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	<title>Comments on: PTR 3.0.8: Hunter Patch Notes</title>
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		<title>By: Luminesse</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-37892</link>
		<dc:creator>Luminesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Somanoris - &amp; seen similar percentage damage reduction. Was often at the top of raid damage tables before but usually not by more than a couple of percent &amp; it was still hard-earned.....often had to play out of my skin to stay ahead of decent locks or mages but yesterday I finished HoL having done less damage than the pally tank even after popping a flask, a mega mammoth meal, mammoth treats for the pet, an agility scroll &amp; mammoth cutter bullets (admittedly he had a couple more epics than me, but even so that sucks!)

In a few months time there will only be DKs and Pallies left playing - I wonder if Blizz will let us all have different colour cloaks or something so we can tell each other apart? 

Pure dps classes should be able to out-dps any hybrid class, even a ret pally - after all they can equip a shield and tank if things turn desperate &amp; the real tank dies, or they can heal, cleanse &amp; res if required. Hunters cannot do any of that; dps is what we do, &amp; if I&#039;m getting out-dps&#039;d by a pally tank then it&#039;s time to quit! Thanks for nothing Blizzard!!

Oh but wait...........I can buy a mechanical budgie mount to ride around on now to make up for losing a third of my dps!!  well woopy do!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Somanoris &#8211; &amp; seen similar percentage damage reduction. Was often at the top of raid damage tables before but usually not by more than a couple of percent &amp; it was still hard-earned&#8230;..often had to play out of my skin to stay ahead of decent locks or mages but yesterday I finished HoL having done less damage than the pally tank even after popping a flask, a mega mammoth meal, mammoth treats for the pet, an agility scroll &amp; mammoth cutter bullets (admittedly he had a couple more epics than me, but even so that sucks!)</p>
<p>In a few months time there will only be DKs and Pallies left playing &#8211; I wonder if Blizz will let us all have different colour cloaks or something so we can tell each other apart? </p>
<p>Pure dps classes should be able to out-dps any hybrid class, even a ret pally &#8211; after all they can equip a shield and tank if things turn desperate &amp; the real tank dies, or they can heal, cleanse &amp; res if required. Hunters cannot do any of that; dps is what we do, &amp; if I&#8217;m getting out-dps&#8217;d by a pally tank then it&#8217;s time to quit! Thanks for nothing Blizzard!!</p>
<p>Oh but wait&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I can buy a mechanical budgie mount to ride around on now to make up for losing a third of my dps!!  well woopy do!!</p>
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		<title>By: somanoris</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-37660</link>
		<dc:creator>somanoris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEYYY.. why dont blizz just put a holy spec on DK&#039;s and make it the only class in the game..I love playing my hunter, but after the patch i am ready to quit and goto warhammer as are other hunter i talk to.. the nerf is terrible and those that say hunters were OP i dont know where you get it.. I have had my times at the top of a dps meter, but not always. its usually a race between rogues, dk, mages, and loks. yes we should be in the top 4 on dps in a 10 man raid. thats what we do, but on our naxx run last night i was 6th.. WTF.. my hit rate is capped and im doing nothing different. this nerf was totally uncalled for.. when auto shot does more dps and crits for more than steady shot there is a problem. The volley nerf im ok with with but everything else totally screwed this class.. it is so bad i went from 2000-2200 dps down to struggling to stay above 1600 with raids buffs..Afraid blizz really screwed this one up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEYYY.. why dont blizz just put a holy spec on DK&#8217;s and make it the only class in the game..I love playing my hunter, but after the patch i am ready to quit and goto warhammer as are other hunter i talk to.. the nerf is terrible and those that say hunters were OP i dont know where you get it.. I have had my times at the top of a dps meter, but not always. its usually a race between rogues, dk, mages, and loks. yes we should be in the top 4 on dps in a 10 man raid. thats what we do, but on our naxx run last night i was 6th.. WTF.. my hit rate is capped and im doing nothing different. this nerf was totally uncalled for.. when auto shot does more dps and crits for more than steady shot there is a problem. The volley nerf im ok with with but everything else totally screwed this class.. it is so bad i went from 2000-2200 dps down to struggling to stay above 1600 with raids buffs..Afraid blizz really screwed this one up</p>
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		<title>By: huuuntard</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-37406</link>
		<dc:creator>huuuntard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blizz dev1: omfg pallys and dks are more than 80% of arena population what do we do?

Blizz dev2: I know i know, lets nerf hunters.
 
Blizz dev1: Great idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blizz dev1: omfg pallys and dks are more than 80% of arena population what do we do?</p>
<p>Blizz dev2: I know i know, lets nerf hunters.</p>
<p>Blizz dev1: Great idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Vidfreak</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-37390</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidfreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seljade......when was the last time you played your hunt?  When was the last time you played a bg or went pvp against somebody?  Seems to me from what you said it has been quite a while even tho you said it was your main.  I bg a lot and ever since the dk&#039;s and all the nerfs on hunters...i have been getting ripped apart.  From getting feared by locks, to getting death gripped by dk&#039;s.  When i started out as a hunt i used to be able to hold my own against high level npc&#039;s and even in bg.  Now i get ripped apart so fast that all i see is that stupid purple bolt then the DK then im dead.  As for pets.....wow....my pet can&#039;t hold aggro worth a crap anymore.  And that cooldown on growl?  WTF!!  my pet can be attacking for a good 5 seconds (doesn&#039;t sound like much but in battle thats a long time)  I shoot one time and hey the npc is attacking me....

if anything needs some nerfs...its those dk&#039;s and pallies.  And hunts need to have a slight upgrade...we have been totally ignored and locked in the closet....

And as for dps....in pvp and pve i used to do pretty good dps wise...but now..my pet can&#039;t do anything and it used to be able to.  and also as for downing a clothie?  im fairly well geared and it still takes me forever to drop em....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seljade&#8230;&#8230;when was the last time you played your hunt?  When was the last time you played a bg or went pvp against somebody?  Seems to me from what you said it has been quite a while even tho you said it was your main.  I bg a lot and ever since the dk&#8217;s and all the nerfs on hunters&#8230;i have been getting ripped apart.  From getting feared by locks, to getting death gripped by dk&#8217;s.  When i started out as a hunt i used to be able to hold my own against high level npc&#8217;s and even in bg.  Now i get ripped apart so fast that all i see is that stupid purple bolt then the DK then im dead.  As for pets&#8230;..wow&#8230;.my pet can&#8217;t hold aggro worth a crap anymore.  And that cooldown on growl?  WTF!!  my pet can be attacking for a good 5 seconds (doesn&#8217;t sound like much but in battle thats a long time)  I shoot one time and hey the npc is attacking me&#8230;.</p>
<p>if anything needs some nerfs&#8230;its those dk&#8217;s and pallies.  And hunts need to have a slight upgrade&#8230;we have been totally ignored and locked in the closet&#8230;.</p>
<p>And as for dps&#8230;.in pvp and pve i used to do pretty good dps wise&#8230;but now..my pet can&#8217;t do anything and it used to be able to.  and also as for downing a clothie?  im fairly well geared and it still takes me forever to drop em&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: WoW: Hunter Nerf (and lil&#8217; buff) &#124; The Ramblings of JoBildo</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-37358</link>
		<dc:creator>WoW: Hunter Nerf (and lil&#8217; buff) &#124; The Ramblings of JoBildo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a good overview of the incoming nerf. It&#8217;ll be a little odd to get used to being &#8220;normal&#8221; again [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a good overview of the incoming nerf. It&#8217;ll be a little odd to get used to being &#8220;normal&#8221; again [...]</p>
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		<title>By: seljade</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-37354</link>
		<dc:creator>seljade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hunters used to be able to be killed by practically any class these days very few classes can kill hunters in pvp...i know my main is a hunter. i hate to say it but hunters need more nerfs starting with haste all classes can now kill cloth faster than hell especially hunters. the haste on hunters even non bm hunters is ridiculous it pushes back all caster abilitys and the onyl class with a crap lad of instants are locks. QQ abotu arcane barrage its not as op as u think its a luck of the draw ability. hunter pet are soloing other players in pvp fairly easily these days. hunters needed help in pvp i was a supporter of this being a hunter. but now hunters are too strong as are our pets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hunters used to be able to be killed by practically any class these days very few classes can kill hunters in pvp&#8230;i know my main is a hunter. i hate to say it but hunters need more nerfs starting with haste all classes can now kill cloth faster than hell especially hunters. the haste on hunters even non bm hunters is ridiculous it pushes back all caster abilitys and the onyl class with a crap lad of instants are locks. QQ abotu arcane barrage its not as op as u think its a luck of the draw ability. hunter pet are soloing other players in pvp fairly easily these days. hunters needed help in pvp i was a supporter of this being a hunter. but now hunters are too strong as are our pets.</p>
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		<title>By: Puti</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-37224</link>
		<dc:creator>Puti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just wondering why no one looks at the T7 hunter set bonus for a nerf. It gives 5% to pet damage nerfing the T7 bonus seems like it would have been smarter then a direct talent tree nerf. Also about the crafted ammo they prob should have not even put it in game yet cause steady shot is now taking extra damage from ammo and now they must nerf steady shot. I really fail to see the logic in the nerfs as to what they gave/buffed. Yes volley was doing to much but again the 30% base damage nerf on top of the 30% base AP nerf to it. One reason hunter aoe dps was also so high is we can FD any aggro so you could nuke and FD. Changing the T7 bonus seems like a good start at nerfs with removing or even just nerfing the crafted ammo. I&#039;m not sure cause I have not looked into it but im sure Explosive shot is based on RAP so a ammo nerf would do nothing if not save me farming time or gold buying it. 50/21 BM standard spec I am right now but before these nerfs mages, warlock and warriors are already passing me on some fights that are not pet friendly or range like Thad where you have to keep running to change charges. I am in better gear then them and crafting ammo that cost me gold and time. Hag,Sap,and Kel those Naxx bosses have a high chance to kill my pet then my DPS drops by a massive amount. Me having to rez my pet once in a boss fight in a 25 man puts me way down on the DPS charts. Most end game raids in BC had me putting my pet on passive most of the time like Archimond and in general many boss fights kill pets pretty easy.(Kitairra) These nerfs also worry me in pvp because as was said there was no hunters in the top arena teams and as a class we was at the very bottom of every arena season this is not a random crying about hunters this was a fact last seasons and it does not looking well with these changes in season 5. Already have arena gear before these nerfs healers seem like they never die and all I do is spend 90% of the time trying to get range and my pet pretty much is the only DPS when that happens so yes these nerfs to pets/BM does hurt even more in that part of the game. Off the topic it does suck to have classes run to your face as they are pretty much safe in your melee range it just feels stupid to have folks run to me who are not melee like priest, warlocks, mages, druids, and resto/elemental shamies. All the classes that melee have some kinda of speed increase to base run or sprint and charges. They also have slows that last longer then us so Blizzard&#039;s idea of us running away to shoot at range to me just does not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just wondering why no one looks at the T7 hunter set bonus for a nerf. It gives 5% to pet damage nerfing the T7 bonus seems like it would have been smarter then a direct talent tree nerf. Also about the crafted ammo they prob should have not even put it in game yet cause steady shot is now taking extra damage from ammo and now they must nerf steady shot. I really fail to see the logic in the nerfs as to what they gave/buffed. Yes volley was doing to much but again the 30% base damage nerf on top of the 30% base AP nerf to it. One reason hunter aoe dps was also so high is we can FD any aggro so you could nuke and FD. Changing the T7 bonus seems like a good start at nerfs with removing or even just nerfing the crafted ammo. I&#8217;m not sure cause I have not looked into it but im sure Explosive shot is based on RAP so a ammo nerf would do nothing if not save me farming time or gold buying it. 50/21 BM standard spec I am right now but before these nerfs mages, warlock and warriors are already passing me on some fights that are not pet friendly or range like Thad where you have to keep running to change charges. I am in better gear then them and crafting ammo that cost me gold and time. Hag,Sap,and Kel those Naxx bosses have a high chance to kill my pet then my DPS drops by a massive amount. Me having to rez my pet once in a boss fight in a 25 man puts me way down on the DPS charts. Most end game raids in BC had me putting my pet on passive most of the time like Archimond and in general many boss fights kill pets pretty easy.(Kitairra) These nerfs also worry me in pvp because as was said there was no hunters in the top arena teams and as a class we was at the very bottom of every arena season this is not a random crying about hunters this was a fact last seasons and it does not looking well with these changes in season 5. Already have arena gear before these nerfs healers seem like they never die and all I do is spend 90% of the time trying to get range and my pet pretty much is the only DPS when that happens so yes these nerfs to pets/BM does hurt even more in that part of the game. Off the topic it does suck to have classes run to your face as they are pretty much safe in your melee range it just feels stupid to have folks run to me who are not melee like priest, warlocks, mages, druids, and resto/elemental shamies. All the classes that melee have some kinda of speed increase to base run or sprint and charges. They also have slows that last longer then us so Blizzard&#8217;s idea of us running away to shoot at range to me just does not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Eyran</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-36980</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yea, is there anyway to petition Blizzard so they can make the Black Dragon Whelp tamable? That would be so cool. The Horde get low level pets that breathe fire, the Alliance should get one also.

Just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yea, is there anyway to petition Blizzard so they can make the Black Dragon Whelp tamable? That would be so cool. The Horde get low level pets that breathe fire, the Alliance should get one also.</p>
<p>Just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Eyran</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/11/ptr-308-hunter-patch-notes/comment-page-2/#comment-36979</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigrdrífa - Thank you! I get hasseled in the game all the time with people telling me I will not be able to solo. I&#039;m only lvl 27 and been playing the game a little over a month, but I&#039;ve been solo so far with no problems and love my Raptor (Jammers). I&#039;ve been dumping all my points into BM and making sure I use all points on anything that increases &quot;Jammers&quot; armor, strength or defenses. Jammers and I did a solo test run in DM at lvl 26 by ourselves and didn&#039;t die once, but we stopped when we got to the ship. I&#039;ve learned how to be &quot;very&quot; sneeky.

Am I miss-understanding what is happening with this patch, but it sounds like Jammers and I are going to loose out and what is DPS?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigrdrífa &#8211; Thank you! I get hasseled in the game all the time with people telling me I will not be able to solo. I&#8217;m only lvl 27 and been playing the game a little over a month, but I&#8217;ve been solo so far with no problems and love my Raptor (Jammers). I&#8217;ve been dumping all my points into BM and making sure I use all points on anything that increases &#8220;Jammers&#8221; armor, strength or defenses. Jammers and I did a solo test run in DM at lvl 26 by ourselves and didn&#8217;t die once, but we stopped when we got to the ship. I&#8217;ve learned how to be &#8220;very&#8221; sneeky.</p>
<p>Am I miss-understanding what is happening with this patch, but it sounds like Jammers and I are going to loose out and what is DPS?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Sigrdrífa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigrdrífa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Eyran&lt;/b&gt;, if I may... no one here on this blog will give you grief like that.  And no, WOW is not a team game, unless you want into the instances or bg&#039;s or raid or arenas (but then that is the concept for those isnt it, now). But as  BM hunter, I have my other team member - my glorious pet! Time for coffee.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Eyran</b>, if I may&#8230; no one here on this blog will give you grief like that.  And no, WOW is not a team game, unless you want into the instances or bg&#8217;s or raid or arenas (but then that is the concept for those isnt it, now). But as  BM hunter, I have my other team member &#8211; my glorious pet! Time for coffee.  :)</p>
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