. Good for me I guess. he still has no stats or tooltip, but I have him back.
People need to stop claiming that Worgens are a possibly playable race in the future, especially that no one has any link or proof of that.
To bring a little cheer back, did anyone see the new ptr build? BM hunters rejoice (if but for a little!) & all the other hunters. Looks like we’re getting some buffs.
“Beast Mastery
* Animal Handler now increases your pet’s attack power by 5/10% instead of increasing its expertise by 5/10.
Survival
* Deterrence now deflect all spells. (Old – Only spells cast by targets in front of you)
Pets
* Rake (Cat) now deals 47 to 67 bleed damage and an additional 19 to 25 damage every 3 seconds at max rank. (Up from 19 to 25 additional damage over 9 sec)
* Roar of Sacrifice cooldown has been reduced from 2 min to 1 min.
* Wild Hunt now increases the contribution your pet gets from your Stamina by 20% and attack power by 15%. (Up from 10%)”
Wild Hunt, Rake, well the expertiese thing is weird, but with the new full AP change, I’m excited =D
I’d like any pet family buffed EXCEPT CATS. I HATE CATS.
Something else I just noticed that was really odd. the last pet I used wa my Shlazar hive queen, and now my worgen is categorized as a wasp on the pet tab. that strikes me as really odd.
I hate cats and won;t use a cat… but Blizz loves cats.
So now what? After shafting most of us in our bottoms regarding the Worgen issue, Blizzard is trying to encourage everyone to go back to the “boring beyond belief” pet cats again?
MEH.
Raijin, all npc humanoid races were considered for BC. They said so themselves.
Sore losers? I never completed the quest chain and yet I still don’t care about a Worgen if it ever becomes a standard “pet” or not. The closest humanoid pet we have is the gorilla… and while I am one of those who like to have more humanoid looking pets – Werewolves/Worgens included – I understand Blizzard’s decision on the Worgen issue….. Half-beasts as they are, the story for Garwal is that it is a Human Werewolf in Wolf disguise…. read the quest chain… ergo, Garwal shouldn’t be tamable at ALL. Sore losers my aunt fanny….. there are people who are not too narrow in some things “hunter”.
Roar of Sacrifice going back to it’s old cooldown is interesting (and definitely welcomed,) wonder if it’ll make live.
Wild hunt + stamina pet tanking spec boost is nice too, though I know I’m gonna get the “lol huntard” stuff from the new commenters over here…
@Agravaine
This is bugging me. Do you have a toon on Frostmane? Aggravaine?? If so, I know you. =)
@Jangalian
Nope, not me, sorry :(
Lol, it’s cool. <3
Agravaine:
On the same page of the news flash, Blizzard has also said that ammo changes were coming “soon” for years. And it never happened. So until the day Worgens indeed become a playable race, no one has any right to claim that so otherwise.
Rowdypotter:
If you never cared at all, then why bother posting in this thread. Go back under your bridge, troll.
Lore-wise (like anyone other than the players in RP servers even care), Ghost-wolves & Slimes are never beasts in the first place, yet Blizzard allowed these pets to remain and retain all their talents and abilities.
I like how so many focused on the cats and not the other abilities (RoS, Animal Handler & Wild Hunt) which are for every family =P
Raijin:
Ammo changes never happened?
Going a bit further back, Blizz also promised attack speeds and chase speeds would be normalized, since keeping their untamed values was not intended.
When they finally did that, the outcry was similar to what we’re seeing now.
I just hate cats, and WoW is rife with them. Cats for mounts, cats for combat pets, cats for mini pets, cats for forms for druids, cats, cats cats. WHAT IS THIS OBSESSION. I HATE IT. DO NOT WANT.
I have no problem with any of the other pets. <3
Agravaine:
Changing ammo so that they stack in 1000s isn’t the sort of ammo change they promised us.
Anyway, let’s keep this thread on topic and not derail it with ammo-changes or how cats (/rolleyes) are going to be buffed.
Raijin:
My point is that when Blizzard’s “Soon” can take two years or so. It was you who brought up the ammo changes issue.
So going back to your previous statement, we may indeed see Worgen as a playable race. Soon.
I tamed the worgen out of boredom, but now that it was pretty much ruined in every aspect past looking cool, I realize what I missed. It was an opportunity to level a wolf for raiding, since I hadn’t had one to begin with. While it was an interesting pet, I missed my chance to get it to be useful.
I might ditch it later though, since I’m not interested in half of an interesting creature. Sure, it’s a freakin werewolf with primitive armor and a badass snarl, but it’s worthless in terms of a pet. I have Oloh from Storm Peaks tamed (level 80 elite from the bat, woo) in reserves, so I’ll have a wolf in the event I do delete the Worgen. If its stats and skills are restored sometime soon, I’ll keep it. I named it Rejek, after the Wolvar in Sholazar Basin that has false claims of becoming stronger. While I don’t play on a Role Playing server, I went with the “story” that Rejek came to my assistance when my pet failed, and just kept sticking around with me. However, with this new fail on the stats, Rejek is back to being a useless fool who just looks and acts tough, but can’t back up his bark.
Woogie
Tamed: 07/06/2009
Castrated, Defanged, Declawed and soon to be deceased by the might of the Blizz nerfhammer, at a too young age of 77
: 07/07/2009
The one day I had you, you helped me find 6x arctic furs, many stacks of borean leather, rhino and mammoth meats. You will be missed! I will bide my time and plan my revenge on the bastards that tore you away from me. Big Red Worgen FOREVER!!!
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“The worgen should not technically belong to any of the pet families and was therefore removed. This means the pet no longer has access to pet talents or abilities. Whether or not similar circumstances with hunter pets in the past have occurred isn’t really relevant.”
WTH is a slime then?!… Just answer me this… >.<
Blizz has a really good ability at not being constant on anything but nerfing fun “stupid” stuff that hurts nothing. Lore for WoW was gone long ago, so what is the point…
Gotta say though. Blizzcon 2009 is gonna be u~gly.
I love some of the assumptions flying around.
I am hardly a ’sore loser’. In fact, I was one of the first to post a screen of a successful worgen tame on the forums once it was announced.
I used it for awhile. It was spiffy. Mmyup. Now it’s gone. Screaming and cussing and writing long posts about things the overworked blues really don’t care about is not going to get it back for you.
I’m over it. I was over it this morning.
Yes, it’s neat to have a pet that people are all ‘OMG WAR U GET DAT’ over. It makes you feel good. But given that last night when I logged off, I saw no less than 12 worgen in Dalaran … well. Unique does not exist in WoW. As soon as someone has something neat, EVERYONE will run off to get it. And then suddenly it’s not so special anymore. Hell, my laserkitti has become far more unusual now that he’s the ‘old boring’ one and not the pink vapor cat. And as soon as Skoll hits the grid, he will be even MORE special because not everyone and their brother will have him.
Want unique? Go tame a spore bat. I think there are TWO on my whole damn server, and one of my alts has one. They fixed spore cloud even. Works spiffy. *shrug* Or hell, use a yellow leopard. I can’t name the last time I’ve seen one (not the dreadsaber, the regular yellow leopard) as a hunter pet.
Frankly… if you’re going to screech and wail and curse Blizzard over this… go play some other MMO. I’m not stopping you, and neither is anyone else. In fact, the game will probably be better overall for the absence. I hear AION is shiny these days.
Well seems workaround of respecing your worgen pet talent trees .
Will make it attack and do things again .
Can´t confirm it currently cause of server maintenaince.
But for all those worgen lovers out there just dont stable it .
Pay the pet talent respec cost .
Anyway for those haters and lore arguement and whatever fits your mood.
Sorry Death Knight class was a huge success no matter what lore.
The solution was squashing peoples dream , and since when is squashing dreams good for people playing a imaginary virtual world .
Infact half the game is made of peoples dream or imaginations .
And lore be damned , sorry thats it , its a imaginary world that very rich .
But sadly we pay to be happy not pay to be unhappy .
We pay to feel good not bad , and if you feel bad that somebody else have something you cannot attain anymore .
Then maybe you shouldn´t be in a virtual world .
Ok for one we all knew the nerf clock on this was ticking from second 1 and the stick was gonna come down one way or another. The only questions were: when and how hard.
For two it’s their server if they decide hunters are no longer a wanted class and delete them all the most we could do about it is stop playing, royally cuss at them and possibly attempt to sue them. (but they covered themselves like all corporate entities now with agreements that you have to accept to play.)
That said this was handled very poorly on blizz’s part it was also, however, handled equally poorly on ours. Some of the responses from blizz were extremely unprofessional (wether I find it amusing or not doesn’t change that.) But there was a good deal of outright rudeness coming in which didn’t help things at all. And as per usual the given reasons for this aren’t satisfactory but no given reason would be.
I spent a good number of hours taming this and while not all pleasant overall it was a great time. I got to see the ugly kindergarten side of the game that I normally see as people took the “if I can’t have it no one can” attitude and burned down any spawn that wasn’t their claim; end result no one got to even try. I gave up after less than fifteen minutes of just watching what was happening with intent to come back later. That was when I also got to see it bring people together in a great event that doesn’t happen often and never intentionally in this game. Seeing a large mixed faction group actually treat each other civilly (most of the time your own faction will mess you over too so not much difference.). Taking turns at attempting something that took some timing to get down depending on your level and gear. Seeing fifteen hunters cheer for one who managed it no matter the faction isn’t something that happens every day. So now I have an awesome skinned but useless pet that could up and vanish at any moment (this sucks a great deal.). I also have a good memory of people treating each other with courtesy and doing something that wasn’t instantly handed over on a silver platter (this does not suck.).
Just have to remember that sometimes you get the buff carrot and sometimes you get the nerf stick. Hunters have gotten the stick a lot in the past and I’ve nearly forgotten what the carrot looks like but that’s life. We move on or we stop playing and move on in a different way.
guess we just see what happens tomorrow. I hope they decide to make a choice that makes people happy not one that will end up spanning 250+ post.
Hey guys I apologize if this has already been stated by someone else but if not I’d like to just identify this issue to save others the confusion I went through today: When I went to my stable this morning, my worgen was right there as I had left him. I took him out of the stable, noticed he had no abilities or pet tab, but otherwise no worse for the wear. He was functionally an attacking vanity pet now, but I didn’t care – I’d keep him solely for the reminder that “I was there” :). However, when I replaced him in the stable and took out another pet, I had a blank empty stable slot where my worgen should be. I was mad and surprised but after a few minutes resigned to my fate. Bringing my long-winded story to a close: If you have the same scenario as me, stable your four remaining pets and your worgen WILL reappear. Albeit he is the size of the original Garwal (not that I mind) and still has no pet tab, but he is THERE. Hope this helps in some small way.
Well, while I am sad that people cannot keep their worgen pets, I am not very surprised at them being hotfixed the way they were. Did they go about it the right way? Maybe. Maybe not… Since people are quick to compare this whole ordeal to how Blizzard handled the spirit wolf, croco-slime, and hydra-lisk, I agree with the theories that they squelched worgen taming because it is a possible player race in the coming expansion. I only hope for Blizzard’s sake that this theory is true or else this is going to make an already sore subject even worse.
Though my sympathies to all the worgen tamers out there.
Well I may have a useless vanity pet in my stable now but I will never forget both the alliance huntards that teamed up and tried to keep us from getting the worgen and the horde hunters that teamed up and nuked them to hell so we could get them. For the Horde!
Yep im not happy about this either. Blizz reasoning these days is like that of children. But maby just maby they might change their mind. As of now the posts on the us forum is standing on a wopping 50pages and more and more people is talking about it. The EU forums are just as hot with loads and loads of unhappy campers
Mine is stabled now hopefully blizz come to their senses and fix this stupid mistake
it’s been a long day – and the worgen i think hit more of a nerve than many would have expected… that said after all the posts i thought Solidarm on Misha did one hell of summing up the case to keep ‘em.
Post 1000.Final plea on page 51 – yeah it’s been going that long:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18312415683&sid=1&pageNo=51
as for the final standing – the fates may know, i still hope but at this point i still think it was a nice change to the grind monotony that wow seems to thrive on at the moment and would tame that pup again if given the chance :P
“Appear” on the EU forums posted this work-around, dont know if it works since the servers are down;
1. Summon your worgen
2. Visit your Hunter trainer
3. Respec your active talent tree (your worgen will be unsummoned)
4. Resummon your worgen
Can someone test this?
Well I came in on the last day and aided 20 people on my server ( AD-us) horde and Ally alike in getting it . I have read ALL the blue posts on the subject, and i will say this. When we got it we all KNEW it would be short lived. It dose go agents alot of the Blizz fundamentals, So play with your new friend wile he is around.
I think this dose have a few benefits, i think blizz is starting to get what the hunter players are looking for to keep our interest. Around the time the Ghost wolf debacle happened they started letting us tame more kinds of pets. now we can tame a TON of different kinds. I am hopping that they will add a set of pets that have an aspect of difficulty / skill to get. Not just rarity baced on spawn timers and hidden locations. I would also like us to maby rally together some hunter changes, maby a PET spa? if worded well and well thought out such things have made it from the suggestion forums to the game.
I try not to get sour about such have and lost things that i KNOW when i am getting them that in all honesty it is an exploit. I do think they should put in a pet that they know is Hard to tame. Maby not as hard as Ghost wolf was But maby as hard as Huntress was.
I know this post may make menny mad at me, and that is ok. I am kinda layed back with the wargen subject because i know i was taking from the cookie jar when i tamed it . I just wanted to voice some positive thoughts and possible plans we as the Hunter pet collector community to move forward with.
Sorry about the poor gamer it is early am here and i am not good at typing out my thaughts
Virge:
The EU tips on how to “restore” Worgen talents does not work.
It was more than obvious and I honestly do not see any reason to start crying and “begging” Blizzard to keep the pet. To be honest, I do not understand why they did not just delete it from our stables (or revert it back to normal wolf).
I tamed one and helped like 15 hunters to tame it. I do not care if I can keep it or not because I had great fun anyway. Almost every single hunter on my realm got a worgen so the novelty and “cool” factor just dropped below zero.
That said, I do not see why they still allow Ooze, Hydra and Ghost Wolf. They do not belong to any tamable class -exactly like worgen- if we have to accept Blizzard’s point of view.
Well who cares, I’ll stick to my trusted wolf :)
Virge… the respec did not work.
If you tamed him when he was a wolf, he stays a wolf, if you tame him anytime after the transformation besides the brief ‘window’, he reverts to a wolf, the wolf was the obviously intended behaviour, they had code so that if people tried to tame him and got it off after he transformed he’d revert to his intended wolf form. WoW is a massive game code wise, it is not physically possible to know every single possible thing that may happen under any circumstance, rather then simply have him be untameable period (originally before this incident) they had it so if the tame went off after he switched you could finish the intended tame (the wolf). However, players as is their way, figured a way to exploit the game bug to get him to stay in his unintended (hence bug and expoit) form, to think that figuring how to exploit a bug means someone is entitled to the ‘gains’ of the exploit, is really sad personally.
K…sure you tried your own talent tree and not the worgens?.
Everyone new this would happen in some form. Everyone who’s been playing for a little while knows the nature of blizz responses. Anyone who rolled a DK when LK came out knows the power of the cryin mob screaming about an imaginary injustice. Soo.. we have the numbers (as evidenced in the forums and here) lets just keep the QQ respectable and relentless till we get what we want(or they fix it proper). However I doubt the latter will occur due to the real threat of a hunter “strike” should they try. It would unbalance the game.. I think we all know how much Blizz cherishes their “Balance”. So be nice to each other, be nice to the Dev’s, and just hammer on it till we get it.
I tried both. no dice either way. unfortunately.
3 simple words. Blizzard you Suck
TAELROND U THERE?
ROFL!!!
Okay, after spending most of the night reading, I checked my armory, and saw my Warp Stalker as my active pet, then the Worgen as the 4th on the list. Sounded about right…
Logged in a few minutes ago for the first time since Monday, went to a stable master, and guess what? I have no active summon pet, and 4 non-worgens stabled.
Gonna switch them around for a bit as someone’s suggested elsewhere… but right now it looks like mine was actually removed.
I don’t think I can express how funny this is, it’s something like someone pickpocketed a walletful of monopoly money from me.
And I just got my pet to lvl 80 and started raiding with him :(….
OMG
mine was removed too!!!!!!
Blizzard you always dissapoint me.
Virge:
Yup tried my own talents trees and also the pet trainers. Both ways don’t work. :(
wow so this is blizzard’s response?
what a bunch of fuckwits, screw you blizz! ass sucking whores!
BTW i did not tame the Worgen before hand so i make these statements from a nuetral standpoint. But this is a big slap in the face by blizz with the fuck-you-stick to all the hunters.
Very dissapointed.
Geez guys… you need to chill down a little. It was a damned bug.
*IT*
*WAS*
*A*
*BUG*
Blizzard did not wan people run around with a TAMED HUMANOID. Period. Ooze, Gwolf, Hydra… they are not humanoids. That’s all. I do not believe you was not expecting a total nerf, come on. It was obvious. We are not supposed to run around with an ARMORED HUMANOID.
I cannot believe there is a BEGGING thread on official forum, damn people really have nothing better to do sometimes.
I’m here Huckleberry… what a great line.
This still smacks of a temporary fix but cant understand how they didnt remove the buff and revert him to wolf form. I am amazed that they could find this an exceptable solution it is very worrying to think that at any moment they can apply this sort of status to any pet they consider undersireable for the community to have.
To be fair it is not an unfair decision but it hurts just the same compared to the generous way they have treated previous untamable pets.
What we must not do from now is call for even handed treament to the other pets. the last thing most want is to expect to lose a worgen and lose a handfull of others in the process of “justice”
> it is very worrying to think that at any moment
> they can apply this sort of status to any pet
> they consider undersireable for the community
> to have.
This is Blizzard’s game and as they said MANY times wow it’s not designed on the pure basis of player desires. They do what they feel it’s good for the game. Period. Sometimes they hear us, sometimes not.
Taelrond, don’t you mean “I’m your Huckleberry”? You’re a daisy if you do ;)
Damit, now I gotta see that movie again. rofl.
From a business point of view, what Blizzard just did is a huge slap to its customers’ faces.
If you run a company and you screw up, and the customer somehow benefits from it, you do NOT turn around and punish the customer for it.
In Blizzard’s case, they left the code unclean (which was why hunters were able to tame Garwal in the first place), and what they should have done is to hotfix the game to prevent additional taming and leave the already-tamed ones untouched (pretty much like how they handled the ghost wolves, hydra etc).
Such clumsy handling only leaves a sour taste in everyone’s mouth, in my opinion.
Has it been removed completely now?
Read a few posts above that they were MIA when they logged into their hunters but can’t find anything anywhere else yet.
> If you run a company and you screw up,
> and the customer somehow benefits from it,
> you do NOT turn around and punish the
> customer for it
Oh come on, almost EVERY single hunter had Garwal 24 hours after the new surfaced the web. Having a gorilla was less common. Who cares. It was a novelty and unique thing while it was discovered. 2 days after it was more boring than DK’s zombies.
nope, i still have my worgen. they didnt take them away just yet, or atleast mines. but its still a PoS now besides looks.
Bleh.
They could have atleast just reverted it to a damn wolf :/ might have actually leveled the damn thing, but this?
What about the people that tamed Garwal as a -wolf-? Cause mean not everyone might have realised there were white wolves on an island offa Howling Fjord- they could have seen it thought cool, and tamed.
So does this affect them? They should have just slapped untameable on him and debuffed existing worgens.
Ryai,
Yeah, I heard from friends who lvled Garwal to 80 and now they are stuck with a useless pet and probably have to re-level a new wolf.
Good to know some people still have theirs. I’m gonna keep that stable spot empty for a bit, just in case. :)
I’ve been wondering about hunters with Worg-Garwal too, and if they’re still okay.
I am playing on EU Server and after the server down today they removed my worgen out of the stable……
Still have mine, US though.
MY GOd blizz cannot do this, they chop and change their mind whenever they please, if its ruled that other glitched pets can be kept like an undead or an unspecified thing then why not this hey with dks for instance their ghoul was once a humanoid. And the worgen is not in anyway shape or form civilised it stands on two legs big woop so do gorillas and raptors
sorry for double post, THEY REMOVED IT ?!, tbh id rather they done mine too im also on an eu server and its still there sitting pointlessly with nout to do
Okay why took they mine away?! WTF
ok give me a Aemored Pets Blizzard. now that wood be cool.
DAMMIT! I knew somethin was up when they did that sever restart. I was right in teh middle of tryin to tame him. This sucks. I was so close. It like goin to heaven and finding god smokin crack. DISAPPOINTMENT!!!
> ok give me a Aemored Pets Blizzard.
> now that wood be cool.
Just tame an armored wolf from Ramparts.
Gee i’m really sorry if my earlier comments offended anyone.
In order to fix issues with players who have tamed Garwal, all you need to do is abandon the Worgen. Your pet slot will then become available. ;)
The Ghost Wolf was a rarity and not a lot of hunter’s actually went to tame it. Be honest how many do you see on your server? 1 or 2 if you’re lucky. It was Blizzards first instance of a incorrectly flagged beast and they figured “meh, let them keep it” it was then removed as Shammy’s got a fancy new skill that used this model.
It could be solo tamed by a lukcy/skilled troll or team tamed with a preist using mind control on the mob to cast the spell at the correct time. It took a good bit c-ordination and required plenty of patience.
The slime/hydra/ghost croc was the 2nd flag issue. These pets required no funky tame methods other than you being the right level and having someone on the quest.
These are quirky pets more than anything as they’e based on Crocs which are still not really a popular pet.
Garwal is the next big flag issue. As i’ve said previously, if he turned into a human and you could tame him, you wouldn’t seriously expect Blizzard to allow you to keep the human. The only reason there is such anger is because its a pretty little worgen.
Could you cast tame beast on him when he was in worgen form? No.
Do think he was supposed to be tamed in worgen form? No
Does Blizzard accept it was ok to tame him? No.
“But what about the Ghost Wolf!?!?!?”
Could you tame beast on him when summon? Yes
Do you think that the mob was supposed to tamed? No, they never thought at the time tame beast could be reduced to 8 seconds. Something like that just isn’t taken into consideration.
Does Blizzard accept it was ok to tame him? Yes, then No.
I love the comment saying that the negativity is from people who don’t have it. Some fabulous hunter’s such as myself don’t need it. If I want to use a Wolf to raid or pose with i’ll use my Ghost Wolf thank you very much :P
“have to re-level a new wolf” … yeah OMG leveling up 5 levels now is horrible. How will people cope with the effort
Old Cliffjumper has a unique skin and can be difficult to locate
Ironjaw has a unique skin
You have tamable horde mounts in Outlands as pets
Snarler and the Vilebranch wolves are rare models you don’t see hunter’s with
Horde hunter’s wanting to be unique can tame the wolves in Dun Morgh/Ashenvale that you rarely see.
Part of being a hunter is being able to personalise your character. If you want to be like everyone else, perhaps its time to roll a death knight or paladin
bullshit. i still have mine, altho its useless (no talents and abilities etc)
either remove it, or fix it again.
dont do half work
“Slavery is bad”
Yeah right, thats why DKs have zombies. Human zombies. What a bullcrap. Slavery concern about made up monsters.
If Worgen will become a playable race, ok. But if not, this was just useless and mean.
“We dont want hunters to have them as pet” Well I still have mine as a pet but you made it useless. Why not as well leave it. Jeez.
>Could you cast tame beast on him when he was in worgen form? No.
Do think he was supposed to be tamed in worgen form? No
Does Blizzard accept it was ok to tame him? No.<
Could you cast tame beast on him when he was in worgen form? yes you can.
“Could you cast tame beast on him when he was in worgen form? No” YES we were able to cast tame beats on him when he was a worgen…….
Guys, I’m willing to bet that if your worgen appears to be missing from the stable, he isn’t. Since worgens are no longer part of any pet family, it stands to reason that they no longer have any icons for stables and other such things. What may appear to be an empty slot could just be your worgen, glitched to appear empty. I could be wrong with this, I have no worgen to test it with, but logic tells me that this is what’s happening.
WARNING! OPINION AND WALL OF TEXT AHEAD!
Anyhoo on to the matter of the removal of the worgen itself… I think I got the best deal here. I helped other hunters get him on my alt without being able to tame him myself on my hunter, so I get to experience the thrill of the tame without having to suffer though the heartbreak that’s happening now…
But seriously, we were warned from day 1 that he wasn’t going to last. I know he was awesome and you were hoping against all hopes that he wouldn’t be removed, but the manner in which you had to get him, plus his nature as a humanoid (in technicallity) was really a dead givaway that he wouldn’t last.
Yes, other pets that shouldn’t have been tamed have been allowed to stay, but it’s different. In the ghost wolf’s case, although he shared the same skin as some undead wolves, he was a spirit. I feel that hunters with a ghost wolf pet essentially have a wolf spirit protecting them, the very essence of what makes a wolf a wolf.
Gezzarak was just a warp stalker (admittedly one more powerful than your average warp stalker), the ghost croc and hydra can again be placed in the “spirit of a creature” category and the slime…. well, I dunno about the slime. Maybe it follows you because it gets a free meal from it?
In adittion, all these pets were tamed as-is. You weren’t able to, say, tame Gez in such a way so she appeared to be Onyxia.
I know one of the big arguments is that if he wasn’t inteded to be gliched this way than Blizzard shouldn’t have made him a tamable beast. The problem with this thinking is that is essentially means that Blizzard should never ever trust us with anything ever again for fear that we’ll somehow twist it beyond it’s original intention. All the stupid blame and anger on the forums and in other places certainly isn’t helping things.
Think of it this way:
Blizzard places an item on top of the cupboard for some strange reason. Normally we can’t see on top of the cupboard, so we don’t know it’s there. Blizzard goes out for the holiday, leaving us foolishly unattended. A stray hand reaches up and brushes past the item.
“Huh” we think to ourselves. “That doesn’t seem right”.
So we try and figure a way to investigate whatever it was we brushed up against, working together to bring it down. Finally, we get a good grip on it and descover to our delight that it was a cupcake! Quickly we scoff it down, relishing how delicious and forbiden it is.
Blizzard comes home to find we ate the cupcake and scolds us. “It wasn’t intended for you to eat!” Blizz says. “We had plans for that cupcake, plans which we can’t tell you about. We’re willing to forgive you though, hope it tasted nice.”
Rather than bow our heads to this, we demand Blizz gets us another cupcake. When they refuse, we throw a temper tantrum XT-002 Deconstructor style. We yell, we cry, we throw items and say that Blizz is a facist nazi (amongst other nastier things).
Blizz has been weathering this out so far. But if we continue to behave like brats about this, well, maybe Blizz won’t bother to make any more cupcakes ever again.
‘“have to re-level a new wolf” … yeah OMG leveling up 5 levels now is horrible. How will people cope with the effort’
You don’t get it. People who tamed Garwal in WOLF FORM. Not worgen. WOLF. SAW white wolf, WANTED WHITE WOLF now have a useless pet! If this really is the case, Blizzard really screwed up big time as they blatantly show they -don’t- care about hunters.
They made it where WE HURT OTHER HUNTERS. Why? Oh we’re to lazy to remove the buff on all worgens. So we’ll make Garwal untameable, but not even bother to fix him correctly. We’ll then screw around with his files so everyone, worgen or wolf, suffers.
I have NO problem really if they removed Loki [abnd other worgens], I have no problem if they changed them to wolves, I might have actually KEPT HIM. But this? They didn’t even care about innocent hunters who would be hurt if they really DID mess around with the skin.
And ever think that people might not like the horde wolf skin? Or Old cliff jumper? OR the coyote model? As personally I hated it really on Ryai.
But anyways that’s not the point my case is, if they really screwed people over and they have to retame a new pet, lv 75 or lv 80 [if you have Hodir phased in for you 8D], all because Blizzard was TO lazy to fix this correctly!
Velcro, zombies generally do not have independent thought, and are difficult to describe as being sentient. In gameplay terms, they are also undead, not humanoid.
Others,
WoW is not designed on the whims of players. The sooner certain players get that through their heads, the better. You pay money to play WoW, not to design it. Blizzard do not owe you a pet, especially one obtained from an exploit.
To attempt to dismiss such arguments as “ass-kissing” Blizzard is childish, irrational and wholly unconvincing.
“Guys, I’m willing to bet that if your worgen appears to be missing from the stable, he isn’t.”
At the place in the stable where the pet should be there is space with the text empty stable place (i see it in german, so there could be some mistakes ;D)
To Shorty – Pardon me if I seem rude, but have you actually tried switching your active pet with the “empty space?”
I’m gonna elaborate a little more on what I think is happening with this missing pet Worgen, I may not have been as clear as I would have liked. :)
Since he is no longer in any pet families, the worgen has no icon for the stables and no flavour text. he’s just sort of in limbo, a state of not existance while still existing. Since the game doesn’t have any data imputed for this non-existent pet family it jsut uses the default, which in this case should be the “this slot is empty” text and icon.
Again, this is an educated guess on my part, based off of a little logic and a few other testimonies in this thread. I’d check it out myself, but as I said before I have no worgen pet on live and I can’t seem to download the PTR patch to test it my premade who does have the worgen. But I think this is what’s happening, and I certainly hope I’m right. If Blizz *is* ninja removing the Worgen, well, I’m gonna be a little more pissed. That would not be cool.
“To Shorty – Pardon me if I seem rude, but have you actually tried switching your active pet with the “empty space?”” Yes i tried…..
Can you just stop whining and move on? This pet BECAME SO COMMON THAT WAS MOSTLY ANNOYING. Everyone and their mom had a worgen, it was nothing special few hours after wowinsider and mmochampion explained where and how to tame it.
Tame a Sporebat instead, almost no one has one.
heh I still see wolf icon on my stable. :)
such a glass pet anyway it really feels like it would just vanish with one wrong move..
and hunters keep whining on the forums! (it really helps)
’such a glass pet anyway it really feels like it would just vanish with one wrong move..
and hunters keep whining on the forums! (it really helps)’
No :/ I saw the Retrispam threads. It was horrible. Only a few people brought up the cases of their broken dps well, the rest just jumped the faceroller coaster for lols and spammed everywhere on the EU forums.
And aren’t Sporebats still broken anyways
and leveling a pet from 75 to 80 takes under 4h so quit whining about that.
@Jimbo
You could, in fact, cast tame beast when he was in worgen form. He just reverted to wolf when you did so.
To Shorty – Damn, that sucks :( Sorry to have doubted you. I understand that they’d want to get rid of the worgens, but that seems to be such a dirty and underhanded way to do it. A message of some sort at least would be nice.
As a last and desperate measure, try using call pet or trying to tame something in the empty slot’s place. Again, I don’t wish to seem to be doubting you, just hoping it’s something we overlooked and you still have that gorgeous (if now useless) pet.
With this, even my white wolf no longer works.
i still have it, without his talents n stuff, but it has got icon, name and everything else
And to shorty, there’s sometimes a glitch with switching pets when mounted, and I got mine to show up by simply moving my pets around enough in the stable.
I will still try to get him appear in front of me but i think they removed mine
Okay i have him again i switched to the empty place and tried to call him then but it said my pet would be dead so i tried se rezz and he appeard YAY
But the funyy thing is that he is now twice as tall as my n8elf hunter
My account doesn’t work on the WoW forums at all, if it did, I’d be spamming blizzard about how my damn white wolf didn’t work anymore. I can’t tame the hodir ones with my rep as well.
TO ALL HUNTERS- IMPORTANT! (at least i hope)
I sent him suicide, rezzed him and voila 11k hp instead of 5 :)
how was his happiness
mend pet works
284-
You know at one time I too believed that cool looking pet = 51-75% of the hunter population soon to be seen with one… but it hasn’t panned out that way.
Saying “everyone has one now!” sounds all too similar to people who describe every game challenge as “that’s easy!1one! lolol”, i.e. a kneejerk response.
Not doubting that you’ve seen some running around – just that what you’re seeing is very likely to be a miniscule fraction of your server’s actual hunter population, and that (if they’d been left with talents) you’d more than likely be seeing a lot less of them as time got on and people inevitably got over the thrill of their shiny-new-thing-that-actually-doesn’t-do-anything-special.
Edit – that was in reply to 285 not 284, sorry Twi :)
I just talked with a GM on Bloodscalp EU.
First of all, i had same issues like every1 else (big pet on loginscreen, no talents and abilities, 5k hp)
But. I sent my pet suicide, ressed him, voila 11K hp, mend pet (glyph also) works. GM said that Blizzard thought to erase this like the following: You put it in stables, relog and its gone.
It doesnt work either, just select the empty stablespot and cast resurrect pet. The worgen cannot die :)
So if they wanted to erase it, they did a bad job.
EZ er to make this model as a new wolfskin and let the few hunters go.
Lerk you’re a real jerk aren’t you :/
‘and leveling a pet from 75 to 80 takes under 4h so quit whining about that.’
And guess what. WE INCONVIENCED OTHER HUNTERS. And lol what under 4 hours to level a pet? With what, Heroics? Yeah everyone does Heroics. Please. Stop sounding like an ass and get the point.
Blizzard PUNISHED INNOCENT HUNTERS. What now when another pet appears like the Ghostdile, Crocoslime or Gezzarak? What then? Do we tame it? Or do we shy away from it because we might hurt other hunters.
This isn’t about ‘oh lol go tame a new pet u qqing whiners lololz’ this is the fact Blizzard PUNISHED innocent players along with the ‘guilty’. [because everyone wants to call us exploiters :DDD] but anyways- people who had tamed Garwal as a wolf, because they wanted a WHITE [northrend]WORG got punished. And WHAT if they never knew about Garwal in the first place? Oh it’s there fault for not visiting the forums, Petopia or MMO? I never knew about Petopia untill, pft, someone mentioned it a -long- time ago in the hunter forums when I still went there.
Now do you understand this isn’t just about the inconvience of having to power level another wolf- it’s the fact they have to do it in the first place.
[and tbh I only ever saw 3 other Worgen, it wasn't any more popular than spirit wolf, or the oracle pets or wasps or Gez]
I made a rather large post defending hunters and the viability of this pet on the Customer Service forum and not 2 minutes after the post was deleted.
Go figure seeing I pointed out that the Slime also breaks all mechanics behind hunter pets and does not truly fit with any of the other beast classifications.
I wish you’d go post that on the wow hunter forums ryai. I really want my non-color-changing white wolf back.
Its a slap in the face that they just delete peoples posts when they make valid points.
While I’d obviously love to be able to use my worgen just like everyone else, I believe this debate can be argued from either side, e.g. we can say “humanoids are no more different from beasts than slimes, and besides Garwal was listed as a beast”, and they can say “but armor wearing bipeds are sentient and inappropriate for taming, regardless of underlying species” and on and on it goes. Bottom line, it’s a pretty evenly stacked issue, without a clear advantage to one side or the other, and it has to come down to a final judgment call, which is what Blizzard did. Maybe they fumbled and delayed and still haven’t really “fixed” it one way or the other, but that in essence is what’s happened, and we either accept it or keep smashing our heads against a wall.
It reminds me of an actual printed rule in the WH40k miniatures wargame – in case of a dispute where existing rules don’t really apply, you simply flip a coin – better to have closure and get back to playing the game then the alternative. And I think is more less what happened here.
OMG folks!Stop infighting about the dynamics of what it is or isn’t sentient or not, it’s a bloody toon! A very cool looking toon that most of us are trying to scam into our stables. Be honest about it and close the ranks so we can hit blizz with legitimate rationale instead of appearing as inbread backwoods hicks. The two reasons the blues are clinging to for taking him back are that 1) they just flat don’t want us to have him. not much to do there but gripe at them and hope it works. and 2) that they never intended for hunters to tame humanoids.
Well, great friggin news! We didn’t! We tamed a wolf. Period. the only thing humanoid is the skin. The talent tree, Icon, and stats were all wolf. when tamed in wolf form… we got a wolf. When tamed in worgen form(wrong much jimbo)… we got a wolf. It’s a wolf! that’s all. On that one they don’t have a leg to stand on.
Now that may not matter much due to #1, but we have to try right. And if we lose so what ya had fun and got screenshots didn’t you? There is a more serious side to this as a community though.. they fucked our fellow hunters who had the legit wolf for a legit wolf. whatever happens with worgen they need to make that right.
Wall, meet head. Head, wall.
Yes, it’s obviously annoying that it sounds like it affected the basic wolf form as well, but sometimes this is the form immediate fixes have to take.
Not only that, but it’s a pet skin. Absolutely nothing to do with game mechanics – you can use a different wolf skin for the moment.
@Scott – I have an armor wearing wolf from Hellfire Peninsula… he wears armor, he’s a wolf
Gorillas arguably are bipedal humanoids, sure they don’t wear armor…. Both the Gorilla and the Worgen travel on all-fours.
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Removal of the Worgen demands removal of the slime… period. The Slime isn’t truly a beast either, but yet it behaves as a crocolisk. Hunters were allowed to keep another bastardization of hunter-lore, this one is no different.
Isn’t it telling that as soon as we discover an odd or special pet, we all run out to tame it as fast as possible before Blizzard removes it? We know what will happen and try to have fun before blizzard takes it away (only Approved Fun ™ for you!)
If they just left it, people would try it out for awhile, most would get sick of it and trade it for something else. Just a novelty to try once, esp. if all the novelties stayed.
I got the hive queen but not the other shalozar pets. You sometimes see people with them, and now you have to keep it. If they left them all in, some would try them, most would abandom them once the novelty wore of.
Letting people have freedom allows problems to take care of themselves.
shade25 wrote the wolf was the obviously intended behaviour, they had code so that if people tried to tame him and got it off after he transformed he’d revert to his intended wolf form
Sure, but the problem is, it’s not hurting anyone. It’s not like an exploit to gain an advantage over other players. Just a silly thing to have fun with.
Same with how warlocks used to be able to get demon names they wanted, same with taming other pets.
Unless a bug is discovered, there’s no reason for blizzard to make any effort to “fix” this, it’s the very attitude that a “fix” is needed in the first place that is the problem.
People doing something unintended? so what?
A bug is found due to that? Ok fix it. but unless a bug is found who cares, really? Why do you or other players or Blizzard care at all?
“I just hate cats, and WoW is rife with them. Cats for mounts, cats for combat pets, cats for mini pets, cats for forms for druids, cats, cats cats. WHAT IS THIS OBSESSION. I HATE IT. DO NOT WANT.
I have no problem with any of the other pets. <3″
THIS.
Oh poop, my first ever chance at a rather awsume pet(yes i know it wasn’t supposed to have its appearence) and now it defunked. I respect Blizzards decision on the front of preventing any futher taming to occur, i just feel that removing the worgens ability to be…useful, a bit of a kick.
It’s sorta like, metaphorically speaking, blizz dropped us a sweet by accident, and upon picking it up they come back, take the sweet and leave us with its empty wrapper crickled up in out trembling palms. Although it is a very nice looking wrapper, the type you would frame and hang on your wall, just so you can step back and look at it and say” wow, thats a nice wrapper”.
Wait what the hell am i on about?
Oh yeah, i miss my worgens usefullness :(
blizz love allies, nelfs like cats so blizz love cats, personally i dont like the ingame ones love my rl ones though
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=9942035269&sid=1&pageNo=13
lots of clever posts there
Wow good point about dk zombies… they do appear humanoid. And even if only considered undead, well undead is a playable race and therefore shouldnt be forced into slavery? So to make Blizz’s point on slavery vaild they must removed the slavery of undead ghouls? Garwal seemed to be more beastlike in behavior anyway.
343
yea and he likes free food, not just mending. and he is intellectual so he wanna be trained, and talented… He is a sad worgen now, forced to be dumb and powerless.
It seems like BLizz is grasping at straws to make a point and attempt to make sense. The big problem is that there are huge holes in their logic, and loop holes everywhere. Just about every excuse they throw out for why we cant keep our worgens is and has been still in play in the game.
Blizz is going to remove the pets… that told me a GM and it semmed that he doesnt wanted to talk about it.
You have to realize that if they would leave the pet ingame they would get nearly the same amount of nerd rage from people who already completed the quest and can’t get it.
And? If people weren’t fast enough and couldn’t get it, thats life.
I mean it didn’t hinder blizz to remove the amani bear, did it?
Okay its a freaking werewolf…not only that but its a wolf that turned into a werewolf…it did not have a human form as far as we know…therefore it’s not human, I have difficult time thinking of that as slavery.
If they wanted to be PC or something they could simply say its a guardian rather than a pet like the dk zombie or the warlock creatures….. and if they want to talk about slavery…look at the freaking succubus it looks like she got pulled out of a BDSM extravaganza to do the bidding of someone, same thing with the doomguard and the voidwalker…they are summoned for the sole purpose of doing whatever the warlock wants. If we are going with Blizzards logic that would be considered slavery as well.
I don’t care that they took the worgen away, I tamed it I really enjoyed playing with it…but I knew they were going to take it away, because it goes against what they as a company want. I’m not going to stop playing my hunter just because they took it away, she is still my favorite toon.
I am also not going argue for them to bring it back, this is their game…not ours…yeah we pay 15 bucks a month, but that still does not mean that we really have a say in anything concerning their game.
What bothers me about this situation is the methods they used to pull the worgen out of the game and the excuses they are presenting for taking it away.
If the hunter community can rally together for something like this, why not try for getting our class buffed a bit, or why not work on petitioning Blizz about making all the creatures in the game that are considered beasts tamable….I know we have about 250-300 options, but considering how many beasts are in the game…that is not a lot at all. There are tons of other creatures out there that are really cool looking that we cannot have for some reason, like the stegadons, diemetradons and pterrordaxs.
I’m ranting at this point, I just don’t plan on arguing for them to put the worgen back in the game as tamable. Its really not a big deal to me. I do however think they should apologize for the methods they used in this matter.
Sorry if I repeated anything people have already said, I skimmed over most of the posts I just don’t have the time to read over all of them.
Xiongmao, you know what a werewolf is, right? They’re humanoids in wolf form. Not wolves in human form.
I don’t care if this was a humanoid pet, I don’t care if maaaaaybe Bliz will make it a playable race later. I don’t care if it was a glitch, exploit, slavery, wtfever.
Secretly trying to trick hunters into “deleting” their own pets by stabling them is really wrong. Make an announcement. Man the &@!$ up Bliz.
Giant worgen from this “fix” just makes Bliz look even stupider.
I have a feeling Blizz doesn’t want us having a Worgen pet because they have something planned with Worgen down the road. Whether this is a playable race (they have many /emotes and can display armor), a planned pet family down the road, or something else entirely is still unknown. It would be nice if the hotfix was intended to try and get as many hunters to dump him as possible before coming up with a true solution and make him usable again but… I’ll keep him as a vanity pet as long as Blizz will let me, but I seriously doubt they will revert the already tamed ones to true ‘pet’ status.
Worgen and Werewolves are not the same thing though…
” Worgen are large, wolf-like humanoids reminiscent of a werewolf that walks upright, but lopes on all fours to run. According to sources held by the undead, the worgen come from another dimension, and exist only to terrorize and destroy. These creatures are thoroughly evil, delighting in torturing and devouring intelligent creatures. They enjoy hearing the screams of their victims as they tear them apart piece by piece. Worgen never show mercy or remorse. They may seem savage, but they are fairly intelligent and possess a cruel bestial cunning that can come as a surprise to the unprepared.
Most worgen keep their wolf-like forms at all times, but experiments by the mage Arugal has resulted in human/worgen hybrids who only appear as worgen under the light of the moon. They carry with them a dark corrupting malaise that grows wherever they infest, making the surrounding area dark and gloomy.
Cursed beings from another dimension, worgen only appear in Azeroth as the result of magical mishaps. True aberrations, they are accidentally drawn through temporary rift tunnels and deposited in this world with no apparent way of returning. Nothing is known about the worgen’s home realm, or even precisely how to spawn the rift tunnels through which they come. ”
Quoted from Wowwiki, which is mostly composed from books laying around in-game and from Blizz lore itself. They contradicted themselves with their reasoning to remove. They have gone against lore before to get rid of problems they don’t like and try to justify it, and they have done so again. Its nothing new.
The only thing unique about this worgen was the fact that he could shift into wolf form, which he seemed to prefer so he could control and drive the pack that he stole insane. He is a worgen, that could morph into a wolf… nothing that has ever been witnessed before by other worgens. Arugal probably didn’t even know they could do so…
Interestingly enough, I just saw a Garwal in Dalarn that had over 11k HP, which would indicate that it didn’t lose its stats/abilities, or somehow regained them.
Syris – talents stay gone, if you kill it then spirit rez it it gets its 11,000 hp back…
Kirkburn
Worgen, werewolf, garou, lycantrope….whatever you want to call it…I don’t care about terminology. Did I ever say that they were wolves in human form…no I said Garwal was a wolf that turned into a werewolf…
Different cultures have different mythos surrounding what a werewolf is. Be it a person that change into a wolf, a wolf into a person, or a person that can turn into a half man/half wolf.
In terms of WoW worgen and werewolf is the same thing. I mean what is the point in trying to argue with me or prove me wrong over something this trivial….do you not have anything better to do that attempt to prove that you know more about a mythological creature than me?
LIke i mentioned before… the humanoid, salvery or playable race arguement doesnt hold well when dk’s have an undead as their slave which walks upright as well and since undead is already a playable race. But making our pets useless is a childish fix… they dont like our new toy so they break it. Silliness…
Oh Twi
Thanks for explaining the lore….but again just because I used the word werewolf instead of worgen should not matter in the grand scheme of things.
WARNING! Blizzard’s now swinging Banhammers at anyone posting on the forums Pro-Worgen. I’ve recieved a temporary 72 hour ban from the World of Warcraft forums for starting a defensive post thoroughly researched with examples of how Blizzard has dropped the ball on this hotfix and examples of why they should either reinstate this pet or remove the Slime and other obvious abhorations to taming.
Banhammer Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i noticed that the worgen is the most loyal companion in WoW: i dismissed him an a few minutes later i looked in the stable to switch to my cat and suddenly he appeared next to my toon ;D
Bliz is turning into such a dictatorship. We pay their freaking salaries, but god forbid we post disagreements with them :I
FREEDOM OF SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH
/sigh
Xiongmao,
All’s good, I was more or less pointing out that Blizz’s claim is wrong since Worgen are their own race and Arugal was the one who cursed Pyrewood so they turn into em at night. Not that Worgens are originally humans from where they come from.
Thanks for the heads-up Shadowbark… Blizz has spoken and is now justifying responses against them with bans… great PR if you ask me… just my 2 cents.
@Riojin
Kindred spirits DOES work for Lupin, my wolf.
Shadowbark: ty for the update. i noticed posts, and threads were starting to disappear… didn’t think the ban bat had come into play yet though.
i think this was a spark though, i’ve seen some hunters on the forums ticked but not so much at the worgen state as, if they can jump this quick on a skin why are we facing other massive long term issues with things like prowl.
for now though i think i’ve taken more of an observer stance and questioning the future.
Mainia: thank you for the space to chat/vent, this is one of the first issues i’ve tracked in ages with wow.
hope this wasn’t the cause of petopia’s crash yesterday. i can only imagine the traffic this must be hitting your sites with.
Its at times like this i wish this was trade chat so i could link a [Tear stained hankerchief] Some of you guys really could need a hug.
Could you tame him in worgen form? Yes, ok then but he went back to wolf form… Gee sorry for getting that one wrong but hey! him changing back to wolf form really makes it seem that it was ok to tame the worgen doesn’t it?….no.
Punished? Seriously dude chill out. Punished is getting suspended from the game.
Having to tame a new pet is no time at all and you’re getting too worked up about A GAME?
“Screw you Blizzard %”%”&#! we pay for this” Honestly once again you’re getting too emotionally wrapped up in a game, drop the tired arguement with that one. You pay to access the game they give you to play. Read the terms you agree to when you sign in and they can change the game if they want. Your “demands” don’t come into it.
Scared of the 5 levels for a new pet?
Ok then go to Storm Peaks and tame a level 79 or 80 Frostworg that uses the WorgWhite skin. Friendly or higher with Son’s of Hodir? Then tick “at war” and tame one no problem.
What horrible “punishment” having to fly to Stormpeaks to tame a level 80 pet again. Oh noes how can i go on?
Garwal how do i quit you?
its kinda odd that people are saying everyone has one when my server has like only 20 hunters horde and ally who have one. I just gona keep a eye on this topic and see what happens. im not gona get to upset about it because i still like mine no matter how much he stinks as long as i have something few people on my server have im happy inside.
Anyone remember the black and green warp stalker that’s a pain in the arse to tame as well (since it can interrupt the casting of tame beast) but is worth it just for the nice looks and the way it’s summoned via a lightning bolt?
When is that going to get a hotfix so that it can be of any use in pvp? >.<
Stabling mine seems to be fine. I stabled him several times and he always appeared in the stable slot as the wolf. I was actually trying to get him to become larger like his original self like someone else above said their’s did.
I can live with only having him as a novelty pet, but I sure wished he had growl…
Oh… and I know the following link’s content isn’t endorsed by Blizzard themselves but it might show what we have to look forward to in having Worgen as a playable race. Notice the date the thread is posted and then look at the details of each individual expansion pack… spooky isn’t it?
The Worgen race would come into play in the Plane Set… which is scheduled after the upcoming Maelstrom/Cataclysm expansion.
Here is the link:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21;mid=119012268058738816;num=125;page=1
Stabling mine seems to be fine. I stabled him several times and he always appeared in the stable slot as the wolf. I was actually trying to get him to become larger like his original self like someone else above said their’s did.
I can live with only having him as a novelty pet, but I sure wished he had growl…
Oh… and I know the following link’s content isn’t endorsed by Blizzard themselves but it might show what we have to look forward to in having Worgen as a playable race. Notice the date the thread is posted and then look at the details of each individual expansion pack… spooky isn’t it?
The Worgen race would come into play in the Plane Set… which is scheduled after the upcoming Maelstrom/Cataclysm expansion.
The link above this post is the link…
@ Frazzlebeard:
I believe you’re referring to Gezzarak the Huntress. =) She has already been fixed, I use her for everything bar raiding and battlegrounds. However, the same fix also made her untameable. Sorry if I burst your bubble.
xXx
They really are bastards aren’t they xD
It seems that you all have ruined everything.. over this worgen.. I could care less if you all get mad at me.. but, As so many people stated.. that user agreement.. contract you click on gives them the right to do this.. We can’t do anything about it.. It was O.K. to start a petition, but now things have gotten downright ugly.. and pathetic.. People have been so envious of the ghost wolf, Hydra and slime owners.. That is the only reason that this stupid ass argument is taking place ” They get to keep theirs, why can’t I keep mine?” For some reason they don’t want you to and thats that. grow up people.. I’m sure that this isn’t the end of the world. I honestly think that they made those special pets, (Wolf, slime etc.) on purpose, as a special gift for being a hunter.. But seeing to as how childishly you all are acting I wouldn’t be surprised if Blizzard ceases to such anymore… It’s one dumb ass skin so get over it or stop playing.. As so many people mentioned before.. Why are you all going ballistic over this? Why not go ballistic over something that will help your class? Maybe a pet buff so you won’t continuously get stomped in PvP? or even allowing your pets to remain with you while mounted… ( I personally wanted the pet to remain with me while mounted, but with these hunters acting like they have no self control, It’s not happening..) You guys want to stand out so bad and say ” OH LOOK! I HAVE SOMETHING YOU DON’T IM BETTER THAN YOU!!! IM SPECIAL.. MY CHARACTER IS WAAAAAAY COOLER!” That you are ruining the hunters reputation.. I mean, c’mon, It’s gotten so bad… that they are banning people..? I don’t care about the supposed language ban here, I am a grown man and I do as I please and I’m going to say it to wake you all up.. WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE! ITS A GAME! A GAME TO RELAX YOU AND HAVE FUN.. NOT TO BRING UP SLAVERY DEBATES AND BULLSHIT LIKE THAT.. You want to have something other people don’t so bad that you’ll act foolishly and childishly to get it.. this is sad, and dumb.. If you want something that others don’t have that bad.. go for the 100 mount achievement and get yourself a Red/Blue dragonhawk or save up 19,000g and get yourself a 3-seater Mammoth or better yet, Why don’t you learn how to play the game and try for the heroic dungeon achievements and get yourself a protodrake that flies at 310%? The point is.. That we are doing nothing but showing Blizzard that we aren’t mature at all, just because Person A has a ghost wolf and you don’t and you wanna be special too, so since you can’t be special you write a ticket asking for their Ghost wolf/ slime to be deleted and what happens if blizzard does delete it.. Even more Chaos and Stupidity… They don’t have a reason to delete the damn skin but, IT IS THEIR GAME. THEY MAKE THE RULES YOU DON’T IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT THEN QUIT PLAYING.. ENOUGH WITH THE WHINY ASS CRAP. HELL, If we could protest like this on real life worldly manners, the world would be in alot better shape, But leave it to a Fantasy/Fiction game with a pet worgen to screw things up.. I’m not writing this to be mean.. Hopefully you all will listen and the fighting amongst each other and Blizzard will cease.. We are better than this, at least, I know I am.. What about you? Yeah I am talking to you who is reading this.. Do you think you can quit crying over spilled milk and move on? I really hope so.. If not.. maybe you need to find another hobby. Farewell all, My so-called reasoning with you is over.. Whether the onslaught will cease is up to you… Special shout out to MANIA!! you are freakin awesome..
Signed, King Flan.
Oh well thanks for letting me know, saves me finding a couple of folks to do the summon and stun it for a few seconds, was going to tame it but it seems you have to be fast to get a rare pet.. and I am a porky git, too much beer and smoked venison and not enough running after the healers :(
Durana and Shorty, thanks! So what really happened was, I had him with me when I logged out Monday; after the hotfix, I no longer have a pet icon for him. I was mounted when I logged, mounted when I spoke to the stable master, and at that point it appeared he was no longer there — so switching to a different pet merely put him in the stable with a blank icon.
After reading your comments, I tried swapping my active pet with the blank spot, and viola, HUGE worgen with 5k health! :D He’s like 3x the size of my puny night elf!
I tried the suicide trick, and that did seem to put his health back to 11k when ressurected. However… one of the buffs I put on him immediately after seems to have reverted him to 5k. :( The buffs were Scroll of Strength VIII and Kibbler’s Bits.
Yep, Kibbler’s bits work and give a slight happiness increase (10 points). I’m not on for too long, so I’ll be leveling him over the next few days. since he can’t hold aggro, it’s going to be a master class in cc…
Heh, perhaps the Worgen is a blessing in disguise…
I mean, I never ran dailies on hard mode before! And better, yet, you never ever have to worry about the cower/growl bug with the Worgen ever again!
This is a real man’s hunterpet=P
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Anyone notice the worgen seems to have about 50-70 more base dps than all my other normal pets? Course, with 2 second speed, damage was quite poor still (rolling sv, and I’d get a 700 pet crit on the worgen’s only damage – white damage.)
I’m wondering if it’s scaling from somewhere else, because that doesn’t seem right. Like if it’s coming from spellpower or something. It’d be interesting to test out (apparently with the earlier report that kindred spirits working with Worgen.)
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(and if you’re gonna whine about us needing to get over it, get over it and go back to your dumb Ulduar hardmodes and loots: we’re all pretty much gonna look identical in 3.2 anyway lol=)
(btw the prior statement was joking. I believe Mania would end this with a *grin?)
I thought this might cheer a few people up, considering how depressed we’ve gotten over our worgens. Cute little fanart.
http://wandragonica.deviantart.com/art/Me-and-my-quot-pet-quot-128711303?offset=10#comments
Perhaps this is why Bliz didn’t want hunters with worgens >v<
Mania–first thanks so much for hosting all our madness. I love you. Second, has there been any more blue posts about the ultimate fate of our worgens? Tried going through the official forums but keep finding the topics have been deleted. Off to play my priest and make stuff run away from me….
Why insult people for talking about their concerns, thats what forums are for. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and this is a very controversial issue. But this is supposed to be a thread concerning the worgen and its current situations in the game, not insulting and taunting other gamers. Its just a game, its just a skin, having another unique pet out there wont kill the game or its storylines. A dog can be a man or womans best friend, why cant a werewolf or worgen? :P
Xiongmao, no, Garwal is a worgen. If you’re trying to suggest that because he’s normally in wolf form, this makes him a wolf, well … that’s just silly. Regardless, it becomes a silly conversation when you step back and realise this whole thing isn’t even about taming him wolf form.
Mythology only comes up it if you keep trying to describe a worgen or a werewolf as primarily a wolf. It’s just wrong.
Yeah well a wolf is a wild dog and at the time the npc was classified as a beast and was therefore tameable, kinda too late to change their mind because they made a mistake. Dk’s can have undead slaves and warlocks have humanoid pets. It wasnt hurting anything but their pride over a mistake they left in the code.
@Misfortune (369)
Just because one of the starting zones is named ‘Wolfenhold’ that does not mean it has anything to do with worgen.. if that site’s info is even real.
A litle reminder on the origins of pet “taming” as well as DK slavery…. Death knights are technically undead also the relationship between one and it’s ghoul is more partnership than master/slave. This will be more aparent in 3.2 when ghouls get improved emotes and speech text.
Before everything was kiddie tabled with hunter pets they would leave if not properly cared for. very similar to how they leave after 10 min during the initial taming quests. During these quests the hunter is taught about mutual respect between him and his companion. the relationship is more akin to a marriage than that of master/slave.
Now warlock pets on the other hand(particularly void walkers), as was previously stated are a slave relationship. They are beat into submission as their taming process. Yes the succubus seems to enjoy this process..lol.. but the void walker misses no opportunity to voice his displeasure. The imp vocally hates to fight… yada yada… but that is the nature of the class.. “controlling” the darkside of magics.
That’s what these arguments come down to, understanding the nature of the class. Unfortunately this whole topic bears nothing on the issue at hand.. cuz it’s a wolf by mechanics, only in appearance was it a humanoid.
to simplify..Worgen pet as tamed = wlof.. let us keep it ;}
death knight = not slave master
hunter = not slave master
warlock = slavemaster
Buff death knights, hunters keep worgen, nerf warlocks! rofl.
Also on werewolf mythos.. a werewolf is a human whos spirit has been possesed and corrupted by that of a malevolent wolf. It’s not a human that turns to a wolven form. The human spirit is enslaved and has no will to act. The ones that remain in that form are lost as human and remain humanoid in appearance only.
Not sure about you guys.. but I went to the stable today and my Worgen was gone. Gone as in.. no wolf.. no icon.. no pet.. nothing at all in the stables.
I’m glad i got Gondria just now though.
I was only making examples of some of their excuses like not allowing slavery or playable classes to be pets yet other classes break these rules. As for Garwal, he was never a human that i saw proof of, just a wolf that changed to a form that could walk upright… wheres the dna testing… LOL
I mean its obviously a wolf, since thats what its called when its tamed if it fits the lore or not. I didnt get mine named before they broke it so it will be “Wolf” forever, a constant reminder of what it is. hehe
I think we should be allowed to keep it but nerf the dps a little, that way it may not be as common and only used for the cosmetic appearance… which is why I tamed it in the first place, something neat to look at.
I’m sure there will always be holes in the lore and stories, Blizz keeps it that way so they can manipulate it when they feel the need to and everyone knows it. :P
To all those that think this was an exploit… It was not. Think whatever you want but simply stated. It was The Taming of a Beast. Nothing more and nothing less.
He is not a werewolf. The werewolves are those Worgen who arugal altered. It is no more slavery than a Gorilla or Raptor would be.
Demons? Slavery doesnt extend to them? funny. No its NOT about Slavery. Its about having a cool pet.
Ghost Wolf, Hydra, Ooze etc..ALL were never meant to be tamed but we got them. They make wonderfully unique pets. This is NO different.
It was a pain in the arse. We had to jump through hoops to accomplish it.
We did it. We deserve to keep it. We deserve to USE it.
Right on.
Lovcat, that’s exactly what it looked like in my case. Do you still have an unused stable spot? Try swapping your active pet into that spot and see what happens.
To be fair, it depends on what mythology you look at. There is a such thing as a Werewolf that was not born a human. Werewolves can come from normal wolves. At least that’s how it is in my favorite mythos. In the case of the WoW mythos, there are definitely Worgen that were never Human to begin with.
While ghouls are far more intelligent than most people seem to be giving them credit for (remember Mayor Godfrey Goddard was capable of coherent speech and even understood a different language than basic) I’ll concede to the earlier post about DK’s having more of a partnership with theirs (even though they can be targeted with some pretty nasty things from the DK’s lol).
Honestly, I look at the relationship between a Hunter and his/her pet in much the same way. Most beasts in the game seem to be capable of higher order thinking. There are numerous animals in the game that carry on conversations with the best humanoid. Because of that, I’ve always looked at my beasties more like completely sentient partners rather than an owner/servant relationship.
When I saw that folks could tame a worgen, I got excited. Then I saw I wouldnt be able to tame him on account of already doing the q. I was a little dissapointed.
But being a big worgen fan, I knew the lore behind these ferocious creatures and I figured: “these monsters deserve something better then being some other characters meat screen”.
Worgen should indeed be made available, but as full fledged player characters, either as a race, or possibly as an alternative druid skin. Though the race option would be much better imo. I feel sorta bad for all the folks that could tame him and are now stuck with a useless pet. But the fact remains that the worgen have a lot of potential as a possible player race, which really shouldnt be tamable by hunters.
Imagine a future expansion, perhaps called “Shadow of Sargeras”, where the great lord of the burning legion returns to Azeroth. Which gives two races a reason to appear out of the dark forgotten places of the world to combat this evil. Out of the ancient forests: the Worgen, always willing to fling themselves straight into the face of demonic evil and tear its lips off. And from the deep trenches of the Maelstrom: the Naga, sent by Aszhara herself, to repay the Dark Lord for his hollow promises which left the Highborne in their current cursed forms. OK, maybe im getting a bit too much into this, but seriously, how cool would such an expansion be?
And which factions they join? Well, I have ideas about that too, but I ll keep those to myself before I open up an entirely different can of worms there :)
On a final note: I love this site, though I rarely post on it (it s not that my opinions are THAT interesting :P ). One of the reasons I always come back here is that Mania, god bless her little pet-loving heart, always keeps things friendly and civil. So please, keep it nice, keep it silly, but dont start cursing like a 14-year old when you feel frustrated. No one with a bit of an adult mindset will to take you seriously when you do. I know I dont. I just scroll over to the next post when I read nasty stuff like that. Keep on hunting, folks!
Jeniveeve– another point of hypocracy from blizz… why can we not skin bear people or npc tauren ;}… drools a lil.
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Nice point Malikith…
I do recall skinning some yeti’s in my day… hehe
Undead can eat people, we might as well be able to skin taurens… LOL
I just want the neat unique skin on my wolf, it has no special abilities, I just thought it was an amusing rendering and great for RP, since my hunter is currently on a RP server… :P
Rofl.. having fun, not making fun…
How’d ya get your pet? Was walkin through the woods n this dam werewolf tried to bite me… but I bit him first!
FYI… Petopia is back up! YAY! =0)
I looked through all slots.. still gone completely.
OMFG I HATE U BLIZZ but i still like the fact i got a cool pet BUT PLZ FIX THE WORGEN PET MAKE HIM HIS OWN TREE IDC JUST FIX HIM!
Let’s not threaten physical violence here, okay?
I have been afraid to stable my worgen for fear it would disappear, and afraid to let it fight for fear it wont be rezzable.
So that leaves me with a BM hunter with a non useable pet. Please fix it already so I can actually play my hunter again.
It was a pain to get and I dont want to just dump it, they should stablize it soon so it can be safely stabled until they make up their minds.
I keep hearing that Blizzard’s arguements for letting the Worgen go are stupid and can be counter pointed with much better agruements… After a look at the MMO Champion blue tracker, I found the one topic about this that a blue had responded to and he had only 3 arguements that I could find (relating to the Worgen, not including his responces to the yelling that was being aimed at him):
1- Taming this pet was largely unfair. Taming the worgen relied on not having done a quest and an odd commitment to timing.
2- A humanoid who could only be tamed through the trickiest of means didn’t sit right with them.
3- They just don’t want hunters to have worgens as pets. Simple as that.
I know you’re pissed and maybe you feel these arguments are poor in quality as well. But let’s not put words in Blizzard’s mouth, mm? I’m personally more upset about the supposed ninja removal of these guys in the stable. Next time someone contacts a GM about it, could we get some screenshots?
One last thing, in these sorts of situations I feel that a different way of thinking helps.
For a weekend, you got to have your very own werewolf type creature as a pet. How awesome is that?! And not every hunter had the chance to experience that, this is something unique that you can tell tales about to future generations of hunters (if you’re still playing of course). Sure it was only for a few days but the best things in life don’t last forver. Hug your worgen if you have him and remember that, for a few days at least, you had experienced a level of awesome that other classes just can’t compete with. :)
Kalasha, it was the Old Gods Azshara pledged herself to and who changed the Highborne into Naga, not Sargeras.
does this pet still revert back to the wolf if you enter an arena? im curious to know.
The taming opportunity didnt seem unfair, just depended on the circumstances. Not like every hunter can tame a level 80 beast if they are not 80. Granted I would have been disappointed if i had done the quest line already, but I had not and the animal was the perfect level for my hunter. I think more people are complaining because we have it and it got mutilated, not because we couldnt get it at all. At least its a wolf as mines name tag still shows, not some weird slimeball or dragonkin-like hydra. They supposed didnt want those tamed either, but they still exist. Why destroy the animals abilities when they could just weaken them to make them a little less useful instead of totally useless? :P
Imo Durana.. The fairness issue is no different now than it was with the prior glitched pets. In all cases you either new about it or you didn’t, you were either in a position with your character to get or you were not. The humanoid argument is moot, we tamed a wolf(in all manners of function and ability) with a unique skin. The third point is the only valid one they have, and that’s what we were trying to sway.
To Taelrond – I dunno, I keep hearing dumb stuff on all sots of forums and I think a lot of it comes from people being pissed at loosing what they had (as mentioned by Jeniveeve above, which I feel is a pretty accurate statement). And, to cover my arse in this, all I was doing there was crossposting what Zar mentioned, not neccesarily my views. :)
Although I do have to respectfully disagree with you on the fairness thing. I have a huge wall of text I could type, but I think I’ll sum it up for our sanity’s sake ;)
With a lot of the other now-untamables, so long as you knew how to tame them and you were the right level, you had a shot. With the worgen, even if you had the skills to get this timing perfect tame down, so long as you had completed that one quest you were boned. Buuuuut I think this point has been made a number of times already, not gonna beat this dead horse anymore.
And we don’t know what blizz was thinking with the three spirits + the wasp queen, because I remember that they were available for a long time. Certainly longer that you’d expect a “not intended to be tamed” mob to be up. Maybe Blizz intenionally allowed them to be tamed as a sort of “limited time pet”, after all a lot of hunters loved the fact that they now had a limited time combat pet, which was announced to become untamable in the patch notes as I recall.
Well my frustration is that my hunter is almost useless now. I would love to keep it in its skin, but c’mon, to leave it able to be kept but useless is kinda stupid.
If they MUST change those that were tamed, revert it back… but leaving a pet dependant class with something thats pretty but doesnt function is pretty abnoxious.
Right on. You’re right, there are a lot of stupid posts about it, and a lot of baseless rage at the dev’s for the glitch. But I don’t think either blizz nor we have a leg to stand on with regard to the fairness issue. It absolutely sux for those who had previously completed it, however it would seem that they had the opportunity to get lucky with the tame even though the glitch hadn’t been exposed yet. I may be mistaken on that, I don’t know if the glitch had always been there or if it is a result of a recent patch. If I’m right, they had an chance whereas those newer players never had one at some of the other pets. Not that it matters.
I still find the likelyhood of someone discovering this on their own unlikely. I think the process was leaked by someone with knowledge of the game mechanics to begin with. It just seems too precise of a taming process.
It was nice while it lasted. Had a hard but fun time taming it, got to brag about with friends about it a little, had a screenshot with it, ran an heroic, and now it’s time to go back to some real ground-shaking slavering scaly pet that grows in size when it bites chuncks of mobs. :)
We had a little fun with a bug, that’s all. :)
Jeniveeve– I don’t know if you’re willing to risk it or not, but I’ve had no issues with the stables. I’ve messed about with it a lot tried other pets and came back, and he has remained. Tried the health bump posted earlier and it got him an extra 5k health, but only once. Mine will not attack if you hit the attack button, however he will defend, and attack when set to aggressive.
Knowing that it cant be retamed makes losing it a grim possibility.
I have heard about them disappearing in stables and not returning, and knowing that it cant be named now or fed because it says its not a pet leads me to believe that it may not respond to a rez and I do not wish to lose it forever by my own hand. SO it is not yet a risk I am willing to take. I just want my hunter to be able to dps in an instance and solo quest without worrying about losing my pet for good, besides the fact that as a BM hunter its nerf greatly reduces my dps capabilities. :(
I totally expected this pet to be removed, which is why I didnt tame one. However I do feel bad for the people who tamed gawal for the purpose of having a regular white wolf.. which is what he appeared to be back before womg-tame-a-werewolf craze. I think bizzard should pop the werewolves back into the white wolf form and un-break the pet.
Agravaine, I do realize that it was in fact the Old Gods who turned the Highborne into Naga, but then again Azshara would never have agreed to this transformation if she and her people had not been left in the turmoil of the Maelstrom to drown.
Sargeras promised Azshara true immortality and complete dominion over the world of Azeroth. Instead she ended up drowning in the largest natural disaster Azeroth ever suffered.
She and her followers ended up as grotesque amphibious parodies of Elves. Sure, a reasonable person would say: “Hey, maybe you brought it onto yourself, making a deal with the Dark Lord like that”.
But then again, Azshara never did sound like a very reasonable individual to me ^^
They are banning people from the official forums who talk about this pet.
After I was banned from the forums before I even posted anything about the worgen, I decided to cancel my subscription. Yes, I don’t like how they dealt with it, so this is how I am dealing with it. The game is boring anyway.
I also canceled my subscription over this Barnes. I don’t appreciate how they handled this and after playing for four years I’d expect better customer service. It helps to hear other people have done the same, I still like the game,but I won’t stand for the rudeness I got from gms and blizz.
I have nothing further to say on the forums, so I might be banned or not, at this point I don’t particularly care.
I have, however, been having the most fun in WoW since 40 man raids.
Blizzard have taken to DELETING EVERY POST on the official forums, EU/US that even MENTION ‘worgan’ or ‘garwal’
And they’ve even been banning accounts.
If they were getting bombarded with comments about it surely the point would be, listen to them. Grasp what they want and at least take it into consideration. Make an official thread, direct people there and provide some answers. Deleting and banning people because they’re saying something you don’t like or don’t want to comment on is not acceptable. This isn’t east Germany during the cold war.
Personally, I say let them have it. It could only be tamed under specific circumstances and even then you only had a one second window to achieve it or fail. Yes, make sure it can’t happen again but for christ sake, those who managed it, leave them be. The pet was functional, not glitches and wasn’t missing any animations, even for talents like charge, and that cannot be said about some of the previous rare tames. So what IS the problem exactly? IT wasn’t meant to be tamed? Neither were the others and lets face it, it’s not an easy tame. Humanoid slavery is bad? Yeah and the game and its lore is rife with it.
Had they fixed it, gave it a by-ball by leaving it usable and all this useless drama wouldn’t have been necessary.
Now we’ve people up in arms, users deleting characters, a gagged forum and an atmosphere of animosity so thick you’d need a chainsaw to make a dent.
It’s madness.
Diabhal, what they’re really doing is deleting redundant posts and extending the original post so that it is now at almost 1,500 replies.
Er, at least on the US General forum.
That thread was deleted Agravaine. I cheked cuz I’m bored while waiting for my new game to download lol
MAKE A WORGEN BEAST THAT IS A EPICLY RARE SPAWN SO A WORGEN IS A PET TYPE =)
What else would you expect after allowing other non-intended tames to stick, of course people are irritated. Its the inconsistency of how these pets were handled before and how they are handled this time is a bit unprofessional. Just seems like more trouble than its worth to delete or leave the pets useless at this point. Enough harm has already been done and they should make a good faith gesture to show us they arent going to dump on us anymore. :P
GoneAion: nope.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18315574519&sid=1
i still rock mine.
Weird, though… it’s now at 1000 posts and locked.
I have a feeling they’re gonna re-extend it though.
Oh my bad… this is the one I first mentioned, it got locked at the 1,500th post.
Both posts are still there though.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18312415683&sid=1&pageNo=76
-416 “I also canceled my subscription over this Barnes. I don’t appreciate how they handled this and after playing for four years I’d expect better customer service. It helps to hear other people have done the same, I still like the game,but I won’t stand for the rudeness I got from gms and blizz.”
People will ask you in years to come, Did you play WoW? And you’ll say:
“WoW?” *gazes off into the distance* “Yeah, i played WoW, I had a pet they didn’t want me to tame. They took that away from me so I quit”
“you quit over not being able to tame a pet?”
“Yeah..”
……….”ROFL”
How is being rude to other players helpful… its not.
Its a thread about the pet, not being disrespectful to other players.
Try to keep focused on the actual topic at hand. If you want to start a post to complain about other players, go for it. But this is a Garwal thread, try to be civil as asked in previous posts. :P
Just wish Blizz would make up their minds for sure on what they are going to do with those that are already tamed already instead of leaving them dying and useless. Well unless you have glyph of petmend to keep them happy. :)
At least make it a trophy vanity pet, like an achievement. That way I can have a useful pet out as well while the worg tags along. LOL
Lol, just when I thought it couldn’t get any funnier… “An American Werewolf in Paris” is on tv.
Mmmmm… la jolie Julie Delpy, c’est quoi le loup-garou?
I WANT ARAGA’S STRIPES BACK!!
=D
“I WANT ARAGA’S STRIPES BACK!!”
THIS. Seriously. She’s the one cat I truly love and they nerfed her stripes.
@428 That is really just rude and uncalled for. No one is going to be playing WoW forever. Something better will either come along or due to becoming old and bearing dated graphics, ect people will start to move on. Or omg here’s a concept, maybe some people just lost interest and moved on to other games. It happens.
To poke fun at these individuals who are leaving WoW is uncalled for. You don’t know the full reasons behind their actions. Perhaps they were becoming disenchanted with the game in general and this was the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.
Heh, Madia’s post on this page has me thinking, since Chris Metzen approves every single quest that goes into the game, his word will probably determine the fate of our currenty muzzled companions…
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18312417551&sid=1&pageNo=8
the entire worgen as a pet thing is dieing out =(
@ Diabhal 418
Ditto.
I say it again. Way to go Blizz. You fixed a smudge on the window with a hammer. Way to go.
Days late, 400+ comments down.
So, we all knew that taming a humanoid shaped pet wasn’t going to stick.
My suggestion for Bliz:
Make the worgen into a smaller sized non-combat pet. Delete all worgen “hunter pet” and replace with same model white wolf. Create a feat of strength achievement “Howling Moon” for those that managed the tame during those few days it was available.
@ Jimbo
So getting screwed over by Blizzard is a reason to mock someone for leaving? The only time I mock someone is when they claim they’re addicted and the only way they can ‘leave WoW’ is by burning their CD’s and deleting/selling their account.
That’s like setting fire to a booze shop. Only hurts you in the future.
There’s also the fact Blizzard blatantly didn’t care about hunters who did NOT try and tame Garwal as a worgen, but wanted a white worgen skin. Their PR should not basically be oh lolz ur punished 2. Go l2level a new pet olo.
They basically and blatantly show they don’t give a damn about the hunter comunity.
Cause yes what they did was a ‘quick fix’ but it seems it’s going to be the only fix imo :/
I understand the reactions, but come on.. when 20% of all hunters out there start walking with a worgen it is to be expected that blizzard takes some sort of action. a worgen pet is fun, but it does kind of ruin hunter image/lore if every hunter swaps his beast for a werewolf.
the hunter class is a tracker, a (wo)man of the wild, a friend of animals.
warlocks and deathknights work with dark/corrupted powers, not the hunters..
hate me or object all you want, but if you want dark powers in stead of natural ones, you shouldn’t play hunter in the first place.
if you want to control people in stead of beasts, reroll priest and go mind control a gnome.
I can get pretty angry when people say blizz doesn’t care about hunters.
they do, in fact they care a whole lot more than you people do.
all you do is complain about how they stole your ‘precious’, when in fact blizzard is trying to protect the class and it’s lore.
nowadays we have 5 slots, be happy that you get to keep a special/rp pet in one of them even when it is useless in combat. blizzard couldve taken the pet away from you completely, but in stead you still have it as a vanity pet.
‘I can get pretty angry when people say blizz doesn’t care about hunters.
they do, in fact they care a whole lot more than you people do.’
No they don’t. Last year, whole thread- or the year before actually. Confused myself, was a bit before the release of Wrath/announced release. There was this big thread full of suggestions to improve the hunter class. ALOT WERE GOOD.
Blizzard ignored the entire thread.
Blizzard then hurts other hunters, along with those ‘guilty’ of taming a missclassified pet. And instead of going oh lol our bad and letting us keep it, they remove it, when they have NOT removed ANY OTHER pets that were NEVER meant to be tamed [no do not bring up snakes because lol we got snakes as a family]
Garwal was basically a wolf with a worgen skin. He wasn’t a true worgen after taming, and Blizzard gets mad when Hunter’s found out lol Blizz did a goof because they never expected hunter’s to figure out a way to tame Garwal- like they probably never expected anyone to tame the black Warpie OR Ghost wolves.
Blizzard then shows they don’t care when instead of balancing classes out, they nerfbat to the extreme, claim oh lol we didn’t- then oops we did.
Do you remember the blue that tried to tell hunters, our lol, rotation was ARCANE AND AUTO SHOT. This was when GROWL was BROKEN. Blues/Devs/GM’s did NOT believe growl was broken untill lol someone actually got logs and threw it in their faces and the hunters claiming we were all lying about broken growl :/
‘all you do is complain about how they stole your ‘precious’, when in fact blizzard is trying to protect the class and it’s lore.’
LOL. NO. WRONG. I- and like others should, are complaining not that they stole it, but made it a worthless vanity pet I am not paranoid over taking out of my stable- they’re banning people on the forums. Will they start banning people ingame for having a useless vanity skinned ‘pet’? And actually no there’s no true ’set in stone lore’ about Worgens. It seems to differe based on what worgens you run into. Sure -we- might call them ‘humanoid’, but what about the world they came from, are they beasts? Are they men? In some myths it’s a wolf that infects a person- meaning some lycanthropes could be pure wolves, just infected by the disease.
Like vampire bats usually are never affected by rabies but can spread it.
Or am I confusing the bats with mosquitos.
But again, they didn’t take Garwal away, they broke him and shut up about it. They’re not saying at a later date we will reset all Garwal’s to wolves and fix those that have been tamed, but keep Garwal untameable.
‘nowadays we have 5 slots, be happy that you get to keep a special/rp pet in one of them even when it is useless in combat. blizzard couldve taken the pet away from you completely, but in stead you still have it as a vanity pet.’
Yeah ignore the fact normal worgs that were originally Garwal in wolf form are broken too..
I am now paranoid* attack of the random t.
From Mania’s post “Pet….Worgen?!” on July 4th, 2009.
“But … this also seems like the sort of thing that Blizzard may move quickly to fix — or fix retroactively. After all, we’re really not intended to tame humanoids. A ghost wolf is one thing … a werewolf who wear armor another. So until we hear official word, I’d be careful about getting too attached to your sexy new worgen.”
Yet here you all are, QQing to hell. It was never about the challenge to you. If you want a challenge, go tame King Krush. No, YOU wanted something you knew you were not supposed to have. So you showed up in droves at the Fjord and on the forums, louding your exploitative taming strategy.
QQ “unfair” moar. I suppose we can all can rest in the knowledge that if your crying held any merit whatsoever, Garwal would not have been taken away.
A Ghostwolf is no different than a Werewolf. A Slime is no different from a Werewolf. All are unintended tames. So would people stop trying to use other unintended tames as ‘lol there’s a difference between this and this lolol stop QQing’.
If you also read past the majority of the possible whining, you would see hunters who never tamed the ‘worgen form Garwal’ AT ALL. were punished.
And lol King Krush? I’ve never even seen his corpse- I’ve seen more Loque’s than KK. I doubting King Krush is -alive- anywhere on my server. And that doesn’t really help things, you’re just grouping us all up as whining over the worgen, and my complaint isn’t that they took it away.
ITS HOW THEY DID IT; broke Garwal for everyone, in every form apparently. Didn’t remove. Didn’t revert. Apparent forum banning/deleting on the wow forums. So what are we gonna now recive bans too?
This is the fact this is horrible PR- they’ve treated hunters badly in the past, like all classes, and they’re doing it again. This has evolved past ‘lol worgen’ to ‘lol draconian punishment’.
I mean really, how hard is it to remove the buff from the pets :/ or they could have just said ‘please release your worgens they are not intended tames’. No. They punished everyone :/
And now I feel bad because I’ve apparently hurt other hunters who tamed a wolf, not a worgen.
Ryai,
As already mentioned, sometimes this is the form fixes have to take. Blizzard may not have had an option.
Leaving the ability in was not an option. Causing hunters to lose that wolf skin, while annoying, is the lesser of two evils. It may not be permanent.
And don’t make up a strawman about whether all unintended tames are equal. Bloody hell, you know they aren’t. Taming a humanoid after he reverts out of beast form is not the same as taming a beast.
People can appeal to gameplay, to whatever classification Blizz gave him in game all you want, but it’s irrelevant. Blizzard don’t want humanoid hunter pets, and it makes little sense from a common sense perspective.
Cheer up. It’s a game, and there are many more hunter pets in the world to choose from.
Blizzard is one bunch of fucked up retards and incopetent drunks who can’t do anything right, it’s just a freaking game, why the hell should we not have fun in it? Because probably some developer got raped as kid in childhood and is picking now on players who go yay woot cool pet.
I pity those stupid blizzard stuff. That company should get burned down by angry mob that’s what i say.
I had to make another post to say im very sorry for swearing, but it could NOT be said differently (fight fire with fire), i hope you understand because blizzard does not grasp concept of game and having fun, that’s all.
I’m not so sure the allure of garwal was to have a “special, different pet”, but that werewolves are just plain cool. After blizzard made ghost wolf untamable, they were given to shamans. Maybe this whole blowup will show blizzard we, the wow community, think werewolves are neat and want to do more than kill them in duskwood. Its fairly possible that in an upcoming expansion there will be a worgen class, or more likely race, with a CD ability to transform your character into a worgen. Now that’d be fun. Perhaps something good will come of this down the road.
/facedesk
Congratulations! The hunter community has sunk to an all new low! Give yourselves a pat on the back. You have earned the achievement “Going down kicking and screaming”!
Look at yourselves for a moment, think about what you’ve been saying and check out what you have started. All arguments both for and against the worgen as a pet are now moot. Do you know why you aren’t getting them back and why we’re never going to have this sort of an opportunity again? Because every other post I see on these forums, the official WoW forums and any other public forum that you are allowed to post on is about how a company, which has been supplying a game that millions of players love to play, is a bunch of Nazi super terrorists that rape puppy dogs and send videos of them doing it to your grandmother before they go dancing under the full moon covered in maiden’s blood.
We could have made rational arguements about this, in fact we were at first. But the more Blizzard said “I’m sorry, but the worgen was never meant to be tamable”, the more pissed we got in return. Now we’ve started the virtual equivilent of a homicidal mob and it doesn’t look like it’s gonna stop. Blizzard has no idea how to handle something like this, a seething mass of mostly irrational anger. In desperation they started to ban and delete posts to try and quell the inciters, this only resulted in fueling the flames. Now what was once a rational, if heavily emotional, arguement has been turned into a lynching. Why should we get what we want if this is the way we treat the people who gave it to us in the first place.
Maybe I’m playing the devil’s advocate here, but damn it someone has to try and provide a counter point to this. Sure, they’ve made some poor decisions about this issue, but do they really deserve what we’ve been flinging at them over this? A hunter friend of mine who has the worgen is just so happy that he’s thill with her, so don’t assume that jsut ebcause you find him worhtless that all hunters do.
There’s also been some controvercy about GMs trying to delete worgens while they’re stabled. But how do we know this isn’t people just trying to stir up the pot? Have we seen screenshots of these supposed conversations, or are we just assuming some random person posting this up is instanly correct because Blizzard is being an asshole about this?
I have never been so angry with the hunter community as I am right now, and trust me it takes a hell of a lot to get me this worked up. Not that I expect this rant to actually do anything, I’ll probaly be flamed by fifteen different hunters because of this. For once, I’m so glad I’m not going to be able to play WoW or connect to the internet for a few days. If I see any more of this mindless rage, I think I’ll be forced to throw up.
Here’s something odd. My worgen is 5 stories tall… but it looks normal size to me. Instead, I get psts in SW constantly about OMG WHY IS YOUR PET SO BIG. So, if you start messing with the stables, get another players advice on your pets size… because being in AH with this guy makes people mad XD
How…unlucky…can you be…
Since last saturday where this was discovered…i have been trying to get it.
i had to leave 3 am to Italy, so i got up 1 am…no luck to tame, then i tried at the airport…failed getting connection, failed in the train too, could not find a new cafe in Italy, i come home hoping i can still get it and of course it becomes untameable just about when i get home…Juuuuust typical.
Please refrain from creating “petition” threads on the forums, as they generally don’t provide an avenue for the healthy discussion of an issue (although Palehoof has made some great points in this thread). We don’t make changes to the game based on a couple hundred “/signed” posts in a thread with under 1,000 views.
http://www.wowblues.com/us/petition-worgen-pets-restoration-18360838494.html
So uh…Petitions don’t seem to work… but they “kinda” look like they’re warming up to restoring?
What freedom is there in America if Blizzard is acting like the Chinese government. I should be allowed to state my position on my Garwal. It is freedom of speech. But I would understand because of the currently financial problems the yuppies that run blizzard at and average age of 45 needed cash and asked for a foreign investment.
All I am saying is this: let me state my position for as long as I want as long as I am not hurting anyone. My account has been frozen by me. When you have 45 year old men acting like kids and making decisions does not bold well for a company.
A better game will come out with better customer service and it will be out new community.
Garwal Fans: I cry for you and good luck playing a game that was a waste of time for me and money. I refuse to pay their pay checks Blizzards pay checks and let me be clear. I have nothing against them acting like the chinese government.
‘And don’t make up a strawman about whether all unintended tames are equal. Bloody hell, you know they aren’t. Taming a humanoid after he reverts out of beast form is not the same as taming a beast.’
Ghost wolf = dead.
Slime = unclassified.
Ghost wolf thought it was a wolf. Slime thinks it’s a crocolisk. Loki thought he was a wolf.
When someone starts playing with a double edged sword of ‘this pet is different from a werewolf for not being humanoid’ it kinda is stupid when like the slime, Loki thought he was a wolf [ok in slime's case it's a crocolisk].
So people shouldn’t whine after using CLEARLY NON INTENDED PETS FOR A BASIS OF LOL UR WRONG.
Once you start doing that -everyone- who has a retired pet is ‘in the wrong and under the knife’.
Do you see me whining and ranting and wanting Blizz to give us the worgen back? No. I just want them to actually try and fix this properly or atleast say wtf they’re gonna do.
And I’m serious do you know how scared I am to log onto my main? Some spiteful person could report me- or what if releasing loki flags a GM. Or something.
I mean when I decided to check wtf had happened exactly to Loki, I ran/flew to a secluded place, and used call stabled pet. I’ve never done that before :/
Well, it seems that most of the people that are still defending Blizzard on this are ignoring the fact that a lot of us don’t necessarily want the Worgen restored to the way it was 100%. We KNEW it was going to be fixed. We didn’t have a PROBLEM with the fact that it was going to be fixed. Untameable? Fine. Looking at this situation from a case-by-case perspective? Fine. Letting Hunters who already had it keep it? Fine. Breaking it, stealing it from stables, and banning people for even talking about it?……………….. Awful. This is PR at its worst. It seems like Blizz would be trying a little harder in that department since Blizzcon is coming up, but I guess typical business logic doesn’t apply here. I’ll grant that there are a lot of people in the player base that have acted like children. There are also a lot of us who have presented our displeasure with clear, concise, and civil points. Blizzard only encourages anti-social behavior from the player base by treating all of us the same way. Throwing the baby out with the bath water never solves anything, it just makes any given situation worse. And hey, look what’s happened. Are there players at fault here? Absolutely. Is Blizzard blameless in all of this? Absolutely not. And don’t try to say that I’m only saying these things because I have the pet and want to keep it, because that would be an incorrect assumption. I did the quest chain ages ago, so I had no shot at it. I do however feel (and maybe this is my ego talking) that I can look at things from an unbiased point of view.
Banning people for already talking about it? Did somebody get banned? :C
If anyone want a place to chat on the worgen without overloading Mania’s servers or the ban button striking…
http://save-the-worgens.deviantart.com/
Thank you, Deviant. I appreciate your kind offer. :>
I’m disappointed we lose the worgen. I knew we’d lose it, but it still is disappointing. But taming the werewolf and the time we had, well, I hadn’t that much and adreniline rush since retaming Rak’shiri 20 levels ago, who is still with me.
The person who said the worgen was a blessing in disguise, you’re right. It brought hunters together, no matter the faction, server, race, guild. It gave us hunters to strive for. It gave us hope that maybe they’l ldo something with the worgens. as an another person mentioned, isn’t it odd that they have idle animations, charge animation, run animation?
So, all in all, yeah, losing the worgen is bitter disappointment. But maybe, just maybe we can rise up and accept that there was some good in all of this.
-Fire
Okay, I’m lovin’ the Garwal Myspace page lol.
I think it’s unfair for Blizzard to just rip away this pet out of so many players who worked hard on taming him regardless of it being a glitch. Really, what’s the big fuggin’ deal? Fix the glitch, leave those with the pet Garwal alone.
Blizzard needs to start listening to their players demands. I’m referring to the reasonable demands. We are the PAYING customers after all. And I for one think if we want a Worgen, we should have a worgen dammit! Where’s my money going anyway? To continually buff Pallies while my Hunter gets treated like an old rag? I don’t even care about the worgen. I’m just sick of how Blizz runs this game.
I haven’t played WoW in about more than a month. And I will be canceling my subscription soon. The way Blizz disregards the wishes of their customers really bugs me. And all this Worgen nonsense is so silly and uncalled for.
I wonder if the stabling issue might be add on related, as it seems to be affecting a small percentage?
Ryai- Um, I hope the hiding thing was tonge in cheek.. lol.. you cant hide from a developer(or manager with Gamemaster Authority) in a game. They can port you to them or themselves to you at will.
After reading the collection of blue posts again I’m wondering if this wasn’t simply a panic fix that they will resolve on the next maintainance day.
I wouldn’t normally address a troll but this one is just too much..
Cy! Seriously? “let’s teach them that it’s just a friggin game… by using arson”
The complete lack of character displayed in those first four sentences is asstounding. Alchoholism, mental deficiency, and pedophilia as the driving forces behind this? And then Arson as the solution. Followed by that cowards retreat of an “apology”? Denied! You sir give this community and debate itself a foul taint. I would strongly advise seeking professional help for you rationale, it is not reasonable or acceptable by any stretch.
I am a firm believer in free speech and the passionate exchange of thoughts on hot topics, but this person goes too far imo. I would request that mania remove his post on the basis of suggesting criminal activity, I simply do not want to be associated or grouped in with his comments in any way shape or form.
Excuse me..Cpy is who I’m referring to.
Ryai, Ryai, Ryai, Ryai /sigh … Ryai.
you keep bringing up the same angry point.
“What about the people who tamed him as a White Worg?”
You can tame a level 80 white worgen if you’re not friendly or higher with Son’s of Hodir, they’re everywhere in Stormpeaks.
If your reputation with them is higher or above, you can open your reputation panel and select “At War” with them, to flag the Worgs as hostile so you can tame them. Job done for less that 10 minutes work.
“But but but i’m not level 80!!!”
Then go tame one of the many level 63+ White skinned Worgs around howling Fjord. They go all the way up to level 71.
That is not “punishment” not in the slightest, its an inconveniance at the most.
Blizzard doesn’t hate hunter’s. They don’t hate any class. Check any class forum in this game and you get the same old tired arguement “My class is broken, all other classes are over powered. I can’t beat class XXX”
Seriously if all people are going to do is cry that they’re class is broken the quit the game please. Hundred’s of thousands of other hunter’s are doing just fine. You’re lucky if 200 hunter’s actually comment on the forums and those that do just whine whine whine. The rest of the community gets on with playing the game they enjoy and the class they enjoy.
They’re not broke. They just don’t play the way you want them to play.
Ok before I get counter “QQ omg we are so broke” comments i’ll back up my comments. lets just see how bad the class is:
According to WoW Census, (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php) Deathknights make up 16% of the population across EU and US servers. (due to all the easy alts) Paladins are next at 13% (they can be 3 different roles and be very good at it, you get a free lowbie mount and you can move faster than most classes) then guess who’s 3rd at 12%…..Hunter’s!!! The broke class that Blizzard hate and are useless…
Lets have a look at the most popular 5v5 teams..
http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/team/5/all/all/all/all/
(2v2 isn’t balanced and neither is 3v3) OMG, out of the top 10 most common set ups you have 3 set ups that involve hunter’s.
Hmm what about the top 5 arena teams world wide in 5v5? Oh snap! 4 of them have hunters…
Well played hunter’s who don’t mash a steady shot macro that has all their cooldowns scripted in it, can top dps meters in 10 and 25 man. In the recent world first Yogg Saron kill with no watchers the 2 hunter’s were key to killing the boss.
I fully understand your anger at loosing a cool pet. You need to understand however that your rage is misplaced with your class.
Now look how low the hunter community has dropped to in this thread…
Slavery discussions?
Comparisions with the Chinese goverment?
Its dead simply, if you don’t like it, then stop playing. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to subscribe. If the be all and end all of you playing a hunter is because you could once tame a specific pet then i think its time to move on and perhaps try a new class or a new game.
Quite simply you’ve had something taken away from you that were not supposed to have. What has happened in the past doesn’t count as clearly Blizzard take each of these cases as they come and deal with them on an individual basis. Its impossible to just apply a blanket rulling across things like this.
Regarding everyone talking about the forums…
Open your eyes and read what the blues are telling you on the forums and read the forum rules. Its nasty rumors that and people who can’t read that are causing all the issues.
Here is the link to the EU forums guide
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=292921554&sid=1
Don’t spam. Spam is not only repeated posting, but also posting nonsense or annoying posts/threads. Examples of spam are:
Posting the same thread in multiple forums, including posting a thread to link to another thread.
Here is the US forums guide
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=82238231&sid=1
Petition posts are frowned on. This is a discussion forum. Petition threads do not contain much discussion instead, a petition is usually page after page of /signed. This is not constructive. If you have an issue with the game, please discuss it in a civil fashion. There are other places on the Internet to form online petitions.
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I understand that some players think they’re special and think that only their post should be recognised but how stupid can hunter’s be and how many stupid hunter’s need to make the same thread about the same issue and then be confused when they get action taken against them for not following the basic forum guidelines?
That’s why people are getting FORUM suspensions. For not following the FORUM GUIDELINES.
Once again the internet wins..
Someone posts something and you tell everyone about it before being intelligent enough to check it our for yourself and carry out some research.
Does anyone with the worgen still have dartols’ rod, and do you have a ss with you and your worgen?
@Taelrond
I still have Dartol’s Rod and Terror… did not think of a screenshot together like that. But I have it now. XD
“Imagine if you will, a world where Furbolg and Worgen get along and battle their enemies side by side…”
Sweet!
Firewing you’re absolutely right about Garwal. Exept for that last sentence. I play a tauren and I ended up helping three night elves, two blood elves, a tauren, a dwarf and a troll on their struggle for their worgen pet. It is a damn shame that we might lose the pet. I still have mine. He exists in the stables though he is still that werewolf that I tamed him as.
I still don’t see how having Garwal taken away have any good in it.
Even if I lose my werewolf, it’s still nice to see someone you helped out walking down the streets with the pet you helped them get.
I mean, really? You people are QQing about something you KNEW was an accident from the beginning, and that you KNEW was going to be hot-fixed.
I just don’t some people.
I’m still ROFLcoptering, personally. All this hoopla is better than a 3-ring circus.
No one KNEW what would happen with the pet, in the past so far the most common Blizz reaction was to lock the critter in question and allow those who tamed it to keep it. Which would be why i see ghost wolves, hydras, slimes, the queen wasp, and many other non tameable critters still loyal to their hunters. :P
I believe that’s what Zarhym was addressing when he said it’s not just a matter of being consistent, but that these cases have to be dealt with on a case by case basis.
According to one poster on the forums, the devs are still discussing this…
I think TamedWorgenGarwal will stay in his current gimped form until patch 3.2, at which point, the official decision will be implemented. “Official decision” meaning deletion or a fix.
That’s what they did with Gezzarak, anyway. Remember how gimped she was?
I meant that the history of how these pet situations have been handled in the past only shows that hunters had no way of knowing for sure that the pet would be deleted. People thought they would lose the others and didnt, so there is some sort of chance the pet will be allowed remain… however remote that chance may be. :P Wishful thinking never hurt anyone. LOL
Jenivieve, you’re right. There is still hope, but be prepared for disappointment anyway.
The poster on the forums I mentioned said he had entered a ticket and the GM told him the devs were still discussing it. As well they should.
More on Gezzarak… as a level 72 beaset, she was tameable when the level cap was raised, i.e. when Lich King was released in November. TamedGezz was fixed in January, and became untameable in the wild. Which meant we had a gimped pet for a month or two. :P
I just wish they would make up their minds or at least unbug it a little… my poor hunter is BM and I am afraid to stable that thing or let it take any hits, so my hunter is kinda useless. I have the pet mend glyph, so i can keep it happy, but with it not being able to be fed or named… what if I can not rez it if it dies, that would suck. :P
Just frustrating, but of course I will live. :)
If you want to keep your cool looking pet then go ahead, nothing is stoping you, they didnt take it away, you still have a cool looking pet to show off (which is what most ppl want to do with it), but.. it is now just for show, stop complaining, if you want a real pet you are free to abandon it and go get a wolf that actually works, i know your sad about not being able to raid/quest/whatever with your pet but you rlly need to get over it, you knew when you tamed it there was a chance you wouldnt get to keep it, thats just how it is, i rlly doubt anyone can make Blizz change it, just accept it and move on..
Isnt that what they call trolling? LOL
I am making the choice to not use it… I said it was frustating but not gonna kill me. Just is nice to be able to enjoy the game the way i want to. I have real pets, I am making the choice to wait awhile longer and see what comes of it. This is a place to bounce ideas and vent, not insult other players. But you are welcome to start a new thread just on that. LOL
He is trolling, there’s still a few kids watching this thread looking for yummy hunter tears. Like I said, I’m ROFLcoptering, not complaining… I have an excellent raiding pet that won’t grab aggro from the tank! :D
Oh by the way, I haven’t had any problems letting him die and rezzing him, that seems to be another commonly reported plus. Good you have the mend pet glyph, too.
First off i am a hunter, im not trolling wtf that is, i like to come to Petopia and read up on new things not to see 100 hunters QQing about a pet that got taken away (which we wernt supposed to have in the first place), im not tying to insult ppl, i would just like to see the hunter community move on, its just sad to see all these ppl worked up and claiming they will quit the game over a pet that they had less then a week (if im not mistaken), you dnt have to replay back saying “Im fine with it idk what your talking about” because im obviously not talking about you…
And Jeniveeve that comment was not to you, i was just glancing over all this and thought i would put my word in (not that anyone cares..), your comment just happened to be above mine, im srry if it offended you
im upset that the worgen is now officialy useless but hey, we still have him to show off. idk about anyone else here but i only saw like 2 other hunter with worgen on my server and they were on the other faction.
*salutes to Sunwing* Awesome name there. ;)
For those who have seen a while lot of worgen on their server…I’ve seen one worgen. And that was when I was skinning in Storm Peaks…(THe draenei was ding massive beat killing and wasn’t a skinner. Who am I to let that go to waste?)
And lastly, question. The worgen is unbuffable, but he has had MotW twice, thorns once, Kings, Crusaders Aura, and aspect of the wild. Is it he can be buffed, they just don’t do what they’re supposed to do?
-Fire
I went survival just so I could still put out decent dps while questing and still quest and stuff with my worgen. Stabling him doesn’t seem to make him disappear, I have a hunch the stabled ones that vanished had tickets up on em and the GMs deleted they pet once that person logged. GMs usually never know what the Devs stance is on a matter. So go ahead and stable him and use another pet if you are stuck in the BM rut, I just decided to switch specs and continue with my worgen fun while I have him. Rezzing mine is also fine, just make sure you have the Mend Pet Glyph.
As far as buffs, they seem to work fine on mine. I can feed him pet buff food, use scrolls on him, buff him with my druid, ectect… All Blizz did is declassify the worgen (and all garwal wolves) so they do not have talents or abilities that a normal wolf would have. Which also means even though my tooltip says he eats meat still, the Feed Pet spell does not register that and so they can not be fed. Bestial Wrath still worked on mine when I was BM, as well as Intimidation and Kill Command. Kill Command is useless though since he has no abilities, but hey… it worked.
I briefly scanned posts to check for replies and this caught my eye:
“What freedom is there in America if Blizzard is acting like the Chinese government.”
OH MY F*ING GOD, we have hit a new low.
you do realise that WoW is a game right? and that banning a player is not the same as real life torture and genocide?
I feel ashamed I play the same class as you, I will never read this specific topic again.
the worgen is gone, deal with it.
((sorry for tone of voice, I was simply shocked))
I figure the “Neutering” of Garwal was intended to push hunters to dump him on their own and reduce his numbers in society, but we will see once they finally make up their minds.
Being that it is non-replaceable, I am still a bit afraid to stable it or let it die. My hunter was never my main raid toon, sorry all I was cursed at being a good healer so I have two healing 80s instead, LOL. My hunter is now 73, with the exciting new pet making her more addictive than ever to play, but now she sits again as I am reluctant to solo quest with Garwal having no abilities or even growl. Not a qq fest, just a frustration as I do have other toons to play. :)
And so glad Petopia is back up, and I do notice “Petopia” is not in the name of the link to this site. Petopia oftens provides links to these forums to further support the hunter community and we love them for it. LONG LIVE GARWAL, PETOPIA, AND MANIASARCANIA! <3
I think we should start a pedtrition about the Worgens we have already tamed…. what about the hydra and slime did they break them NO! then why did they just go and break the worgen…. i say fix the worgens we have and just make sure that he can be tamed
we should threten Bliz about quiting!
now who is with me???!!!!
Slaught, if you’re going to post to the hunter community at large, don’t complain about who replies to you.
Um, you missed my point, completely.
Worgen are humanoids.
/endpoint
worgen are also part beast… more than i can say for a slime which is still a pet to some hunters… and my worg says “Wolf” clearly over its head so it knows what it wants to be… LOL
make everyone happy – just make a little worgen vanity pet…
And though I did tame the ghost wolf, (with full knowledge that it could be taken away), and I did tame a crocolisk-hydra, I was not surprised when they made those untameable. They were bugs, and Blizz was nice to let them stay in our stables – but they didn’t lose hteir abilities because they were already identified as “beasts” – they already fit in a already established pet class (wolf or crocolisk..even if misnamed hehe).
Worgen just doesn’t fit at all. So I don’t get the nerd rage OR the surprise. Worgen have never been an option for hunters. The fact that a mob was bugged doesn’t change that truth. So I didn’t lament that I’d done the quest and didn’t have access to the worgan – as much as I’ve always wished we could tame them – I KNEW this wouldn’t stay and that it wouldn’t stay as a regular pet. It doesn’t belong to any pet family – the game borkes itself trying to figure that out (hence the wierd ability/talent/feeding things). The fact that its still in your stable and can’t run away when its unhappy is a gift..
I fully expected them to be removed from stables, or at the very least turned into white wolfs heh.
But for anyone to be surprised…well that surprises me. Heh.
God, this really is the entitlement generation. I think anyone complaining about this needs to suck it up.
Hunters have never, ever had humanoid pets. They are no supposed to.
If there was a bug that let hunters tame Thrall, you can bet there would be some idiots whining about how it was removed upon discovery.
This is the same thing. Get over it.
I really don’t care what they are, I just think it’s hilarious Blizz is being so wishy washy about it.
I mean if they really didn’t want hunters to have them, why do we still have them? Take them away if we shouldn’t have them, no angst from me for that. They haven’t really made up their minds. The devs are still deliberating under their cone of silence.
3.2 is still weeks away, or we’d at least have a partial download of it by now. And guess what? Some of us still have worgens. Boo hoo and QQ.
Big.
Hairy.
Deal.
Its pretty obvious a slime is not a beast, and just because a hydra is mis-named does not make it more of a beast. Garwal was also a wolf, as so it states as his name tag when he was tamed. If hunters can tame a beast why could the possibility not exist that they could “befriend” a creature that is in fact part beast. There is lore everywhere about such creatures and some even has some being more beast than animal anyway, well maybe Garwal was one such creature. :P
Not like my world would be over if they change it into the full wolf form as disappointing as that would be. Just do it already instead of leaving those of us that still have him with a “neutered” version of a wolf creature. :P
But personally I think my cute little female draenei hunter and her worgen make quite the cute couple. LOL
I wouldn’t put it past an experienced female hunter to be able to tame a man, beast, or man-beast. LOL
Wow….A “Ghost” Hydra is considered a Beast? an Undead Beast maybe. A Slime is considered a Beast? Can Hunters tame moving Piles of Goo? So can I tame any Slime that I find in Dalaran’s Sewers or maybe in Naxx? Slimes are Elementals, the One that was Tameable was not only a Elemental, it was a Darn Undead ghost. You call all that mucus in everyone’s nose a Beast? Lol. So I guess Hunter’s can tame Spirits without taking away it’s abilites, because Hunters with Ghosts was totally in the lore right?
Koriani: Why is it that a Spiritual Wolf is considered a Wolf? Hydra’s are un-tameable Beasts at the least, if the one in SB was tameable for a short time, do you think all Hydra’s should be tameable? What was wrong with a Worgen that was transformed from a Wolf to have Wolf Abilities? If a Human were to build enough Muscle and or change the way he is by appearance, should you say he’s a Diffrent Race?
The Wolf pack Leader that gave you the Alpha Worg quest could speak and he wasn’t a Worgen. The Two Bears in Grizzily Hills could speak, but only because they were the Off-spring of a Bear god. Should Loque’nahak be un-tameable then since he’s the mate of ANOTHER Beast that could Talk, and give you quests in Zul’Drak?
Many of you Bashers just don’t get the point any of us are TRYING to make. All you see is QQ that you should say “Get over it, shut up.” How about if another class gets a bug that made the Class more fun, Blizzard Hotfixed it, they ask Bliz to re-consider. Are you going to just say “Oh I feel bad for you guys, I’ll support you, even if it doesn’t give the class any advantages over mine.” NO, you just make them seem like the bad guys here.
Korzak: That’s just a a really poor Example. Can Worgen’s make an entire CITY or rule an entire FACTION? No, they can make little village’s though, but Raptors can also make structures, they can build small structures or nests out of Bones, they once joined forces with a race to take down both their Enemies in a WAR, so I guess they should be un-tameable too.
RP Wise: Would if you found a Worgen who hated Humans to death, you both found the same Enemy, and joined forces to take down the Alliance? And that Worgen was pretty much an outcast. (But that is really just a Horde-side story.)
Don’t tell me Worgen are going to be a Race, because all the arguements about ‘Worgens being to evil killing machines’ would be proven wrong. But it wouldn’t matter anyway since Blizzard would then have a REAL REASON to not allow hunters have a Working Worgen pet; So Hunter’s wanting the Worgen’s Abilities back would win over an arguement, but then lose the ENTIRE arguement to give the Worgen’s abilities back since you were able to become friendly with a race.
A few more things,You bashers argue that we should just Shut up alrighty with the Worgen. But then why bother to make a Post anywhere on the WoW Forums or any WoW related site Thanking Blizzard for doing this Awful action to keep everyone happy. All you are doing is advancing the Topic and Arguement even futher, then to shut down the Arguement completely that you were ‘trying’ to do in the first place.
Second, you Bashers argue that the ‘Save the Worgen’s usefulness’ Hunters are using the same arguements, then how come I keep seeing ‘It’s a Humanoid,It’s Slavery, it’s Lore breaking.” You bring up the same Arguements we do so you arn’t proving anything.
Third, How is that Slavery? You want to call sending a Hunter Pet to die in a BG or risk it’s life for you isn’t Animal Cruelty? Stupid Arguement. Animal Crueity or keeping an organism against it’s will is a verson of Slavery and abuse, so I guess Hunter’s shouldn’t have Pets altogether.
Finally, How is it that a Spirit or an Elemental any Diffrent from a Humanoid? Because they don’t walk on two feet? If Taming a Bugged Spirit is ok and you could keep it as a WORKING pet, I guess keeping a working bugged pet ‘Humanoid’ is a No No. How is it Lore-breaking to have a not-useless Worgen as a Hunter pet when it is NOT Lore-breaking to have a Useless one that can only Melee swing in Combat? It means Blizzard isn’t done with him that’s for sure.
The only reason why it looks like Blizzard has stolen your Worgen is because since they removed the Wolf abilities from the Worgen, the Wolf family tree symbol doesn’t show up on the screen, but he is still there, just switch a Pet with the empty Space and bingo! It hasn’t happened to my Worgen yet, but my friend showed me on his Computer on how to fix that problem with his Hunter’s Worgen, so it does work.
Nice covering everything at once Johnny… lol =0)
But I think I pretty much agree with all of it, so yeah, what he said. LOL
well Worgen as a race would be pretty awesome, just imagine, Worgen Deathknights…..but at any rate, i think its perfectly fair that they made it untameable, seeing as it was never ment to be tameable in the first place, saying that u may quit WoW because of this, or that blizz is stupid, is kind of going off the deep end. it would be cool to have a werewolf for a pet i admit, but personaly i had already done the quest. anyways, i would have been very suprised if they had let this stay a “pet”, im still keeping my fingers crossed for Spirit beast Raptors and Rhinos, oooooo, spirit beast devilsaur would be EPIC, anyways ive had my say.
i don’t think people can make the slavery argument here. If warlocks can have those gross slutty undead girls and all their pets that speak about how much they hate their master and that shackle move to force enemy demons to their side I doubt having a worgen tamed would be any worse a crime.
Saying its fair because it was never meant to be tameable would force blizzard to go back on all pets that are still owned by hunters that were never “meant” to be tamed, like the before mentioned slimes, hydra, ghost wolf, as well as a handful of other creature variations. The usual appropriate fix is to let those caught stay as pets and lock the npc from future taming. Although in this case I would understand reverting it to its wolf form, as disappointing as that would be. :P
Just still twiddling my thumbs waiting for them to change the form back, delete it all together, or let us keep it… but a useless hunter pet… thats just cruel. :P
Lets get one thing straight and remember this post. Blizzard will be no longer past 2013 they will file BK. Their net income was a whopping negative on Dec 08. The lost 3xs more money than what they made in March 03. Well, keep it up Blizzwannebe lord. You will run out of cash cause no one wants to play ur game anymore.
Insiders sold 72.000.000 million shares. Institutions sales changed by 15 percent. Well, guess what, the 45 year olds that run the company and don’t now customer service skills better start looking for another job soon.
It is just not about Garwal, but the worgen pet is a representation of their thought process and it is not looking good when you look at their books and balance sheet. It was not be such a bad decision if they sold out to the Chinese government given that they think alike….
They made a big mistake on the Worgen decision and hope they do fix some bugs with it for players that have it, gratz to them.
Players outsmarted them that is all, no exploit there. They just need to face the music and hire smarter people with some customer service skills.
You heard it here first. Blizzard no longer in 2013. I give it a couple of years just because some people will not be smart enought to leave the game just now.
Ah well done blizz, i commend you on fixing this atrocity among hunter pets, i am a hunter and tamed one for the sheer challenge but then realesed it. It is an intelligent HUMANoid and thus should not be tamed by us…our pet specific tree is called BEASTmastery rather than HUMANOIDmastery.
Many skins have both human and beast forms, types, representations in the game. How does a motorcycle fit into lore? Lore is not the issue. The issue is control freaks.
Oh noes BlizzardSnake… might as well not bother with Diablo, Starcraft, and the 2 upcoming IPs they’re developing because, well, they’re sure to be worthelss and profitless, correct?
Well I’m speaking to a blizzard employee right now, in-game, a GM and according to him the issue with the worgen being in game has NOTHING to do with morals and slavery. It turns out the worgen WAS actually a bit stronger than most pets and supposedly had a unique ability…besides the cool skin. The employee says, his opinion on why there is such a big fuss is pretty much just because of how it looks. :P
Allaisia [GM]: I want one.
They say that he had a special ability = well, why dont you spell it out and what was it. The Hydra has more health than any ingame pet and thus stayed and was not removed because it was classified an animal. The can very easy make the Worgen a wolf/wolf like talents.
I will not play Starcrap and they can sleep with their Diablo too. This is it for me and I would rather give me money away than give it to Wow.
With their revenues on the decline they should be careful with the decisions that they make if they want to survive a couple more years.
I guess there is little hope that something can still be done given its size. But when you are dealing with brainless peeps nothing can be a surprise.
BlizzardSnake… if you’re leaving, then don’t post here since you have nothing useful left to contribute but your own bitterness, gloom and doom.
Derogatory comments about Blizzard’s other IPs? Oh yeah, them grapes are sour anyawy.
So… back to our gimped worgen:
When he levels, he reverts to 5k health until you have him die and res him again (back to 11+K health)
He appears to “inherit” the stats and DPS of your previously summoned pet. When you bring up the pet info screen, it will say whether it thinks he’s a cat, warp stalker, whatever the last pet you had out was.
hey when i check my worgens stats it says he does about 655 damage, while my other lv80 pets do about 400 damage. and my worgen is lv 76. whats up with that?
What’s up with that is that Blizzard has done this as a temporary fix, but it hasn’t stopped certain devs from acting like jerks about the whole thing. They’ll do something a bit more permanent on Tuesday or maybe a little ways down the line, but for now I guess Hunters get to have fun with a pet that is the avatar of stat chaos.
All of this nonsense could’ve been avoided if they simply told people what they were/are planning to do.
He never had any special ability, he had normal wolf abilities. Blizz is nuts.
I Agree with you Snuzzled. Also Gelannerai, I think the “Jerk” Statement is a bit harsh. There was a General Forum Thread about it and a Bliz member answered. But of course they wouldn’t tell you everything about what they were going to do.
Since when did Blizzard do that anyway, Besides Beta, PTR, or Patch Notes? Besides, the posts near the start of the post were child-ish alrighty..When the Blizzard Member showed up it turned into: “MAKE HIM USEFULL AND DON’T LISTEN TO THESE QQers WHO JUST WANT TO RUIN OUR FUN!” Of course the Blizzard member had to carefully word out his Response to those posts..Lol.
Agravaine: I know you said “If” But still, it’s a little unfair to assume he would be quitting WoW if he’s just giving his Opinion on things. I’ll have to agree with him on the “I’d rather give my money away than give it to WoW” I’m not saying I’ll quit WoW. Hell no, I’m just saying why pay 100$ bucks a month if you get poor customer service?
Now now, I know it’s a bit Much to say: Poor Customer service, but let’s face the truth here. Blizzard hotfixed this guy all in one morning, took them two days to do it. They did it without giving us a reason why before they did it. Has Blizzard EVER givin’ a fix on any other bug that REALLY DOES EFFECT OUR GAMEPLAY, so fast? When Hunters asked why, all we got was “It was not Intended” The same could be said about the other Pets that you so kindly left alone to those who alrighty tamed them.
Natty: I am very happy with you right now, know why? Because it gives us a sign that Blizzard is still thinking it over. If a Pet did alot more damage then normal pets, of course they’d take away it’s usefulness before they get more whining from other players saying that it’s OP when they alrighty have to deal with Arguements over the Worgen as it is. Maybe they are going to return the Wolf Abilities to the Worgen pet once again after they’ve returned the Damage back to a normal wolf for the Worgen, who knows.
100$ bucks a year*
Here are Garwal’s abilities while untamed:
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=24277#abilities
Rend and Swipe we already have on existing pets. I don’t believe I saw anything about “Gnaw Bone” or “Wide Swipe” in his pet abilities page or my combat log before the hotfix, though.
Gnaw Bone has an interesting effect, kind of an improved wing clip or cripple:
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50046
Wide Swipe is an instant, 5-second stun. I don’t remember him ever using that… but could that be it?
Not that we’re likely to ever get them on him at this point… but I wonder if anyone noticed.
People not to stop using the “humanoid” complaint. Tell me, where does the slime fit in to the beast scheme of things… we do not specialize in slime mastery, or bug mastery, hydra mastery? C’mon now, just think back to how they made those fit in with what was already allowed. If we can have croco-slime, why not a sometimes upright walking wolf? We have dialogue with many in game creatures during quests, and hoonestly any one with pets irl knows that some animals are smarter than others and it does make them more human, just more intelligent animals. And there are plenty of upright walking hunter pets already.
Just make it appear like a regular wolf or un-neuter it already since I am sure handfuls have been abandoned or lost by now. I don’t see many out and about anymore. Either way, Blizz just needs to make up their minds already.
misfortune, that is awesome. i love that idea, worgen and pandaren as playable races would own. i would like a worgen shaman or somthing =)
Agravaine I am not complaining about who replays to me, just saying it doesnt make a whole lot of sense for ppl who seem to be fine with the whole thing to argue with me when im talking about the ppl who are acting like it the end of the world and claiming they will quit the game…
You buy service because its good service and superior to other products. Blizzard made the wrong choice here on the Worgen/Garwal. It was tamed by hunters and some might have released em already. I had the Hydra = great tanking pet but I did not like the noise that it made so I let it go. I prefer a wolf and it does not have to have special abilities but the fact that they gave no clear sign of what is going to happen is plain wrong.
When Pallys where OP and Hunter had ES which was OP they did not jump at the HOTFIX.
When DKS were OP they did not HOTFIX them right away.
I just think that their customer service has gone south of the border or its it more aligned with the decisions of a Communist Regime. If they make a claim then back it up but if they are found to have no foundation for it then let us argue the case.
I have more than 80k gold which is not much but it is the principal and they don’t deserve my time or dime. Good Luck to you the play the game but the end will be near.
Just think about why you shop or use certain products or return to certain stores. It is because of the superior product or great customer service which sadly Blizzard once had but no longer exists. Cheers to all hunter and players alike.
would i still be able to level this guy to 80 or he doesnt even attack at all?
Anyone who bothered to tame it knew it was going to happen. Worgens are humanoids and therefore shouldn’t even be pets. I levelled my brothers hunter to 71 to get it just in case they let you keep it.
The fact is you all knew it was going to happen, stop crying and move on.
And yeah I own a ghost wolf.
Slaught: point taken, thanks for clarifying. Actually, I agree.
BlizzardSnake: arent pallies and dks still OP? Okay, maybe not literally, but it still feels like they’re the rock to my scissors.
I agree that their customer service isn’t what it used to be, but I can’t take you seriously if this and inside trading is your basis for their going bankrupt in 3 years? Doubtful. Blizzard does know that WoW is going to age and die eventally, Rob Pardo has said so publicly. Perhaps that’s why their CSRs have been getting a bit… cavalier. It’s not like teir management lacks foresight. Their management consultants are the best — I should know, I worked for them.
I will remember you said so if they do go bankrupt, though of course as a fan I’d be happier if they didn’t. However that goes, I hope you’ll find something worth your while.
As for the 4 other Blizz IPs, even if you yourself aren’t going to touch them, they are forces unto themselves, whose existing playerbases have as much, if not more contempt for WoW, as you. Forces that shouldn’t be dismissed lightly.
itzzmlgkaiser: you can level him to 80, he does attack on command. He just doesn’t have any talents or abilities other than a regular attack.
Holy cow… stop saying that hunters knew it would happen, that such a lie and we all know it. How could we know that an odd looking thing that was a challenging tame would not be allowed to be kept intact when hunters were allowed to keep such things as the ghost wolf, hydra, slime, wasp queen, and others. We usually assume that if it totally not intended then it would totally NOT be possible to tame. We tamed it, it functioned like a pet, acted like a wolf, and was therefore considered by most if not all who tamed it to be a unique skinned “WOLF” just like its tamed name suggested. Just restore it no matter what appearance they decide they want it to have.
I apologize for doing this to you, everyone, but I am currently unable to keep up with this comment thread. I’ve cleaned up a few comments that violated the comment policy here, but I don’t feel that I can keep up with incoming comments and so I am shutting down comments on this post.
I will do my best to post again if I hear any new information on the situation with the worgen. Again, you have my sincere apologies for being unable to keep up with you. :>