As a casual player with lots of RL responsibilities (including kids)j I would love to be able to get some purple gear without having to plan to be part of a 2 hour raid (where I may not get anything anyway) just like we did at lvl 70.

/sigh

This is NOT a slap in the face. Those saying so are quoting the current fad of “it’s all about hybrids, Blizzard doesn’t do anything for DPS classes,” blah, blah.

I see the complaining, but I see no proposals on what YOU would do to benefit a pure DPS class. Oh, I’ve seen comments about give the DPS classes a hybrid tree as well, “make us all hybrids!” Does that even make sense? At all? Should a Rogue have a healing tree? A tanking tree? What then is your true proposal? If your only real reason on disliking dual specs is because it doesn’t buff the crap out of your hunter class and it’s not AS MUCH of a big change for your personal choice of class … well, I don’t know what to say.

Not everybody reaps the benefit of every change from every patch. But you know what, now you don’t have to step out of the raid when your guild needs an extra healer for Saph in Naxx … the Pally off tank just swaps gear and specs and you can still be in for the kill. Who do you take out of the raid when you’re in a healing intensive fight? The Off-tank that does crap DPS and is not needed and you replace him with a healer. Who do you take out of a DPS-intensive fight? The Off-tank that does crap-DPS, or the Healer that isn’t needed. In a raid that is organized even with only half a brain, your pure DPS classes should never have to be kicked … it’s the healers and tanks that always “take one for the team.” So, yeah, you’re not a hybrid. But, now your BM exotic pet won’t die 15 seconds into the fight and totally gimp you. There are many benefits to this, more so for Hunters than the other DPS classes, in my own humble opinion. Dual specs are not being placed into the game to screw you over, they are coming to fix a problem that has always been around, including when DPS saw all the situational upgrades in previous years.

I don’t see a reason to cry here.

Besides, in a raid environment, you’re generally only allowed to roll on your main spec gear items. So when that Epic-geared Off-tank is asked to swap to DPS spec, he’s going to don his crappy ilevel 174 items and he’ll be doing 1.5k DPS, a whole 200 more than his prot spec. And if the raid wipes because it’s still not enough, who do you think they’re gonna call? The Ghostbusters? Heck no … they’ll call on the Hunters, Rogues, and Mages, that are all at the top of the DPS charts with 2-3k damage per second and are geared for it, and can dual-spec swap to slightly more advantageous roles or situations that we’ve already discussed to make sure they aren’t DPS-gimped and/or can provide something a little extra that a tank turned crappily-geared DPS or DPS turned healer could not ever possibly provide.

If you still refuse to at least wait instead of throwing curses at Blizzard for finally fixing a problem that has existed since the game went live years ago, and can think of nothing but your own class … well, not gonna say it. Just see if you can’t find it in you to wait.

BTW:

“Buffs taken away or made available across a whole raid” this applies to all classes.

“Dual Specs give hybrids the chance to go switch between dps/healing/tank.” This was always the case. A hybrid class could always hearth, respec, and get summoned back into the raid. Dual-specs does not change the ability to do so, just makes it easier and saves a ton of gold. And, how many times have you needed a tank or healer and somebody went and respecc’d just for your party, spending their own gold? I’m sure you’ve seen it as much as the rest of us.

“The Pure DPS classes dont really compete in damage with the hybrid dps specs so far from what I have seen” I have yet to see any class out-perform a Hunter in equal ilevel item gear in regards to DPS. I also don’t think the nerfs will put us back into the dark ages, either, just even it all out. The mages will likely now be the top-DPS, and they’re not a hybrid class. Rogues continually are in the top tier of DPS, varying by fight to fight. The only times I have seen a hybrid class at the top of the charts is because they outgeared the pure DPS. Your milage may very in your raids, but I doubt by very much.

Somebody is always going to cry during every change. Either it’s the tanks get no love, the healers get no love, the DPS gets no love, or the hybrids get no love. And failing all that, everybody falls back on complaining about Warlocks.

So, I’ll say it again. This isn’t a nerf for anybody. This isn’t a change that couldn’t be done before with a hearth/portal and 50 gold. This isn’t a buff. It just makes it so that people don’t have to sit out, and can have a 100% complete ont he raid they started with, or do some PvP afterwards, and without having to respec 7 times a week.

That’s it, that’s all it is. How you use it is up to you, but you will benefit from it if you choose to.

/endrant

Arc and Chimera do not share a cd either. in BC, as Surv or BM i used a combination of arc and steady, we had some nice pallies for JoW alot =)

Bring on the dual specs. be interesting to see for sure. looking forward to swaping them around. wonder what they’ll do with the pets though. they’re talent points reset when you swap out of BM to marks so i found out.

1. Balance can only be achieved if every class can beat every other class.

2. Blizzard has repeatedly stated they are against making the classes equal.

3. Blizzard talks about team composition as way to balance, but this clearly in never the case.

4. You must pick the season’s OP classes and forget trying to get Blizzard to be fair or balanced in class ability.

5. Favorite OP classes last season were: druid, warrior, loc.

6. Current OP classes are: RET pally (shield, stun, dps dead before you can even fight back), loc (fear and dot to death before you can fight back), DK (more dps than any other class), rogues (stun to death). See the pattern? Kill without fighting. Kill without a fair fight. Kill without the other player having a chance. If you don’t think they are OP, then check current arena rating statistics.

7. Expect DK to get even more OP despite everyone’s complaints. DK is current Blizzard pet class.

8. Favorite classes to nerf and keep down: hunters, shaman, priests.

9. Arena will continue to be a joke: not about skill as it is about OP classes.

10. Arena will continue to be about how to combine the current OP classes.

11. Case in point: hunters were statistically last in all 4 arena seasons. Nothing was done to change that because Blizzard is in no way about balance. Hunters will make it 5 for 5 this season.

12. Case in point: arena for money was played by only 3 classes at the top anywhere in the world (druid, warrior, warlock). Any fix come for the other classes at any time during the entire season? NO! Any nerfs come for those 3 OP classes anytime during the entire season? NO!

13. Every time I post this, Blizzard deletes it quickly. I tried to spam it to get it out there, so Blizzard banned me from the forums.

14. I waited an entire week and posted a rewritten version once. I got banned for a week.

15. Blizzard cannot stand the truth.

Drakara – good questions!!! Same thing I asked (in another form) up at post 47. I would bet we can’t use the pet then. Now, if Blizz maybe thinks on this and realizes that if someone has their primary spec as BM, then it would just carry over when using the secondary or maybe we will get our wish and out pets are like warlock pets – carried on our petbar, like the mounts/cuddlely pets (as mentioned up in post 22). We can change out and that would be nice.