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	<title>Comments on: RFC: Carrion Birds and Demoralizing Screech</title>
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		<title>By: Apollo</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36584</link>
		<dc:creator>Apollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Tauren BM Hunter, I love whatever pets I tame (with the exception of a bear and a cat I had prior to BC, I had to free up pet stable spots, so I stuck on with my vulture and croc).  And my Carrion Bird, the little Taloned Swoop I got from Mulgore is STILL with me, and STILL my #1 fun pet, especially in PvP. No one expects a bird to come of nowhere at them...

Yes, Demoralizing Screech is a nice little debuff to keep guys on my bird, coupled with Misdirection/Multi-Shot (though I turn it on when I&#039;m fighting multiple mobs), and being a Ferocity pet now with Lick Your Wounds helps to keep aggression on my little bird when its near dead, he&#039;s just so lovable.

Though, why are the black hawk/crow birds Carrion Birds, and the brown hawk/crow birds Birds of Prey? That doesn&#039;t make any lick of sense to me... Sorta bums me that I&#039;m probably the only hunter, who actually uses a black-feathered, non-BC/WotLK vulture.  Ah well.  PEACE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Tauren BM Hunter, I love whatever pets I tame (with the exception of a bear and a cat I had prior to BC, I had to free up pet stable spots, so I stuck on with my vulture and croc).  And my Carrion Bird, the little Taloned Swoop I got from Mulgore is STILL with me, and STILL my #1 fun pet, especially in PvP. No one expects a bird to come of nowhere at them&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, Demoralizing Screech is a nice little debuff to keep guys on my bird, coupled with Misdirection/Multi-Shot (though I turn it on when I&#8217;m fighting multiple mobs), and being a Ferocity pet now with Lick Your Wounds helps to keep aggression on my little bird when its near dead, he&#8217;s just so lovable.</p>
<p>Though, why are the black hawk/crow birds Carrion Birds, and the brown hawk/crow birds Birds of Prey? That doesn&#8217;t make any lick of sense to me&#8230; Sorta bums me that I&#8217;m probably the only hunter, who actually uses a black-feathered, non-BC/WotLK vulture.  Ah well.  PEACE!</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36573</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pre 3.0 I liked carrion birds (and bats for that matter) because I could be lazy about fighting multiple mobs - as long as I kept it to mend and single target dps, and avoided multishot/volley until I was ready to pull aggro, I could count on my pet holding and surviving all the aggro... and I could use it in dungeons since the aoe component did no dmg (never got a complaint about the wings either).

However screech was definitely gimped in 3.0 - even with a 10 sec duration, changing it from a focus dump to a cooldown attack means that in a fight with multiple mobs there will be frequent gaps in debuff coverage, thanks to the drain of their new focus dump, and so your mend pet will pull aggro as often as not.

But as with wind serpents, dragonhawks and etc the desire to force all pets into a standardized cookie cutter mold has driven Blizzard to shoot down another perfectly good pet.  I had some small hope that Ghostcrawlers team might be outgrowing that mentality when they gave cats a special exception, but it seems that was as far as they were willing to stray from Prime Directive 3.0.

So this is one more former carrion bird user recommending new or curious hunters just go with a gorilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pre 3.0 I liked carrion birds (and bats for that matter) because I could be lazy about fighting multiple mobs &#8211; as long as I kept it to mend and single target dps, and avoided multishot/volley until I was ready to pull aggro, I could count on my pet holding and surviving all the aggro&#8230; and I could use it in dungeons since the aoe component did no dmg (never got a complaint about the wings either).</p>
<p>However screech was definitely gimped in 3.0 &#8211; even with a 10 sec duration, changing it from a focus dump to a cooldown attack means that in a fight with multiple mobs there will be frequent gaps in debuff coverage, thanks to the drain of their new focus dump, and so your mend pet will pull aggro as often as not.</p>
<p>But as with wind serpents, dragonhawks and etc the desire to force all pets into a standardized cookie cutter mold has driven Blizzard to shoot down another perfectly good pet.  I had some small hope that Ghostcrawlers team might be outgrowing that mentality when they gave cats a special exception, but it seems that was as far as they were willing to stray from Prime Directive 3.0.</p>
<p>So this is one more former carrion bird user recommending new or curious hunters just go with a gorilla.</p>
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		<title>By: Ullr</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36572</link>
		<dc:creator>Ullr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i respecced over to a leveling BM build for the lich king, and have mixed reservation about the whole bird family.

In the past, the owl was my second pet (my solo/grinding pet, whereas i used a cat for instance/raiding.) Screech was the main reason, along with it being third on the dps charts (at 7% dmg; with claw instaed of bite, it proved more powerful over bats after the pet speed equality came in). Screech was a great aggro controller, being able to hold aggro on multiple mobs; not a great amount of aggro, but enough to stop them comming to me immediately after i click pet heal.

Nowadays, my owl has long sbeen abandoned. Im sure that dis-arm has a use, albeit limited with its cahnce of sucess and cooldown, but without screech it just wasnt the same. Everytime i use a pet ability: beastial wrath, intimidation or kill command, all surrounding mobs make a run for me, which i just dont want. Tanking multiple mobs is essential to efficent grinding and we all end up with adds sooner or later. To make matters worse, they reclass owls as cunning pets, taking damage down from 7% to 5%.

While the &quot;carrion&quot; birds of prey are now a dps pet and with screech, they seem a strong choice for the best all round pet. 

Talents depend on whether your using the pet for solo or instances (carrions can do both now particulary well). So far, my experience comes with levlling, grinding and solo work. For this i highly recommend.

Bloodthirsty: having a 50% chance to restore 5% health per attack is unbelievable. With 2 second attacks: a 5% heal every 4 seconds. Also, the heal creates no threat at all for the hunter. Giving happiness to the pet also, that just means a whole loota more inventory space to not be taken up by food.

Charge and dash or dive: Having both means that almost always one of them will be usable everytime you approach a new mob. Vastly improveing kill efficiency.

Lick your wounds and heart of the phoenix: having both can almost make a pet invunerable, when they are with along with pet heal and bloodthirsty. Ive never met an elite outside an instance that i have not soloed.

Even with mobs hitting at 750-1000 a hit, using pet heal and bloodthirtsy will keep the pet alive a good 30 secs; use lick your wounds when they&#039;re close to dead. Repeat the precedure with pet heal and the pet can die this time. Use heart of pheonix, then FD to wipe your aggro table, before continueing to pummel away.

If you are levelling BM spec (as every hunter should). Then longevity stands out as a key talent; reducing the cooldown of all pet abilities. Having growl and bite down to just 3.5 secs is an aggro magnet, while having lick your wounds down to just 2 minutes is awesome:

With constructive use of a freeze trap, or a bit of skilful kiting, the above technique with pet combat can be extended further by reusing lick wounds a second time. Thus giving your bog standard superpet the equivalent to 4X his own health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i respecced over to a leveling BM build for the lich king, and have mixed reservation about the whole bird family.</p>
<p>In the past, the owl was my second pet (my solo/grinding pet, whereas i used a cat for instance/raiding.) Screech was the main reason, along with it being third on the dps charts (at 7% dmg; with claw instaed of bite, it proved more powerful over bats after the pet speed equality came in). Screech was a great aggro controller, being able to hold aggro on multiple mobs; not a great amount of aggro, but enough to stop them comming to me immediately after i click pet heal.</p>
<p>Nowadays, my owl has long sbeen abandoned. Im sure that dis-arm has a use, albeit limited with its cahnce of sucess and cooldown, but without screech it just wasnt the same. Everytime i use a pet ability: beastial wrath, intimidation or kill command, all surrounding mobs make a run for me, which i just dont want. Tanking multiple mobs is essential to efficent grinding and we all end up with adds sooner or later. To make matters worse, they reclass owls as cunning pets, taking damage down from 7% to 5%.</p>
<p>While the &#8220;carrion&#8221; birds of prey are now a dps pet and with screech, they seem a strong choice for the best all round pet. </p>
<p>Talents depend on whether your using the pet for solo or instances (carrions can do both now particulary well). So far, my experience comes with levlling, grinding and solo work. For this i highly recommend.</p>
<p>Bloodthirsty: having a 50% chance to restore 5% health per attack is unbelievable. With 2 second attacks: a 5% heal every 4 seconds. Also, the heal creates no threat at all for the hunter. Giving happiness to the pet also, that just means a whole loota more inventory space to not be taken up by food.</p>
<p>Charge and dash or dive: Having both means that almost always one of them will be usable everytime you approach a new mob. Vastly improveing kill efficiency.</p>
<p>Lick your wounds and heart of the phoenix: having both can almost make a pet invunerable, when they are with along with pet heal and bloodthirsty. Ive never met an elite outside an instance that i have not soloed.</p>
<p>Even with mobs hitting at 750-1000 a hit, using pet heal and bloodthirtsy will keep the pet alive a good 30 secs; use lick your wounds when they&#8217;re close to dead. Repeat the precedure with pet heal and the pet can die this time. Use heart of pheonix, then FD to wipe your aggro table, before continueing to pummel away.</p>
<p>If you are levelling BM spec (as every hunter should). Then longevity stands out as a key talent; reducing the cooldown of all pet abilities. Having growl and bite down to just 3.5 secs is an aggro magnet, while having lick your wounds down to just 2 minutes is awesome:</p>
<p>With constructive use of a freeze trap, or a bit of skilful kiting, the above technique with pet combat can be extended further by reusing lick wounds a second time. Thus giving your bog standard superpet the equivalent to 4X his own health.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurasu</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36563</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when I was level 70, I picked up a crow for tanking purposes. My bird, DruidSlave, was fantastic at it. He could hold aggro like no one&#039;s business and did a heck of a lot of damage even so.

What a shock, when I pulled DruidSlave out, set his talents, and found tat while his damage was dueiously increased, his ability to hold aggro (not, I may add, to *gain* it; he could get the initial aggro beautofully) was severely lacking. Since then, I have had to release him. 

Even back then, however, tanks were very much against the Screech. One of my best friends even forbade I ever, *EVER* go into an instance with him with the bird for that reason. Please note: I never minded the sound; I actually rather liked it. But I can tell you that other people who get hold of one of these birds will find that others won&#039;t like it nearly as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was level 70, I picked up a crow for tanking purposes. My bird, DruidSlave, was fantastic at it. He could hold aggro like no one&#8217;s business and did a heck of a lot of damage even so.</p>
<p>What a shock, when I pulled DruidSlave out, set his talents, and found tat while his damage was dueiously increased, his ability to hold aggro (not, I may add, to *gain* it; he could get the initial aggro beautofully) was severely lacking. Since then, I have had to release him. </p>
<p>Even back then, however, tanks were very much against the Screech. One of my best friends even forbade I ever, *EVER* go into an instance with him with the bird for that reason. Please note: I never minded the sound; I actually rather liked it. But I can tell you that other people who get hold of one of these birds will find that others won&#8217;t like it nearly as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Xota</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36509</link>
		<dc:creator>Xota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a tank on my main, with a hunter alt, I fixed the sound file for the screech spell. It isn&#039;t hard and isn&#039;t against the rules. As a ear-crow was my first carrion bird, I cut its volume down to about a third and changed it to a &quot;caw caw&quot; sound. Of course this means even vultures &quot;caw caw&quot;, but its worth it. Screech&#039;s AoE threat stopped being easy mode with 3.0.2, so I stopped using it. Not that I abandoned it or got a gorilla, but he&#039;s sitting in one of my two &#039;expendable&#039; stable slots.

I do miss Corax, even though I have a love/hate relationship with the model (love the crow, hate the ears).  The Northrend vulture model is pretty nice looking too (not the outland&#039;s 2-headed space mutant), but they&#039;re afflicted with &quot;black wing&quot; for me, so I doubt I&#039;ll get one either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a tank on my main, with a hunter alt, I fixed the sound file for the screech spell. It isn&#8217;t hard and isn&#8217;t against the rules. As a ear-crow was my first carrion bird, I cut its volume down to about a third and changed it to a &#8220;caw caw&#8221; sound. Of course this means even vultures &#8220;caw caw&#8221;, but its worth it. Screech&#8217;s AoE threat stopped being easy mode with 3.0.2, so I stopped using it. Not that I abandoned it or got a gorilla, but he&#8217;s sitting in one of my two &#8216;expendable&#8217; stable slots.</p>
<p>I do miss Corax, even though I have a love/hate relationship with the model (love the crow, hate the ears).  The Northrend vulture model is pretty nice looking too (not the outland&#8217;s 2-headed space mutant), but they&#8217;re afflicted with &#8220;black wing&#8221; for me, so I doubt I&#8217;ll get one either.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigrdrífa</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36421</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigrdrífa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all I know about this is I had GutRipper tamed and in the words of Flapjack, she is beauteous &lt;b&gt;before patch 3.0&lt;/b&gt; when she had screech (and yes, I loved that sound when owls were somthing to behold!). She could hold AOE aggro well and she was a very chagelling tame. But with the changes, she just wasn&#039;t the same and she was let go to make way for other pets to see how they are. Her name was &quot;Hildr&quot;.  I still haven&#039;t made it to Northrend, but soon, maybe I will and I can see what is there in the way of buzzards and such what.  Too bad, that screech is now mano a mano... makes Sigrdrífa a sad sad valkyrie indeed... yes, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all I know about this is I had GutRipper tamed and in the words of Flapjack, she is beauteous <b>before patch 3.0</b> when she had screech (and yes, I loved that sound when owls were somthing to behold!). She could hold AOE aggro well and she was a very chagelling tame. But with the changes, she just wasn&#8217;t the same and she was let go to make way for other pets to see how they are. Her name was &#8220;Hildr&#8221;.  I still haven&#8217;t made it to Northrend, but soon, maybe I will and I can see what is there in the way of buzzards and such what.  Too bad, that screech is now mano a mano&#8230; makes Sigrdrífa a sad sad valkyrie indeed&#8230; yes, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ikutai</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36406</link>
		<dc:creator>Ikutai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Carrion bird, Niflheim, is a great little go-getter! I&#039;ve used spiders, core-hounds, silithids, all in the past, and I still gotta say my little Niflheim dishes out the most pain. I never liked the skins of those birds, but with Wrath we got a more creepy, less gaudy, looking bird without large tail feathers to get in the way of the wings, which can sometimes be a hassle. I like the screech, it helps me make short work out of enemies via volley, and if I prepare myself for a group attack, a frost trap helps to clean up any stragglers that leave my bird before they&#039;re properly pumped full of arrows. All in all I give Carrion Birds 5 stars! XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Carrion bird, Niflheim, is a great little go-getter! I&#8217;ve used spiders, core-hounds, silithids, all in the past, and I still gotta say my little Niflheim dishes out the most pain. I never liked the skins of those birds, but with Wrath we got a more creepy, less gaudy, looking bird without large tail feathers to get in the way of the wings, which can sometimes be a hassle. I like the screech, it helps me make short work out of enemies via volley, and if I prepare myself for a group attack, a frost trap helps to clean up any stragglers that leave my bird before they&#8217;re properly pumped full of arrows. All in all I give Carrion Birds 5 stars! XD</p>
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		<title>By: Selirisa</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36404</link>
		<dc:creator>Selirisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As A Beast Master I had always used cats.  I tired several different pets, wolves, birds, owls, core hound, even the devilsaur.  Always came back to the cat, the did more damage and worked better.  

When wrath hit i took full advantage of the new groups of pets in Northrend.  Picked up some new cats, got to Dragon Blight were i ran into the carrions, figured what they hey and tamed one.  He leveled with to 80  and &quot;Spike&quot;  just hit 80 3 days ago.  I love him, his  screech works like a a taunt a tank uses, he holds agro just as good as the cats and hits like a truck.  Plus I love watching him knock his target on there hineys!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As A Beast Master I had always used cats.  I tired several different pets, wolves, birds, owls, core hound, even the devilsaur.  Always came back to the cat, the did more damage and worked better.  </p>
<p>When wrath hit i took full advantage of the new groups of pets in Northrend.  Picked up some new cats, got to Dragon Blight were i ran into the carrions, figured what they hey and tamed one.  He leveled with to 80  and &#8220;Spike&#8221;  just hit 80 3 days ago.  I love him, his  screech works like a a taunt a tank uses, he holds agro just as good as the cats and hits like a truck.  Plus I love watching him knock his target on there hineys!!</p>
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		<title>By: Yvelle</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36381</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only who likes the Screech sound effect?  LOL.  To me, it&#039;s the sound of my pet doing it job.  I understand how annoying that could get, especially if you&#039;re not used to it.  But I always got a little thrill knowing my bird/bat (pre-3.0.2) was dishing it out.  My main problem was the effect of its wings, forcing me to tab-target, or assist button, when I was in a group/instance.

Unfortunately, I haven&#039;t had enough experience in Wrath to judge the &quot;new&quot; Screech, and review it.  But I love Tempest (my carrion bird), and she&#039;s with me for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only who likes the Screech sound effect?  LOL.  To me, it&#8217;s the sound of my pet doing it job.  I understand how annoying that could get, especially if you&#8217;re not used to it.  But I always got a little thrill knowing my bird/bat (pre-3.0.2) was dishing it out.  My main problem was the effect of its wings, forcing me to tab-target, or assist button, when I was in a group/instance.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I haven&#8217;t had enough experience in Wrath to judge the &#8220;new&#8221; Screech, and review it.  But I love Tempest (my carrion bird), and she&#8217;s with me for good.</p>
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		<title>By: JaySee</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/12/02/rfc-carrion-birds-and-demoralizing-screech/comment-page-1/#comment-36377</link>
		<dc:creator>JaySee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prior to patch 3, my long time solo questing buddy was an owl. When patch 3 arrived, I tamed a dire raven for the demoralizing screech AOE ability.  My goal was to be avoid pulling agro from multiple MOBs during a heal.  I did not expect to be able to use volley or multi-shot.

As an AOE threat generator, the Carrion Bird’s demoralizing screech is just as annoying but not quite as useful as the pre 3 screech.  That is, it still aggros nearby neutral MOBs, but does not hold threat against heals as well. My pre-patch owl almost never lost agro to a heal. The dire raven loses agro more frequently.   I am not sure why this is, but I suspect it is because it doesn’t go off as often.  Prior to patch 3, screech was essentially a focus dump skill.  When I would turn off claw, my owl would spam screech almost continually whereas even with 3 points in longevity, demoralizing screech only goes off every 7 seconds.  It does generate AOE threat, you just have to be more careful in the timing of a heal (and don’t even think about volley).  

Otherwise, demoralizing screech is a decent skill.  It does some direct damage to the primary target and the AOE debuff aids survivability against multiple MOBS.  The carrion bird is a good ferocity pet for solo leveling.  

I concur with those who wish the “Birds of Prey” were the ferocity/screech pets.  Although the raven is not a bad looking pet, I miss my beautiful snowy owl which now spends most of it’s time in the stable since I don’t PVP.

That said, using a gorilla becomes addicting.  It’s ability to hold aggro on a whole pack of MOBs while you volley them down is hard to pass up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to patch 3, my long time solo questing buddy was an owl. When patch 3 arrived, I tamed a dire raven for the demoralizing screech AOE ability.  My goal was to be avoid pulling agro from multiple MOBs during a heal.  I did not expect to be able to use volley or multi-shot.</p>
<p>As an AOE threat generator, the Carrion Bird’s demoralizing screech is just as annoying but not quite as useful as the pre 3 screech.  That is, it still aggros nearby neutral MOBs, but does not hold threat against heals as well. My pre-patch owl almost never lost agro to a heal. The dire raven loses agro more frequently.   I am not sure why this is, but I suspect it is because it doesn’t go off as often.  Prior to patch 3, screech was essentially a focus dump skill.  When I would turn off claw, my owl would spam screech almost continually whereas even with 3 points in longevity, demoralizing screech only goes off every 7 seconds.  It does generate AOE threat, you just have to be more careful in the timing of a heal (and don’t even think about volley).  </p>
<p>Otherwise, demoralizing screech is a decent skill.  It does some direct damage to the primary target and the AOE debuff aids survivability against multiple MOBS.  The carrion bird is a good ferocity pet for solo leveling.  </p>
<p>I concur with those who wish the “Birds of Prey” were the ferocity/screech pets.  Although the raven is not a bad looking pet, I miss my beautiful snowy owl which now spends most of it’s time in the stable since I don’t PVP.</p>
<p>That said, using a gorilla becomes addicting.  It’s ability to hold aggro on a whole pack of MOBs while you volley them down is hard to pass up.</p>
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