Rogues get stunlocks, Warriors get facecrusher skills, Warlocks get minions, fear, AND DoT, Shamans… Nevermind that, Mages get Arcane Barrage, Priests get bubble, fear, and DoT, Paladins get everything you can f’ing think of, and Death Knights get Death Grip, ghouls, DoT, and the same facecrushers and self heals as Paladins and Warriors.

And BW, our only ‘Oh crap’ button, DOESN’T EVEN LOWER DAMAGE WE TAKE, is OP.

So what are we supposed to do in PvP? Feign Death and hope the other players don’t see the glove turn into a sword when they go to take our insignias?

On the up side, I have been getting into some PvP in WoW lately, trying to get a feel for the eighty bracket. If it doesn’t have a healer, its dead in ten seconds. If it HAS a healer, I’m dead in twenty. I am actually enjoying the upwards of eighty BG experience more then I enjoyed the seventy experience. There I felt like I had to pluck away at people forever, while here I just have to sort of grin and let fly. My pets are surviving so much better now thanks to lick your wounds and much improved mend pets. I actually tend to die well before them now. Masters call is an amazing tool IF your pet is close enough to you. If not then your almost losing more damage then you can afford.

/raise hand

I never saw Naxx, AQ and haven’t even been in any instances past UK.

Well did manage to snag a VoA run when we grabbed WG but at the end some people just took the time to insult my friends for having some green gear, then insult me, so I thought meh and left.

We had enough DPS the tanks were just stupid and kept dragging the damn boss Out of Range for all caster and pet classes :/

HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE ACHIEVEMENTS!? JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!??! ;) I kid. I love Achievements personally though. (Seriously, that Blue Dragonhawk mount is mine *cackle*) And no worries about spiteful, you’re probably the only other person I’ve debated with before and generally we seem to have the same responses XD

Ok, I’ll give in to those facts (since some of it I honestly didn’t know) However, I didn’t “feel” like Wrath was bugged or anything. Perhaps, I greatly missed all the bugs (I’m sure I did. I focused on leveling and camping a stupid spirit beast for 5 and half weeks. I missed a ton of stuff). I compared that to how I felt with WaR, which always felt “incomplete”. So thats why I said it’s just my opinion. You presented facts, I hand the winner of the debate to you for sure, but I still feel like Blizzard didn’t rush Wrath because of WaR.

“WARs release date was announced well before Wraths. A month or two at the least. And then Blizzard JUST SO HAPPENS to release the pre-Wrath patch….. within a week of WaRs release. Huh, interesting, that.”

This is true, however, Wrath’s unofficial release was mentioned at the 07 Blizzcon and it was stated in early 08 that Wrath of the Lich King WOULD be out by 09. Did we know it’d be 2 months after WaR? No. Did Blizzard? I’m sure. But considering how late in the year Wrath came out (considering they said Wrath would be out by 09), I don’t think WaR was the real reason Wrath came out so early. The pre-expansion patch? Possibly.

I think the only thing I have to completely disagree with you on (and of course, lovingly <3) is the “fine tuning” bit to WaR. I played the beta and that headstart deal and from my own opinion that game wasn’t just in need of fine tuning, it needed some serious overhaul. Not sure if you played White Lion or not, but that class in and of itself needed some serious fixing. And I agree, they are learning from it, but judging from how so many people are quitting on WaR as well, I think it’s safe to say they’re just as slow to address problems as Blizzard.

I think the reason Blizzard didn’t really “overhaul” Naxx was because of the whole idea of not alot of people ran old Naxx. Other than Mania, judging by most of the comments here over the time, I believe we’re two of the few people who were hear long before TBC came out. Naxx came out so quickly before TBC, that not many guilds saw it. Majority of the active players now (Almost 11.5million players now right? When I joined it was 7.5-8million players) are post TBC launch. So maybe that’s their reason for not revamping it.

Don’t get me wrong, not trying to defend them, just presenting ideas. But again, this is all just my opinions =)

WARs release date was announced well before Wraths. A month or two at the least. And then Blizzard JUST SO HAPPENS to release the pre-Wrath patch….. within a week of WaRs release. Huh, interesting, that.

Now then, was WAR ready? No. I love the game, don’t get me wrong, but it could have used a lot of fine tuning. That being said, it is a NEW game, fresh onto the market. They are allowed to make mistakes like that, as long as they learn from them, which they are showing every sign of doing.

Now on to the part I was apologizing for. You can’t say Wrath was done. Bugs, fairly major ones, were being reported, imbalances were being reported, tuning problems were being reported, class errors were being reported, problems were just all around major and unavoidable. The state of PvP was and still is a mess, the state of PvE was blaugh at best, and we got one, count’em, ONE ‘end game’ raid. The pathetic Naxxaramas. Which, if I might add, was just a redo. They didn’t even have to redesign it, they just ripped it whole hog from its old form and tossed it into Northrend with a myriad of tweaks. To make it easier, of course. We get the leveling process of 70-80, and then we get meh heroics, and an almost more meh raid. Players were and ARE left with very little content that could have been helped along or even out right solved by taking just a few more months to design the game.

All of that is just basic fact. Here is where I get controversial. I think Blizzard expected everyone to jump on the achievements bandwagon, and keep themselves pre-occupied. Personally, I have ALWAYS hated the thought of achievements. Maybe its just me, but I am not that interested in showing off what I have and haven’t done. I’ve done a lot. I enjoyed it. Doesn’t mean I need a big sign on my forehead that says “I achieved!” Anyway, achievements have more or less failed as far as I can tell. Sure you have people who are going out of their way to get every single one, but most people have finished most of what they can, and are now either annoyed with the things that are wrong ((Why are myriad and many)) or just plain bored. I realize that content takes a while to put in. But Blizzard needs to do something before they start losing customers en masse because they’ve run out of things to do.

Regardless of how you look at it, every once in awhile a system changes. Hunters changed drastically just with the pet system overhaul. Changing the talents and spec powers like 3.0.8. did just accentuated it.

Palla:
Your hot fix thought is almost exactly what I was thinking. They can apparently stealth nerf but not stealth fix. go go blizz

I even said that. One of the problems with that last patch was that beast masters had to relearn how to play. Now the problem I personally have with that is that it was a change that came about in TBC. I started well before TBC, and the thought of just sitting there spamming steady shot never really appealed to me. But for the majority of hunters, yes, it was another major blow. Blizzard really doesn’t seem to know HOW they want hunters to play, especially beast master. “Well, do we make the pet really powerful but the hunter weaker, or do we buff the hunter to do better damage but make the pet an unkillable tank?” is something they’ve said before. And they STILL don’t know what they want to do. I’ll agree with you, it makes it hard to play when your class is having its staples torn from under them regularly.

Your absolutely right. Wrath was so far from ready when it was released that it wasn’t funny. If I had to wager, Activision was pushing for a holiday seasons release, and obidient little Blizzard had to follow. Its annoying, but what can you do?

My problem is that I’m now paying 13 euro per month to play a game in which nobody knows what the rules are, and in which the unknown rules are subject to arbitrary change without notice. Seriously.

I predicted, in a post here, that WotLK would not be ready for release before summer 2009 and I stand by that prediction. It WAS, of course, released in November 2008 – but there have been 3 major revisions since release, each of them fundamentally changing the basic nature of the game.

If you had asked me to write a piece entitled “How to play Hunter in WoW” 6 months ago, I could have done it. Today, I wouldn’t even try to begin such an article, because patch 3.1 (or 3.08.05, or whatever it will be) will probably completely alter the basic mechanics of the game in the same way that 3.0, 3.02, 3.03 and 3.08 did, rendering all expert commentary on the game obsolete.

I NO LONGER KNOW how to play hunter. I’m looking forward to a period of stability when I can learn how to play again. Maybe I’ll drop my subscription and come back in 6 months. Maybe not. Maybe Blizzard’s beancounters care. Maybe not.