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		<title>By: Icecrystal</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38561</link>
		<dc:creator>Icecrystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... I like the thunderstomp-thing - now I have a new skill for my Hydra :&gt;
But I really don&#039;t like the Furious Howl change - I mean, they just did the same to Call of the Wild, and now Furious Howl too? I mean, is there any reason left to have a wolf then? Well, exept if you really love them ofc. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; I like the thunderstomp-thing &#8211; now I have a new skill for my Hydra :&gt;<br />
But I really don&#8217;t like the Furious Howl change &#8211; I mean, they just did the same to Call of the Wild, and now Furious Howl too? I mean, is there any reason left to have a wolf then? Well, exept if you really love them ofc. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Shir_Kirakira</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38511</link>
		<dc:creator>Shir_Kirakira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guildies are going to be really, really happy to hear about the new Thunderstomp changes. 

For some reason, my guildies really like my ghost worm, SpookyJonson. I always feel bad when I bring him to groups though because, well, he&#039;s not a gorilladin. But we can&#039;t take all the butt scratching, and everyone finds it awesome that they can actually SEE THROUGH my huge worm and that he&#039;s not blocking everyone&#039;s view like some of the other larger pets. I really hope these changes go through so he can somehow mysteriously Thunderstomp!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guildies are going to be really, really happy to hear about the new Thunderstomp changes. </p>
<p>For some reason, my guildies really like my ghost worm, SpookyJonson. I always feel bad when I bring him to groups though because, well, he&#8217;s not a gorilladin. But we can&#8217;t take all the butt scratching, and everyone finds it awesome that they can actually SEE THROUGH my huge worm and that he&#8217;s not blocking everyone&#8217;s view like some of the other larger pets. I really hope these changes go through so he can somehow mysteriously Thunderstomp!</p>
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		<title>By: Pikaley_Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38493</link>
		<dc:creator>Pikaley_Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kinda off topic but does anyone know if they fixed the animations of the vargul blighthound? last i checked it had a running animation but more often than not it would use a fast walk, and had no swim or jump animation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kinda off topic but does anyone know if they fixed the animations of the vargul blighthound? last i checked it had a running animation but more often than not it would use a fast walk, and had no swim or jump animation</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38480</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awesome news re: TS - initially setting it up as gorilla-only seemed like bad case of RP &gt; game balance, so on top of making the tenacity tree alot more palatable this also restores my faith in Blizzard&#039;s sense of judgment.

Now if they could just get around to fixing dragonhawks and wind serpents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome news re: TS &#8211; initially setting it up as gorilla-only seemed like bad case of RP &gt; game balance, so on top of making the tenacity tree alot more palatable this also restores my faith in Blizzard&#8217;s sense of judgment.</p>
<p>Now if they could just get around to fixing dragonhawks and wind serpents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaeger</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38473</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaeger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double post sorry - 

Apologies - I have just seen now on Mania&#039;s newest thread that Silverback is stand-alone and has no pre-req&#039;s... meaning I dont need Taunt - :)

Problem solved... Yeh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double post sorry &#8211; </p>
<p>Apologies &#8211; I have just seen now on Mania&#8217;s newest thread that Silverback is stand-alone and has no pre-req&#8217;s&#8230; meaning I dont need Taunt &#8211; :)</p>
<p>Problem solved&#8230; Yeh!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaeger</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38471</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaeger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ansawa.. sorry time-diff here so only getting back to you now...

No I wasnt misunderstanding the purpose of Taunt, I am straight up saying it is not necessary... if your pet needs to grab attention from a mob then it has growl(buffed with guard dog) and Intimidation, it should take no more than 1-2 growls &lt;i&gt;max&lt;/i&gt; for the pet to take the mob off you, usually as soon as it hits the mob its likely to turn unless your unloading on it and in which case then its your own fault for continuing aggro that you dont want..
 
If its coming at you and you dont want this then you should be in defensive mode - there are so many abilities to slow/stop the target for your pet - trap, concus, disengage, feign, deterrence, etc etc... there are plenty of mechanics there to shield yourself if needed for that 1-2 secs before pet gets aggro - I honestly can say I have only used Taunt once when I had it ... and because of that I respec&#039;d pet to take it off and put the very valuable point elsewhere in the tree where it would make a difference on a much greater frequency... 

Granted if you feel your play style requires you needing Taunt then fine but it should be a secondary talent - ie not part of the chain needed to access the final tier.. similar to the way lionheart is - standalone. That way people can still take it if they so desire but it isnt mandatory to get Silverback..

TS will be used, a lot, Taunt will not and so the one with greater frequency should be the one that fits into the chain where putting points into it doesnt damage your point-count. Otherwise you using a point just to open the tree and then talent sits there.

WRT Hunters of lower level losing TS from their gorillas, personally I dont think this is a bad thing... I never had a gorilla until recently.. when they became so overpowered it was a no brainer to go get one.. but before that I found it to be a much better learning experience to be able to use your class fully rather than &quot;TS + Volley&quot; which a lot of the hunters starting out now (not saying anyone here) do far to frequently... you had to watch your aggro on mobs and deal with it effectively and use more talents to achieve this.

Not being granting TS &#039;till 44 will no doubt improve their understanding of all the talents and the class and its role as a whole...

At least thats my opinion anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ansawa.. sorry time-diff here so only getting back to you now&#8230;</p>
<p>No I wasnt misunderstanding the purpose of Taunt, I am straight up saying it is not necessary&#8230; if your pet needs to grab attention from a mob then it has growl(buffed with guard dog) and Intimidation, it should take no more than 1-2 growls <i>max</i> for the pet to take the mob off you, usually as soon as it hits the mob its likely to turn unless your unloading on it and in which case then its your own fault for continuing aggro that you dont want..</p>
<p>If its coming at you and you dont want this then you should be in defensive mode &#8211; there are so many abilities to slow/stop the target for your pet &#8211; trap, concus, disengage, feign, deterrence, etc etc&#8230; there are plenty of mechanics there to shield yourself if needed for that 1-2 secs before pet gets aggro &#8211; I honestly can say I have only used Taunt once when I had it &#8230; and because of that I respec&#8217;d pet to take it off and put the very valuable point elsewhere in the tree where it would make a difference on a much greater frequency&#8230; </p>
<p>Granted if you feel your play style requires you needing Taunt then fine but it should be a secondary talent &#8211; ie not part of the chain needed to access the final tier.. similar to the way lionheart is &#8211; standalone. That way people can still take it if they so desire but it isnt mandatory to get Silverback..</p>
<p>TS will be used, a lot, Taunt will not and so the one with greater frequency should be the one that fits into the chain where putting points into it doesnt damage your point-count. Otherwise you using a point just to open the tree and then talent sits there.</p>
<p>WRT Hunters of lower level losing TS from their gorillas, personally I dont think this is a bad thing&#8230; I never had a gorilla until recently.. when they became so overpowered it was a no brainer to go get one.. but before that I found it to be a much better learning experience to be able to use your class fully rather than &#8220;TS + Volley&#8221; which a lot of the hunters starting out now (not saying anyone here) do far to frequently&#8230; you had to watch your aggro on mobs and deal with it effectively and use more talents to achieve this.</p>
<p>Not being granting TS &#8217;till 44 will no doubt improve their understanding of all the talents and the class and its role as a whole&#8230;</p>
<p>At least thats my opinion anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hwaldor</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38460</link>
		<dc:creator>Hwaldor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i see pummel being overpowered for hunters in future :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i see pummel being overpowered for hunters in future :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dweezill</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38457</link>
		<dc:creator>Dweezill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK,I see this now.... Thunderstomp on Croc = SICK!  Thank goodness my slime and hydra will be usefull.  If this stays, Tenacity just got a whole lot better. now, let&#039;s hope they dosomething this good for Ferocity and Cunning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,I see this now&#8230;. Thunderstomp on Croc = SICK!  Thank goodness my slime and hydra will be usefull.  If this stays, Tenacity just got a whole lot better. now, let&#8217;s hope they dosomething this good for Ferocity and Cunning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ansawa</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38456</link>
		<dc:creator>Ansawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mania with the win. &lt;3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mania with the win. &lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/26/ptr-31-build-9626/comment-page-2/#comment-38453</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll need 7 pet talent points to get Thunderstomp, which means that you&#039;ll need to have a level 44 pet, I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll need 7 pet talent points to get Thunderstomp, which means that you&#8217;ll need to have a level 44 pet, I believe.</p>
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