Comments on: PTR 3.1 Patch Notes Updated http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/ Hunter pets in the World of Warcraft. Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:30:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Cannoncarl http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38695 Cannoncarl Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:34:58 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38695 @avatarsharoan It is a nerf. 1. Noxious stings is not a PVP only skill. Right now serpentsting is boosting your total damage by 3% while active. with the glyph and the glyph of steady shoot you have a good damage boost in raids. the black arrow has a longer Cooldown than it has duration, so you can't keep up the 6% damage boost and still the 3% boost from serpent sting are interesting. That black arrow is just a useless placeholde. Instead they should put that additional 6% damage increase on the Serpent Sting. 2. who cares about aggro on soloing? Right now I can kill any non Elite Mob in Icecrown and Storm Peaks without having my Pet tanking it. Explosive Shot, Aimed Shot and some Auto Shots during are all that's needed to kill them in a few seconds. I even needn't mark them or anything. Most of the time they will not reach me for a melee attack. So as Survival who cares about a tanking pet. If you want to kill Elite Mobs on solo, just skill BM. 3. It is a nerf, since you can't get all the vital Talents you need as SV. Right now you can. Take a closer look at the talent tree once more. @avatarsharoan

It is a nerf.

1. Noxious stings is not a PVP only skill. Right now serpentsting is boosting your total damage by 3% while active. with the glyph and the glyph of steady shoot you have a good damage boost in raids. the black arrow has a longer Cooldown than it has duration, so you can’t keep up the 6% damage boost and still the 3% boost from serpent sting are interesting.

That black arrow is just a useless placeholde. Instead they should put that additional 6% damage increase on the Serpent Sting.

2. who cares about aggro on soloing? Right now I can kill any non Elite Mob in Icecrown and Storm Peaks without having my Pet tanking it. Explosive Shot, Aimed Shot and some Auto Shots during are all that’s needed to kill them in a few seconds. I even needn’t mark them or anything. Most of the time they will not reach me for a melee attack. So as Survival who cares about a tanking pet.

If you want to kill Elite Mobs on solo, just skill BM.

3. It is a nerf, since you can’t get all the vital Talents you need as SV. Right now you can. Take a closer look at the talent tree once more.

]]> By: Mania’s Arcania » PTR 3.1 Build 9637 http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38610 Mania’s Arcania » PTR 3.1 Build 9637 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:28:22 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38610 [...] what changed in this build? Well, it looks like the updated patch notes we saw on the WoW website last week are now in [...] [...] what changed in this build? Well, it looks like the updated patch notes we saw on the WoW website last week are now in [...]

]]> By: Kayb http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38599 Kayb Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:53:38 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38599 the dash cooldown has been 32secs for a while, the dash cooldown has been 32secs for a while,

]]> By: Dweezill http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38593 Dweezill Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:31:12 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38593 Was just piddling around on the PTR and I noticed a few things. Dash now has a 32 cooldown. Can't remember what it is now. I haven't went to look just yet... but I am pretty sure it is not that long. Track Beast and Find Minerals is bugged. I could use my track beast and still find mineral deposits on the map. That is a really nice thing, but I am sure that bug will be fixed. Checked out a ton of pets and didn't notice any other changes. I will check to see if some of the "untamable" pets are now tamable. That will come after lunch. Another off pet topic.... seems odd that Black Arrow shares the cooldown with traps. Is this a bug or it is going to stay that way? Can't remember which tree it is... think it was thge tenacity tree.... but I was able to get 2 points of the new, bottom tier abilities without having to be BM specced. I couldn;t make it in the other trees without sacrificinga lot of stuff that the pet really needed. Come to think of it,I think it was cunning. I could be wrong though. i willcheck that out again after lunch. lol I know, not too interesting tidbits, but that;'s what I found out i about an hour of piddling. hope this isn't just a repost of what others have been saying. Was just piddling around on the PTR and I noticed a few things.

Dash now has a 32 cooldown. Can’t remember what it is now. I haven’t went to look just yet… but I am pretty sure it is not that long.

Track Beast and Find Minerals is bugged. I could use my track beast and still find mineral deposits on the map. That is a really nice thing, but I am sure that bug will be fixed.

Checked out a ton of pets and didn’t notice any other changes. I will check to see if some of the “untamable” pets are now tamable. That will come after lunch.

Another off pet topic…. seems odd that Black Arrow shares the cooldown with traps. Is this a bug or it is going to stay that way?

Can’t remember which tree it is… think it was thge tenacity tree…. but I was able to get 2 points of the new, bottom tier abilities without having to be BM specced. I couldn;t make it in the other trees without sacrificinga lot of stuff that the pet really needed. Come to think of it,I think it was cunning. I could be wrong though. i willcheck that out again after lunch. lol

I know, not too interesting tidbits, but that;’s what I found out i about an hour of piddling. hope this isn’t just a repost of what others have been saying.

]]> By: avatarshaoran http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38591 avatarshaoran Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:07:36 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38591 So Survival is getting nerfed? Well at my point of view is quite reasonable since Explossive Shot causes lots of aggro if it lands and triggers T.N.T (Which sometimes if a REAL problem while soloing) and my pet cannot keep up aggroing and I must Feign Death to rinse and repeat. Black Arrow seems quite useful to replace Serpent Sting and the damage increase to the target makes it up to Explossive Shot Nerf (And the DoT seems kinda cool). Well Survival is not being nerfed at all if you pay attention to the tree, it just being adjusted, but stills it is a powerful tree. Personally I never spent points on Noxious stings (I barely PVP) just to put them on MM and increase my critical and ranged damage. So it's just how you view the changes and how you adjust to them. Still I believe Survival is a great tree right now. So Survival is getting nerfed? Well at my point of view is quite reasonable since Explossive Shot causes lots of aggro if it lands and triggers T.N.T (Which sometimes if a REAL problem while soloing) and my pet cannot keep up aggroing and I must Feign Death to rinse and repeat. Black Arrow seems quite useful to replace Serpent Sting and the damage increase to the target makes it up to Explossive Shot Nerf (And the DoT seems kinda cool). Well Survival is not being nerfed at all if you pay attention to the tree, it just being adjusted, but stills it is a powerful tree. Personally I never spent points on Noxious stings (I barely PVP) just to put them on MM and increase my critical and ranged damage. So it’s just how you view the changes and how you adjust to them. Still I believe Survival is a great tree right now.

]]> By: Kayb http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38587 Kayb Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:32:41 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38587 QUOTE - sodijm chloride - March 1st, 2009 @ 9:57 am EST personally i think if all pets will be normalized.. all pets should have access to any of the 3 trees.. i should be able to create a ferocity gorilla if i so choose, or a tenacity feline if i would like as well.. - END QUOTE I agree 100%. The trees should function like a players tree. Not restricted to one tree, and able to have a hybrid if so desired. QUOTE – sodijm chloride – March 1st, 2009 @ 9:57 am EST

personally i think if all pets will be normalized.. all pets should have access to any of the 3 trees.. i should be able to create a ferocity gorilla if i so choose, or a tenacity feline if i would like as well.. – END QUOTE

I agree 100%. The trees should function like a players tree. Not restricted to one tree, and able to have a hybrid if so desired.

]]> By: Ralowae http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38583 Ralowae Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:37:08 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38583 I've read most of these comments and I was going to say something, but instead I feel i need to remind everyone something PTR stands for public TEST realms. Calm down, switch your caffeine drink for some water occasionally, go outside and enjoy some fresh air, get laid... something to calm the frak down. Yes, these are important changes that demand analysis and discussion, but I see more people flying off the handle now than in the leadup to 3.0 when they were completely redesigning our pets. So please, calm down and post when you've relaxed. We all will thank you. Ralowae and BlackTooth, Zangarmarsh. I’ve read most of these comments and I was going to say something, but instead I feel i need to remind everyone something
PTR stands for public TEST realms. Calm down, switch your caffeine drink for some water occasionally, go outside and enjoy some fresh air, get laid… something to calm the frak down.
Yes, these are important changes that demand analysis and discussion, but I see more people flying off the handle now than in the leadup to 3.0 when they were completely redesigning our pets.
So please, calm down and post when you’ve relaxed. We all will thank you.

Ralowae and BlackTooth, Zangarmarsh.

]]> By: Cannoncarl http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38576 Cannoncarl Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:15:12 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38576 Imho the SV Tree is nerfed instead of buffed. If you want to have all the useful talents out of this tree and the MM tree, you will have to skip improved Aspect of the Hawk. If you want to keep IAOTH you have to skip either 6% of Master Tactician or leave the Noxious Sting Talent (3% mor damage) behind. Imho the SV Tree is nerfed instead of buffed. If you want to have all the useful talents out of this tree and the MM tree, you will have to skip improved Aspect of the Hawk. If you want to keep IAOTH you have to skip either 6% of Master Tactician or leave the Noxious Sting Talent (3% mor damage) behind.

]]> By: Cannoncarl http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38575 Cannoncarl Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:14:19 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38575 Imho the SV Tree is nerfed instead of buffed. If you want to have all the useful talents out of this tree and the MM tree, you will have to skip improved Aspect of the Hawk. If you want to keep IAOTH you have to skip either 6% of Master Tactician or leave the Noxious Sting Talent (3% mor damage) behind. Right now all options suck in a way: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=500000000000000000000000000053051010000000000000000005300002500033330502132301331&glyph=000000000000&version=9626 http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=500000000000000000000000000053051010000000000000000005300002500033330503035001331&glyph=000000000000&version=9626 http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=000000000000000000000000000053051010200000000000000005300002500033330502135301331&glyph=000000000000&version=9626 That Black Arrow Talent is BS. They should redesign this as "Improved Serpent Sting" which should give a 6% damage increase and dealing more damage and keep the 30 sec CD on the Lock n Load Talent. About that Furious Howl from Wolves. Duration is increased from 10 to 20 seconds, but what about the cooldown? If this ist raised to 1 minutem this ability it is questionable if it will exceed the cat's rake, which can be buffed by Druid's Mangle. If they keep the CD at 10/20 sec, so that there can be an unlimited uptime, the wolf might become the most useful raid option for non BM Hunters. Imho the SV Tree is nerfed instead of buffed. If you want to have all the useful talents out of this tree and the MM tree, you will have to skip improved Aspect of the Hawk. If you want to keep IAOTH you have to skip either 6% of Master Tactician or leave the Noxious Sting Talent (3% mor damage) behind.

Right now all options suck in a way:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=500000000000000000000000000053051010000000000000000005300002500033330502132301331&glyph=000000000000&version=9626

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=500000000000000000000000000053051010000000000000000005300002500033330503035001331&glyph=000000000000&version=9626

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=000000000000000000000000000053051010200000000000000005300002500033330502135301331&glyph=000000000000&version=9626

That Black Arrow Talent is BS. They should redesign this as “Improved Serpent Sting” which should give a 6% damage increase and dealing more damage and keep the 30 sec CD on the Lock n Load Talent.

About that Furious Howl from Wolves. Duration is increased from 10 to 20 seconds, but what about the cooldown? If this ist raised to 1 minutem this ability it is questionable if it will exceed the cat’s rake, which can be buffed by Druid’s Mangle.

If they keep the CD at 10/20 sec, so that there can be an unlimited uptime, the wolf might become the most useful raid option for non BM Hunters.

]]> By: sodijm chloride http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/27/ptr-31-patch-notes-updated/comment-page-2/#comment-38573 sodijm chloride Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:57:55 +0000 http://www.maniasarcania.com/?p=2508#comment-38573 personally i think if all pets will be normalized.. all pets should have access to any of the 3 trees.. i should be able to create a ferocity gorilla if i so choose, or a tenacity feline if i would like as well.. personally i think if all pets will be normalized.. all pets should have access to any of the 3 trees.. i should be able to create a ferocity gorilla if i so choose, or a tenacity feline if i would like as well..

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