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		<title>By: Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; PTR 3.1 Patch Notes Updated</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38496</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; PTR 3.1 Patch Notes Updated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the hunter stuff. Note that these are the complete notes, so they will include things from the previous version of the patch notes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jaeger</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38363</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaeger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Prays to the heavens the AOE for ALL Tenacity is true...*


...

*Prays a little more*

Welcome back Turkle and EarthwormJim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Prays to the heavens the AOE for ALL Tenacity is true&#8230;*</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>*Prays a little more*</p>
<p>Welcome back Turkle and EarthwormJim!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryai</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38358</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But am I the only one finding it funny a tenacity pet got a PvP talent in its place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But am I the only one finding it funny a tenacity pet got a PvP talent in its place?</p>
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		<title>By: Rikaku</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38355</link>
		<dc:creator>Rikaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES FINALLY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES FINALLY!</p>
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		<title>By: GraceAlone</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38354</link>
		<dc:creator>GraceAlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double post sorry, 

&lt;cite&gt;Thunderstomp is now a pet talent available to any Tenacity pet. Now your bears, crocs or ESPECIALLY CRABS can join in the AE tanking fun.&lt;/cite&gt;

w00t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double post sorry, </p>
<p><cite>Thunderstomp is now a pet talent available to any Tenacity pet. Now your bears, crocs or ESPECIALLY CRABS can join in the AE tanking fun.</cite></p>
<p>w00t!</p>
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		<title>By: GraceAlone</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38353</link>
		<dc:creator>GraceAlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOOOOO!!!!! My poor gorilla is losing Thunderstomp! It&#039;s one of the many undocumented changes over on mmo-champion atm. The &#039;rilla was simply l33t for farming and grinding. The new skill is showing as:

&lt;cite&gt;Pummel - Pummel the target, interrupting spellcasting and preventing any spell in that school from being cast for 4 sec. (20 Focus, 5 yd range, Instant, 10 sec cooldown)&lt;/cite&gt;

Truly a sad, sad day :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOOOOO!!!!! My poor gorilla is losing Thunderstomp! It&#8217;s one of the many undocumented changes over on mmo-champion atm. The &#8216;rilla was simply l33t for farming and grinding. The new skill is showing as:</p>
<p><cite>Pummel &#8211; Pummel the target, interrupting spellcasting and preventing any spell in that school from being cast for 4 sec. (20 Focus, 5 yd range, Instant, 10 sec cooldown)</cite></p>
<p>Truly a sad, sad day :(</p>
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		<title>By: Rikaku</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38349</link>
		<dc:creator>Rikaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dweezil:
I would explain, but I covered it pretty thoroughly above (or so I felt XD), plus I&#039;m short on time here (aaah classes! Midterms = death) so I shant lol In any case, I feel you. I don&#039;t see these talents as any sort of fix either. I wanted to test the numbers from current to PTR, but with the PTR client crashing every 30 secs, it&#039;s impossible (stable server yes plz!)

And I feel you. I haven&#039;t been anything but BM for well, since alpha of WoW and even I&#039;m feeling like I&#039;m boxed into a corner. Looks like I&#039;ll be hitting that Hunter trainer soon too =/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dweezil:<br />
I would explain, but I covered it pretty thoroughly above (or so I felt XD), plus I&#8217;m short on time here (aaah classes! Midterms = death) so I shant lol In any case, I feel you. I don&#8217;t see these talents as any sort of fix either. I wanted to test the numbers from current to PTR, but with the PTR client crashing every 30 secs, it&#8217;s impossible (stable server yes plz!)</p>
<p>And I feel you. I haven&#8217;t been anything but BM for well, since alpha of WoW and even I&#8217;m feeling like I&#8217;m boxed into a corner. Looks like I&#8217;ll be hitting that Hunter trainer soon too =/</p>
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		<title>By: Dweezill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dweezill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rikaku,
  Still don;t see what you are giving up.  I personally have everything I need fr dps.  I don;t take any of the other stuff.  I very seldom have to revive pet and I don;t take the other stuff.  Guess it just depends on who you are grouping with.  Anyway, I personally don&#039;t see the new talents being any kind of a fix, but I giess I am gonn ahve to wait to see what else Bliz has in mind. If t is anything like the last couple patches,i am sure I will be disappointed.

PS
I did it. I specced to SV.  Not something I wanted to do, but it was somethig I felt that i had to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rikaku,<br />
  Still don;t see what you are giving up.  I personally have everything I need fr dps.  I don;t take any of the other stuff.  I very seldom have to revive pet and I don;t take the other stuff.  Guess it just depends on who you are grouping with.  Anyway, I personally don&#8217;t see the new talents being any kind of a fix, but I giess I am gonn ahve to wait to see what else Bliz has in mind. If t is anything like the last couple patches,i am sure I will be disappointed.</p>
<p>PS<br />
I did it. I specced to SV.  Not something I wanted to do, but it was somethig I felt that i had to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Rikaku</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38344</link>
		<dc:creator>Rikaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dweezil:
Getting 2/2 in each of the new talents ferocity spec isn&#039;t the trouble, it&#039;s what you must sacrifice to achieve 2/2 in those 2 talents that&#039;s sparked the debate.

Ryai:
We&#039;re all snippy, trust me, I&#039;m a raging ball of angry right now. Now, personally, if I take heart of the phoenix, I don&#039;t take Imp. Revive pet as well (now I do take Spirit Bond and Imp Mend pet all the time). My pet never dies 2x in a 10 min period unless we wipe on Heigan or something drastic like that. What I&#039;m merely pointing out is, is that my case is the same case for alot of BM hunters. Many hunters don&#039;t see the point in taking both Imp Rev Pet when we have insta-rez. Of course, this isnt the situation for everyone, but keep in mind I was speaking on general terms.

As far as tenacity talents go, I find them all pretty lackluster. I don&#039;t take any of the last tier tenacity talents (they just seem so pointless to me if they&#039;re for a group buff and I never use a tenacity pet in a group). Taunt I have taken, and it&#039;s pretty lame that it&#039;s manual cast. Taunt would be great if it worked alot like Voidwalker&#039;s AoE taunt (in that whenever a new mob aggro&#039;d suddenly, Taunt would automatically go off as an AoE threat ability).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dweezil:<br />
Getting 2/2 in each of the new talents ferocity spec isn&#8217;t the trouble, it&#8217;s what you must sacrifice to achieve 2/2 in those 2 talents that&#8217;s sparked the debate.</p>
<p>Ryai:<br />
We&#8217;re all snippy, trust me, I&#8217;m a raging ball of angry right now. Now, personally, if I take heart of the phoenix, I don&#8217;t take Imp. Revive pet as well (now I do take Spirit Bond and Imp Mend pet all the time). My pet never dies 2x in a 10 min period unless we wipe on Heigan or something drastic like that. What I&#8217;m merely pointing out is, is that my case is the same case for alot of BM hunters. Many hunters don&#8217;t see the point in taking both Imp Rev Pet when we have insta-rez. Of course, this isnt the situation for everyone, but keep in mind I was speaking on general terms.</p>
<p>As far as tenacity talents go, I find them all pretty lackluster. I don&#8217;t take any of the last tier tenacity talents (they just seem so pointless to me if they&#8217;re for a group buff and I never use a tenacity pet in a group). Taunt I have taken, and it&#8217;s pretty lame that it&#8217;s manual cast. Taunt would be great if it worked alot like Voidwalker&#8217;s AoE taunt (in that whenever a new mob aggro&#8217;d suddenly, Taunt would automatically go off as an AoE threat ability).</p>
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		<title>By: Dweezill</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/02/24/ptr-31-initial-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-38343</link>
		<dc:creator>Dweezill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the nw pet talents.... if thy are at the bottom of the tree, there will be no problem getting 2 of them maxed. I didn;t have the 4 extra points frm Beast mastery, and I had every dps booster the tree had to offer.  I have Rabid and Call oF The Wild already specced.  So, if I got 4 points from BM, I would be able to spend the 4 points in any combination on the new skills.  you just gotta sk yourself, &quot;If ia m looking to bosst DPS, do i really need this?&quot;.  If you can&#039;t get 4 points worth of the new stuff from the BM spec, you are speccing your dps pet wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the nw pet talents&#8230;. if thy are at the bottom of the tree, there will be no problem getting 2 of them maxed. I didn;t have the 4 extra points frm Beast mastery, and I had every dps booster the tree had to offer.  I have Rabid and Call oF The Wild already specced.  So, if I got 4 points from BM, I would be able to spend the 4 points in any combination on the new skills.  you just gotta sk yourself, &#8220;If ia m looking to bosst DPS, do i really need this?&#8221;.  If you can&#8217;t get 4 points worth of the new stuff from the BM spec, you are speccing your dps pet wrong.</p>
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