Comments on: Arena Tournament – BlizzCon – Patch 3.1

By: Mania

Mania — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:56:55 +0000

Thanks for the invitation! Hmm .. I am actually very tempted. I’ll drop you an e-mail if you don’t mind.

By: Ansawa

Ansawa — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:32:35 +0000

Hey, Mania. >_> A friend and I need a third for an arena team that will consist of us standing around in dresses and/or doing incredibly retarded things while getting our 200 matches for the murloc pet in.

Interested? :D

By: Palladiamors

Palladiamors — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:02:56 +0000

Let me clarify something. The only ‘technique’ available to hunters, of all three specs, is the ‘stay-the-hell-away’ technique, which involves a lot of running away. It has also been called kiting, but I like my name better. Past that, it is a matter of knowing when to concussive, how to keep your pet focused and alive, when to take a moment to wing clip, when to use what trap, when to feign, when to beastial wrath, when to disengage, and how to use your instant cast shots on the run, the SECOND they are off cooldown, and finally how to sting and what sting to use. Knowing when to tranq is another good one. With the appropriate kiting technique and a little luck it is possible to defeat a variety of melee classes without taking any damage. Death knights and warriors, however, are NOT two of those classes. Death knights just have to many ways of keeping you in range, and warriors have to many ways to get into melee range. Keep a paladin more then ten yards away and your good. Rogues in the open will usually opt to run away from you, rather then try to chase you down and kill you. Twenty yards on a shaman, but they tend to be squishier then paladins, and you can still waddle at least. Let them shock you, and return the favor with concussive. Druids are another class that are hard to keep at range, feral charge is a real pain, and berserk combined with natures swiftness makes staying at range difficult. Try to catch them outside of berserk and fear them. Be aware that if its a bear form then you’ll spend a lot of time trying to kill them, and if its a smart or modded player they’ll pop out before fear beast is done casting, then go back into form.

THOSE are techniques to use against players, and none of them are foolproof. I didn’t list warriors or death knights because there are honestly no good techniques that will save your life if either class knows what they are doing. It becomes a kicking, screaming, clawing fight for just a few more seconds of survival.

Why did I just….write a novel about PvP again? *Sighs* I must be more depressed then I thought.

By: Palladiamors

Palladiamors — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:41:24 +0000

Will, I’ve burned through inexperienced player after inexperienced player on my hunter. Go back and look at it again. I said SKILLED. And rogues caught in the open aren’t that tough. But your ‘win every time’ deal is a total crock, unless they are top tier geared, which is a gear indifference, which as I also mentioned is hard to overcome. And pro-technique? What technique is this?

By: Will

Will — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:23:32 +0000

I dissagree, Ive Seen Alot Of Surv/Marks Hunters Take On Dks and pallys and druids ect ect and win every time, Like Take this one instance I wat up In SotA Guns shooting at the siege Gear When in the Corner of my eye a NE hunter *gasp* was using this pro technique To own a dk, and then a multilate rogue, then a paladin, then a druid and me QQ

By: Palladiamors

Palladiamors — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:08:08 +0000

Skill is sort of the bottom of the pile factor now. A well played hunter can be a badly played death knight, but a well played vs a well played will pretty much always result in the hunter losing. Now toss in gear. The hunter has to be well enough geared to do damage to the death knight fast enough to not be ground into meat. Same goes for fighting any class. If the hunter isn’t deal copious amounts of damage with instant shots, then the fight is a loss. Skill can only overcome so much imbalance.

And forget killing a healer 1v1, unless your a rogue. Even WITH aimed shot up, I can’t kill a restoration shaman to save my life, no matter how many times I tranq off earth shield or water shield or riptide.

By: Ryai

Ryai — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:57:08 +0000

Well outside of a glitch for SV, hunters are pretty gimped for arena, last I heard only a couple ever made it past an erf, 18k rating. And one person showed this imbalance by the fact when he played his friends resto druid, and he knew nothing outside a bare minimal of healing no doubt, he was rolling his face and earning, easily, a 2000 rating, where as his poor hunter had to work for weeks to keep at I think 14something.

People whined that it was just him playing a more geared out druid- but the fact still stands, with very little skill to play a druid, he easily obtained something that he had been working for weeks, on a hunter, who had gear.

Sadly WoW is imbalanced when you get more than 1v1, and even then it’s luck on who wins [unless a rogue]. Case in point, in WG I was going to do a daily, and still being a bit miffed over an MM killing me after I, rightfully, tracked it down and killed it, I find a Pally and I go /cackle.

Then about a five minute long battle ensues- or eight minutes. It was a damn long fight kiting that damn paladin around thru elementals and revenants and trying to not get killed by either. I got the HK in the end. But it was a struggle.

But alot of people don’t get this and claim omg this class is broken or this is op- causing alot of classes to get broken. You know Resto druids? Evil. Evil. I hate them, they are op to an extent, I’ve seen them as I’ve said survive being bashed upon by very well geared and skilled players [sadly none were DKs], and they don’t die. Hell pre Wrath my lock was in an AB battle and it was me and a shammy vs a rogue and a resto and finally I realised the resto would just not die. So as the shammy dealt with the rogue I /banished the resto. Then dotted the rogue and feared, to give the shammy a breather, and banished the resto a second time.

Now you ask what relavence does this have? Oh the fact Scare Beast was going to be turned into an instant cast. Druids whined- but why? Zeldei can banish restos quiet easily, and then fear them. He can chain fear, and with talents, bam instant AoE fear. Now I say this because some druid was, sorry, dumb enough to say a hunter could chain fear!! And it’s no- fear from scare beast lasts 10 seconds. The attack itself has a 30 sec cd. Or is it 20 seconds..

And granted scare beast doesn’t work on beserking or whatever druids.. but whatever.

Sadly alot of PVP is now either about numbers, class and specc, and gear and skill. Or lack of it in some cases.

Why I hate WSG but loved AV/WG, in the masses I can get lost/hide myself and pewpew.

By: Palladiamors

Palladiamors — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:23:32 +0000

Survival has a Lock’n'load glitch that can allow them a large number of explosive shots in a row. Because of that they are doing better then normal in PvP, PvE, and arena. Currently lock’n'load can trigger off of both serpent sting and a trap at about the same time, allowing for survival to fire off a salvo of exploding rounds without the internal cooldown. Not fun for anyone on the other side.

By: Kikaku

Kikaku — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:08:38 +0000

/agrees with Palla
Plus, aren’t there STILL complaints about hunters being gimped in arena? Not only that, but we’re limited in our choice of pets as well..? I’d be too afraid to enter if anything. ..That is, if I’d ever somehow actually wanted to arena with a hunter for some reason.. >_>

By: Palladiamors

Palladiamors — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:06:16 +0000

I’m….just not a fan of the arena. It is more of an example of class imbalance then any actual skill, so…..yea.