Ghostcrawler on Loque’nahak
Our favorite Blizzard poster, Ghostcrawler, stopped by the WotLK Beta Hunter forum today to comment on the availability of Loque’nahak, the one and only Spirit Beast:
In case it’s not obvious, we added that creature and let it be tamable as a challenge for dedicated hunters. One of the things we hear from hunters often is that some of them liked the old-school gameplay of having to work really hard for a rare pet that would garner lots of attention. With so many new pets available, we didn’t think it would be a problem to have one that was relatively difficult to tame. He doesn’t provide a huge dps increase, so there shouldn’t be a need to tame him.
On the one hand, I can see what GC is getting at. On the other hand, I think he may be underestimating our definition of “need”. *grin* What do you guys think?
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hmm..I like the idea myself. I think that there needs to be a handful of rare pets like that to keep things intresting. There is no feeling like walking into an area with a rare pet that people know you had to take the time and dedication to get, not to mention it makes that pet all the more unique to you as the hunter.
In my opinon it gives those pets a unique personality and would hold a special place in a hunters heart.
I’m not a huge fan of the Spirit Beast. I’d love to see a few more, even if they were hard to get.
I’m actually incredibly happy with my current pets except for the Croc. He’s just a place holder for the next sixteen levels on my Troll Hunter.
For Kuranai, it was incredibly hard to get her Moth. First she had to run the gauntlet to get to the boat, then take the boat to Azuremyst, THEN run the gauntlet to get into the Draenei start zone. But, I have to say, I love that moth.
I like the idea, but I hope they had a few more. If it’s just one spirit beast per tree, I’ll be happy. I would love to get a rare, hard to find creature, but I’ve never been a cat person.
i like Behemot’s idea, maybe a spirit beast for ALL the classes? moth, gorilla, dragonhawk, all with a special, unique, one skin only appearance.
Eh, we’ve got rare tames around. We don’t need a spirit beast for each class.
I kinda DO like the idea of “The Great White Cat” Hunt… it kinda DOES put something out there to set you apart from the casual hunter. It’s a mark of prestige. Of Dedication.
I can totally get behind that. He’s all the much more cool because he’s the only one.
How many people tamed Humar because he was the ONLY black lion (( and not isn’t?)) Lots… Lots did.
This is the next step in that. Humar was rare and low lvl. Now we have this as the penicle of rarity at high lvl.
It’ll be hard to get him. But I’m one of those guys that waited hours for Humar. Waited hours for my white and blue gorilla. I can hunt this elusive cat and feel all the more better when I finally tame him.
Good job blizzard.
I think Something that Blizz should do is also make a really rare, one-of-a-kind exotic for Tenacity and Cunning, too. It would make it more fair for the hunters out there (Like me) who are fans of Tenacity (Gotta lvoe lower level charge :D)
I agree that it is great to have pets that are hard to get. Long re-spawn times are NOT the way to do it. All that shows is the ability to camp one spot. Boring. Blizzard did have a hard to tame pet, the ghost wolf, so they know it can be done (even if it was an accident).
For my draenei huntress this “spirit cat” is a must-have, no matter what the dps is. It fits the draenei race just perfectly.
While we are on the subject of much sought after pets: I finally managed to tame Nuramoc with my draenei although it is heavily farmed on my full server. I can only recommend to try your luck when hardly anyone – even the most dedicated folks – aren’t playing anymore. This ideal time seems to be around 3 to 5 o’clock early in the morning, and if you’re lucky your target spawns within that small time frame (Nuramoc spawned at 4:15 for me) ^^
I think that’s an interesting concept, but it’d be much better, and make more sense, if there were a few one-of-a-kind types of pets. Maybe there can be another tenacity pet, like an armadillo? >:3
–> Eh, we’ve got rare tames around. We don’t need a spirit beast for each class.
Not necessarily a spirit beast, but something like that. For example, maybe tenacity can have a big pet classified as a ‘Great Beast’ that is extremely rare (Like a rare, high level Kodo or something) that could have stampede + a unique move.
I just think that, while I like the idea of rare pets, it shouldn’t be limited to one family/tree.
I like the idea of hard to get, but I still believe there needs to be more than one. Someone should suggest this. Make a whole bunch of spirit beasts, maybe black with white runes and the blue glowing fangs. But leave the white one a rare spawn.
Like someone suggested before, make this spirit beast like Humar the Pridelord. If you want a Spirit Beast, well then, there should be plenty around! But if you want a white spirit beast like Loque’nahak, well then get settled to camp for him.
Rare spawn pets == very cool.
Rare spawn exotic pets == cool, but that better not be all there is ;)
meh… not fond of the idea of a pet family represented by a single rare spawn. Possibly I’m just not consummate enough…
Its cool, but not as cool as a ghost wolf :)
I don’t like the idea of there being JUST ONE spirit beast.
When I first got word of the spirit beast family, I immediately thought “ghost wolf!” I also thought of ghost sabers… How cool if the wolf become tamable once again? And what about the saber being moved to the spirit beast family? I suppose this could upset some people. Though, with all the drastic family changes, perhaps it would not be a big deal.
Am I the only one who immediately thought “ghost wolf” when they heard “spirit beast?”
I’d like a spirit Beast for each pet.
Seriously, a skin for each pet family in the ghostly look. Make it a really rare spawn. Make it work to get it.
I’ll still do what it takes to tame him when I get up to that level. I spent many hours camping in ungoro for my gorilla, and just spent 2 1/2 days of constant checking to finally get the Silithid Ravager. The harder it is to get, the less hunters will have it and you’ll feel that much more of an accomplishment when you get the beautiful creature. :)
Fen: It seemed alot of people thought “Ghost Wolf!” when they heard spirit Beast. However, I would give up on that ever happening. Blizzard seems hellbent on Hunters not getting Ghost Wolves again, so I wouldn’t hold my breath. However, Ghost sbaer moving into this family would piss off ALOT of people. Alot of level 19-20 hunters make that their pet, and the same with Surv and MM hunters. If their favorite beast suddenly became an exotic, there would be an uproar of an epic scale D=
I just hope Blizzard does an option like I stated before. “Humar = Spirit Beast”
man..I want Ghost wolf to be tameable again… :(
oh well. Yeah I have a few pets that wouldnt normally been seen at 70. Humar and Ghost Saber also got Rak from winterspring..eh I just like them rare ones lol.
Making a rare spawn be the only representative of a family seems like a bad idea to me. People are going to be camping this thing for months on end.
I’d rather they had a variety of spirit beasts, not just cat-types, and make them a challenge to tame. Maybe spawned at the end of a long quest chain, or in a raid instance, rather than just being a rare spawn that has to be camped.
I think that’s why the Ghost Wolf was so popular. It required cooperation and effort to tame, not just a grind.
I think that the pets are perfect the way they are. The rares that prowl in the wilds right now are the ones that SHOULD be there, and no more. Think about it: The more rare pets there are, the more common it will become to see a rare pet beside a hunter. Really, how rare are they then? I can’t tell you how many Humars I’ve seen running around in Orgrimmar. Even though it’s a rare, EVERYONE wants the rare pet! Everyone wants the special pet! And thus, that makes the regular pets a lot more rare than the others.
To sum up what I just said, I think Blizzard has it perfect right now. Any more rares would ruin the balance of rare vs. regular pets.
To my next point: I think that this one rare is perfect! Many hunters will be after it, but only the most dedicated will come out of Northrend with this beautiful beast. It’s a dog-eat-dog world!
In short, I believe that rares are wonderful, and they really separate the hunters from the totally epic hunters. But at the same time, no more are needed.
And with that, I draw my post to a close. ^__^
I really like the idea — I love the idea of camping out for a rare pet, and think making it easy would be pointless. I do think there should be more spirit beasts around, though. Dedicated hunters would probably love the idea and love the choices for rarer pets.
Personally, I’d much prefer an outdoor rare to something in a raid instance. Raid instances are pretty much a no-go for me.
I like the idea of it, but in practice it’s just frustrating.
It’s the same sort of deal I went through to capture my eversong woods red lynx at level 34. I leveled him from 6 to my level, and although the experience has made sure that Radix is with me no matter what, it was annoying. Camping for a rare pet must be the same kind of feeling.
I like this. Don’t change anything, perfect. :3
Also, I doubt they’re going to make Ghost Wolves tamable anytime in the near future because they’re a buggy pet and I don’t think Blizz is going to fix their bugs just so hunters can tame them. Likewise I doubt they’ll release a pet -on purpose- that they already know is bugged without fixing it first.
Honestly, the idea that Humar is hovering around tenth on the popularity list just boggles the mind! And that skinny cat and the even skinnier wolf is on the list at all? I must be getting old, lol
Misty: Only the Grimtotem Spirit Guides have the bugged walk/run issue. The SFK wolves and the Ghost wolves shamans get (which use the same skin) all run just fine. It was mainly programmed to walk since it was intended to only live for 7.5 seconds.
Ge: Why wouldn’t all those pets be on the list? Those wolves and Spirit Beast have very very nice textured models, even if you don’t like it X3 Though, Wolves and Cats are by far the most popular pet of any realms’ Hunters.
It seems like it’s going to be something that’s going to cause a lot of griefing…
Multiple hunters camping a mob, when it pops, hunter A gets the tame off before hunter B, hunter B gets angry and kills it before it’s done being tamed…
I like this beast – though I admit I’ll probably let things settle down a lot before I try to tame it. mostly because I don’t like the competition. My orc went out on patch day to tame a devilsaur, was nearly 90% into the tame and the dwarf hunter watching attacked it. rude. he kited it off and thought to tame it himself, but I was bent enough about it, I killed it (he nearly killed it kiting it) with a couple of shots.
I got one eventually but waiting until the children were done.
same with this. I like the challage, and the learning that comes from the attempts. Ghost Wolf was a great example of learning the mechanics to get your tame. I missed mine because I couldn’t get enough folks together in time. had the matts, didn’t have the people. being a solo player essentially it was hard to garner the folks to participate. I prefer the tame to be very difficult and soloable. learning how to tame the enraged ravager at 17 with the knockdown – that was satisfying. and so on.
I’d rather a darker cat – or more ghostly, but the tame is where it’s at for me.
shibumi
I think there should be more spirit beasts but I think the white one should just stay rare maybe make the other spirit beasts not look as cool as the white one but I think making a family for one pet is just dumb maybe make the cursed offspring spirit beasts too i don’t see why not the offspring should be just as much of a spirit beast as the white one. I don’t think it’s fair to just have one spirit beast especially one on such a long spawn timer alot of people like me have lives we don’t have the time to sit around and wait to get it I like cats but i’m not getting it if it’s gonna be this hard that’s why there should be different colors just don’t make them look as cool as the white one.
I’m… unsure. If the spawn works like clockwork, one a set timer that isn’t one week, thats one thing. Then it takes some patience, and isn’t so bad. Everyone who wants it can get it, if they like. On the other hand, though, I don’t really think camping out waiting for a spawn is a definition of skill. A definition of skill would be, for example, putting a rare spawn in the middle of Osh’Gun in Nagrand. If you’ve ever tried, it takes a bit to get in there, but it isn’t impossible to solo.
My personal opinion is this: A rare spawn, beautiful skin of a family is great. A rare spawn, entire family is not so great.
makeing it a griefer magnet is not a good way to go about giveing us a challange.all its going to do is piss off hunters.then gms who have to deal with the pissed off hunters.
adding killing it to the achevement list isnt going to help any eather…
I really think Blizz has the right intention at heart, don’t get me wrong. before getting Echeyakee was a trophy for low level Alliance Hunters. Getting Humar has always been one of the favorite Hunter”rites of passage” on many realms.
I think having Loque’nahak as the only WHITE spirit beast is fine. But make more common Spirit beasts. Like Black ones with white runes to replace the “cursed offspring” perhaps. Make Loque’nahak the “Humar” of the Spirit Beasts. He’s a unique rare spawn of a family, but shouldn’t the be the ENTIRE family.
I also dont believe that Loque’nahak should be on the achievement list if Blizzard wants him to be a rare and “trophy” esque Hunter pet.
@shadow
you have ONE period in that whole paragraph… lol I do that all the time when i get excited.
Personally I agree that there shouldn’t ever be one pet that is its whole family. That’s just too much pressure on that one pet anyway, rare spawn or not. Camping doesn’t indicate skill per se, more like dedication or perseverance (or caffeine addiction o.0).
IMO Loque will be my pet no matter what, I love cats in-game, and Loque has the best skin so far. I tamed Humar on two different hunters and the first one was great because no one had him (Original WoW), but now seems like 1/4 of all Cat Hunters have Humar which lowers his prestige a bit.
What I would like to see is enough *good* alternatives to Loque that most casual hunters won’t bother getting him since he isn’t THAT much better and I can have him all to my self *evil grin*
The problem is that since Loque is the only family member people that don’t care about skins will get him just for his abilities which makes it a bit unfair for the vanity oriented people.
He will be mine!!
lol
The following should be the “Spirit Beast” one-of-a-kind pets for Cunning and Tenacity
Armadillo(I liked that) for Tenacity, and maybe a Mantis for cunning. Ihose would just make my Heart Ake for WotLK even more :D
@brandon lol I just wasn’t paying attention to my paragraph but i’m not excited just annoyed that blizzard thinks it’s a good idea just to have this one pet be the only family member of it’s family. I really want a spirit beast I just don’t have time to sit there at my computer for hours just to wait for it and compete with other people and you know because of that achievement people will kill it and there will be some people that will kill it just cus it’s a rare cus they want an item from it or just to be a jerk to hunters. I’m also not impressed with the this model for the spirit beast i’d like for there to be a lion or lynx model for the spirit beast.
I also think blizzard should add more totally unique creatures to tame like foxes and weasels it’s crazy that weasels aren’t a beast in game there’s enchant mongoose and mongoose bite and elixir of the mongoose how can you use the name of a creature that isn’t even in the game. we have raptor strike because raptors are in the game and we have mongoose bite so weasels should be in the game too.
Rikaku,
You actually hit on an idea that I’d love to see Blizzard implement. Class specific achievements. One of them for Hunters could be about collecting certain number of diverse pets, or specific pets, etc.
I’m not a huge fan of Spirit Beasts, so I’ll pass on that one. Then again, I never liked Humar, or really cared about any of those ‘trophy’ pets.
I wasn’t aware that he was an achievement to kill. That’s just wrong. This is really going to be a challenge for EVERYONE, hunter, non-hunter, and GM alike.
I won’t be going for this one. I don’t mind being labeled as a casual hunter if that’s the case, and that achievement thing is quite ridiculous. Come on, Blizzard!
When I mean unique creatures I mean new families that aren’t in the game yet not one of a kind creatures just in case someone gets confused by what I meant. I’m totally against there being just one member to a family.
I would love there to be both one-of-a-kind creatures and new families. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE The fact that Blizzard made a rare pet that everyone would camp (Because then you’ll be less likely to see my wasp :D) but I believe that the Spirit Beast is Over Rated. All Blizzard did was take a cat, make its face glow blue and give it an arcane attack. What Happened? People fell in love with it! don’t get me wrong, Its a cool model, but its not enough to have me go out of my way and try to camp its respawn location with 60 other hunters just for that one pet. Too mmany people might use that and you ay not see very many other pets. pretty soon, the super rare exotic is no longer super rare, for everyone in Iron Forge or Undercity will have one.
I personally(Unless my brother gets it :P) will not be taing the Spirit Beast, because WHO, my owl, will be one of the pets you will never see anymore. and SonOfaBee, my Blacksting model wasp, will also be a rare one to find after WotLK. If anyone has any arguements on this please say something. I love to hear other peoples’ oppinions.
TY for your tie :)
I do like the idea of having rare and unusual pets, ones that that are difficult to tame. But just making it something you have to camp for? It doesn’t require skill, only patience.
Well … a LOT of patience but still, I’d like to see something different. Part of the reason so many people loved the ghost wolf was that is required the player to think. The player had to bend the mechanics of the game to their limit for the tame to be successful. It wasn’t just another “kill 923124432 of this thing” or “wait three weeks for X to show up” mechanic.
It was different.
It required forethought and strategy.
It was fun.
Even if Blizzard never gives us the same ghost wolf back, I would like them to give us pets that give us the same sort of challenge. Whether it be pets that require exceptionally fast spell casting, or some other bending of game mechanics, I want a real challenge. Not just waiting in line for a beast to spawn.
Honestly? I think this (as it is now) is good.. Now, I still keep my opinion that they should allow some other beasts to be tamable (like basalisks) – but as it is for this very expansion, they’ve given us plenty to play with.. though we can always want more.. heck – we can want a unique (like the spirit beast) per tree (tenacity, cunning).. but I doubt we’ll get it. Or – even still, people could want a spirit beast per pet family – but that’s even less likely (and would probably kill the appeal).
How would it kill the appeal? Right now it just seems they’re catering to the cat lovers, again. And since so many different types of beasts are worshiped by various races, it stands to reason that there would be spirit forms of many of them.
If they did only one Spirit Beast for each family and made them as difficult to find as Loque, it would give everyone a chance to bag a Spirit version of their favorite, instead of having five hundred thousand hunters camping out for one animal (those hunters that like cats, anyways). Make some you have to summon first, some that only appear under certain situations (like during weather times when it’s raining/sandstorming/heavy snowfall/etc, or if you kill a lot of normal beasts of the same type it appears to enact bloody vengeance), or you can only find them in certain instances. That I would have no problem with.
Besides, can you imagine a Spirit Devilsaur, or a Spirit Dragonhawk? They’d be some scary-looking beasties.
Bleh, a one-of-a-kind spirit beast is no big deal (IMO). Like GC said the only thing really worth this guy is (prolly) his unique skin. To me, its not really worth my time to spawn-camp something so minor. My Devilsaur (dps), and Gorilla (tank) is enough fer me. If I happen upon him (did someone say rare spawn achievement?), I’d prolly just kill’em, teehee! Ja, Naughty
Hmmmm…I can’t say that mearly having a “Rare” spawn tamable pet, where you have to camp its spawn points for days on end is really appealing to me. I dont think having a rediculously re-spawn time is the way to go, as the pet just ends up becoming a common sight as a hunter pet, much the way Humor did…
I would suggest that a pet that blizz wants to have as a true test of hunters capabilities would be:
1. A Rare spawn
2. Hard to tame (ie. resists traps/ sleep/ etc)
3. Located in a dungeon (and or Raid dungeon) (mid-way or towards the end)
What this translates to is this:
A tamable pet, thats a rare spawn (like a 1/10 chance it’ll be there) inside a dungeon, located in such a way as not to be solo’d. Have it resist traps etc so that even if you manage to find it, its not going down easy. Give it a knock-back or fear ability to add to the challange. Add to all that that you still need to get a group or people to go with you to even attempt to tame this beast, but even giving the beast a Really good drop table, so that its…preferable to non-hunters to kill it for the drops.
THAT, to me seems like a better and even more ACTIVE way for Blizzard to make a true rare pet.
Right now we just have the “park n’ wait” hunters with no life who camp an area, check back to their comp every 5-10min and otherwise watch tv and eat cheetos while they chat on msn or something…
Ya know? If blizzard wants us to be active on the game, and doing things, then it would seem that for rare pets like this, they need to keep us moving, keep us active, and socializing with other players…Truely relying on other players for help…
If its a beast thats immune to Traps…why not have it suseptible to “Entangeling roots” or that ice thing that mages can do, or even be stunned by a pallys judgement. Give us a pet thats a CHALLANGE to tame, not a snooze-fest “Park n’ Wait’.
As for whats going on with spirit beasts…well, if the cat models all they’re going to have then whats the point…its a glorified cat model that uses arcane instead of nature…call it a confused member of the cat family…
Blizz really needs to let us know whats going on with “Spirit Beasts” Are thay all going to be cat models? or are they going to introduce a model for each of the exsisting families? Or introduce a new model?
All we can do right now is speculate…though it would be nice if they cut back the spawn timer on the beta so we can get a bit more info on the current spirit beast.
I don’t have a problem with there being a rare spawn pet as a challenge to try and acquire it. But is the reward for this challenge the skin or the spirit beast family? Should there be more pets tamable in the spirit beast family, or is that what makes it unique? I can see not ever allowing another tamable pet with that skin.
It seems people want another way to get a spirit beast. If we assume the reward for taming Loque’nahak is the skin, then we can allow for other pets in the spirit beast family. What if a stable master could upgrade your Ghost Wolf or Ghost Saber to be a spirit beast? Maybe even with a quest to do so, or a cost in gold. Would people do this? It would be completely opt-in, so you could keep your pet as a wolf or cat if you prefer.
To be perfectly honest, if BigRedKitty hasn’t tracked down the damn thing yet, there’s NO WAY I ever will. And I like to think I’m fairly dedicated. I mean, Araga is a fairly tough tame, right?
Makoes.the only problem with giveing it a nice loot table,is that the rest of the group might decide that the loot is more important then the hunter getting a nice pet.it can already a pain tameing things with friends who know what theyre doing.pugs would be hell.
druids root spell also causes damage over time (and can somehow break itself doing so :| ).i think the mage freezeing spell does damage to.hibernate however is wonderful…
If they want it to be ultra-rare, but still have variety, they could create spirit beasts based on a number of different creatures, but only spawn one spirit beast total at any one time (if any at all, since it’s rare). That’d make it a huge challenge, and very special for a hunter to finally find the one they’re after.
A spirit beast for each family, you say?
Hell yeah, I’d die to get a spirit crab. Glowing eyestalks and everything.
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Now we’re talking, if there’s any MM’ers or survalists around, who want a rare, but doesn’t wanna respec for it, there’s plenty of rare (With rare, I mean pets that almost nobody have) non-exotics.
For example, if you’re a low level horde, having an owl from Elfland shows that you’re srs bznz. Or if you’re alliance, and have a horde-only pet. Like the red kitty from Bloodelfland.
Ok, I better stop now, before I get too carried away, eh.
My thoughts on the whole Spirit Beast Thing, which my guy chirpped in on… went something like this. Its a rare-spawn, okay. Its a hard to get rare spawn (like Grunter) Okay. How often is this thing going to be running around 6 months down the road? He’s gonna be EVERYWHERE. How many people do you know that have Humar? I’ve had him on 3 diffrent hunters. I waited for six hours on one, just to get ahold of that cat. On the other two? I just happened to be running by so I swung up and checked. Got it.
I’ve also had Rak’shiri, Sian Rotam, Shy Rotam, Eche, and just about every other rare-spawn you can tame with the exceptions of Old Cliff Jumper (killed him w/o realizing it was a rare spawn),Grunter, Agra, and Broken Tooth.
This pet is going to be one of those that every hunter wants because it looks cool and everyone else will get sick of it pretty darn fast.
Ah well, this is life. And I think I’m going to go check and see if Grunter is up… never ran into him back in the old days… might as well!
@tzia the spirit beast isn’t just another skin his technique is different from regular cats and also exotics do 10% more damage with their special techniques this might mean that if your a bm hunter it would be better to have him since he’d do a bit more damage then a regular cat
Eh, I do not like the idea of making the one and only Spirit Beast so extremely rare. There really do need to be alot more Spirit Beasts. And I hate having thought of what Ghost Crawler said (I knew this before this post). But after some thinking, I’m gonna maybe have 1 of those Exotic, Northrend worms, just for raids, until I can replace that stupid thing with a Spirit Beast.
I agree with kristy there needs to be more spirit beasts I want the spirit beast because of his technique and because he’s exotic since their specials do 10% more damage he might be better than a regular cat.
I could careless for the skin I just want it for the technique but since it’s gonna be so hard to get and because I have a life i’m definately not getting it I really like cats so I want it but it’s just too much trouble.
Hmm, I think I may have a solution to the whole no skill needed thing. Instead of making tames just rare; put the spawns themselves in almost unreacable locations, somewhere that would take a LOT of effort to get, i.e. a high mountain somewhere in Azeroth(So you cant just fly to it). Imagine having trekked for about 2 hours, through Snow-Covered mountain peaks and across deep, tropical valleys; only to reach your destination and find your quarry. Silhoutted against the Evening Sun, powerful and imposing, waiting for its master. If you ask me ^^ Thats hunting.
I liked getting my pure white Wind Serpent back when only the couple of rare spawns were ones with “normal” (non-caster) stats. Now that they can gotten by pretty much anyone since they can be gotten by whoever happens to prowl through 1k Needles, I feel rather miffed. This is the one point where I don’t like caster stats being gone. xD
Having a rare spawn being in it’s own family feels weird. But having more unique skins on tamable rare spawns – count me in. I also don’t want all the “really cool” pets/skins be Exotic, because that would piss my particular “pet-centric Survival” game :P
I want my blue or bright red Tallstrider, dangit! :D
…I just dont like the thought of blizz making yet another Camp-o-thon pet…Yeah, arcane damage dealing pet might be fun, and the internal glow is cool, though the fact that its a cat model miffs me a bit, which is why I am hoping they bring out another spirit beast so we can get a better ide of where they’re going with this. But really my main big miff is the whole “camp-o-thon” Rare is starting to get the deffinition of
Rare: To park your character inactivly in one are for an undertermined amount of time till the spawn timers up on wanted pet.
Said pet will be common companions for those hunters with no life.
Rare pets arent rare, they’re just blizzard being to lazy to come up with a better way to make Hunters HUNT pets…
….I really shouldnt be posting at 4am….
I find myself very conflicted on the spirit beasts. While I don’t consider myself to be an especially gifted “player” of the game, I do pride myself on being a “hunter” of patience and skill and have been able to catch many rare pets because of this. Humar has been Morgrimsson’s primary pet since he could first get him, and my next dwarf made the long run to get a springpaw stalker as soon as he was level 10. Cats have long been my favorite pets in game, and as previously stated Humar is my main’s pet, and he also has Rak’Shiri. I love hunting rares to tame, and the prestige that goes with them at least early in their availability. Loque’nahak fits that description, and his catlike skin makes him even more appealing. However, I don’t like the anger and spitefulness that staking-out such a singular pet fosters between hunters, especially amongst younger and more self-centered hunters both within and across-faction. Also, as several have mentioned killing him is also the object of Northern Exposure, and this will only add to the chaos and bad feeling as warriors, rogues, warlocks and every other class gets in on the action. I feel for the hunter that finally finds him and almost completes the tame only to have a non-hunter ride up and slaughter Loque regardless of the hunter’s efforts. But that is just me. Bringing my rant to a close here, I am a solo hunter to the hilt, and while this behavior makes it basically impossible to get some pets I want (ghost wolf and ancient core hound to name a few), I like that Loque fits that availability profile and I will probably be one of the many getting cozy in Sholazar until he stalks into view. However, I worry about the player-dynamic that will result from his desirability and his exclusiveness as the sole Spirit Beast. I like that he is unique, but in the end perhaps it would be better to have another, more common (though differently skinned) Spirit Beast to at least lessen the bad blood that will inevitably surround him should things stay as they are. Regardless of what happens, good luck and good hunting everyone.
personally i hate the spawn.it has nothing to do with skill,it is luck.i have been camping it for over a month now with no luck and i have seen people who have been there less than a day or so lucky enough to be there as it spawns.
plus once wotlk goes live it will be hunted constantly by the achievement junkies.
I have two 70 hunters and the fav thing i always liked was waiting on that rare spawn. I remember waiting like 7 hours i think it was on Rak’Shiri back when alliance had to work to get those two cats from Everlook. I love the idea of the hard tame. I didn’t read alot of the above posts but I think it would be awesome to have a pet “reward” for taming all the rare spawns in the game. Like the achievements with the mounts and vanity pets. We would just get a chance to go up against a very unique pet to tame to show other hunters our dedication that we put in. You always read about the hunters who camped a spawn for days for that special pet that caught their eye and you also read that those other hunters out there just bump into that same pet without waiting at all. So with all this being said, bring on the grand beast and let us dedicated hunters show off how much we really care,want,love our pets. Shoot, I even miss the old hunter quest to get our bow and stave.
TAKE IT OFF THE ACHIEVEMENT LIST!!….please.
Otherwise it will all come down to luck whether or not any hunter ever has this beautiful pet by their side.I would love to have her,but not with 500,000 other
hunters camping her,and the other 8,625,942 warriors,rogues,druids,shammies,pally’s
and death knights all waiting just to kill her for their achievement.Bah!
Blizz needs to remove that achievement ASAP,imo.
Kitairra
I have been talking about this idea for some time now and I feel it would be a great idea for hunters.
The idea is to have a Quest line that you get from the hunter trainer at certain levels or as you reach certain acheivements that allows you to do a line of quests that leads to a great Beast. It could be kill so many of a certain type and then the MOTHER of all of that type will appear in a glorious shiny RARE skin with a special ability. After this point you can tame this creature.
I think it would be a great new twist on earning a rare beast to be proud of. Not just camping a area and trying to stop any other hunter from taming a pet by killing it.
I raid with a cat. I have always raided with a cat. Not doing so would be… just not right. With the recent posts saying that exotics are getting a 10% DPS boost, I would feel that I’m selling my raid short by not bringing an exotic. Solo and 5 mans you can use whatever, but in a raid if I don’t bring my A game I could be wasting the time and effort of 24 other people. Thus, I NEED a spirit beast, its the exotic cat.
Hopefully its not going to be a big enough difference to make me feel I have to take an exotic, but I fear it will.
Special skins should be rare, an entire pet class should not.
Ganieda and Schrodinger, Argent Dawn
Have to admit I love ‘rare’ pets, but I don’t like the type of rare that means “log in and out or run around for hours waiting for a spawn”. I don’t have the time for that, or the patience really. I DO have the time and patience to run long distances and do stupid things to get odd pets, though, and I’ve created multiple hunters JUST to get the pets I want.
Some examples:
I like Ressan, the white bat in Tirisfal Glades; even though he’s not particularly hard to tame, he’s cute, and his skin is practically unique. (I’m actually sad that Bats have lost Screech, I must be one of the very few people who like the way it sounds!)
I have a level 12 blood elf hunter with a white bear from Dun Morogh (Bjarn). He’s rare because the two white bears in Dun Morogh are the only white bears under level fifty-something, and horde don’t have an easy time getting to them.
Ditto my level 11 troll hunter with one of the white cats from Dun Morogh.
My bank toon is a level 21 blood elf hunter with Zarakh, the unique spider from Bloodmyst Isle. You really have to jump through some hoops to get a Horde toon to Bloodmyst at low levels.
My highest-level hunter (now level 68, go go Caleanon!) is also a blood elf; he spent levels 10-36 with a ravager. (Hoops. Trust me. The simplest way involves deliberately drowning yourself.) Now he has the Kurken, the white core hound (hmmm… why does the draenae start area have so many of the good pets?).
Level 19 blood elf hunter called Beauty, with Deathclaw, the bear that’s the only lowbie sharing the look of the diseased bears in Felwood and the Plaguelands, renamed to Beast. (Bloodmyst Isle AGAIN!) Yes, I did it for the name combo, and I server-hopped until I found one where that name wasn’t taken.
Another blood elf hunter, male this time, with Timber from Dun Morogh. Erm… this is embarrassing, but I named him Sesshoumaru and the wolf is now Inuyasha. *blush*
Alliance don’t seem to have the same opportunities for “how the heck did you get THERE to tame THAT?” pets that Horde do, though at some point I guess I’ll take one up to Silvermoon for a red lynx… but I do have a level 16 draenae huntress that has tamed Echeyakee. On a PvP server, too, which made it interesting!
Um… I think I had a point when I started typing this… oh! Right! *ahem* I agree with several other commenters, Mania; I love rare pet skins and ones that are difficult to get, but I don’t think a stupidly long spawn timer is the way to go. If I get to Northrend and see that Spirit Beast in passing, I’m likely to try to tame it… but I won’t camp it. (Make it a fast respawn and put it on top of a mountain through a spider-infested cave in enemy territory, though, and I am so there!)
While taming the devilsaurs on opening day, I and several other hunters in Un’Goro came across a unique problem; another hunter (Pharazon, US-Norgannon-A) was attacking and killing devilsaurs as other hunters tried to tame them.
The exact same thing will happen with the Spirit Beast, because apparently the day of hunter to hunter courtesy are over.
While I’d like to tame the weird kitty, I don’t need the extra ulcer from competing with eighty other people trying to kill it.
@ Nyx – that hunter sounds like a real charmer. On the plus side, his/her behaviour is not universal; one of my guildmates joined a queue of about six hunters, mixed Horde and Alliance, waiting to tame the Kurken on the day after patch. Apparently it was a lot of fun, with minimal ass-hatted behaviour and a lot of Feign Death, dancing, flares and random emotes while they waited. On the minus side, the asshat behaviour isn’t unique to Pharazon; when a different friend of mine went to tame the Kurken there was an Ally hunter there, killing it every time someone tried to tame it. *sigh* There are morons out there.
Personally, I like the idea of a rare spawn remaining just that: a rare spawn. I spent about three days going back and forth between Duskwallow Marsh and Silithus trying to catch a glimpse of either Oozeworm or Grubthor and my patience paid off last night. I flew into Mudsprocket and as I was flying, I saw the blip on my minimap that said Oozeworm. As soon as I landed I abandoned my placeholder worm I got from RFC and hopped on one of my many mounts and tamed him. I’m now the owner of a yellow skinned worm and to my knowledge I’m the only hunter on Turalyon with the yellow skin.
Wow…(no pun intended) where to start?
I love the thought of a spirit beast family, something unique that stands out, but I also agree that I think it needs to be represented by more than one beast. Bare minimum, I would think it needs to be at least one in each tree, but perhaps it should be one in each family, thus giving us the option to continue to play with that type of pet we enjoy playing with. The SFK wolves are ripe for the spirit beast pickings, and I won’t be suprised if we don’t see a few added when WotLK comes out…if you think of the ‘demon dogs’ in Trisfal Glades, for example, you could easily see them with a slight skin change and one being placed somewhere as a spirit hyena, etc.
I have made the level 10 run from Azuremyst all the way to Eversong to get my red lynx, much of it in ghost form ;) and although it was long and boring and time consuming, their is a great feeling of accomplishment when, as I run through Westfall at level 14 with my alt hunter, I get tells “where did you get that cat?” “that cat is awesome where is it from?”…a sense of having something that, although not unique in the sense of hard to get from a game play mechanics standpoint, something that you rarely if ever see on the alliance side. They came (pre-patch) with no special skills, so you didn’t see them often on the horde side, either. I have also camped the rare spawns from Olm the Wise to Ash the white windserpant from Feralas, so I’ve been down that road, as well.
Having 4 hunters on different servers (pve & pvp) I’ve done some pretty stupid things to get the pet I want and the skin I want and the look I want and the skills I want. I will, no doubt, camp this guy out, too, just to have the uniqueness of him in my guild. My red lynx is more well known in my guild than I am lol.
Either way, I’m loving some of the changes and not as thrilled about some of the others, but that’s what it’s all about, right? Finding that pet that meshes with you and what you want from your companion.
I am lucky enough to have a pet that “garner lots of attention” the day after 3.0 went live I tamed the beautiful and elusive Nuramoc from Netherstorm. Now I Cannot walk around in public with this pet without someone gasping and asking me where I got that Chimaera.
I know you get an Achievement for killing this guy, I wish you got one for taming it as well. I was the first on Kirin Tor to have it ^__^
But I very much agree with Ghostcrawler. We DO need harder pets to tame. Not just rare, but ones that take more effort then just dropping a freeze trap. I hope more pets like the Spirit Beast will be released in WotLK.
Well, here’s the thing. I think that Blizard should make a point of making a larger number of pets LIKE Loque’nahak who are VERY unique and reasonably difficult to tame.
When they make a SINGLE pet this kind of ‘status’ symbol, it suddenly becomes a pet that EVRYONE has.
I’d like to see more variety in unique pets.
I agree one cat shouldn’t be a whole family…and long respawn times are just rediculous. Perhaps Blizz could keep this cat as a rare, but put other models in a spirit beasts. Either way, I’m more inclined to kill this cat than tame it. My silithid is rare enough with everyone running around with devilsaurs and core hounds. Plus I have a worm…which I’ve seen NO ONE else with (not sure I’ll keep him, and I might get a rhino or northrend worm.) I’m all for hunting up rare and challenging pets, but this is rediculous.
BTW, how the heck did you find Numeroc? I’ve read posts of people getting jumped and killed by her, but I’ve NEVER seen this thing…I even flew around where thottbot said she ‘supposedly’ spawns, but found nothing. I’ll probably just kill her when I find her out of frustration.
The issue is, the spirit beast is the raid friendly exotic, it doesnt have the massive size, and spirit strike is going to be the hardest hitting pet special, so every serious hunter will want one for PVE, but will have to compete with the LOLHuntards as well. A pet that is that good should have multiple avenues to be tamed.
@MelRedCap: Yes, you are probably the only one who liked how screech sounds. It gave me eternal migranes!! :P
Anyway, I had enough trouble trying to tame the Terrokarantula, without allies killing it. I was level 65, and it was 65 elite. I failed about 20 times, died about 10, and when I finally got my best priest friend ever to log on and bubble me, along came a gnome. I began taming, and he started killing it! Then some ally shadow priest came along. They both died, and my friend and I were laughing to ourselves. The Terrokarantula doesn’t drop any loot anyway. So, now, I have my pretty red spider, after ally griefing, 20 failed attempts, and about 10 gold in repair bills.
If it caused me THAT MUCH TROUBLE to tame a beast that respawns in 3 minutes, I don’t want to THINK about how bad things will get with the Spirit Beast!
In the end, this beast will be EVERYWHERE. And thus, the non-rares will become the rares.
I was originally a Survival hunter, but none of the Tenacity pets interested me in any way except the worm. I tried the crab, but didn’t like it in the end. So I had to respec. That kind of sucks, because now I’m just one of the crowd. :(
@Dragynphyre: You are absolutely right. The Spirit Beast is a wonderful raid pet. But there shouldn’t ONLY be one! I hadn’t thought of it from that perspective, and so I disagree with my first post, and say that there should be more than one Spirit Beast.
But I’m still not going to tame him. :P
The fact that it’s a spirit beast isn’t what makes it a trophy, it’s that its a rare, unique skin. Basically a Numeroc that is a cat with arcane damage. Adding in a handful of unique skins on rare or hard to tame mobs would reinvigorate the ‘trophy’ aspect of pets, they don’t all need their own families.
And yes, ghost wolves and sabers should be the non-rare members of Spirit Beast. Sorry, marks and survival hunters, but extra awesome pets are for beast masters.
I’m all for rare and difficult tames, but like some have mentioned above I prefer them to be soloable (if outside an instance, I mean). If I had to round up the posse just to snag one beast, I might feel a bit less accomplished than if I died six times and fought alone to capture something few others had. Anyway, I think it would be great if Blizz introduced more Spirit Beasts as time went on, but I think making them easily obtainable would make them less unique, less exotic, and certainly not a mark of accomplishment.
My thoughts boil down to a couple problems I see with the current setup:
1) Rare hunter pets that are rare because of spawn timers shouldn’t give people reasons to seek them out to kill them – and not only are there achievements for killing Northrend rare-spawns, they’re easy to kill if you find them and have very good drops.
2) Rare hunter pets really should just be about the aspect of having a rare, hard to find pet, and not affect class mechanics – so there needs to be a non-rare alternative. Seeing as how you need to be level 60 to be able to tame exotic pets, this alternative really needs to be something they add, not a conversion of a low level pet, even ignoring the problem of existing pets.
3) Rare pets would be much more interesting if they were rare for some reason other than spawn timers. Having to solo into a level 80 instance and get past a couple sets of guards and patrols using feign death and a throw-away pet to spawn a beast that only spawns if a single person is in the instance and the guards to the area are still alive for instance could make for an interesting pet – and yes, it would be a bit reminiscent of the LBRS worg, but forcing you to solo :). Mechanics to make taming a specific pet difficult could also work, although it is less clear to me how this could be done without making it a total gimmick or making it much easier if you had, say, entrapment and scattershot. Either way, this would make it less objectionable to have such a pet have a unique mechanic.
4) In this particular case, GC is seriously deluding himself if he thinks an exotic ferocity pet who’s special ability (not counting prowl that regular cats have) is damage oriented, but takes 28 seconds to stack to 5 won’t either be seriously underpowered, or do at least slightly better dps than most/all other pets if it manages to stack the debuff to 5 and keep it up. Since a single miss, CC, etc, can cause it to miss the one chance it has to refresh the debuff, and 28 seconds is a long time to reach maximum dps potential, in PvP and even some boss fights spirit beasts likely won’t do great dps – but both the fact that the ability appears to be similar to a harder to keep up scorpid poison on an exotic ferocity pet, and the issues with balancing it to be non-terrible until it gets a 5 stack up, make this very likely to be a very good raid dps pet for BM hunters when they can keep it on the boss – which directly contradicts the whole “shouldn’t be a need to tame him” part.
All of these comments = TLDR, all the QQing of others is what makes owning a unique pet all the sweeter.
As one who tamed BT and Lupos back in the day when they offered significant unique advantages, I say it’s about time they did this again, with real distinct uniqueness, both looks and utility-wise.
we need more rare beasts. was plenty in WoW. few in BC. seem to be just as little in Wrath. hunting down these rare creatures is always challenging and it makes u all warm inside when uve finally found and tamed it.
I agree with many here, in that the rare pets, atleast new ones, should have more of a challange than sitting in the same spot waiting. Perhaps the rare pet is in a prowl mode, and wanders a certain area, instead of sitting and staring at the screen, you’d have to actively track him down with track hidden. maybe the rare pet has a ‘strong willed’ buff, making him untamable until he is at or below 50% health and untrappable- now you have to tough out the taming pounding when you’ve already been fighting. pets in unusual places- why not make a rare pet worm that has a % chance of popping out of a body when a mob is killed (i guess he was eating in there- yum,lol). who knows, just various twists from the standard ‘wait for spawn’.
“And yes, ghost wolves and sabers should be the non-rare members of Spirit Beast. Sorry, marks and survival hunters, but extra awesome pets are for beast masters.”
Ok, that is very very untrue. And in the defense of the MM and Surv Hunters, NO GHOSTSABER should EVER be a Spirit Beast. None. None of the already in game (live) beasts should be Spirit Beasts. Just new creatures in Wrath should be. That is unfair to the people who already tamed Ghostsaber.
And as for Ghost wolves… eh thats just a lost cause.
Many people seem to say “wait for spawn” “it’s like BT” “Keep it rare!” Yes. Okay, that’s fine. I think Loque’nahak SHOULD be rare. He should be a hard to find Spirit Beast. But he shouldn’t be the ONLY spirit Beast.
How many of us old school Hunters went after Lupos and Broken Tooth back in the day? I sat for 6 and a half hours waiting for Broken Tooth for her speed. I know what it feels like to succeed. But imagine if back in the day Broken Tooth was the ONLY cat. Or if Lupos was the only Worg. That wouldn’t have worked.
I compared Loque’nahak to Humar, and perhaps I was wrong on that (since he’s no longer unique and everyone and their grandma has him). Ok, let me put it this way.
Loque’nahak should be to Spirit Beasts as Old Cliff Jumper is to Wolves. He shouldn’t be the only one, but he should be a unique rare hard to get spawn.
Some Hunters love getting that one skin for their own personal joy and thrill of the hunt, then just any old cat or wolf. For those who want Loque’nahak, that should be the case, but NOT the only option. ALL BM hunters should have a chance at this FAMILY, not just the dedicated hard core campers (and I am one of those campers).
Spirit Beasts for all BM Hunters, Loque’nahak for the rare-camping dedicated. That, my friends, is how it should be.
I agree rikaku he shouldn’t be the only spirit beast all bm hunters should be able to get a spirit beast if they want him not just the hardcore campers. i’m a casual player I just don’t have time to sit at my computer all day and compete with people that want the spirit beast. That’s why there should be alot more spirit beasts or at least one more like I said make the offspring spirit beasts they don’t look as cool as Loque’nahak but if someone wants a spirit beast just because their exotic and for their technique they should be able to get it without camping it.
Exactly. And Loque’nahak can be like the unique skinned rare he is. In other words, the only spirit beast to look like him. They can make different colored Spirit Beasts, like a grey one and black ones for example that are alot more common. That in itself solves the problem of “rare pet” and “pet for all bm’s”.
I couldn’t have said it better myself rikaku. If theres someone in the beta that looks at these comments they should start a petition on the beta hunter forums to make more spirit beasts but as i’ve said Loque’nahak should be the only one with that particular skin.
You know,I really hate long respawn times on rares that are tamable.I wanted Vultros for soo long on my Alliance hunter,but due to it ridiculously long spawn time that character is already high enough to get the exact same skin elsewhere.
I can understand the camping thing.I had Lupos back in the day.But I’m not going to waste several days time camping that could be better spent questing and farming.
It’s a neat skin but that’s all it is.
I think I’ll be 50/21 and hence it’s a moot point..
I agree with mostly everything here. I do think they should make one spirit beast per tree though. Rare mammoth for the tenacity class, an ultra rare nether ray for cunning, or something. But one spirit beast? That’s not rare or epic or a mark of achievement, that’s boring! Putting him on the Achievements list is just dumb.
It will cause griefing on PVE servers, while on PVP it will be a bloodbath.You probably won’t even be able to quest in that area because of the all out war going on between tamers and achievers. I mean seriously, in 4 years they haven’t learned that their goal of preventing the “one pet” syndrome is NOT solved by making “one rare pet”. Obviously they’re not paying attention.
In my opinion I think they should reconsider their positioning.
Sean
@Rikaku: Is it safe to assume that your main is a hunter? :P Wonderful insight on the Loque’nahak issue.
I think we’re making great progress on this forum! ^__^
I’m glad that some agree with me. Anyways on a different thing, I really hate that “cats” 2nd special skill got a damage decrease.
Tashi: You would be correct. Been a Hunter since WoW came out; it is and always will be my main =) I would love to post some sort of insight on the beta forum, but alas, I am not beta-worthy ;_;
Look, the only waay to ever truly end up with a completely original skin is to make them customisable, which; while awesome, will never happen.
@Rykros
Yeah that’d be cool! You know it wouldn’t be too difficult really. They could just add a “Pet Salon” across the street from the barber shop. Strap it down and dye away! Pink ghost sabers, white core hounds, purple devilsaurs named Barney…
I agree there should be more TO a spirit pet. I think there should be a way for your pet to be transformed into a spirit pet by questing and “Hunting”. (Much the same as grinding the BG’s for that one peice of armor to complete the set) a quest chain for your pet to become a spirit animal that requires x amount of exp and y amount of kills assists, etc and maybe earns the title of tenacity or cunning or ferocity. That way a hunter that hunts with pet x can get that pet to become a spirit pet. For me its the travel and hunt for> like going from Durotar to Darnassus for a black cat with white spots as a Horde after getting to lvl 10 or going from Darnassus to Durotar for a black and orange tiger as a lvl 10 allie hunter. and yes Nilfyr on twisting Nether thought it was well worth openning 21 kittie statues and gaining a lvl an a half to get Ghost Sabre as a Blood Elf.
*** as a lvl 10 allie hunter. ***
For the love of God, has the educational system in this country (or whatever country) degenerated to the point that you don’t know that the word is “ally?” Can you possibly have gone through I-have-no-idea-how-many years of schooling and not noticed the basic pattern in the English language of “-y” = singular and “-ies” = plural?
*** On the other hand, I think he may be underestimating our definition of “need”. *grin* What do you guys think?
***
I think 51-point BM’s = noobs.
I like the general idea that Ghostcrawler has, but I agree that it would be better to make a pet like the Grimtotem Spirit Guide that is hard to tame rather than one that depends on camping spawn points. The Spirit Guide required assembling special equipment and a group of players to help; the Spirit Beast seems to depend largely on chance with a big helping of time spent waiting.
I’m not interested in getting a Spirit Beast for myself, but those are my thoughts on the general issue.
Anything, even if it’s a 0.01% DPS increase will be sought after by raiders.
Camping a spawn point for hours on end isn’t fun.
If blizzard wants to give us rare pets that are hard to get, place them at the end of an instance on heroic mode.
Make it so that you have to do a quest to tame them.
Make it so that you need the help of a group to tame them, like the ghost wolf.
Make it so that you need a random world-drop item to spawn the creature, so it’s based on luck rather than camping.
Don’t resort to the stone-age methods used in everquest. Spawn camping is old and wrong, and players only do it out of necessity.
I like the idea of having a rare spawn and be one of the very few Hunters with that Pet. However, I would like to see something more challenging than camping for days doing nothing but sitting there just waiting. I like the idea of a very hard pet to tame someting that test your Hunter skills to the max. This would be a mark of honor and prestige not a simbol of no life and too much time on your hand of the current rare spawn mechanics.
The idea was good
up to the point where you decided it to be a rare spawn, and a part of a achievement.
thus making it nigh impossible to just plain stupidly hard to find due to the ammount of idiot druids / locks soloing it for blues to place on the AH.
the ghost wolf part was brilliant, a pet that needed coordination and dedication to find and tame, aswell as a team mate or two.
The rare spirit beast is wholeheartedly dependant on luck to find.
Do i even want to begin discussing the respawn timers on rare elites?
no. better not
I agree with some of you how blizzard had the right idea about giving hunters a hard to obtain rare skinned pet. A couple in fact (king krush can’t be soloed for example). But I do think they implemented it rather wrong. A spawn that still doesn’t have a confirmed respawn timer, and for some reason its the animal EVERYONE i’ve come across is going after for the achievement. Only 2 on that list are tameable, and only 1 is soloable. And thats the one everyone wants to kill. Woot to hunters!
I found that getting my ghost saber was kind of tricky, and while it still warranted patience, it was a gaurantteed pet if I chose to put the time in, and waste affect by others in the same area, even trying for the same pet. Maybe don’t imlement the same thing of looting statues, but a similar idea that will eventually reward the player with what he wants after effort has been put in would be a good way to go. Relying on shear chance that you a) find the right spawn point he’s at, and b)get that tame off before some jacknob comes by and interrupts your tame and them kills it, to me at least isn’t quite a ‘fair’ way to go about it. Even long after someone has the achievement done, they can still just ‘oh hey, look at that. Lets go grieve the hunter again’. We saw it COUNTLESS times doing the hunter epic quest, and blizzard ended up making that quest so damn easy it no longer became a sign of how good a hunter you where.
Maybe give long, arduous questlines have pet rewards in the end. Even 1 or 2, maybe some requiring items, mob kills or such from 5-10mans, and some other pets from heroics/25mans. Then everyone would have access to ‘special’ pets, and while it would take effort, weeks, possibly even months, you could eventually get the pet you where working so hard for, without having to worry about weeks upon weeks of greivances.
Just my opinion though. It ultimately comes down to blizzard. /sigh :(
This has been a major disappointment for me. Again blizzard totally missed the point.
I got really excited when I saw Loque’nahak on Petopia, really an “exotic” pet worthy of the talent (even if just on looks alone). But after days and days of non-stop searching I’ve come to realize how futile this is.
Humar was never as rare as this, he also had a single spawn point. Hell it took me a year of on and off searching to get Grunter, but it was still better than this.
1: Spawn points. Instead of one place to camp we have 9, and thats all people do, is camp, or patrol. Having a set number of spawn points does not make the hunt to find him interesting. Hell 3 of the spawn points are in heavily populated quest areas… Blizzard rewards dumb luck more than the skill of dedicated hunters.
2: An estimated 12 hour spawn, on the only beast in the game in its class…. means that dozens of hunters are constantly hovering around the known spawn points. Sadly many of the ones I see are level 71-72 etc.. so what will these people expect to do when they do chance upon him and find out theyre several levels too low? Kill it probably. Again, the “dedicated hunter” loses out.
3: Finally, on servers like mine where the population is so high, theres just way too many people constantly running around, the chances of such a rare surviving more than a minute or two is extremely slim. I can live in the Basin 24/7 flying around the spawn points or searching, and its much more likely statistically that someone else will come across the spawn on dumb luck and shoot it dead… How is THAT supposed to be a challenge for hunters? Its more of an insult.
If Blizz would spend some time over this they could make the pet still a rare find, yet make it at least somewhat fair for dedicated hunters.
One solution, would be a quest chain spawn, but I doubt they would devote the time required. Another would be to make the pet friendly, so he could not be killed, only tamed. The simplest and one I’d be happy with, is a much shorter spawn time, say 3 hours, and a totally random spawn point. The pet would still be very hard to get, would certainly be more interesting to hunt down, and would deter campers and encourage hunters.
I highly doubt anything will be done mind you.
The rareness of Humar has bee thwarted by the black lion in Sholazar named Pitch – who isn’t rare at all. Aside from the spirit wolf that can no longer be tamed – Loque has got to be the rarest of the rare when it comes to hunter pets. King Krush a close second. I tamed Loque about a week ago and he really pushes some serious DPS. If you don’t believe me find me on Bloodhoof and challenge me to a duel. I cannot pull agro from this pet.
i totally agree with “Blizzard rewards dumb luck more than the skill of dedicated hunters.” taming this pet or King Krush is purely dumb luck. I have mined at least between 50 and 100 stacks of ore and done all the quests in shalazar and have yet to see any of the 3 ultra rare spawns. i keep all 3 on a hot button and go from one spot to the next etc etc and zilch. there are always several hunters from horde side and who knows how many from alliance plus the players that kill them just for their loot. stupid stupid stupid Blizz.
This is bullshit. Making it a challenge like this would be cool if ONLY hunters could attack it. Theres so many assholes that kill this beast just for spite using the “i needed the achievement”. GG on that blizz. How about making it where we have to get our ammo from the opposing faction’s major city next? Sounds Challenging!
Change the damn thing to where only hunters can tap it. Anyone else its a green friendly mob. The rarity of the spawn is somewhat o k but ive lost this pet three times already to someone that wasnt even a hunter.
Id also like to add today this pet spawned in the area and i had a macro asking politely if someone saw it to tap and hold it for me to tame. Even offered 100g. Some guy was asking 300g or he would kill it. Some people get outrageous and want 1000g and shit. Blizzard hates hunters. The people that work at blizzTARD and play hunters have no care or feeling for the class. I dont mind putting in time to do something…i farmed the famous baron mount at 70.
The sad sad thing is once everyone gets this pet it will probably see the end of being tameable just as the Ghost Wolf was. Which means all the time you put in to try and get it will be wasted and you have nothing. What kind of ass clown system is this?
Also as stated in my last post about it being only attackable by hunters. Also make it where once you do tap it it is immune to anyone else not in your party. This would prevent other hunters from fighting over it. FIRST COME , FIRST SERVE, no ifs ands or silver spoon fed brats that probably shouldnt be playing an r17 rated game anyway to come by and giggle at griefing you.
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