PTR 3.1 – Build 9684 Patch Notes
The Public Test Realms for Patch 3.1 have been updated again (to build 9684) — and the official patch notes too have been updated. So let’s see what we’ve got that’s new …
Keep in mind that I am trying to just list the changes to the notes, so you should really take a look at the full Patch 3.1 notes when you have a chance. On the other hand, we’re still in the PTR phase and everything can still change!
Hunters
- Talents – Marksmanship
- Concussive Barrage redesigned: 2-point talent. Now causes your Multi-Shot and Chimera Shot to have a 50/100% chance to daze the target for 4 seconds.
- Efficiency: Increased to 3/6/9/12/15% up from 2/4/6/8/10%.
- Silencing Shot: No longer on the global cooldown.
- Talents – Survival
- Entrapment redesigned: When your Frost Trap, Immolation Trap, Explosive Trap and Snake Trap are triggered, you entrap all afflicted targets, preventing them from moving for 2/4/6 seconds.
- T.N.T.: Gives your Explosive Shot a 33/66/100% chance to refresh the duration of your Immolation Trap effect on the target.
- Trap Mastery: This talent has been moved up to tier-2, up from tier-9, and is now a 3-point talent.
- Glyphs
- Glyph of Aimed Shot: Now reduces cooldown by 2 seconds.
- Glyph of the Monkey: This glyph has been converted to Glyph of Mending, which increases the healing done by Mend Pet by 40%.
- Glyph of Snake Trap: Now reduces damage taken by snakes from area damage by 90%.
- Glyph of Wyvern Sting: Now reduces the cooldown by 6 seconds, down from 15 seconds. No longer reduces the damage done by Wyvern Sting’s effect.
And while we’re here, a few Blizzard posts I wanted to mention:
Dresorull says that ammo won’t be changing to sell in stacks of 1000 with Patch 3.1, so you’ll have to buy it and stack it yourself.
And Eyonix says that he will bring up the discrepancy between the Call Stabled Pet cooldown and the (lack of) dual spec switching cooldown with the developers, although he’s “not sure if it’s going to be seen as a concern”.
169 Comments
*sigh* so nothing on BM being fixed to it’s good ol self?
BM’s “good ol self” was overpowered. It was THE spec for solo PvE, PvP, instancing and raiding. Blizzard wants all 3 specs to be somewhat similar in damage, and that’s what they’re trying to do. Don’t expect BM to blow everything out of the water again.
So it’s better that Survival wins in all four categories instead of BM…?
BM is still at least 10% behind SV at the moment, that’s not exactly balanced… and the old BM wasn’t so much as overpowered as the other specs were underpowered…
Shinryu:
I agree, and I don’t want to go back to those days, I want to see everyone play whatever they want =)
But BM is underpowered now even on the PTR. 3 builds ago they said they were pleased with BM; BM and SV were both competitive with each other (SV was still better, but not so much so where you HAD to be SV). Then a bug happens and instead of fixing this bug, they nerf BM. Every build after that Blue post has been nerfing BM stealthily. So we’re back in the boat where BM is just good for leveling, SV is still powerful and bloated, and MM just feels clunky but it’s getting better.
Honestly, seems like Blizzard is breaking hunters more and more as these builds go on =/
sigh, im afraid i’ll have to go BM/mm come patch for raid dps… fortunately i still manage to pull off 2.4 – 2.6k in 10 mans as BM as a non frequent raider so it isnt bad ATM, but will be poor for anything but heroics and soloing at most…. =(
I don’t want to blow anything out of the water. I don’t want to be overpowered- to be honest, not knowing the truth I thought all the trees were equal, but that BM was better as an overall specc because I could hide as my pet eats faces.
I can still do this on Rosalyn, I hide as I let Dante eat warriors who are to stupid to run away- granted this is still lv 60 pvp, and granted the only op classes atm in that bracket are twink retris and twink dks .. and they hurt everything.
But what I do want is more viability after lv 60. And lv 70. At level 80 that’s when everything goes pear shaped and all a sudden I’m not good for pvp anymore. I’m not good for dpsing in instances anymore. No. What am I good for? Soloing PVE and there are SOME people actually saying THATS GOOD! now stfu and roll SV!
… so what happens when they nerf SV for being to powerful? I mean it- there’s PVE talents, there’s PVP talents, there’s talents that work for BOTH PVP and PVE now, and what does BM get? Intimidate. Disengage. Traps that break or are resisted, and a broken detterence- not that Disengage isn’t a bit wonky now. I mean use it wrongly in the wrong place and you get the [Backflip into the void!] Achivement.
Go read GU comics if you don’t get the joke.
So nice that Blizzard says ‘It’s not the specc it’s the people!’ yet allows people who don’t even know the class to assume if you’re not SV you better roll on home! Cause you can’t do crap!
Is this how it felt in vanilla WoW? Roll MM or go home?
Cause this sucks :/
Edit:
‘Glyph of the Monkey: This glyph has been converted to Glyph of Mending, which increases the healing done by Mend Pet by 40%’
WHAT ABOUT BROKEN MEND PET GLYPH :/ it doesn’t give happiness if you have imp mend pet! Is this why? Is mend pet glyph being taken out?
God. Just sometimes. Blizzard makes me qq to much.
When BM got nerfed, I decided to be a -rebel- and go MM. Right now, I’m about on par with the SV hunter I normally raid with (when my DPS isn’t being butchered by lag, anyway). On 10-man Maly attempts the other day, with little lag, we were consistently swapping the top two DPSs spots, and while he beat me out more often, I did leave him behind a few times. We have more or less the same gear, though he has a better bow and runs with a black BC raptor, while I prefer to raid with my white-striped black kitty.
I -like- to think this means I’m doing ok in competing with an OP spec, and that I can point at the logs when someone tells me to go SV or GTFO (which doesn’t happen to me often, thankfully). Personally, I just like MM the best for raiding – I’ll take magic poison-refreshing arrows over exploding ones any day of the week.
ryai, why would you use Mend Pet for happiness with a talent in each tree that gives it to you? Only the one in the cunning tree is not worth getting, and if you’re using cunning you’re most likely a pvp:er and thus get happiness for free at the graveyard.
I have to agree with Ryai on some points. I feel as if the patches that are coming out lately are looking like its reaching a point in where its back to vanilla WoW and you have to be pigeonholed into one spec for the specific reason/purpose (be it guild or otherwise) — I know dual spec somehow alleviates that, but I feel as if I do not see the “proper balancing” blizzard often spouts nowadays with some of these changes and none of the much needed fixes we have been qq-ing about have been completely addressed. Sure, its nice they introduce a lot of new things, but when it breaks some of the “older” stuff – they ignore it and call it something else — like say its working “as intended” when the fact some of them aren’t are staring at them in the face in the same blatant way when you’re faced with a huge semi bearing down on you at ramming speed.
Then they go and give you a different solution instead, and sometimes forget about the original problem. Sometimes the changes even cause more problems than the original ones.
Turning Glyph of the Monkey into Glyph of Mending is a good example of this….. they could have easily just fixed Glyph of Mend Pend to simply add MORE healing instead…. c’mon, two simple words in the whole thing: Glyph of “Mend Pet” – no brainer….. this shows obvious laziness on their part… pet happiness is not an issue unless you’re actually lazy enough to never feed it, never had a problem with it myself even in the vanilla days… didn’t use feed-o-matic then, still don’t now.
Nordh- Im speaking for myself here but when I use it MP for happiness its after I tame a new pet and dont have the right type of food or dont want to fight something just for it to gain happiness. It with AotV is just a simple Happiness gain for downtime.
‘ryai, why would you use Mend Pet for happiness with a talent in each tree that gives it to you? Only the one in the cunning tree is not worth getting, and if you’re using cunning you’re most likely a pvp:er and thus get happiness for free at the graveyard’
That’s only in a BG and only if you die and yada yada yada …
I’m talking about lowbie levels and if I can’t get imp growl yet- it’s not working on any of my alts, and even without imp mend pet, it didn’t work for my Belf.
And then there’s the fact if I just rezzed pet- pet didn’t get time to attack, I had to sacrifice pet to save healer, pet dies, pet goes from netrual happy to UNHAPPY and … it’s not fun hoping for bloodthirsty to proc enough to get its joy joy level up- took half a boss fight to get Abyss back to happy after he tied when I wasn’t watching that damn elemental’s lagspikes of death [the one in Nexus]
That and this does NOT excuse a broken glyph! It was working perfectly before a patch, then all a sudden it breaks; what’s the deal? My friend wasted inks to make me the glyphs when I asked her too, and now that ink is wasted :/
And no I’m not lazy- just when the pets keep dying when everything goes pearshaped in an instance- almost had to sacrifice Abyss twice to save the healer on that damn belf in Nexus a while ago cause the tank lag spiked and lost aggro on one of her doubles, so it was CORE HOUND TO THE RESCUE, then ONCE MORE cause she was trying to get to teh resto a second time.
I have to admit Glyph of Aspect of the Monkey was a tad overpowered, but to remove it altogether? What happened to the effect happening once every twenty seconds? That seemed fair enough.
While I’m glad they at least aren’t going back on their word that you’d never have to switch to Aspect of the Hawk or Monkey individually any more to reap the benefit of either Aspect, I still believe they could of found a better solution than scrapping it altogether.
Ryai – sorry if you thought I implied that on you being “that”…. and yeah, been there too when the pet kept dying and happiness was something to worry about…. what I mean was that some people either forget to watch it and feed their pet on a regular basis over time…. lowbie stages are understandable in regards to the talent points in pets…. I didn’t mention the ones that happen due to pet related deaths in an instance or raid, BG not included coz that’s one thing they got right – though it should have also been for instances where things can get a little hectic, but that’s just me. What I was trying to point out in my sleep addled state is that they didn’t have to do or change one glyph into a whole new one when blizz could have just concentrated on the existing glyph and fixed/added to it….. sometimes they do stuff backwards in ways that define common sense.
As for pet happiness, before it was a SLOW gainer in the old days where one piece won’t cut it – now all it takes is one to two pieces and not five or ten til your pet is grinning. I used to remember the days when more than half your bag (sometimes one whole bag) is for pet food (especially hard for us in instances where they die often due to lack of enough healing from us – remember the days when hunters healing pets were channeled rather than a HOT – and from priests who were concentrating on the tank, etc – bringing in more food looses us loot space, now I could get by on at least one stack per pet type/family and not run out even in emergencies – only two or three slots for food, easy if all you have are pets that can eat the same type of food. Before, pet happiness was a major issue because lack of pet happiness also meant lack of loyalty.
Yes I know I joined in the days before they fixed Mend Pet and when feeding the pet was a problem. Half the time I could only go 15-40 minutes before the pet wanted a bit of food. And then another bit. One time I had to feed one damn thing every 5 minutes and no matter how much I used- think it was a cat, in battle, it never got any more loyal and etc…
And also half my rant when I re-read it was that, but figure it’s easier for lazy blizzard to nerf and change a major- was it major? Glyph than fix a minor.
I’ve been around since mend pet was a channeled ability…..
Palla:
Here here XD At least it’s not that bad. But from what I’m seeing on the PTR, it’s roll SV or go home pretty much. Unless your guild manages to get raids on farm-mode fairly quickly, then you’ll be fine.
@4 fearstalker:
“BM is still at least 10% behind SV at the moment, that’s not exactly balanced”
And if you can’t use your pet because it dies instantly (for example against Mimiron in Ulduar yesterday), you are 25-35% behind other hunter specs. As it looks now, BM remains useful only as solo spec.
I’m personally tired of being told by raid leaders to roll SV or gtfo and it happens a LOT. I was 2nd in DPS on four horsemen in Naxx 25 2 weeks ago with a SV hunter 200dps in front of me (I have a 516 be.imba.hu score on gear, and he has a better bow than my gun) and because I was second instead of first, I was called a “huntard fail.” This is not even taking into account the other three SV hunters I left in the dust!
Am I angry? HELL YES! Am I blaming the raid leaders? NO!
This is Blizzard’s fault people! This is the company that said with 3.0.8 “The three specs of hunter are equal, Survivalism is just ‘more equal than the others.” How tolerant of that should we be? I mean for god’s sake I love my BM hunter and am not respeccing no matter how insane and stupid bliz gets with their pattern and tradition of huge unnecessary nerfs followed by token, worthless buffs.
Please place blame where blame is due. Blizzard created our hardship, it’s there responsibility to fix it. Don’t give up on your hunters, people, and don’t blame other players, no matter how uneducated they seem. If you feel the need to attack someone like I do, get on blizzard’s forums and attack them for this, and I promise you if enough people scream loud enough, they’ll listen. After all, they’re not god, they’re a business, one with customers that are getting more and more pissed off in a world of MMORPGs with free alternatives to WoW.
/end QQ
@ Rikaku
Well even if your guild doesn’t- if they’re a good guild they won’t force you to respecc. IMO a good guild shouldn’t force you into a corner, it should respect the individual as much as the whole…
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… but unfortunately I have to agree, thanks to Blizzard it is now really turning into a roll SV or go home.
I couldn’t really enjoy my Nexus run- not cause of the pearshaped accidents or when the tank dc’d and it was a lulwut moment when the boss ate our faces suddenly. But in the back of my mind that nagging fear someone would complain I was BM- or make a snide comment. And the self conciousness that I now have about my dps..
Blizzard and this is just making me want to just shy away from instances and raid possibilities.
“Shinryu:
I agree, and I don’t want to go back to those days, I want to see everyone play whatever they want =)
But BM is underpowered now even on the PTR. 3 builds ago they said they were pleased with BM; BM and SV were both competitive with each other (SV was still better, but not so much so where you HAD to be SV). Then a bug happens and instead of fixing this bug, they nerf BM. Every build after that Blue post has been nerfing BM stealthily. So we’re back in the boat where BM is just good for leveling, SV is still powerful and bloated, and MM just feels clunky but it’s getting better.
Honestly, seems like Blizzard is breaking hunters more and more as these builds go on =/”
I agree Completly, Bm Was so op that i could solo basicly every class and almost kill them with full health so it was /op. But know survival and MM are taking the lead whyll good ol Bm is put in the back of the storage shed. Im thinking blizzard wont fix it for another 2 patches D:
Well, I mostly solo, myself. And I’ve been specced BM since I started playing.
But while I mostly solo, I raid the rest of the time. Maybe I’m just not falling into groups of super hardcore raiders, but I’ve never had the issue of “SV or GTFO”.
The only time I’ve ever been confronted about my spec’ is if there’s another Hunter in the group and I get a “Omg, you’re BM? LMAO.”
Ryai:
“Well even if your guild doesn’t- if they’re a good guild they won’t force you to respecc. IMO a good guild shouldn’t force you into a corner, it should respect the individual as much as the whole”
Generally yes, this is the case (thank god right? XD)
However, (sadly) it isn’t true for everyone. Some players are in a guild where leaders want you to bring your *class’* A-game, and not necessarily *your* A-game. Generally this hasn’t been the case, but there are a few guild who still wipe on a raid at 1-3%, which entails just a few hundred more DPS and they could’ve won; a few spec changes may have won that battle. I think Blizzard has forgotten this, and they were the ones who mentioned they wanted to deviate from this (bring the player not the class).
Even now I see quite increasingly more frequent “LFM , PST with Spec”. Let’s not even get into the replies you get if you say BM at the moment T-T Even though I can keep up with some schmucky SV hunter in the raid, but it’s not going to help in the long run even after the patch. SV will still be ridiculously ahead of BM, and worst of all SV is so over-bloated with procs and abilities and timing, that I can’t possibly even play that spec if I tried.
I’d find getting my teeth pulled out more fun and appealing than SV in it’s current form on the PTR @_@
It cut some stuff off =(
“Blizzard and this is just making me want to just shy away from instances and raid possibilities.”
I fully agree with all what you said. This is *exactly* how I feel. Even now I’m starting to ponder if it’s worth even going SV or going Hunter at all at this rate.
ATM it probably isn’t Rikaku, I mean we’re not the type of people who don’t really give a second thought about respeccing. Even with dual talent specialization, I’m left with this… sick feeling in my stomach. It just doesn’t feel right- I mean I do have fun as MM or SV on my alts, but nearly all my chars on Hellscream, hunterwise anyways, are BM. Not to be op not to be powerful, but because I just like the ability to make my pets more than pretty ornaments. And it feels like I’m betraying myself just to bend to the will of ‘Go SV or Go Home’ attitude that is starting to rear its ugly head.
As I said in that one thread it’s why I stopped playing Ryai after hitting lv 80 for the most part- I was scared to get into groups, and then when I did my confidence was back and it was fun, playing. And then Blizzard has to go and break my fun, just because I’m BM and just because I’m casual.
But there is on solution atm for me, I can just go play my warlock and make lv 80 DKs run in fear from his imba lv of 72.
Tho still getting the hang of doing instances with an affliction lock.
Ryai:
“ATM it probably isn’t Rikaku, I mean we’re not the type of people who don’t really give a second thought about respeccing. Even with dual talent specialization, I’m left with this… sick feeling in my stomach. It just doesn’t feel right”
Damn right. I sit here and think “maybe I should go SV” but then I just feel like I’m betraying my playstyle. Not to mention I literally love my pets, I cannot stand the idea of playing Hunter and not having Heero beside me.
Illidius has always been a Beast master, and that he’ll always remain. As a DPS class, you shouldn’t be coralled into just one spec, that’s just stupid. But lately, I really just have the worst suspicion that Blizzard doesn’t know what they are doing anymore.
Well, since dual-spec’s comming out, it’ll be okay. Any pet-unfriendly fights can be solved in 5 seconds. I’ve already planned to be mainly BM, except during “those fights” where melee are forced to scatter every 10 seconds or esplode into oblivion. That’s when I switch to~~ Marksman! Haha.. ^__^
Kikaku: That doesn’t really solve BM’s problems- and what if you’re BM and you forget Call Stabled Pet or whatever is on CD? And you use the dual specc talent to switch to MM. Even tho MM is still not as reliant on a pet as BM- it’s still not as free from it as SV is, right?
This is ofc if you were BM and had an exotic.
And this really doesn’t fix, as I said, the problem with BM. I thought dual speccing would be alright and fix my problem.. but I still get that sick feeling and that feeling of I’m betraying myself, my ‘pets’ and my playstyle to carter to people who don’t care about me or how I roll, and just go with the mindless masses, thanks to Blizz’s stupid thinking.
And this is pretty bad if all Dual Speccing is good for is solving problems with pet unfriendly fights :/
… which really isn’t solving the problem to begin with- if you have to specc to another specc, to overcome a challenge because Blizz won’t help pet survivability a bit more.
I wish they would buff devilsaurs and spirit beasts damage, if exotic pets do not do at least a *little* more damage than non-exotics I do not see the point of them at all. I will chose my bm spec and loque no matter what but… =/
Well, The way I see it it should be a very exciting patch. although, Blizz could have worked better on different pets. So far the strong get stronger and the weak get weaker. It has been since before WotLK started that I had seen spiders, tallstriders, scorpids, nether rays, sporebats (although I didn’t see them much before either :P), bats, or crocolisks (Not counting the ooze and ghost hydra). Blizz should work more on those, because quite frankly it seems like those pets went to waste, and it’s a shame :(. I would love to have a spider again, like the ones from Searing Gorge. Or a tallstrider would be really nice, too. However, Blizzwould rather work on the “stronger” pets such as spirit beasts, cats and wolves. Now I have a wolf and love him (or her… I called my wolf MarshaBrady because they are both so beautiful :P) but I would love to have pets that nobody have get better so that more hunterss would have them and more pets would be equal and not a waste. So fix the spider’s web to cacoon the victum or increase duration of the web for higher ranks. and for tallstriders maybe fix their skill to not only miss the next attack but according to rank increase chances to miss the opponent for like 4 seconds. Anyways, it’s just a waste, Blizzard is not going to do it, but I just want to know if other people agree with me.
Barnes is correct, too. Increase Exotic pets in general rather then just focus on the Spirit beast. What would be the part of having Exotic Pets if they are just basically like normal pets? But as I have just stated the in comment before, the strong get stronger and the weak get weaker…
Barnes & Rottingham:
They already have stated why they don’t want to buff the Spirit Beast. If the Spirit Beast gets buffed (to say top damage above cats or Devilsaurs) then they will have to make it more common to tame as well, As the blue put it. If I find the link again I’ll link it.
Devilsaurs do NOT need to do more damage. They are already the best dps pet. Plus, they annoy me with that stomping XD
However, they shouldn’t buff Exotic damage, then we’ll all be pigeonholed into Exotics. What they *should* do is return Shark Attack to 8% damage + (up from 6%) and Wild Hunt to at least 30% AP Contribution from the Hunter (up from 20%). This would help ALL pets, and not just the exotics. Not to mention that alone would greatly help BM hunters be on par with other specs.
I can’t say I find the patch exciting at all from a Hunter perspective since it seems nothing changes. I’m still LOLBM, my pets are still not really worth taking the 51 pt talent (or so it seems courtesy of this patch), and it’s still “Roll SV or Go home”.
Rikaku:
Thank you for clearifying that for me. I had never had a Devilsaur so I dodn’t know their damage. But I just think that they should buff the other pets being left out. There’s nobody around with spiders, tallstriders, scorpids, bats, ect. Nobody has them, they all have Gorillas, wolves, cats, or exotics from what I’ve seen. I just want to know if anyone else feels the same way about those pets.
Ryai: The thing is, switching for one match to save you the problems of having to pull your pet back and forth just to be able to do a good amount of damage isn’t really betraying your play-style nor your pet. Sure, it’ll stink if you started with an exotic and had to wait 30 mins to get him back after the change, but what about your non-exotics? I plan to have my wolf as my MM pet so that he can stay by my side and still be able to do something and I won’t have to continuously switch him from passive to defensive to save him from DDR Nightmares but still be part of the fight. Then, I can switch back to BM afterward and give my wolf a chance to play.
The thing is, we HAVE been given alittle more pet survivability with Wild Hunt. I doubt they can get any more unless Blizz want QQ from the PVPers. Also, Blizz isn’t really forcing anything upon you with dual specs, it’s something you can choose to take advantage of, especially when you feel bad for letting your pet explode in a wave of lava when he could have stayed by your side.
And who knows, maybe Blizz will be nice and our timers will be shortened a tad bit with Longevity. Call Stabled Pet should be included, imo. :P
/longpost end
Rottingham:
“But I just think that they should buff the other pets being left out. There’s nobody around with spiders, tallstriders, scorpids, bats, ect”
I think the problem with those pet’s is not their damage, but rather how situational their skills are and the fact that they are not based on the most popular pets of the world. By this I mean, Dust Cloud (I think it’s called) of Tallstriders makes the enemy miss the next attack. Now I have seen some hunters bring these guys to Sarth raids quite happily, but for the most part it comes down to the Kill Fast mentality. Many hunters want to kill and Kill Fast. Why get a pet that can be situational and Pin or Dust Cloud my enemy when I can bring a cat that just attacks and attacks and attacks?
Now, even if you buff a Tallstrider by say changing it’s family skill to say Ostrich Kick and it acts like Rake (for Example) people would probably still not bring a Tallstrider. Why? Because alot of Hunters are like me (now I’m not say ALL are, but I know a good many XD) and just don’t want to hunt with a 7 ft tall bird. I think that’s the real reason Devilsaurs, Raptors, Cats, Wolves and Bears are among the most popular pet choice. They’re imposing; now I’m not saying Spiders arent imposing (I’m scared to death of them) but not alot are going to be playing with a Creepy Crawler. XD
Kikaku:
One, your name really confuses me cause I keep thinking it’s mine for a second O_o
“The thing is, we HAVE been given alittle more pet survivability with Wild Hunt. I doubt they can get any more unless Blizz want QQ from the PVPers”
No, PVPers will not cry if pet’s get more HP. PVPers will cry when Blizzard let’s pets have Resilence, because Stamina really doesn’t matter that much when you’re getting overpowered in Wintergrasp 15 to 1. XD
Also about the Dual spec thing, I’m not quite sure what “it” is that you’re referecing to when you say “Well, since dual-spec’s comming out, it’ll be okay.” Pet-unfriendly fights is *not* what’s stopping BM from being competitive, it’s our overall dps. It’s not Heigan, it’s Blizzard who’s stopping us. Dual specs will not make it “ok”. If you want to be effiecent in raids, then you’re not bringing BM at all, you’ll be bringing SV or maybe MM.
But like I said, lolBM is in shambles, MM has the mana efficiency of a Fel-Blood Elf with a mana crystal, and SV is so bloated it’s more pain then fun to get the procs and timers right.
Rikaku:
I am in a guild that pretty much doesn’t want it’s players to goagainst the mold. I have made it perfectly clear that I will be “experimenting” with a new spec for hunters, to achieve something different than dps… and they told me if I even tried I would embarrass myself and embarrass the guild. And since I would embarrass the guild, i would be booted. That is actually fine by me. I did 99.99% of my leveling myself, and tought myself how to be a good hunter. I have pugged instancs and raids to collect the gear i am wearing, so i really owe nothing to them. So,i can live with not being in the guild. I have a few friends I work with in the guild, and they support me 100%. I won;t get booted form the guild because i told my friends I was leaving after the patch was up and I proved my theory correct. i don;t want them taking ANY credit for my effort in trying new things. So far in the PTR i have been doing very well with what i wanna do, but do need gear upgrades to pull it off. the guild won’t help me with the gear collecting, so i am forced to pug groups for instances. the trouble with that is, finding a group that will let me roll on the stuff ZI need if it drops. Don’t wanna give us hunters the “huntard” monicre. anyway, i guess what I am sayig is… not only does blizzaed want hunters to be very cookie cutter (same pets, same gear… same everything), but so do the people who want you to run raids and instances. Guess I will have t prove them wrong with the specc I am working on… but by then, it will be too late for them. i will be with another group that may accept someone who wants to play the game the way it is supposed to be played… the way that makes me happy. After all,i am paying my account fee, not them.
I’ve been playing on the PTR. BM is definitely not it’s “Good old self.” It isn’t even viable except for anything except leveling. It’s a freaking joke. You will do no damage in PvP and middle of the road damage in PvE.
From my perspective, Survival DPS is way down. In addition, when PvPing, I’m no longer doing enough damage to finally kill other players. Most classes can heal away or absorb all of the EXP SHOT damage now.
With 3.1 Hunters have been completely marginalized. I’m not even sure what the class is for anymore.
I just did an arena and a wsg as both BM and SV.
As BM, I’m just a free kill, irrelevant, a trash mob.
As Survival, I do damage, but I never get to complete a kill now.
We are so overall nerfed it isn’t funny. I am so sick of this.
And with the new nutty pet talents, if you go for increasing DPS you necessarily reduce survivability. Pets get 2 or 3 shotted by locks and mages easily.
Rikaku: When I first saw your post way-back-when, I thought it was mine and was like, “I didn’t write th– oh.. that’s a R..” XD
Anyway! Isn’t Surv getting a nerf or two, or am I misinformed? I heard Survs getting toned down some, and that the “next tier talents” in the pet trees will fill in the gaps? If there are more things we may need, we should probably get up and talk about it in the suggestion forums while the PTR’s still up..
In the end, I can just say that I’ve been BM since I ever started playing.. I don’t remember how long, but I guess I can say it way way back when Mend Pet was still channeled and pets having 5k HP was an ass lot, and I’ve never specced anything else and will always have BM as my main spec since dual’s comming out. Even if I’m a BM hunter surrounded with SV hunters, we still compete. Both of us are equally geared and the only real difference I’ve seen is me doing less dmg than before and SV doing alittle more, but at the same time, we actually seem equally matched. The only times I really fall behind are in those pet-unfriendly fights. But maybe its just me.. I don’t know.
Kikaku:
That’s exactly what I did “What, I didn’t write OOOOOOOOOH Kikaku, wow small world” XD
Anyways, Surv did get nerfed (but then they got Black Arrow so it balances out). BM did get new talents, but they got nerfed to worthlessness 2 builds in. So all in all, Patch 3.1 Hunter-wise is just like getting a new paint job for your crappy bike if you’re BM. It looks nicer, but it’s the same underlying problems plaguing it still.
Even with Dual specs, I’m staying BM. I’ll just rearrange 4-5 talents XD
Agreed! For God’s sake, both my speccs are going to be variants of BM. Prolly one with Hawk Eye 3 ranks for pve and one with aimed shot for pvp (plus a few other variations). All in all it’s dissapointing…
Blizzard can kiss my a** for screwing us the way they did. Are they actually paying attention to us or just throwing darts at cards with the top 10 bad ideas they could come up with?
mend pet glyph is a minor and the adjusted monkey to mend is a major so if we want our pets to heal 40% better we need to use a major slot- which would cut our dps performance since it will replace a dps enhancing glyph.
Rikaku:
I understand That this is too many posts back, but I had just woken up :P
I know that nobody uses the older pets that they used too, and I wrote the comment about the Pet skills in my first post on this (Number 31 or 32 I think…) But before the Spider used to be the top for PVP because of its his damage and speed, but that had changed. I did argue that if they did switch the pet skills that they might be used for different things apart from Sarth raids.
-PvP would be perfect for spiders if they just increased the duration of web.
-Increased dustcloud could maybe be a longer AOE, and last about 15 seconds where
anyone inside the dust cloud has a 50% chance to miss.
-I think bats should really have “Suck Blood”, a minute cooldown but drains blood
from the enemy and either heals itself or cause bleed damage over time.
-The damage on scorpids poison could be increased, or its sting could cause
initial damage along with the poison.
-Nether rays could have increases silence according to rank, too.
I know that Blizz will most likely not do this for hunters, but if these pets had these abilities, then do you think that people would use them?
I have found that no matter how politely you attempt to express yourself, no matter how much eloquence you use in conveying your ideas, unless you are specifically pointing out a bug on the PTR, your post gets deleted.
Dear Blizzard,
I am very concerned while running my hunter on the PTR that as a BM hunter, I am not putting out enough damage to effectively compete in PvP or PvE.
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Dear Blizzard,
I am very concerned that while I am in theory a DPS class (after all, what else can I do?) that a Paladin in the same battleground that I’m running with comparable gear ( I can give you his name and server) is able to out damage me by a wide margin and also top the healing charts. I was running this WSG as a Survival Hunter.
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Dear Blizzard,
I swapped pets using the new portable stable access, and my pet disappeared out of the stables all together.
Response: We are looking into this.
All BM is currently useful for at level 80 is setting it up as a BOT and farming, or going back to the pre-WoLTK instances and soloing achievements you previously missed.
You think I’m joking? go to Lake Mennar in Azshara, go to Bor’Gorok Outpost in Borean Tundra, watch.
Well, nobody uses BM that much anymore, which is a disappointment. The only reason hunters would do it now is for the exotic pets, however they are just not good enough to compare to Survival or Marksman. If Blizz fixed up those pets enough, then there could be a better chance for not only PvP but raids that there could be more BM hunters. still, I say that they have a lot of work to do with some non-exotic pets (almost all my posts above)… I appologize if I am getting on anyone’s nerve about this, but how people think that the Spirit Beast is not over rated, I state that those pets need a lot of work.
Rottingham:
Too many post back? Never such a thing. XD
“I know that Blizz will most likely not do this for hunters, but if these pets had these abilities, then do you think that people would use them?”
Nope. I really don’t think that many people would. First off, these pets really are the ones people just don’t want to tame. Not many hunters want to be friends with a spider or tallstrider when they can be with a Wolf or Cat or dinosaur. I don’t know why, but I believe it’s a mentality thing with the player.
You mention back when Spider used to be one of the kings of PvP. I remember those days quite well. I’ve been around since WoW originally released (and on the same hunter the whole time, omg old XD), and I’ll say this; even back when Spider’s were PvP kings, no one really used them. A few hunters did here and there, but majority of the BG’s were filled with cats.
I’m sure you remember the days when there really was “that one” best pet, Broken Tooth & the ZG Bat. There was Broken Tooth (who back in the day only had Prowl, none of this ‘Rake’ stuff & used Claw & Bite) and the ZG bat (able to use Claw, Bite and Screech at the time) were the only pets in game to have a 1.0 Attack Speed. They were both great pets, and some would argue that the ZG bat was better cause it could use Screech & hold aggro really well. Now why am I bringing this up? Well, just to show that even when a Bat and a Cat were equal, you never saw a bat. You would see hundreds of Broken Tooths a day, but maybe 1-2 bats.
So even if you made a Bat or Crab, or Tallstrider, equal to a Cat, you still wouldn’t see that many hunters with them; not saying that no one would use them, but a majority would rather hunt with a Cat, Raptor, Wolf etc.
Now, onto the PvP point you make. I bet I’d see a lot more people use these pets in PvP, but overall it wouldn’t change much (again the mentality + this point here). While their potential use would be increased, it still comes down to Situation vs Fast Killing. Why get a pet that can stun, when you can get a Cat to use Charge and then have a skill to do more damage as opposed to just a stun? Most Hunters kill their enemies in seconds (in PvE), usually about 15 secs on average is what it takes (of course this is just my experience as BM). Many hunters just want the enemy to die fast, even in PvP. Thus we see Cats or raptors in PvP (though oddly enough, I see alot of Corehounds too).
So overall, while I do think those skills (or improving their skills altogether) for those families, I still don’t *personally* think it’ll improve their status to the majority of hunters as the combined mentality of Killing Fast & hunting with a ferocious pet is what is causing their un-use.
Strangely I only find Corehounds only some of the time- usually the Kurken model or the Acid Green demon. Outside of Abyss I’ve only seen an MChound on another hunter and he was a bit of an er idiot instance wise [started VH with only me and the healer inside and then left the group]. I want to say something that’s more meaningful to what he was… but the troll isn’t worth people being insulted by foul words here.
To be honest tho Rikaku, while killing opponents fast is what yyou have to do in PVP, it’s not always a situation where you can unload safely into the target. Sometimes an extra stun, slow or silence can save you. Case in point; PTR wise- PTR when the BETA for WotLK was still up, I tamed a nether ray on Ryai and went around the BG’s with it, I had tested out a few other pets but so far nothing seemed to put a dent in the hailstorm of casters that could single out hunters like me and onetwo shot us.
So I got myself a Neather Ray- the red ones.
I then proceeded to giggle like an insane maniac as I owned Balance droods who were owning me. Silence, Intimidate, FD, BM, Detterence and it was just wiiiiiiiiin for me. Ofc I was usually close to death too so a rogue would oneshot me in the back. And if it was more than 1v1 situations I died but..
If they made pet families more viable than an insane burst damage to try and pewpew as fast as you can QQ, I wouldn’t complain. Because tbh silence, stuns, slows and the ilk are good in pvp sitations.
Especially with Longevity + already short pet talents = win .. usually. Sometimes..
Also spiders are damn dangerous in lowbie battle grounds- tho cats are like the second choice I see running around.
.. named Cat.
I don’t know which is worse tbh, the twinks, or the twinks with pets that aren’t named.
Also edit:
@Bestiarius
You were never around during what was it, the infamouse patch 2.4? You know when Growl became broken.
Every single hunter who realised the bug was happening, posted in a thread one person made. A dev came along, and said we were whining. Some other hunters came along, and told them to stfu, cause we were just being stupid or something.
And then one Dev is all Growl’s not broken, pets aren’t broken, it’s your fault for not watching your dps and your shot rotation is AS/AS!
Then you know it turns out Pets were broken- Growl was broken, and it wasn’t fixed for a long time. Mean back then it was hard enough to farm Netherwing dailies with WoW crashing every thirty minutes or so.
Sadly I think the only way they’d seriously consider fixing Hunters is if we all spammed the WoW forums like Retridins did. Lord the Sparta spam.
Ryai:
“To be honest tho Rikaku, while killing opponents fast is what yyou have to do in PVP, it’s not always a situation where you can unload safely into the target.”
Of course not, and I’m not saying it is. I was only pointing out to Rottingham that *that* idea is generally what majority of Hunters tend to go for in PvP. I’m not saying *I* do or that anyone *should*. Personally, I don’t PvP (except for Wintergrasp and AV, which I hardly consider PvP), when I do though, I use a spirit beast, just because I like to.
I am one of the people who, even if a Tallstrider was the best PvP pet ever, I would *never* use a Tallstrider because I don’t want to hunt with an ostrich; or a nether ray, or crab, or silithid. And I doubt I’m the only Hunter to think that, thus, my pointing out of the mentality of Hunters rather than the situational use of certain pets.
Sorry misread then. /apologize
Lol I’m not like that tho- each of my hunters have different pets. Hell thinking of getting a Tallstrider for Yasindra aha XD
And yeah guess you do have a point how some people want to use what they like- tho wish it was true for all hunters. I still do hate it seeing hunters who have pets but just treat them as a mindless thing, even if you know mindless, and don’t name it :/
And tbh I wouldn’t mind seeing hunters with more than just cats and etc, I mean [nearly] all of Azeroth beasts are at our beck and call! :O
I abuse it every chance I get.
Ryai:
“Lol I’m not like that tho- each of my hunters have different pets. Hell thinking of getting a Tallstrider for Yasindra aha XD”
Oh trust me, I do break out of my mold now and then ;) However, whenever I post I speak from experience from my main (Rikaku). Rikaku is strict Wolves, Cats and Spirit Beast AND 1 warp stalker XD However, my alts have a variety of pets including Bears, Boars, Raptors and a Core Hound. Each of my Hunters has a personality of their own XD
“I still do hate it seeing hunters who have pets but just treat them as a mindless thing, even if you know mindless, and don’t name it :/”
Yeah it irks me as well, but I just think that not everyone is like me (I’m very attached to my pets, mounts, mini-pets etc). Though, i hate it when I see people name their pet names like “Fluffy”, but meh, who am I to judge XD
Well first off, I would like to thank Ryai and Rikaku for continuously commenting on a comment that I had made. In the past year that I have been commenting, rarely anyone has ever responded (apart from someone who insulted me for using a crab on my twink…) But I thank you.
I too hate it when people use pets just for mindless damage rather then for the pet. That was the main reason for me being a hunter (That and I thought that sniping someone from a bush and them not seeing me was funny… I was a noob when the game first came out :P) I would really use any pet APART from spirit beats because people make a big deal over it. also some birds I can’t because they block my clicking view… But that is why I want the others to have a come-back!
My pets are the ooze, the ramparts wolf, a gorilla (which along with the wolf is my dad’s pet) and a sporebat (I was trying out their skills) I still have an empty space open just for IF the other pets (That I have continuously been naming) would become improved. I want something that nobody has. As soon as spider, carrion bird, bat, tallstrider, scorid, bear, boar ravager, nether ray (well, they are already pretty good for PvP), crab (Which is good for low level PvP), turtle, wind serpent, dragon hawk, or serpent are improved, I’m diving in head first and nabbing one. Also might get another one as well (Not such a big fan of sporebat… keeps flapping in the way like an owl :P)
I would love to see a Pink model tallstrider rush into heavy battle against a tauren and dreanei(forgive me if I spell it wrong) or a greater lava spider chasing after someobdy in beastal wrath (If they improve spiders, I will go BM just for that reason!)
Edit:
Update on MC hound spotting… it was an ally hunter who had it. I er killed him. Think it was named gunther…
They were rading TB so they were fair game 8D
Also @ Rotting
Tbh I have a harder time clicking around the tanks and melee dps to get at SKULL EX SQUARE targets than my pets.
That and anything is easier when you’ve gotten used to BIG RED DEVILSAUR WITH x3 MONSTEROUS BITE RUNNING AROUND.
Ariamodasu once complained in one run all she saw during a bossfight was a screenfull of white-purple ‘saur rear from Cherry, Amarai’s ‘saur
Well my NE Hunter has a Strider, Clutchmother to be exact called Boudica. She’s got a moth and an Owl too (They may have screwed Owls voer but I’m too attached to get rid of). C’mon killer flamingo birds are awesome :)
Who wants to call how long it will be before they nerf
“Entrapment redesigned: When your Frost Trap, Immolation Trap, Explosive Trap and Snake Trap are triggered, you entrap all afflicted targets, preventing them from moving for 2/4/6 seconds.”
I mean, after all. They nerfed the Rhino’s big bang to one person. Who wants to bet everyone except the hunters will bitch about this and it gets nerfed to where the Rhino is and only affects one target.
My dwarf alt hunter has the pink flamingo from the Tauren starting area, named him Floyd (as in Pink Floyd).
But on to the topic, yeah, they have been stealthily nerfing us and giving some senseless buffs… its confirmed that SV cannot make a complete kill anymore in BG, we just can’t last that long to make it count anymore. MM is a close second killer, but once an enemy gets real up close and personal, its over. BM are definitely rated as trash mobs in the BG, I used to be close to full BM before in a BG and we were able to get our own on respective kills in…. now we’re easy cannon fodder. Going into Arena as a hunter is a joke, no matter what spec….. that place mostly belongs to the melee kings, but don’t quote me on that, I could be wrong on other servers…..
I know what I am posting is adding to the list of complaining posts, but its the truth…. we may “accept and move on” — but no matter how you look at it, buffs or no buffs from them, blizzard still screwed us over big time. They broke what should not have been broken, and fixed what should not have been fixed.
I’m BM for all the hunter reasons to be BM since the vanilla days for the purpose of having a great pet fight with you, but no longer am I a complete joiner in instances or raids or BGs – I leave that to my other high level alts that can actually work well in those areas. SV or GTFO for those, meh…. let me farm all I can and fill my bags with money, at least farming still ain’t a pain in the rear and requires no spec prerequisites or gear.
…oh look, blizzard background download is already saying that data for next patch is “ready” for download.
Forgot to add but, tbh it feels like whats STILL happening to us Balance Druids (Our surviability is floating around somewhere and what coulda been good got given to Restos, go bloody figure). You get shafted and they ignore or fob off the reasoning why. I’ve already had to give up pvp on Aria as I’m a giant target and gear, where are thou?!
Of course the Hunter thing affects me not only for my two but Ryai is our psuedo cow tank being treants only last 30 seconds so can’t hold them off very long. So for my spec and Hunters I’m def concerned :/ Yet unsurprised.
Honestly, I am completely sick of this bull crap with blizzard. Recently I put a post on the ptr asking blizzard to think of removing the “exotic” status of pets. Now, before everyone freaks out, think about it. I searched the basin for three weeks to get my beloved spirit beast. I used it for probably two weeks, and then patch 3.0.8 came out. I love to raid, and thus specced to survival to remain competitive. My poor Dinah has been sitting pretty in the stables the whole time, and it breaks my heart. If blizzard wants to make BM nothing more than a survivability spec like frost is for mages, then why keep the most rare and impressive pets in the beast mastery tree? If there really is NOTHING blizzard will give us as BM, make my spirit beast, and everyone’s exotic pets as good as a regular old pet and let me take it with me where ever I go. Please. :’(
Ariamodasu:
Thank you! another person who loves striders apart from me. And I’ve never seen anyone with a moth so I had forgotten all about them, and owls! WAY TO FIGHT THE POWER!
Ryai:
I bet that Devilsaur is hard to click across, LOL! I saw a dwarf hunter with one in IF before, and it was like Jurasic Park when the T-Rex was chasing the car, they are huge!!! what would make it better would be Monsterous bite x3 along with Beastal Wrath!!! LOL it would be the whole screen. Also, I’ve seen every exotic running around Dalaran except the rhino. Don’t tell met that the Beautiful Rhino is going to be shuned, too!
Eveline:
That’s actually not such a bad idea. A new talent point for the BM Hunters to benefit their pets would be nice, such as, depending on the pet, better skill upgrades, which would also solve my problem. However, you need to look at the facts. If you saw A lower level orc running around with a Worm from Ragefire Chasm, wouldn’t that seem a bit unfair?
Well my other Hunter has a Worg (I wanted a Worg alongside a Worg with a Worg pup then Blizz foiled me) and I’ve got Azzie, be getting a Turtle come next patch also :) Being they’re alts I’d rather get things I like over OMG MUST HAVE as that takes the fun out of Hunters for me. Looking into getting a Murkworm, Stompasaur (Revenge for the times they’ve smooshed me) and then not decided lol.
Striders have had a minor AI fix mind, they’re no longer dustclouding then running at the enemy thus wasting it. They’re not correctly using when actually at them unless I’m getting a lot of flukes with her.
Rottingham:
Good point, and thank you for responding to my comment :). In my mind though, end game stuff NEEDS to be sorted out, and the fact that a very low level hordie can get a worm while, say, my low level nelf cannot really doesnt bother me. If all pets are made to be equal (as they have with the recent, cough, HORRIBLE nerf to all pet stats), then a bear would probably be just as good of a solo pet as a worm until the alliance character could get a worm. I just think that we hunters should be rewarded for our love of the way we play our class and the time we put into our pets, instead of being labeled the “easy spec” or that somehow BM hunters faceroll the keyboard while raiding. I hate it.
BM hunters trash mobs in BGs? I’m not trying to be rude, but…. *LAUGHS and LAUGHS* Best joke I’ve heard all week, thanks for the laugh.
Seriously. I am not trying to sound harsh or mean, but do you even BG as a beast master? If I get ahold of it, and it doesn’t have a healer, it’s dead. Sometimes even if it HAS a healer, it’s dead. I may not come out of the fight smelling like roses, but I win, and I win often. It take’s some one full epiced out and with at least some knowledge of their class to bring me down with any sort of ease, and even then I make them earn it. A bubbled paladin, protection warriors, and death knights blowing cooldowns are the only things that cause me to growl. Well, that and those annoying running healers that you can’t kill unless the moon aligns JUST SO and you manage to intimidate them and cleanse off an HoT, thus allowing you to burn them the rest of the way down.
I am not going into another PvP tutorial. Suffice to say that it takes more effort then other classes, but beast masters, and hunters in general are far from free honor kills.
Eveline:
and thank you for responding to mine :)
The thing is, I would love to have the pets that I love. However, Blizzard was not too “equal” with this, as I have stated many times before, and not improved all pets. if the pets were to be equal, then why do all the pets that I really like stink? :/ well, all I know is that come 3.1, my ooze will be rockin with both bad attitude and thunderstomp, making him a BEAST at farming (No pun intened :P) however, I would still love to see the “shunned” pets back in action soon, and a serious skill change would help. If our good friend GhostCrawler reads this, could you maybe put a good word in it for us?
please?
Rottingham:
I think we’re both saying the same thing but with different words, haha! the problem is, GC doesn’t seem to care about BM (they said even up until recently that BM was still too low, and that they wanted to make it competitive with SV. Well, then they said its right on target like two weeks ago, and are we seeing it on target? Maybe on target for LEVELING) or hunter pets in particular.They give us this great variety of pets, tell us they make them all equal, but in the end just…don’t. Its sad, really. All I want is my lazer kitteh to be by my side and not be called a noob, despite the fact that I put in an intense amount of patience and time to get it.
Correction then Palla… but I DID BG a lot as BM before WoTLK, did a lot of damage myself and was on the high ranks on DPS and kills aside from rogues/warriors/ret paladins… and I ALWAYS go after soft targets: Healers, Mages, Warlocks — those were hunter targets for me back in those days when Ravagers were the DPS kings aside from cats…. couple them with intimidation and wrath for fear protection and they are pretty much dead… then I become food after I get ganged up on later. While our survival is not the best at the moment, the few BG’s I have been in personally lately ALWAYS go after hunters first the moment they see us zeroing in on softies like healers…. yes, I AM BM in them in spite of everyone touting SV. Bestiarius had most of it right in his post…. and pets die way too fast in BG even with HOTS on them while you’re also getting pounded on. Unless you’re one of the lucky ones in the BG’s who have idiots as opponents…..
Its nice I made you laugh though….. and before you ask, I do KNOW my class well after playing it ever since the vanilla days and make those earn their keep when they go after me….. its just that our overall damage is no longer what it should be and we get offed far more often and a lot more faster than our own targets.
… just go SV guys, its twice as much dps, and isnt bloated as all if u spec right… i can even post my spec if yall need help… but really, just go SV/bm come 3.1… like me
Gimlion:
Oh believe me, that’s what I’ll be doing. I just wish I could raid with BM instead of only be BM while I’m sitting in dalaran to look at my pretty pet.
Eveline:
I think we are on the same page. I think Blizzard took the select few pets that they like and made them better then the others, no matter how much they try to persuade us that they are trying to make them equal. WELL DON’T TRY! IF YOU WANT HAPPY HUNTERS, THEN READ THE FORUMS ABOUT WHAT HUNTER’S WANT, AND DO! now I know that if i got connected to a Gm they would tell me one of three things:
-”We are doing the best we’ve can”
-”We have done the best we can”
-”If you have so many problems with hunters, why not choose another class?”
WELL NO OTHER CLASS CAN GET HELLO KITTY WITH LAZERS COMING FROM HER EYES! I am truely not that big of a fan of the spirit beast, however if they made the pets equal with each other then I could truely live with the spirirt beast.
Blacksands, the problem is we have to play our class almost entirely differently from everyone else. I say problem, but it’s more like an issue of skill. It is far easier to play classes like the mage or the death knight or even the rogue when compared to the hunter. The only classes that play similar are the mageISH, and the healer classes who run and heal. I’m not saying we should be able to melee as well as we ranged, but I have to agree that I wouldn’t mind having a bit more of an edge before people get into my “run like heck” range.
Gimlion:
“… just go SV guys, its twice as much dps, and isnt bloated as all if u spec right… i can even post my spec if yall need help… but really, just go SV/bm come 3.1… like me”
No. Just no. I’m not going to play another broken spec. It is bloated if you spec right. With every shot and timer and proc-based ability pushed to the limit to maximize your dps, don’t try to say it’s not bloated lol
But this kind of mentality is not one I do not repeated (no offense Gimlion). Hunters shouldn’t have to play a different spec because Spec does 2x the dps. It should be comparable, and 2x the damage is not that.
Eveline:
No, I don’t believe Exotics should be allowed for another spec. It’s bad enough BM has almost nothing going for it, the least BM can get is the chance to have a high DPS pet like Devilsaur that some MM/sv can’t get. If we made all these new pets available for MM and SV, then that literally would be the death of BM considering we’re already in the hole dps-wise.
Rottingham:
I think some of your posts about buffing other pets seems to come from your hatred of the Spirit Beast (or so it seems to me from reading). If you don’t like the Spirit Beast, don’t use it. But the Spirit Beast is NOT the best pet, and I can guarantee you no Hunter is saying it’s the best DPS pet. Why Hunters make a big deal over the spirit beast isn’t because of it’s damage (it’s easily outdps’d by Raptors and Cats), but because of it’s uniqueness.
Rikaku:
I do agree with you that BM hunters have only one truly unique thing left: exotic pets. All I’m saying is that to me, end game BM really is dead already, and even more so in 3.1. I know BM hunters are making it work right now raiding wise,and I have nothing but respect for you all (especially you Rikaku, I keep up on your blog :P). Its just a wish of mine, to get something out of my spirit beast except a vanity pet in dalaran.
Eveline:
I appreciate the reading, even if it is sparse due to school XD Yes, BM is in a bad way at the moment in end-game. The SV’s are dominating but in 3.1 everything is just… askew. I think alot of the problem is Ulduar. So much testing is being focused on Ulduar and based on Ulduar that the devs aren’t looking at anything else. I think Patch 3.1.1 will be the one to fix alot of issues.
Personally, from my experience, don’t play a spec you don’t enjoy. Personally, I’d love to top damage meters, but my big red pet is better than any dps chart number I can be. After over 5 weeks of work day and night, over 175 hrs camping, there is *no* way I am *ever* perma-stabling Heero. My experience as playing hunter *my way* is more important than watching LnL procs.
But, just keep in mind this. A Skilled, well-geared BM hunter can keep up with and even over-power a facerolling SV build Hunter. With dual specs coming out, I think you could easily have a BM build for you own enjoyment and another build for whatever raid spec you want.
Personally, I’m Dual-speccing BM. BM4Life <3
Rikaku:
You’re awesome Rikaku, When 3.1 comes out I am going to go BM as often as possible. Every time I go by a stable master I look at my Dinah, its so sad. Even if I’m SV now, I agree with you. BM4life. Beast mastery is how a hunter is supposed to be, imo. Thanks for sticking it out, you’re a role model :)
Main hunter (lvl 80) has:
Sholazar Wasp Queen
Slime
Hydra
Green and Black Raptor
Uhk’Lok
Alt hunter (lvl 30) has:
Pink Tallstrider
Clutchmother Tallstrider
Red Spider from Duskwood
Starter Area Dragonhawk
Humar(Gag)
I really feel more like a pet collecter than an actualy player anymore. the funnest part of the game has become looking and camping for those hard to findpets. I respecced SV, and I am usually highest dps in raids, but that doesn’t make the game fun. Hunters just aren’t a fun class anymore, and I have started a handful of new toons to level up.
One last note, as some of you know,i have been working on a tanking/pet tanking spec and was hoping to have the gear to put the gear and spec together before the patch, but somebody else beat me to it. there is video going around of a hunter’s pet tanking Sappharion. The reason he got to it before me is, he had a guild that suppotred him. Actaully,I am sure he is a much better hunter than me, but he ddi have the help of his guild. I had no help form my guild. I was actually laughed at and what-not for wanting to try something like that. to make a long story short, i poted on my old guild’s forums that i could have been the one making the video of my pet tanking a raid boss f my guild was open minded. was then called, gready, selfing and childish and was told that if I brought he subject up again i would be booted from the guild. well,i dropped guild about 10 seconds after reading that. i am still guildless. lol I actually feel like a burden has been lifted off my chest.
Point of the story: If my guild would have listened to me, they could have beena part of somthing great…. not if Blizz would listen to us hunters, they could be part of something great.
well, trust me, i almost got booted out of my guild by my CL for not going SV/arguing with him about it… i LOVE bm, but i cant stand the low damage… i will deffinately be BM/SV come patch, with BM my main spec cept raids and heroics… but SV is very fun to play… and no, if u want bloated go MM, with SV almost every shot in ur rotation is a variable of our GCD which is 1.5…
Palla: “run like heck range” lolz very of the funny – and true, sometimes I think Blizz didn’t really know what they were doing with hunters in the end-range in terms of results. It almost makes me wish they scrapped the entire class and restart from the ground up and introduce the class as Rangers that can use Ranged weapons AND melee with the best of them, pet optional as an added bonus. The only famous Ranger in the game is Sylvanas, and not much else. The closest thing to come to a Ranger is the Survival tree since pets are indeed almost optional to that tree, but not enough melee. The hunter in its heyday was a two-pronged attack on any given target as both pet and master do twice the amount of damage…. nowadays, its lackluster. We’re basically background fire and snipe support and our best job IS always via ranged attack. I’d gladly go back to wearing only leather like in the original WoW if they up our overall power in exchange for lesser armor.
….But that’s just me.
Gimlion:
Well that sounds like a very unfun guild to be in, and perhaps your situation is not alone. Personally, I’m in a guild where being your top cookie cutter spec isn’t going to make or break a raid. MM is hardly bloated, MM’s only real downside is their mana inefficiency. Maybe it’s the definition of “bloated” but I know I’m not the only hunter to consider SV very bloated for it’s lackluster dmg (compared to other pure dps).
You know sad thing is i was hoping 3.1 would “fix” the bm spec make it usable not “lol your a bm noob” an told to go Surv or Mark or stfu.. you know hat fun.
Told my guild about the ‘changed’ to bm.. meaning “we are going form bad to ‘look I suck’” come 3.1.. I love my guild for one simple fact.. they said play what i want to I can still get in raid an instances to get geared an get better may have to be all guild ran an no plugs for me but.. hey I’m willing to give up plugs if i can still be a Bm, been one since i started no plans to change.. ever.
But to the point, Blizz never seems to take us hunters seriously.. we tell them problems with out class an they ignore.. bet if a pally had any kind of problem it would be “we are looking into this” not just deleted..
Shilaze of Ravencrest
I don’t understand a lot of what you guys are saying… from my testing on PTR BM is way up.. in fact its higher than Surv which makes me happy as I have always been BM… since spirit bond was good =P I can’t believe someone was talked down to because they miss the Minor Glyph of Mend Pet WHICH WAS REMOVED as of this PTR build(or before). It was one of our only useful minor glyphs!! We only have 5 now… and most SUCK! It was nice to be able to mend pet my pet in town or waiting for the pull if he became unhappy… since they nerfed Bloodthirsty proccing on the squirrels in Dalaran. Oh and for ferocity pets come 3.1 you would be fairly unintelligent to take it 2/2 with the new abilities.
Also on live I just got my Loque to lvl 80 and she did more damage than my devilsaur. Now this was only tested once so I need to do it again to see if it was a fluke.
Also some fights BM is above Surv and others Surv is higher. Play what you like… do it well and if people say sh!t to you tell them to p!ss off!! I guess I feel sorry for a lot of you if noobs and jerks on your servers or in your guilds are saying this stuff to you. It does make me very happy that im the GM of my guild and on a fairly mature server.
One more thing… my god MM will be OP in PVP if the changes above go through.
@ Ariamodasu: OMG you named your tallstrider after me?! I’m touched :D
@ Rottingham: I currently have a purple warpstalker (Indigo), the nice coloured spider from terrokar forest, red and green one (Webster), I also have the strider clutchmother (Gumdrop) and a colour changing wolf from storm peaks (Maugrim).
I agree that most hunters go with the masses when it comes to pets, I think this is because so many of the other left out pets have problems. The sporebats I tried out several times after supposed “fixes” but they are still broken. Ravagers have been “fixed” too so they do nowhere near the damage they once did.
Someone at Blizz needs to work through the pet families and sort them out so they ALL become viable as pets again. I personally would like to see tallstriders loose the dustcloud attack and have it replaced with something different, some thing like this maybe:
Tallstrider
Special Ability: Peck – stuns the target for 3 secs and reduces armor by 10%
This ability stacks upto 5 times.
Just my thoughts.
Problem is: PvP – or the way Blizzard is implementing it!
Everything they took from hunters was because of PvP/Arena/eSports.
Blizzard and PvP – epic fail!
Well you’re not the only one in thinking that our damage is lackluster. Even in the gear and even after the specc change I was still only able to do crits of 1.5 to just almost 3.1k- which is decent .. but it was from me being SV, not my skill.
SV is a tad bloated too, not really talents. If you specc right you can have mostly pure PVP or PVE talents. The attacks tho, that’s when it gets bloated. AS and ES share the same timer, Black Arrow .. shares a CD with traps .. which is stupid in itself. Serpent Sting doesn’t and can be spammed but it’s hard for me since I don’t use macros so stringing up my shots via mousing was hard- SV might be the one specc if I do eventually break and give in, to have to use keyboard or macros for ease.
Tbh while there is some bloat, if you do talent right the bloat is minimal. The new attacks are just confusing.
With BM tho, there is bloat- but useless talents period for the most part. And what’s not useless well, it’s pretty much the same 51 talents most people think of when going BM. Or 57 if you want to ‘max out your pet’ too. There’s no pvp survivability. There’s nothing to free you. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You have to purely rely on broken traps, disengage, detterence, stunning and hitting TBW.. to run away.
BM is no longer a viable PVP specc imo- yes if you have skills you can rock, but if you don’t it’s get outta the frying pan or stay behind friendly lines. Because atm BM is more, gasp, a raiding specc. But what do we give to the group? Only a +3 increase to dps. And it doesn’t stack afaik. Joy/Joy.
But SV hunters? You specc rite; PVP.
You specc rite; PVE.
You specc wrongly; LULWUT
Tho admit it is very easy to specc wrongly. But it’s like a feral druid tree atm- you have to know what to aim for because if you don’t, you’ll be buffing bear and not cat, or vice versa.
And as Rikaku said, that sounds like a really horrible guild, and it’s no excuse. They’re ripping into you and trying to order you how to play. If dual speccing wasn’t around I would suggest you just leave a guild like that.
I can understand if they needed an SV hunter’s buffs and all that- but they shouldn’t outright do that. That’s just taking a game To. Far.
Nah I’m British and I love mythology so know a fair bit of Scottish and Celtic (Where Boudica comes from albeit she’s red haired but my strider doesn’t kick any less ass), sorry if I confused :) I’ve actually named most of my pets after death gods and warrior females mean I have:
Sendeni NE:
Artemis – Owl (Starter standard, much love)
Nepthys – Moth (Blue naturally)
Boudica – Strider Clutchmother
And my other hunter, Mitsuko Tauren (Yay cows):
Vaithne – Worg (Sept this, it’s the last name of one of my charras who has wolf like blood)
Hakea – Azzie
Turtlesoup/Something original – White turtle as of next patch
And if you think your minors are bad… Glyph of Unburdened Rebirth is an essential as the damn seed doesn’t exist, Thorns if you’re forgetful and and… I’m all out. Been thinking of putting one into sealion to make that daily faster but hey. We’ve got too many essential majors for Balance with us being nerfed every two bloody minutes (Hey I see a pattern here!)
I actually originally rolled Mits where she had a Flamingo on a different server for the pure reason, dude I have a pet and I can send it to kill people. Death by giant pink ostrich, AWESOME. Plus it was a nice change from the dire times when hurricane was our end talent :)
/ramble
Rikaku:
It’s not that I hate the Spirirt Beast, It’s just that I think people made such a big deal about it. If spirit beasts were as common to find and a wolf, then would people still be such gigantic fans? I understand that to get your hands on the spirit beast is one achievement that requires lots of patients, and by the time he appears somebody kills it just for you not to have it. If there were more spirit beasts then I wouldn’t have such a problem if people like them, it’s just that the reason I think people are obsessed with them is because there are only two of them right now. I don’t know, I just don’t feel like waiting for the one pet that everyone wants to kill for an achievement or tame, it would be much to hard…
And also I NEVER would want those other pets to just be equal to get back at the spirit beasts. I understand that the spirit beast, too, also is not hte best pet, and I would have named him in my pets-to-be-improved except that he already has a “Bang-up” job in people wanting him and trying to tame him. if they made more spirit beasts and people still liked them because not because they are hard to find but also because they like the pet in general (because it seems to me that a lot of people just like it to sit in Dalaran just to show off what a great hunter you are, not for the pet itself. I’m not naming anyone but a few friends of mine who have the spirit beast do, and it’s a shame) Then when the spirit beasts are still liked and more numerous I will add them to my arguement of the pets that need improvement.
I apologize for anyone that i may have insulted during this comment
Rikakau:
my guild is a very fun guild, but we are also an upper-grade raiding guild tho. he mostly was close to gkicking me b/c i was being like a natural 13 year old would and arguing athority… i think if i wouldnt have been so argumentative he wouldnt have cared as much…
Tbh I would still want Jupiter even if he wasn’t the best- and I kept him even when Blizz admited or a Dev admited they made his dps worse than a cat because oh it’d stop people from getting grief. Not that people stopped. Not that it stopped grief. I mean he should be on par with cats atleast, being an exotic and all.
Just by being a hard to get rarespawn should not mean he is inferior- that does NOT make sense. I am not wanting a beast better than a Cat, Devilsaur, Raptor or anything- but to nerf a beast so badly just to lamely try and stop grief?
If anything if they were MORE common, it would STOP the grief. It would STOP the torment. It would cause people who truly apreciate the pet to use it and those who wouldn’t to go meh and leave- like they would anyways.
And while I admit I do strut around Dalaran with my spirit beast- I do the same with my Devilsaur and Corehound. With my Hydralisk and Wasp. It’s like a sign proclaiming, I am BM and I chose these as my exotics. Or Look what I was lucky to tame- and look I got the wasp, not just because she was being retired, but because of her colors.
The Sapphire hive queen is gorgeous.
If she hadn’t of been being retired I would have most likely gotten her on an alt- because I didn’t like wasps at first, but I grew to love Aurelius, she’s a gorgeous creature and I’ve never seen her on my server on another hunter- I have seen a slime or two and a couple of Hydras. But never her.
I consider her just as precious as the rest of my hard to obtain/hard earned pets.
Glyph of the Monkey – first AoD loses the ability to proc this effect, which I could have lived with… but now the speed boost is going away altogether? Sure the +healing is nice, but comparative advantages aside as I see it this is a matter of replacing something interesting with more bloat.
Otherwise looks like lots of power ups – I’d gladly take 100% daze chance with every chimera/multi over 6% with every auto-shot.
It seems like every mistake (broken mend pet etc) instead of getting corrected just seems to prompt a new cluster of power ups, and I’m getting concerned that if they continue pumping up every class like this patch after patch, and no effort is made at adjusting mob difficulty to keep pace, that even the few remaining challenging- to semi-challenging solo fights will become jokes (i.e. “remember back when you needed a group to kill a fel reaver? lol”); sort of like how they force you to fight mobs just for XP on PVP servers ie a meaningless but compulsory detour from the rest of the game.
I love solo – it’s 90-98% of my game most weeks, and I’d particularly hate to see the solo game go this route; not there yet, but if you look at the number of [group] quests in the game that actually require a group – or at least hard work to solo – as a rough indicator, it’s pretty easy to see the plummet particularly since BC came out.
I’m not saying they should cut back on the “power up” changes, although as above I do think bugs and dev screw ups should not be the justification for them, however if they don’t start doing something to offset these gains in re: mob difficulty, they are going to boost the solo game into irrelevance and forcing players to just endure the time spent between groups or raids – not through over-difficulty like with EQ but by going the opposite route.
Rottingham:
“It’s not that I hate the Spirirt Beast, It’s just that I think people made such a big deal about it. If spirit beasts were as common to find and a wolf, then would people still be such gigantic fans?”
I think it’d be less popular but probably still one of the most beloved pets. Personally, I don’t care if anyone does like my Spirit Beast or not XD I picked Heero for his personality, not cause of his DPS, or looks. I don’t strut around Dalaran for everyone to see him (ok so I *did* when I first tamed him, but c’mon 175+ hrs spent camping? I needed to shove it in my guild’s face XD). I see more Hunters showing off other pets in Dalaran; such as Hive Queen, Gezzerak, and Ghost Wolves.
What!!! They nerfed Explossive Shot!!! It is the most powerful move on a Survival Hunter arsenal, why to change T.N.T to that kind of effect, the critical while stunning target is the neat to powerful DPS no to Refresh the Trap, how useless at my point of view.
I thought most people got the SB for the unique model more than what it actually does.
Rottingham:
I meant to put this in my post above, but I just awoke XD
On the topic of disliking the spirit beast because of its popularity, I think that’s sort of a silly charge (no offense XD) against it. If you don’t like the spirit beast for any reason, don’t get one. No one’s making you. And of course people are going to clam over this rare and unique family. Why?
The same reason thousands of players farm Baron for his Deathcharger.
The same reason Hunters went crazy over Ghost Wolves.
The same reason PvPers clamor over Arena Drakes.
The same reason crazy people go after the Bloodsail Admiral title.
Uniqueness.
No one really wants to look like everyone else (though oddly we all actually do!) so we all go for something that makes us unique, be it armor, weapons, mounts, titles, or pets! This isn’t a new trend, it’s been around since original WoW days.
Hunters showed off the Broken Tooth cats, even though those cats looked just like every other Lioness! The Spirit Beast is Broken Tooth’s spiritual ancestor. Many hunters like a rare “thrill of the hunt” pet. That was the entire purpose of the Spirit Beast (as stated by GC and other blues): to re-create the old-world camping of rare pets as desired by a portion of the Hunter community.
So the SB is just that, a trophy. Don’t really expect much more from it. It’s not like its DPS is amazing (It’s #4 atm on PTR) and can’t be easily achieved or beaten by other pets. So if you want a Spirit Beast, get one; if you don’t like them, don’t. =)
Most interesting part of this for me is the bit about T.N.T.’s redesign. Apparently SV hunters now have another cooldown/debuff/buff to watch for when it’s up/down/refreshed.
It looks like SV will be doing this: drop an Immolation trap at the start of the fight (or pre-fight for things like Patchwerk), use Explosive/Aimed/Steady for normal shot rotation, Black Arrow every 30 seconds, Serpent Sting every 21 seconds (glyphed), and make sure that Immolation Trap is kept up with Explosive Shot. *scratches head* Is there another class that’s getting this complex of a DPS rotation? We also have to watch for Lock and Load procs, as well as, hopefully, time our cooldowns when all our buffs are up (Master Tactician, Expose Weakness, wolf howl, Black Arrow)…
…Yow.
Rikaku:
Well, looks like another comment board in which I dodn’t win my arguement (Check the warcraft mounts one for the fishing mount :P) oh well… I’m not the best debater anyways. Just thought that There should be more focus on the weaker pets rather then the stronger ones… But I guess that only a few agree with me.
Rottingham: Winning isn’t really the point here. :> I’ve been following both of your discussions with interest.
Like Mania said, it isn’t really a matter of winning. I don’t think anyone disagrees with you, perse. Just try to remember that until Wrath, not every pet family had a special skill. Now they all have one at least, but not all of them are useful, and only being able to use some of them once a minute or so is fairly restrictive, and will leave them a bit behind in usefulness.
Here, however, is my disclaimer. Every single pet us completely usable in some way. While I don’t suggest taking a tenacity pet into a raid, for everything else all three trees and every pet is really useful. Tenacity even just got better for PvP, since now they’ll all have thunderstomp AND their family ability.
A side rant…..ferocity, the damage dealing pet, is the only one to NOT have a family tree ability to deal damage. Rabid increases DPS, but it still not an outright attack. I guess in longer fights Rabid will beat out the awesome wolverine bite, but it doesn’t stand a chance against thunderstomp. Maybe a passive ability that causes bleed damage on criticals? A five second cooldown that does damage similar to the old bite? Wolverine bite for ferocity? Something. As it stands, now tenacity have a damage dealing ability, and ferocity has two healing type abilities. To which I say…huh? I love lick your wounds and heart of the phoenix, but those were added to make raid damage easier to handle, and not because they actually fit the trees. A good thing? Yea, probably, but odd to say the least.
I see alot of people here and elsewhere saying BM is only good for solo, farming, old content..etc
I would mention that some of us hunters are using a pet focused BM build to tank current content using our pet, up to and including Durante’s crowning achievement of main tanking sapphiron.
So that is at least one thing BM is good for that survival and marks dont cut it, for what its worth.
Mania:
OMG you were following a discussion I was actually in? I’m flattered. You’re a Hunter-god to me *_*
Rottingham:
No, don’t misunderstand me <3 I’m not trying to win. Winning would mean I demand that you see it my way, which isn’t the case. Consider what I’ve said as “food for thought”. Now I’m not saying “Tallstriders be damned!” at all; I’m for the contrary! I agree with you that some of the lower families should get love. But like Palla pointed out, keep in mind until recently some families had no family skill.
Rather, what I wanted to convey to you here was more about your situation and feelings toward the Spirit Beast, and to a lesser extent, popular pets. I don’t want you to think that you have to agree with me (or anyone else in the whole world for that matter!;) ), instead I just wanted to provide you and anyone else who was reading, some possible insight into what makes some pets popular and other’s not.
You’re definitely not alone in thinking other pets need love, I fully believe they do too (even if I do think spiders are the creepiest thing in WoW D= )!
Bah, I know winnig isn’t everything, but I’m the guy in the family that knows the most about these pets. My dad would much rather listen to my opinion then some people in the Dalaran General Channel, whereas my brother is just the opposite. It just seemed a bit… awkward to be “verbally beaten down” about the pets in WoW. I seriously have nothing against the Spirit Beast, however I do think that it is over rated. I truely do believe that the pets that are not exotic should have more even skills (I understand that every pet has a skill now, however some skills are much more effective then others and I believe that Blizz should try to equalize the skills a bit better.) Also I think that pets that are exotic should become a bit better (and that includes the spirit beast, too) why go into BM to get an exotic of your core hound doesn’t do as much damage as a cat? (I truely don’t know if they do or not, I only had a lvl 73 corehound and had a lion on my orc twink XD)Exotics should be more powerful, you used your final few talent points for it instead of Explosive shot (Which I hate that they nerfed yet again…) anyways, thanks for your support and pof :)
Also, could somebody help me in telling me how to get a little picture Icon for my comments? thank you :)
I’d like people to comment on my newest thread, if you would please. It makes an argument for hunters, specifically the most pet-oriented of them all.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661690997&postId=157720096354&sid=1#1
I am now the only hunter main in my guild of 50 accounts. However, there are 8 DK’s, 12 pallies, 8 priests, and down from there. I am lonely. :( I really do not play that much anymore, blizz has seen fit to suck the fun right out of playing for me with all this ridiculous nerfing and ‘wink wink nugde nudge’ type of buffing. This xpac is a mess and in my book a failure in that the class development was SO off that they currently, I believe, don’t know where to go next to fix this class disaster. I’m finding healing on my priest alt more fun lately. That is truly a sad state of affairs.
At this point, I want a rework from the ground up. The current hunt-and-peck ‘fixes’ just aren’t cutting it anymore.
I AM BEING WATCHED TOOOooooooo…. mean hai mania
And Palla I gotta comment something on HotP and Lick your Wounds … They should be made Hunter talents. Why? This way ALL pets benifet from them- if people complain, fine put in something for a regent. Maybe a stone and they have a shared cooldown of 3 minutes so you can’t use them both at the same time- and it’s not to overpowered or underpowered.
This frees up space for a ferocity equivalent of Wolverine Bite- if not Wolverine Bite itself.
Maybe incorperate +40% healing into Silverback or Wild Hunt as 20/40- and make Wild Hunt unhooked from Roar of Sacrifice, or take it out completely since tbh a pvp pet with it is far better than a tank pet. Or better yet take out Taunt, because tbh there are few cases where when I play my pets right, that people get aggro off them. Hell even when they don’t have growl on and aren’t being played right, they can sometimes OT and MT as good as a real OT or MT; sure not as long and not as well, but when healers do realise it’s a bad thing if pet dies and heals BIG RED PET, I really, really love them.
Also Rikaku; you’re not alone. I have a fear of spiders, it’s a strange fear. Not quite aracnaphobia anymore, but it was bad when I was younger. Tho I was never afraid of Jumping spiders, infact I quite love them.
And now I have gotten used to spiders- but they can still cause me fright or make me scream if caught by surprise. But I have to admit I really like the spiders they introduced with TBC, you know the spikey ones. And while they would scare me silly irl. WoW wise I find them oddly beautiful and deadly at the same time..
But I will hurt anyone who makes Hadronax or whatever that damn spider boss is named, tameable- or makes more bone spiders tameable. They give me the heebee jeebees.
And that was the damn boss that damn resto let me die on cause of me bluntly refusing to respecc SV ._.
Ryai:
“And now I have gotten used to spiders- but they can still cause me fright or make me scream if caught by surprise. But I have to admit I really like the spiders they introduced with TBC, you know the spikey ones. And while they would scare me silly irl. WoW wise I find them oddly beautiful and deadly at the same time..”
Aw hell no. I hate them the most. Not because they’re exceptionally scary, but other than the Core Hound they are single handedly the loudest pet in the entire game D=
And shame on that resto! >=/
Ryai and Rikaku:
I also have a huge fear of spiders, the other day there was some brown thing over my bed and I went around screaming “BROWN RECLUSE! BROWN RECLUSE!”
However my fear of spiders actually wants me to get one. That fact that I can tame a spider sort of makes me feel that I conquered my fear. I remember when I actually had a pet spider that I wasn’t as afraid because I was so used to seeing one. I’m not saying that if i had a pet tiger it would make me less afraid, but it worked on spiders for some reason :P that is one reason I am so anxiuous to get them fixed. however the main one is because, quite frankly, web sucks! it could possibly be the worst pet skill if you’re above the 10-19 bgs…
What just made my day? Ill tell you. Im in que for Wintergrasp, and I noticed a hunter in my raid party with a crab. I asked him and he said that crab is his pvp pet. At least im noth the only guy out there that wants creatures with muntiple legs as pets!(Crockolisks, moths, and wasps not included, although they are awesome too :D)
I actually have to agree with Ronken on one point. This expansion hasn’t exactly been well done. I enjoyed from vanilla to Burning Crusade more. There are some interesting and fairly well done parts of this expansion, but class balance is not one of them. That was tossed out the window early on in Wrath planning. I remember when Blizzard would firmly state “We are balancing PvP for 1v1.” Then around Wrath, that changed to “PvP is NOT balanced to 1v1.” That, in my opinion, is a major design change, and has resulted in some classes being far and away better then others in numerous aspects, not just PvP or Arena. It also really didn’t help that they gave death knights pretty much every tool they needed to shut down nearly every class. I’m not saying that as a hunter who got eaten by a death knight, but as a death knight who eats everything else.
The game isn’t what it used to be. In some ways it is better, but in so many ways, it has lost that feel of so long ago. I hate the way the game has been dumbed down to a bare bones version of what it was, and I hate that Blizzard has imbalanced things even further from what they were. It also doesn’t help any that Blizzard doesn’t know how to JUST fix things. When they fixed Beast Master, the broke it to the point of being the weakest of the three trees. When they fixed Survival, they buffed it to the point of overpowered. I might not be so aggrivated about this, but they have test realms for a reason. They just don’t really pay attention, unless it’s a major patch like 3.0 or 3.1. If it isn’t a numbered patch and it contains big changes for a class, expect Blizzard to get it wrong.
Oh, and double, but I totally agree, Ryai. Lick your wounds and heart of the phoenix should probably just be learned automatically at the relevant levels by all three trees.
On the point of the expansion: I love it and hate it. I love it because I’m a casual player who reads every quest (honestly, ask me any topic of an Alliance quest and I can tell you the story of that quest chain!), I /wiki everything I don’t get, I’m a lore-nerd without even reading War of the Ancients O_o Wrath is by far vastly superior to TBC when it comes to quest and leveling experience overall.
And I didn’t hate it at all until Blizzard shat on all Hunter specs,throwing them under a bus. So I can’t say I hate the expansion, rather, I hate what hunter has become.
@Rottingham;
I retamed my Golden Scorpadin not too long ago and leveled him to 80. Was originally going to be my farming/instance fun tanking pet, but now I find I have way better luck in AV and arena with him instead! A well timed macro for charge, intervene, roar, and taunt can really screw up an enemy players targeting (least the less seasoned ones) and buy me some valuable time, or mitigate a big chunk of damage while I’m stunned since you can still control your pet skills during stuns. Anticipating the player refocusing on you to keel back and feign helps too. In effect, my pet becomes my resilience. For a short time anyway, but just enough for when it really matters.
But I wouldn’t recommend it if you’re a BM spec. See, I’ve played a weird SV hunter for over a year now… Course I didn’t start endgame stuff till recently, but you get the idea…
Course it’s sad because my Sholazar Megawasp was supposed to be my pvp pet. Still fun to fight with him too and get the occasional whisper “where’d you get that thing?”
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unrelated, but has the autocast bug, or the brand new “Woah! Where’s my pet bar?” bug been fixed on the latest ptr? Or the wonky HotP issues? Or snake traps? etc. etc.
Saran: I think we got as UNRELATED AS POSSIBLE SO COME ADD TO IT. DO NOT FEAR.
Er I mean- to add what was said; since I’ve also not been on the ptr lately [been levelin farmin on alts and helping Aria, hackers got her :/] and there’s just a bug in general. All a sudden people appear naked to you. They’re still in gear but it’s like they’ve been stripped.
It’s very disturbing.. yet hilarious, to go thru AN halfway with naked orcs tanking.
And as for the pet bar bug- that actually unfortunately is not brand new. IT was tied with TBC era as partly being caused by addons, and unfortunately.. mostly not. So first I would suggest testing with those cause for you maybe hopefully, that’s the problem.
But unfortunately that wasn’t for me- tho atleast solo wise it can easily be fixed aslong as it’s just solo. I use mount/dismount or dismiss pet/call pet/fed pet.
The scary time this bugs? Using HotP in an instance and all a sudden your pet has no pet bar. I’ve been forced in between mana breaks to either dismiss/call pet very quickly, or forced to let pet die and rez pet at next mana break/on the run to the next boss.
Because I don’t use macros controlling my pet and for the most part I can get by with pet on defensive- I only put it on passive like say in Nexus when you’ve gotta have ranged one-two shot [or ten shot] the rift holes on the way to the second boss.
Edit: cauise I didn’t seeeee
‘but other than the Core Hound they are single handedly the loudest pet in the entire game D=’
Well SB and Devilsaurs and Wasps are loud too imo :d
No the wasp is just bloody huge, I’ve never noticed any noise just the hoogeness.
Ok really long thread so didnt read it all and will now add to the length ;)
“Illidius has always been a Beast master, and that he’ll always remain. As a DPS class, you shouldn’t be coralled into just one spec, that’s just stupid. But lately, I really just have the worst suspicion that Blizzard doesn’t know what they are doing anymore.”
Palla pretty much hit the nail on the head. Blizz really doesnt have a clue how the game plays anymore. They are like a juggler juggling chainsaws and have thrown one too many chainsaws into their rotation so now its got really messy!
Adding a new class so late after launch has, rather than breathing new life into the game, actually made it more complicated and disappointing.
They cant balance 9 classes half the time and now they are trying to balance 10.
They are trying to balance both pvp and pve at the same time which will NEVER work based on different classes abilities and mechanics.
They are spending most of their time tweaking classes so even those players with hardened stomachs have gotten sick on the rollercoaster ride of buff/nerf.
Yet they continue to flog a dead horse rather than admit their balancing mistakes thus compounding the problem.
The content is pi$$ poor compared to Vanilla and even BC. At least there was a challenge in BC.
They state this is because many people never saw old content but rather than revisit OLD content to allow players to do that, they develop minimal new content and claim its due to expense they cant develop more.
How difficult would it be to tweak old raid instances to hard versions?!
Achievements are a joke to hide the fact of lack of content. Normal, Hard and Superhard mode is a farce. How many people play video games on easy, normal AND hard mode? Not many once they have completed the game in one of those modes!
So with regards to hunters they cant even balance 3 similar dps specs from one class let alone compared to other classes. They still dont appreciate the pet mechanics and how losing a pet in BM is a huge dps loss compared to MM/SV but still fail to work that into their balance.
(Ive mentioned before about a Merged Pet Beast Form talent or something similar at top end BM talents to solve this issue. i.e. gives alternative role to hunter such as tank or melee dps but also solves pet dying and losing a big chunk of damage. A simple solution to a recurring spec imbalance problem for bosses that are pet unfriendly)
But what makes me laugh even more is rather than tweak numbers up or down they actually mess around with spec mechanics!! Introducing Black Arrow/Immolation traps into SV rotations making us almost like the new ‘Lock on the block. And this is 4 months after the release of the expansion let alone 4 years since the conception of the game. Blizz wonder why people get annoyed when you spend your time gearing and learning one play style only to have half its mechanics change and you now have to start all over again!
Anyway rant over!! Not sure about you guys but my time in WOW is now numbered. I have seen many RL friends who were even more hardcore than me quit in the last month and I expect to see more go sooner rather than later :(
Its not just hunters – Blizz developers seem to have a bias against anything not wearing plate, plus they keep playing take-away so that groups don’t have to have a certain class to raid, so they take windfury from enhancement shamans and let warriors do the same thing while out DPSing the shammys by 2K.
Hunters are pure DPS – we don’t heal (bandages anyone?), we have little to buff a raid, our CC is weak and even our AoE was brutally nerfed – so we’re single target DPS, but Bliz compains that hunters top the charts in DPS. If not Hunters, then who? Should Palys and DKs top the charts with all their other abilities? I would not begrudge a warrior top DPS, if get had no ranged attack and no raid bufs – just pure melee DPS. I could see them being the top melee DPS and Hunters the top ranges DPS.
(Sarcasm alert) Given’s Blizard’s approach why not just give all classess everything? Hunters that heal, Mages that tank, Healers that top the DPS charts, and Ranged DPS champion Palidans?
BM should be tops in DPS – its risk vs. reward. If you take the risk that 1/3 to 1/2 of your DPS can get removed from a fight you should get the reward of top DPS for good pet management (same goes for Demonology Warlocks).
I’m sick of PvP driving everything in this game – if something doesn’t work well in PvP, change the mechanics of how it workds against players, don’t nerf it for PvE.
Also, Exotic pets should be significantly better than regular pets. Why have to be a BM and spend that 51st talent point simply for the privledge of a different pet skin?
Some advice to Blizz developers . . .
1) Every class should have something unique that no other class can bring – that is one reason why people would play certain classes.
2) When a pure DPS class is tops in DPS, its not something that needs to be fixed – ITS WORKING AS DESIGNED.
3) Quit designing the entire game around plate wearers and PvP.
Ok . . . running out of oxygen up here on my soapbox. Just frustrated as hell at some obviously biased developers (must all be Warriors, Palidans & DKs with maybe a few Healers and Mages – every other class gets no love, if not outright hate) trashing a good game.
Ryai:
“Well SB and Devilsaurs and Wasps are loud too imo :d”
I think I said Devilsaurs are loud up at the top somewhere. XD Actually I refuse to use a Devilsaur and/or a Corehound just because they are beyond noisy with their range in which you can hear them. Spirit Beast, he’s loud, but I don’t hear him halfway across the zone XD
And wasp? I have a strict no bug policy! Think of Misty from the original Pokemon series, I hate bugs D=!!!!
But but but Rikaku, Aurelius would never hurt you D: she likes cheeeese. And she’s so pretty D:
Emrsonbigins, it’s not PvP that Blizzard is balancing for. Its the ARENA. Used to when Blizzard made changes, it was with both PvP and PvE in mind, and by PvP I mean world and BG PvP. Sure you might find yourself complaining because PvP got this nerfed or PvE screwed up that, but it was never as bad as it is now. All of the most sweeping changes Blizzard made to classes came when the arena was introduced. When Blizzard tried to tack on their precious E-sport, and tried to make the game revolve around that. Now they have to try to balance TEN classes around THREE aspects: PvP, Arena, and PvE. And pretty much everyone can see the resulting train wreck.
I tamed the MC Corehound back when I was level 75.
It was fun for a while. Once I hit 80 and saw how horribly ineffective the core hound was as a pet, I abandoned it.
Now the Core Hound is synonymous with Huntard. People see you with one they immediately assume you have no idea how to play or any clue as to what the mechanics of your class are.
We are a class that is now only allowed to play one spec. If you play BM for PvP, you will be destroyed and you will immediately switch to SV because it is THE MOST POWERFUL PVP SPEC. If you play BM for PVE, you will be embarrassed by your mediocre DPS and switch to SV to do better because SV is THE MOST POWERFUL PVE SPEC.
Working as intended.
I have to agree with Ryai, On baelgun, if ur in a raiding guild and a horde player, Its either ur Suv Spec or Ur Fail!. Im Bm and i get crapped on alot about not being suv, but if im a heroic or pug with a suv hunter with the same gear as me ( not in full t7 or raid epics ) Im only a bit under them by 300. even i feel that suv needs the nerf bat since their overpowered in pve, and forget pvp, u can be 3 shotted by a suv hunter. but as bm.. ha u be lucky if u can kill any clothies.
Yes I agree we are a pure dps class and the only thing we bring to raids is dps so we should be at the top of the charts. If all classes were equal at dps output then why bring a hunter that has no buffs or food or candy for the raid, whats the point of a hunter is a replaceable dps. Even rouges have a solid cc to bring with them. Ice trap is good but its no sheep.
Honestly I think blizzard has no clue what to do with hunters. Not even one developer has a hunter main, so we have no voice in blizzard.
Classes like hunters need a unique ability to bring to raids, or why bother bringing them at all. We used to be the only misdirection class but now that’s changed, and even ferocious inspiration got nurfed by not stacking with a pallys dmg aura. It just like, “whats the point of playing a hunter anymore, we have been pritty much turned into a solo class that cant solo **it”
The future does not look bright. Perhaps the grass will be greener in a different MMO, but then I would not be playing the class I want to play.
Oh don’t worry. When this patch goes live, I can predict what’ll happen.
1) They will immediately send out patch 3.1.1, which fixed major bugging issues (Not autocast errors, don’t be ridiculous~)
2) Patch 3.1.2 comes out, rebalancing some classes that they failed to address at all (since yanno, Ulduar is out).
Where will Hunter be? Who knows. XD
Rikaku, I can only hope that if this cut goes live, that a 3.1.1 or 3.1.2 fixes at least some problems..
then i remember we are hunters the most over looked class Blizz has (at least they over look us) so maybe a 3.1.5 or 3.2 be more like it
I think the hunter changes come down to one thing, a lack of vision and understanding.
Remember,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gScoX4c4mmw
It was so funny because it was true. The nearly random flailing, contradictory comments and general WTF of the actions at Blizzard with hunters shows how little they ‘get’ whats going on.
Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw reviewing AoC said it best when he was talkiing about class balance, “Making it all balanced is akin to squeezing the bubbles out of freshly applied wallpaper while riding a unicycle.”
Not only do they need to balance 10 classes, with each other. But in 3 different areas. Every possible combination. That idea just makes my head hurt. Yet thats what their paid to do and they deliver horribly on it, and don’t seem motivated to pop their heads up and see whats what.
“And Eyonix says that he will bring up the discrepancy between the Call Stabled Pet cooldown and the (lack of) dual spec switching cooldown with the developers, although he’s “not sure if it’s going to be seen as a concern”.”
From the Blizzard site on Dual Spec,
“The minimum level to use this feature has been lowered to 40.”
They really think the pet doesn’t matter to your spec. Isn’t the stable pet ability not given for 20-40 more levels? Though how many level 40′s are goign to have 1k in gold? Only alts and those that buy from Farmers.
Depending on the server, saving up 1k gold back in the 40s isn’t as hard as you think. Now saving up a hundred gold back in classic years ago by level 40 for you rmount, that’s another story…
But yeah, time/goldsinking =(
And remember, for a long time, BM could trounce SV hunters in PvP, and PvE, so think of this as the swinging of the pendulum. It’ll go back the other way I’m sure. Sorry but the crying in here is getting downright silly over the last couple of days…
I do agree though, the balancing for major gaming league crap is beyond dumb. But that’s just IMHO…
“They really think the pet doesn’t matter to your spec. Isn’t the stable pet ability not given for 20-40 more levels? Though how many level 40’s are goign to have 1k in gold? Only alts and those that buy from Farmers.”
Honestly, I don’t even know why they lowered it to 40. Personally, if you’re at lvl 40 (and since this is a Hunter blog, I mean lvl 40 Hunters), why would you even need the dual spec system? Druids, Shamans and other hybrids I could understand, but not Hunter. Much less the Call Stabled pet. Maybe leveling has changed since my main hunters’ days (hey she’s old XD 4 years old is old for a WoW toon), but if you’re just leveling literally any pet can handle the leveling/solo pet job, not just Tenacity.
“And remember, for a long time, BM could trounce SV hunters in PvP, and PvE, so think of this as the swinging of the pendulum. It’ll go back the other way I’m sure. Sorry but the crying in here is getting downright silly over the last couple of days…”
No, they crying in here hasn’t been silly. I don’t see any commentor saying “I want BM to be tops and I want it now!” No one wants BM to be the end all spec. No one wants SV to be the end all spec. The crying isn’t because BM isn’t on top anymore, the crying is because Blizzard is failing to listen to the justified questions, concerns and comments of the PTR community about ALL hunter specs. Considering Blizz is still recovering from the mistake of Hunters’ recent Over-nerf, this is a blatant re-slap in the face. The least they could do is justify the changes.
Ah. logged on to find somebody ACTUALLY with a pet wind serpent. and it wasn’t even an outlands one, it was the regular orange colored one. The hunter said that it was the only pet he has every kept from lvl 17-80. He said that he’s so attached to him that he just couldn’t let him go. It’s good to see people sticking wiith thier old pets :)
Saranette:
Good for you getting a scorpid! I’ve actually seen some hyenas more often then them. I remember my first scorpid… but then I had to get rid of him because i couldn’t stand the squeling noise he made >.< (I can stand it now, just not when I first tamed a scorpid. I can even stand it when somebody has the ghost hydra next to me) I think that was the same reason I got rid of my spider when they were “Kings of the Ring” in BGs. anyways, I’m glad that it works out well for you and I’m happy that you posted to me :) TY!
Good point on Arena Palla. I personally hate PvP because its not a fair fight for someone geared for PvE. There shouldn’t be a mechanic (i.e. Resiliance) where one person can have it and totally pwn you when you’re out grinding and some PvP douche runs through your AoE and pulls your into PvP and obliterates your ass.
My opinion? PvE and world PvP should work exactly the same. Resiliance and PvP gear should be for Arena and maybe Battleground where everyone is there for the same purpose.
I’ve found myself spending less and less time on WoW since 3.0.8, because the changes are a little depressing, not exciting. The NERF fest is getting old.
I loathe Arena. Why make PvP epics also require arena points? Just make separate arena gear. It’s not like Blizz isn’t rolling in cash, you would think they could afford to hire some folks to expand the game.
Where is the patch? I thought I saw a downtime announcement and assumed it would be today…
I JUST DONT WANT TO HAVE TO BE SV WHEN I FARM EMBLEMS FOR FROZEN ORBS FOR MY GUILD ;-;
That’s not whining to be top end in everything. Sure it was fun being epix in pvp and pve- but I can live without pvp epix as I never really liked pvp after lv 60, to many idiots half the time and to many alliance and not enough horde who knew wtf to do- and at 80 it just gets worse for all hunters half the time.
But that’s not the point- I just don’t want to have to bash my face in with dual speccing SV, to get groups, and not get blacklisted or taunted or ignored or shamed or anything because I am BM and I am proud to have a Corehound for my last pet.
BUT THEY WILL PAY! YOU KNOW HOW?
AURELIUS. GIANT. WASP. IN. FACE.
Punishment ahaha… aha.. ha..
._.
/emocorner
*pats Ryai* It’s okay! Everythings gonna be okay!
*shudders in fear at the wasp*
Freakin’ bugs D=
*watches as Rikaku shudders in fear at the wasp*
What are you guys talking about? not all wasps are that big. actually, I’d rather have a firefly wasp rather then the boss model, they look cooler.
*hi-fives Blacksting*
Ryai:
Don;t worry, I’m with you. If spiders are ever improved me and you can go give Giant Wasp and Giant Lava Spider in the face of those noobs! those blacklisters/taunters/shunners/shamers/ignorers will never know what hit them, unless they see the Bestal wasp and tarantula running at them beforehand. then they might see what’s hitting them… well at least they’ll die…
“Honestly I think blizzard has no clue what to do with hunters. Not even one developer has a hunter main, so we have no voice in blizzard.”
Hey this is exactly how us Druids feel, particularly Balance. Ferals have their mechanics changed every patch, Balance (My spec) gets nerfed into the ground and mystriously compared resto gets to trundle along as usual and once again they flatly ignored how BAD the mana regen nerf and LB nerf will hit… Balance! Swines.
See this is why I love my Hunter alts (More so now all my gear and what not has been refunded), I can tame things because I think they look COOL. It’s such a stupidly minor thing and Ryai gets at me a lot for it but still. There’s a few exceptions, I’d love a white croc and a scarlet hound but the animations grate, why’d the croc HAVE to have a practial seizure when moving it sucks :/
Though that said, hell I just want a Devilsaur in revenge for all thes time they stepped on me rather than OMG GIANT DINOSAUR. But then I’m the same eprson who sporadically makes gnome alts to send them plummeting into IF’s forge so maybe I’m a tad wierd :) But being than a Hunter is not my main I giuess my newbie antics are a nice change.
Rikaku you said: “if you’re at lvl 40 (and since this is a Hunter blog, I mean lvl 40 Hunters), why would you even need the dual spec system? Druids, Shamans and other hybrids I could understand, but not Hunter. Much less the Call Stabled pet. Maybe leveling has changed since my main hunters’ days (hey she’s old XD 4 years old is old for a WoW toon), but if you’re just leveling literally any pet can handle the leveling/solo pet job, not just Tenacity.”
Hello! Enjoyable reading as always but this is I a small point I wanted to throw in an opinion on. I think all you hunter superstars that I enjoy reading posts from and who are teaching me a lot about this game and my class sometimes forget about us ‘little’ levelling hunters. I agree that dual specs will go unused by first time player hunters due to lack of funds and more specifically due to lack of requirement and even folks with alts will probably never see a need for it until end game. However called stable pet is a completely different ball of tenacity pet dung in my view. *grin*
As a first timer reading all of these websites and learning about the ins and outs of being a hunter I have no desire to grab one pet and level in order to just get through the beginning content. If I did, I would guess that I would probably end up earning the ‘huntard’ title in spades and having no idea what I was doing once I got there. Personally I have been playing for 2 months and am now only level 51. I have 4 pets. I usually keep all of them within about 2 ranks of me and each other. I enjoy questing and ‘hunting’ with each of them as I explore the old world and learn about the game. I pause at each bracket and PvP in BGs and try out various things with my pets and skills there. I am having a blast.
My turtle Fortinbras has 4.5k+ HP and 5.5k+ armour and he is anxiously awaiting on thunderstomp as my tank (we soloed a level 54 elite giant last night and he never dipped below 80% health). Ophelia my hyena already has over 80 DPS and she chews face on and off the BGs. Lobocarcinus is my BGing crab and I love watching him charge in to pinch someone to a screeching halt. I also have Enobarbus the spider who is there to teach me about cunning pets and who will be set free once I get exotics.
My point in all of this (I almost forgot I had one for a second) is that I am trying to maximize my game experience even during my first climb to 80. And right now I am constantly hearthing, flying and trekking back and forth to stable masters. I CAN’T WAIT for call stabled pet. Next time if I am letting Lobo out to stretch his pinchers and run into an elite giant and I want to see how Forti can handle him I won’t have to go all the way back and make the switch. Once Enobarbus levels up I would like to switch him for one of the other 3 without having to travel. I am sure you folks all get my point despite my trying to disguise it in a wall of text.
So please remember that for a few of us slowbie lowbies we have valid reasons and concerns for these new abilities as well. Sometimes the community is guilty of only putting out info assuming that you are level 80 or in a breakneck rush to get there (try and find info on shot rotations and weaving steady shot effectively as soon as you get it at 50 and before you get the haste talent…). And I understand the reason why that is – this is just MY whiney input *wink*. You folks generally don’t fall into the category of forgetting anyone which is yet another of the reasons why I enjoy reading this so much! So thanks again and don’t forget us ‘little’ people – yes my toon is a dwarf.
Cheers,
Ryinnik
Rynnik:
Just as a for-warning, I just woke up so uh if I don’t really make sense, give me 2 hours and I’ll make more sense O_o
“Hello! Enjoyable reading as always but this is I a small point I wanted to throw in an opinion on. I think all you hunter superstars that I enjoy reading posts from and who are teaching me a lot about this game and my class sometimes forget about us ‘little’ levelling hunters. I agree that dual specs will go unused by first time player hunters due to lack of funds and more specifically due to lack of requirement and even folks with alts will probably never see a need for it until end game. However called stable pet is a completely different ball of tenacity pet dung in my view. *grin*”
I’m not saying Call Stabled pet isn’t completely unnessecary. Nor do I ever forget the little guys (I don’t offend anyone saying that, do I?) XD Truth is, at any point in time, I’m leveling a Hunter. I have about 22 different hunter alts (not counting my main!) that are literally at every different bracket of levels possible.
Now, perhaps I worded that wrong (and in fact, I posted while a little pissy from reading the forums on WoW). I’m just sayings it not completely necessary. Obviously if you’re queing for BG’s and then soloing, sure you may need a different pet. However, I’m bringing this up from the majority standpoint that most of the time people get a cat or wolf or other high dps pet, and then level with that pet regardless of what they’re doing. And there’s no “veteran” hunter who only does that. What I meant about mentioning my hunter as being old (and thus her leveling not really a good example) is because she leveled back in the day where some pets did Shadow Damage and had 1.0 Attack Speeds. Now my alts (which at the last time I played them was 4 days ago) have a much more valid leveling experience.
“And right now I am constantly hearthing, flying and trekking back and forth to stable masters. I CAN’T WAIT for call stabled pet.”
Now I’m not saying they shouldn’t implement the new stuff, so perhaps I worded it wrong. Now, my problem with Dual Specs and the Call Stabled Pet isn’t that they’re useless, but that soon after implmemention, I just *know* I’m going to see Hunters complain about the price of Dual Specs at lvl 40. And that’s something I generally get annoyed about. I get annoyed when players start complaining about a new system and act as if it is completely necessary at the earliest level.
So while I apologize that perhaps since I’m a “veteran” player, I think things are easier. I wasn’t trying to say it shouldn’t be implemented, but rather, that it’s not that big of a deal since it’s really only saving you a trip to the Stable Master, tho I admit in Azeroth that *is* a big deal.(And just what level is Call Stabled Pet? I bet if it’s 80 I’m gonna see people complain about that). And I think I sympathize with the dev’s about it “not being a big deal” since once you hit 70, you’ll find Northrend has more stable masters at just about every leveling outpost.
Hmm does this make any sense? I need some hot chocolate @_@
22 Hunter Alts!!! Wow, wow and wow. Oh, and wow. I can’t decide whether to back off in awe, amazement and a little bit of fear at the crazy person, or officially make you my new hero. *grin* No wonder you folks have so much great experience to pass along! No offense intended! I just surprised that is even possible.
Well, hopefully you are enjoying your morning and your hot chocolate. So let me say that I think my complaints lined up perfectly with a minor comment on your post and having read your latest we are in agreement. But that won’t stop me from posting more, primarily because I now work in a boring office job and enjoy sinking some ‘work’ hours into this pass time (I am government so I can get away with it, *grin*)
I agree that we will see complaints over the cost of hunter dual specs at level 40 and I completely support your assessment that this is unreasonable as: first timers like me who can’t afford it don’t need it, I am experimenting and can’t pull my head out far enough to come up with one good spec – much less 2. And those that want and can use it ie. a levelling hunter alt with a spec for Levelling and a spec for PvP can afford and fund it from their main. Super gamers on their first time who are infinitely smarter than me and can figure it out and want it, can be smart enough to find a way to earn the 1000g. Check – well done designers.
However, in my opinion the as you say, “I’m bringing this up from the majority standpoint that most of the time people get a cat or wolf or other high dps pet, and then level with that pet regardless of what they’re doing.” is only the situation for an alt. Of course this is a biased opinion based on 2 months of playing and my naturally twisted personality. Am I way off base here? If so I retract all comments and will turn this into a whine about people missing a great aspect of the game as a levelling hunter! However, if my example can be extrapolated to the wider audience I am hoping you hunter hero types will back me up in my minor beef. I think that beyond the synergy with dual specs which is in itself of doubtful value to a ‘little’ hunter, Call Stabled Pet will be a huge asset to us still trudging around Azeroth.
I might just need to suck it up, and maybe under evaluation the travel aspect of what I am doing is part of the fun (I am doubtful) and is the way you folks had to do it (maybe why people resorted to only one DPS pet and done with it?!?). But I don’t mind travelling for ammo and to empty bags as I mitigate those through balancing various factors and live with my decisions. The more frequent trip to see how one of my other ‘halves’ of my character is doing is essential and not a choice in the game for me and therefore is much more annoying. And truthfully it is a dissatisfier only because there is relief in sight with the up coming patch…
So I hope I have managed to ‘QQ’ with the best of them!
Thanks for sharing you time and thoughts – even pre hot chocolate.
Cheers,
Ryinnik
I apologise for the double post but I forgot:
“(And just what level is Call Stabled Pet? I bet if it’s 80 I’m gonna see people complain about that)”
Sorry Rikaku, yes. However, I promise to try and be constructive and only the littlest bit whiney and hide my ‘I shouldn’t have to work for anything’ sense of entitlement as much as possible! :-P And for all the reasons I gave above. However, I don’t see how dual spec can be implemented without this?
Easily. With a little foresight and ingenuity. Useful for learning boss patterns when the boss hates pets, but fairly useless beyond that. Part of the problem, in my opinion anyway, is why should certain DPS classes have to respec for just one boss fight? This is why they gave mages frostfire bolt, to avoid problems like that. For leveling your never more then a few minutes away from a stable, so even if we did get it earlier….. *Sighs and shrugs* It isn’t a bad idea, mind you. Dual speccing and call stabled pet will serve to make things easier. But I guess thats part of my problem, really. Call me old fashioned or old school or what have you, but I kinda miss when you had to really plan out your spec, and when you had to know what you were doing. If you were going to tank, you were going to spec tanking, practice tanking, and be as capable a tank as your class allowed. You were going to gather tanking gear, and you certainly weren’t going to roll on any DPS gear the DPS’ers needed. If you were DPS, then that was what you focused on. If you were a healer, that was your game. Could you respec? Sure! And most people did. But just as many people simply made a second class to fill their other needs or wants.
Now it seems like everyone is building a DPS, tanking, and healing set all at the same time. Even WITH all the little things Blizzard is tossing in, no one seems to want to tank or heal anyway. The two pet ((Or can we say three now, with ghouls?)) using classes are still punished badly on AoE heavy fights ((They seem to have boosted AoE damage JUST to compensate for avoidance)) and Blizzard is still proving that they have no idea what the word ‘balance’ means, and the player base seems to some how grow less intelligent every day.
Long story short, dual speccing is nice, but if it comes down to it, I’d rather have a dedicated tank or healer over some one who only specced in because they had to.
Ryinnik:
Everytime I go over a post i make in the morning, I always go “Why the **** did I type like this? It’s so unintelligible!” and then people amaze me by understanding it XD
But now I’ve had my chocolate (ohohoho~<3) so I can function.
“22 Hunter Alts!!! Wow, wow and wow. Oh, and wow. I can’t decide whether to back off in awe, amazement and a little bit of fear at the crazy person, or officially make you my new hero. *grin* No wonder you folks have so much great experience to pass along! No offense intended! I just surprised that is even possible.”
*cough* I say D, All of the Above. Honestly, I must not be sane. I really am not. I have other non-hunter alts though! Really! I have a druid and a warlock and even a Shaman! But my problem is, I love *leveling*. I am addicted to quests like you wouldn’t believe. And everytime I level my druid, and a Hunter with an Eagle passes me by. I stare in awe and then realize I miss my pets and go running back to Hunter. Which leads to a multitude of Hunters.
And just what *is* my favorite part of Hunter? Getting the pet farthest possible from me for my lvl 10 Hunter. My taurens get Timber from Dun Morogh, Orcs & Trolls get Teldrassil Owls, Night Elves get Lynxs from Blood elves, etc. etc.
I think I’m a masochist…
“However, in my opinion the as you say, “I’m bringing this up from the majority standpoint that most of the time people get a cat or wolf or other high dps pet, and then level with that pet regardless of what they’re doing.” is only the situation for an alt. Of course this is a biased opinion based on 2 months of playing and my naturally twisted personality. Am I way off base here? If so I retract all comments and will turn this into a whine about people missing a great aspect of the game as a levelling hunter!”
Well, when I leveled hunter (my Main), pretty much you could level with just about anything. I grabbed a cat at level 10 and stuck with it til 60. Same thing when I leveled through Outlands 60-70 (Cat all the way again). And once more in Northrend (Cat til 80). Since I’ve leveled through every pet-patch there’s been in WoW, from my experience at level 1-80, whatever pet you use just doesn’t seem to make a difference. Even when I was a noob (and Yes, I was a serious noob, at lvl 8 I thought I could tame a Deadmines Pirate’s Parrot! (Part of the reason I rolled hunter was to attempt that *cough*)) no matter what pet a Hunter had, they seemed to always be the leveling master. Elites? Ok some elites are ridiculous, others, it seems a Hunter can solo with their eyes closed.
I also don’t think leveling with one pet is an “alt thing”. Putting my personal example aside for the moment, I know many friends who have begun to play Hunters who are not well-versed in Hunter at all (I say newbs cause they are newbies), and they have had no problem grabbing a lvl 10 Cat or wolf and leveling with that one pet. Currently they’re in Borean Tundra, and they actually refuse to get a new pet cause they love that first pet so much lol. They haven’t had any problems (and other than run them through dungeons I haven’t helped them), so I think it is safe to say that it’s not just an alt thing.
I don’t think it’s something you have to retract any comment for. I think it just comes down to playstyle. Some players go all out (Hey, I treat my dailies like a Heroic) in a mob, some are a bit more relaxed. Some like having super dps pets, some like using tank-pets. There’s nothing wrong with either way (having more than 1 pet while you level, or having a million pets while you level); all is the way of the hunter. Regardless of the pet, regardless of the spec, keep in mind Hunter pets are the ONLY pets with Talent points. They’re the closest to a real player any pet/minion has come out of the pet classes (Demo warlock, unholy DK). So regardless of whether you’re leveling with your Silvermoon Dragonhawk, your Teldrassil Cat, or if you’re camping a Devilsaur or Spirit Beast to round out your stable slots; the Hunter experience is travelling with a pet, regardless of size, style, or species.
Will Call Stabled Pet (Ok, I’m just calling is CSP from now on) helpful to those still leveling their first toons?
Gods yes! I’m not saying it’s not helpful. In fact, I don’t think the Dual Spec system could even touch hunters unless it’s implemented.
Rather, when I say I don’t want to hear whining, it’s this I don’t want to hear. I don’t want to see Joe Schmoe whining about the price of Dual Specs cause he absolutely has to have it on his lvl 40 Hunter (because somehow, he has to run Zul’Furrak as MM and not BM, or vice versa). I really hate hearing people complain about a new system that they absolutely must have at lvl 40.
It’s nice, it’s useful, but again, if it’s your first time leveling and you’re not 70+, you really don’t need the DS feature. CSP on the other hand, you would need if you gotDS feature. (Personally, I won’t. BM4Life baby <3 XD)
“However, I don’t see how dual spec can be implemented without this?”
Well yes, Dual Spec *needs* Call Stabled Pet. I don’t disagree at all. But here’s the thing. Do you absolutely, postively *have* to change a spec so much at lvl 40 that you need to swap pets? You don’t even get Exotic BM pets (or the extra 4 talents) til 61. So at the earliest I’d argue 61 you get CSP.
I believe that’s why the devs are saying “it’s not an issue”. Regardless of your Hunter spec, you’re DPS. And at lvl 40-70 (I’d argue personally 40-79), your spec isn’t a huge issue because you’re just DPSing dungeons (not even Heroics), maybe some PvP here and there, but you’re not really in any situation where you need Dual Spec like a particular Heroic or Raid-boss fight. Instead, at lvl 40, you’re really using it for convenience.
So in short:
Am I saying we shouldn’t have CSP: No! We need it!
Do I believe Dual Spec needs CSP: Yes!
Do I believe a lvl 40 Hunter needs Dual Spec: No, but it’d be convenient.
Do I believe a lvl 40 Hunter who has Dual Spec needs CSP: No, because you don’t even need Dual Spec at this level in the first place (as it really won’t make much of a difference until 61), but it’d be convenient.
Does that make sense? I can’t read my own talk….XD
Great conversation. Thanks.
I have analysed my own arguments and will withdraw my disgruntlement to CSP (thank goodness we shortened this) potentially not being accessible to me. This is because critically examining what I am saying boils down to me being a pet junky and wanting to maximize this aspect of my play!!! As I stated I consider my pets to each be the other half of my character and since I have 3 of them that I am really attached to, I have 4 halves. That is right I am quantifiably stating I get 2 x the enjoyment out of this game and enjoy being a hunter with my pets twice as much as I would enjoy any other class… *grin* But enough being a jackass. That was really my beef was that the game mechanics weren’t catering to what you have nicely pointed out is a quirk of my playing style. I completely agree that I don’t need the different pets and I do use each one of them for everything in turn and never have ANY problems (though I have never bothered taking my turtle in the BGs). I can level with ease and am consistently attacking instances or quests 4 or 5 levels ahead of my peers in other classes even with my lowly (just another personal quirk) spider. I only have all of them and use them as I do because that is what I like best. I am not going to join the ranks of those whining about an 11 million subscriber based game not changing for personal whims.
So I will continue to use all four pets and maintain all of them at about my level, and will count myself lucky to enjoy what I am doing despite the extra trips back and forth to accomplish this.
“So in short:
Am I saying we shouldn’t have CSP: No! We need it!
Do I believe Dual Spec needs CSP: Yes!
Do I believe a lvl 40 Hunter needs Dual Spec: No, but it’d be convenient.
Do I believe a lvl 40 Hunter who has Dual Spec needs CSP: No, because you don’t even need Dual Spec at this level in the first place (as it really won’t make much of a difference until 61), but it’d be convenient.
Does that make sense?”
You my friend make perfect sense. I was complaining about convenience, I have stopped. HUA as my American colleges like to say: Heard, Understood, Acknowledged.
However, just because I am like that I will continue to add fuel to discussions. My biased logical analysis of dual specs and CSP from Blizzards perspective is as follows:
A bunch of factors lead to the decision for dual specs. Once dual specs are a given it is now fair for anyone to go to BG anywhere as certain players don’t have to trudge back home to change gear and specs making them disgruntled. But wait BM hunters could loose their exotic pet – easy fix we will give them CSP.
A bunch of factors lead to the decision for dual specs to be accessible at level 40. Still fair for everyone to access BG from anywhere. Hunters don’t NEED CSP as previously decided due to exotics until at least level 61. What level should we make CSP? Well if they want a PvP pet separate from a PvE pet they have to trudge back home to change pets making them disgruntled. Let’s just give it to them at 40 as well.
Personally, I say why would I change specs? I will be BM regardless. I am no where near raiding, and I frankly just am not good enough to sort out the difference it makes in PvE and PvP at this point since I personally will be BM in either. I just want to change my pets and utilise their awesome power as I do whatever it is I happen to be doing. (This will all change eventually – I am learning and I think learning well thanks to people like you. I WILL be one of the awesome hunter powerhouses that you folks are some day. I am just taking my sweet time getting there and have a penchant for trial and error.) Yes, I have a type A, slightly obsessive, stubborn personality – ask my poor wife.
Sorry for not directly responding Palladiamors. Frankly you scare me a bit, I don’t disagree, and don’t really have anything that would enhance what you said.
Getting through to the end of the work day! *grin*
Ryinnik
Ryinnik:
Indeed, I enjoy a good discussion as well. My guild doesn’t really want me to get into Hunter discussions (only cause theres 2 of us Hunters who could literally go on for hours) XD So I have to vent here.
“I WILL be one of the awesome hunter powerhouses that you folks are some day. I am just taking my sweet time getting there and have a penchant for trial and error.”
You don’t want to know how slow I am getting from X8 -X0. 58-60, 68-70, 78-80 are like my slowest levels in each end cap. i don’t know why. My hunter alts only take about a month to get to 60 casually. My main took me almost a year cause I took my time. Trust me, take your time. It’s so worth it to enjoy the content.
“As I stated I consider my pets to each be the other half of my character and since I have 3 of them that I am really attached to, I have 4 halves.”
I totally understand that. It’s the #1 reason I never go un-BM. I love my pets too much. Heero (my spirit Beast) has always been my main pet. He’s uh.. evolved over the years (From The Rake, to Broken Tooth, to Grovestalker Lynx and then to Loque’nahak) even though I do not play on an RP realm. I just have a person attachment to the personality that those mobs share in my eyes XD Thus my main (who I’m actually bored of Night Elf XD) can never be retired cause of her pets LOL
*LAUGHS* I am sorry, I don’t mean to scare you. I guess I might come off as a bit negative or forceful. Sorry about that! I’m just a long time player who is a bit tired of some of Blizzards more annoying habits.
Hunter powerhouses? *Chuckles* It’s just a matter of knowing how to play your character. I am no elitist, but I do believe in using a little intelligence in your playstyle. Yes, it’s a game and you should enjoy it. But some of the stupidity I have seen just…..wow. Just do your best, and use your brain, and you’ll do fine, my friend.
Illidius has had a wolf and cat beside him from pretty much day one. I tamed a named cat around Darnassus, and I tamed Timber south of Ironforge. Wolves may be awesome pets now, but they were mainly tamed for looks back then. So I picked a white one. Later on, when I discovered the fun shadow damage glitch on Lupos, I immediately tamed her, and have had her since 24 or so. I use my pets because I want to use them, because I enjoy using them. Not because they are the best. Illidius has a wolf, a cat, a silithid, a rhino, and a devilsaur. The devilsaur, well, I’d been saying for years I wanted to tame one, and watching him stomp around eating people amuses me greatly. Everything else I just tamed and grew attached to. *Laughs*
Anyway, do what you want to do. Spec how you want to spec. Play how you want to play. But have fun with it. Taking or asking for friendly advice, thats one thing. But don’t let people force you into a style of play, or make you feel like you have to have a certain pet. By way of example I wouldn’t nessecarily recommend taking a tenacity pet into an instance you don’t plan to take, thunderstomp will still make that a bit more viable.
Rikaku, for some reason level 29 kills me. And the fourties. If I can make it past the fourties, everything else flies by. But for some reason, the early to mid fourties just…..don’t pass. At all.
I am definitely enjoying the content, enjoying this class, my pixel pets, and the people in communities like this. Thanks. I have made it my mission to get some other hunters in the small new guild I belong too. There was one other, but he caught the alt bug and is now solely responsible for half the characters in the guild under level 20. *grin*
I am glad you enjoy your spirit beast! I seem to only like the ‘common’ skins and go out of my way to tame only the pets that look most like real world animals for some psychological reason I don’t care to understand (I commiserated with Rottingham’s points above and personally will never tame a cat, gorilla, or spirit beast because I am silly like that). That is the beauty of our many choices for pets and the versatility of all of us being in this game.
Whew, Palladiamors. I thought based on your sense of humour from previous posts I had read that I could get away with saying that. Give me about a year at level 80 and lots of end game and raiding experience and we will discuss circles around each other until the cows come home.
Works done! What a productive day. Time to head home and then get ready to play some WoW once I get the little one to bed…
Cheers,
Ryinnik
@ Palla
For me usually lv 1-35/40 is a breeze. Then the stall cannon hits and I forget wait where do I go next, oh I cvan go do this..
then 45/50 is the next stall cannon. I finally remembered Hinterlands as I stopped questing there mostly as THE TROLLS THERE ARE EVIL AND GIVE NO REP!!!
But finding it like face rolling to level my paladin there. I was a bit nervous cause he was lv 46 when I got there and the turtles were all orange… then it was AM I DOIN IT RITE as I just slaughtered turtle after turtle after turtle…
then I was mass pulling 2-5 mobs for killing the ‘high elves’ wolves and owlbeasts and just laughing my head off. It is far, far easier than when I try and kill a orange level mob with my hunters- sure I miss a bit and some holy damage is resisted but it’s just eeevuuuuull how quickly I’m gunning things down.
… tho damn the mana breaks are killing me as badly as when the nerf to mana regen overall hit that first time when boars broke.
… dayum we went way off topic.
“… dayum we went way off topic.”
I can put us back on topic? Wanna see!
*whoosh*
New PTR build tonight!!
Dun dun dun! Let’s hope there’s some good hunter goods. xD
Actually, I guess that would be back on topicish….. *Laughs* And whats wrong with off topic?!
Palla:
Nothing XD My whole life is off topic!
You know, I’m playing my druid right now, and my friend is helping, I can’t help but think to myself “so this is what my pet feels like” as I level druid XD
Speaking of leveling, I need to find a good leveling spot, my ghost wolf and warp stalker want lvl 80 already XD
lolwhat there’s another new build?
haven’t been on the PTR lately if you could tell :d
Hm, well Rikaku, outside of instances [which are damn good for leveling pets], I’d have to suggest places such as Storm Peaks where there’s no other hunters/players around and just mask it up as grinding food mats. WoWhead should have a few good places where there’s rhinos or mammoths running around- and depending on the phasing level with the Brunhilder/Hodir quests, the mammoths and jourmungers seem to have a decent [if not insanely fast] respawning time.
I just find it so amusing how MM still remains the red-headed child of the huntering family. Throughout TBC, I recieved a LOT of grief for being MM and now people totally forget about MM as they talk about only BM and SV! Now, I have nothing against those specs – I have three hunters, one each spec. Yes, I’m levelling them that way – I made my first toon in ’05 and levelled her as MM from level 10. I’ll NEVER change her (but I will dual spec MM/SV because I just looooove to trap dance) and I’m levelling a hunter as SV so far (almost level 30; only three months old. Not bad for a college student, eh?). Oddly enough, I found my BM hunter as the most boring, though I suppose it’s because I’m used to pushing a bazillion buttons as a MM not just three or four as a BM. :)
Okay, I’m sorry to say, but I’ve had this bone to pick with a lot of the people out there nowdays: please, please, PLEASE… stop with the “PVP spec, PVE spec, leveling spec, and raiding spec” nonsense. You CAN level with ANY spec – it only takes patience (and some skill, too. I rarely, if ever, grabbed aggro off my wolf on my MM throughout the last four years, even when I’m using all the yummy MM special shots. I just pew-pew and FD/disengage [OMG I LOVE DISENGAGE SO MUCH FUN]).
Erm… *cough* Yeah, I guess I got my point across? Yes, there are a “better” spec for leveling/PVP/PVE/raiding, whatever, but it’s doable with all specs. (Leveling, though, I’ll be slightly loose on; I understand that a lot of players, unlike me, simply do not enjoy leveling and therefore would love to level as quickly as possible. And I won’t get upset at the min/maxers because it’s fun to them, though not to me.)
Seriously, it’ll make me a happy, happy, happy cow if people stop ignoring/make fun of MM (though I really appericate how considerable of MM you guys are! You make me happy :D – it’s mostly the comments from readers on BRK’s site that saddens me) and somehow lessen (if not stop entirely) that habit of “only one spec to go for leveling/PVP/PVE/raiding, OMG!” (Particularly leveling. PVP/PVE/raiding doesn’t bother me as much.)
(I hope I don’t come across as a prick because honestly, I do like all three specs – I just like MM more because there’s more to do [and c'mon, my main, born in the '05 and continues to be my main in '09 had been a MM all her life. It's hard to break the habit, y'know?].)
(Happy huntering! It’s not the end of the world! :D)
@ Watermist
‘Okay, I’m sorry to say, but I’ve had this bone to pick with a lot of the people out there nowdays: please, please, PLEASE… stop with the “PVP spec, PVE spec, leveling spec, and raiding spec” nonsense. You CAN level with ANY spec – it only takes patience’
Actually tbh atm, it is like that. BM is a leveling specc, as you do NOT need to really worry about gear while leveling up. I mean Ryai mostly had quest gear and a couple pvp items when she hit outlands. And I was forced to trundle along without getting anything better than pvp epix cause of computer problems and such ilk.
I found, when I was leveling Rosa as MM before I switched her to BM due to the boar breaking incident [and mana poof problems], that it was good but I still needed that boar- [as I had a cat, and unfortunately anything > cat for the most part for aggro but boar was the best att], and I found that she was very gear dependant. I found myself well looking for the next gear upgrade I could manage to obtain with help from friends or the horrible thought of pugging something..
As SV, again Rosa before I hit sixty, I found that I really didn’t like it- sure I killed mobs dead, but it didn’t fit my playstyle, and again it is very gear dependant I hear, and well even more so and tbh I don’t want to worry about gear.
But atm this is not what we were talking about or complaining about even.
Though atm I have to say MM and SV are the raiding/PVP specs atm, unfortunately, thanks to Blizzard. And so far BM has been reduced to the adopted child, who is only good for solo, leveling and grinding.
/sigh.
BM is also good for farming too ryai… but other than that i agree 100% with ryai… sorry watermist
Ok, I give up on Blizzard. This is officially, taking the fun out of things. Apparently no more rhino-fun.
“Pet
* Stampede (Rhino) no longer knockbacks the target but causes it to take 25% additional damage from bleed effects for 1 min instead.
* Spore Cloud range was increased from 5 to 6 yards.”
-latest build
Rikaku.i think someone mentioned that the old rhino skill would have knocked things out of range of the thunderstomp talent?the bleed effect seems kind of pointless outside of groups though.unless theyre thinking of adding some bleeding shot thing for hunters…
*twitches* *Pauses* *Twitches* !@#$ that. I LOVED stampede. Now it is a worthless piece of crap. *Takes a deep breath* WHAT THE !@#$ DO I NEED INCREASED BLEED DAMAGE FOR IN SOLO OR EVEN PVP OR PVE PLAY?! I think ONE of the !@#$ing bleed classes, rogues, don’t have a way to make bleeds more effective. What the bloody !@#$ing !@#$ do we need that crap for? Also within the patch notes! For the first time ever, TWO trees have the same bloody talent. The warriors arms tree just got the ability to use charge in combat.
I am sorry. Honestly if you’d heard me swearing in life, you’d thought I had tourettes or however that’s spelled. But I LOVED stampede. I was willing to accept a toned down stampede, making it single target, but whatever the new stampede is, it isn’t good. It’s total crap. The only thing that might make it even semi-worthwhile is if it has it’s cooldown lowered drastically.
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It’s cause I share Palla’s sentiment, only I cannot edit myself for 5 minutes. XD
Let’s move this over to the new thread, people! *grin*
really helpful post, hope you keep posting more articles like this.thank you very much for the post
I’ve started a new hunter in the past couple days, a draenaei with a ravager caught at level 10, they’re both at 30 now and going strong.
That being said, I have notice a change from my old hunter, seems it takes quite a bit more effort to make the same kills as before. this is with a pure-bred BM build.
Have they REALLY screwed BM up as bad as y’all say at higher levels? If so I guess he’ll be doomed to soloing.
well rowane… IMO BM is the best for solo etc, i can kill beasties quicker and never pull aggro off my gorilladin… but as for raid dps etc. yes, they have… /sad
I don’t mean to travel off the verbal path but whats whith the 51st talant in BM i mean i love my Spirit cat (Ruh) but uther than cosmetic reasons its the most pointless point and blizz will argu that its just 1 point i mean WTF do any of thim know or even play wow dosent seem like it 1 point can be the differinc between good dps and bad dps and thay will also argu that us hunters r hunters for the joy of tameing and yes but it all ends there i mean SV has explosive shot MM chamera shot not to say what other specs have for there 51st point is just a start if enything it should be more of a midd tear point than an ending point i was kinda hoping for an ability like the worlocks haha warewolves would be uterly awsome An on another not WTH is whith all the other classes getting perminent or tempirary pets so mutch for being a hunter this game is going to hell in a hand basket If u want to play all types needed go druid WTF thay should not be a MT not have cc like a rogue or ungodly HOT’s altho nice in raids and PVP but look waht happens (warrior, pally, rogue) lost there jobes so what the hell
P.S. srry was just typing no grammer :P
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