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		<title>By: Drina</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/03/18/ptr-31-build-9704/comment-page-4/#comment-39420</link>
		<dc:creator>Drina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dweezil

The Ice gear is great for stam but is a dps nerf.  I have a full set stacked with Stam gems.
So far on the ptr without much pvp gear or tanking items I can get my semi buffed pet to around 26k health and me to about 29k.  With more gear I have worked out it can be up to around 33k+ and thats not using BiS.

Pets will NEVER be decent tanks, even with the health/mitigation, for the following reasons
(a) Long Taunt cd
(b) Poor target control
(c) Lack of controlled/positioning movement
Unless of course you are using Eyes of the Beast to control it.
It would be fine for static fights but ones where the tank repositions or moves would be impossible if the hunter was still active.

However Pets would make great Off Tanks for raiding and possibly Main Tanks for instances.

One other suggestion to make them tank is to change Eyes of the Beast so the hunter phases out and takes control of the pet without a timer.  However if the pet dies then so does the hunter.
Or as I have mentioned in other threads they create a Pet Merge talent where we become a Werebear/Weretiger to tank or melee dps.   Solves pet death problems on pet unfriendly bosses and gives us an alternate role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dweezil</p>
<p>The Ice gear is great for stam but is a dps nerf.  I have a full set stacked with Stam gems.<br />
So far on the ptr without much pvp gear or tanking items I can get my semi buffed pet to around 26k health and me to about 29k.  With more gear I have worked out it can be up to around 33k+ and thats not using BiS.</p>
<p>Pets will NEVER be decent tanks, even with the health/mitigation, for the following reasons<br />
(a) Long Taunt cd<br />
(b) Poor target control<br />
(c) Lack of controlled/positioning movement<br />
Unless of course you are using Eyes of the Beast to control it.<br />
It would be fine for static fights but ones where the tank repositions or moves would be impossible if the hunter was still active.</p>
<p>However Pets would make great Off Tanks for raiding and possibly Main Tanks for instances.</p>
<p>One other suggestion to make them tank is to change Eyes of the Beast so the hunter phases out and takes control of the pet without a timer.  However if the pet dies then so does the hunter.<br />
Or as I have mentioned in other threads they create a Pet Merge talent where we become a Werebear/Weretiger to tank or melee dps.   Solves pet death problems on pet unfriendly bosses and gives us an alternate role.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/03/18/ptr-31-build-9704/comment-page-4/#comment-39408</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably would be the same warrior that tried to tank our ring of blood group while being fury/arms specced and BLAMING THE HEALER FOR IT LOSING AGGRO.

At the time Alice was able to out aggro the bosses, and ofc get squashed and all she was doing was scree scree scree...

/facepalm

Luckily when that idiot left a VERY NICE DROOD CAME TO HELP US :D

luvbaredrood.

And Palla, if you&#039;re remembering right .. well .. holy .. holy crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably would be the same warrior that tried to tank our ring of blood group while being fury/arms specced and BLAMING THE HEALER FOR IT LOSING AGGRO.</p>
<p>At the time Alice was able to out aggro the bosses, and ofc get squashed and all she was doing was scree scree scree&#8230;</p>
<p>/facepalm</p>
<p>Luckily when that idiot left a VERY NICE DROOD CAME TO HELP US :D</p>
<p>luvbaredrood.</p>
<p>And Palla, if you&#8217;re remembering right .. well .. holy .. holy crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Saranette</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/03/18/ptr-31-build-9704/comment-page-4/#comment-39405</link>
		<dc:creator>Saranette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>html broke the tags. oops!

&quot;yeah would you like my IMPORTANT WARRIOR ABILITY AND PLATE MAIL too?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>html broke the tags. oops!</p>
<p>&#8220;yeah would you like my IMPORTANT WARRIOR ABILITY AND PLATE MAIL too?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Saranette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saranette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why hunter/lock pet tanking should be frowned upon. I mean, I would assume it takes a very odd or spicific build and gear that would be unconventional at best. It&#039;s not like they would put tanking classes out of the job, it&#039;s too exotic to even be flavor of the month.

-ohhh but once the warrior kiddies get word of it and start in with the &quot;yeah would you like my  too? huntard L2P.  please.  to the ground!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why hunter/lock pet tanking should be frowned upon. I mean, I would assume it takes a very odd or spicific build and gear that would be unconventional at best. It&#8217;s not like they would put tanking classes out of the job, it&#8217;s too exotic to even be flavor of the month.</p>
<p>-ohhh but once the warrior kiddies get word of it and start in with the &#8220;yeah would you like my  too? huntard L2P.  please.  to the ground!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Palladiamors</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/03/18/ptr-31-build-9704/comment-page-4/#comment-39396</link>
		<dc:creator>Palladiamors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember right, IF, then because of various buffs and gear the voidy had 65,000 hit points or so, and everyone just sort of ran with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember right, IF, then because of various buffs and gear the voidy had 65,000 hit points or so, and everyone just sort of ran with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit: btw Palla;

&#039;The problem is that recently a void walker tanked down Saphiron, and Blizzard IMMEDIATELY NERFED THEM&#039;

How the hell did they manage that? Whenever I use my VW I almost always pull aggro- affliction or demo D:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit: btw Palla;</p>
<p>&#8216;The problem is that recently a void walker tanked down Saphiron, and Blizzard IMMEDIATELY NERFED THEM&#8217;</p>
<p>How the hell did they manage that? Whenever I use my VW I almost always pull aggro- affliction or demo D:</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Course that brings up all sorts of targetting not funness, like potentially not being able to target pets for nessecary things like healing.&#039;

Or maybe pets only recive 50% of a buff- so the pet still double dips but not as insanely as I would love pets to still be able to be healed Palla :c

Cause mean not every time can you get a VoA group with like 7 blood DKs and oh my god the healing buff aura thing of theres, I got hit by that rock shard aoe even tho I strifed to get away and a shaman was going to heal me but I had already recovered from the damage I had, thanks to the aura and life bloom.

@ Rikaku: Wasn&#039;t there a boss for one of the newer FF games that was/is like invincable? I heard that some people tried for 24+ hours before they finally had to give in as they were literally getting sick.

Also;

&#039;I could see the entrapment nerf being of concern to BM hunters looking for another snare option since improved wing clip being being removed…&#039;

Ignore the fact it was an SV talent :D

and you know not BM

... what the hell does blizzard smoke sometimes? O_o

And er yay five minute hunter mark ... not like it really is that troublesome to cast ... talented or not. I heard Feral/Fairy fire or whatever the armor reduction talent of droods got changed like that too or something so not really surprised.

Tho tbh this feels more like a hotfix change than something to be tinkering with now :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Course that brings up all sorts of targetting not funness, like potentially not being able to target pets for nessecary things like healing.&#8217;</p>
<p>Or maybe pets only recive 50% of a buff- so the pet still double dips but not as insanely as I would love pets to still be able to be healed Palla :c</p>
<p>Cause mean not every time can you get a VoA group with like 7 blood DKs and oh my god the healing buff aura thing of theres, I got hit by that rock shard aoe even tho I strifed to get away and a shaman was going to heal me but I had already recovered from the damage I had, thanks to the aura and life bloom.</p>
<p>@ Rikaku: Wasn&#8217;t there a boss for one of the newer FF games that was/is like invincable? I heard that some people tried for 24+ hours before they finally had to give in as they were literally getting sick.</p>
<p>Also;</p>
<p>&#8216;I could see the entrapment nerf being of concern to BM hunters looking for another snare option since improved wing clip being being removed…&#8217;</p>
<p>Ignore the fact it was an SV talent :D</p>
<p>and you know not BM</p>
<p>&#8230; what the hell does blizzard smoke sometimes? O_o</p>
<p>And er yay five minute hunter mark &#8230; not like it really is that troublesome to cast &#8230; talented or not. I heard Feral/Fairy fire or whatever the armor reduction talent of droods got changed like that too or something so not really surprised.</p>
<p>Tho tbh this feels more like a hotfix change than something to be tinkering with now :/</p>
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		<title>By: Dweezill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dweezill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got home from work, and nothig really new to say... but I do wanna thank everybody for the imput they have given me. i do appreciate it. Keep it coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got home from work, and nothig really new to say&#8230; but I do wanna thank everybody for the imput they have given me. i do appreciate it. Keep it coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Rikaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rikaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saranette: Don&#039;t remind me of FFXI. I hated those almost 2 hour long boss fights. Not to mention the one 24hr boss fight. I love life too much to devote hours to one boss that doesn&#039;t figure in wipes. XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saranette: Don&#8217;t remind me of FFXI. I hated those almost 2 hour long boss fights. Not to mention the one 24hr boss fight. I love life too much to devote hours to one boss that doesn&#8217;t figure in wipes. XD</p>
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		<title>By: NanoTrev</title>
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		<dc:creator>NanoTrev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit.

Yes, there are things to improve, but the new patch looks fairly promising.</description>
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<p>Yes, there are things to improve, but the new patch looks fairly promising.</p>
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