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		<title>By: Lovemypet</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31937</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovemypet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50 days to go? This is going to be a mess.

A warning to everybody - those CDs you get on November 13 will contain virtually nothing. Expect to follow installation with a BIG download (several hours), since the discs will need to go into production soon (if they&#039;re not already being packed).

More - don&#039;t expect the game to be ready on Noy 13. Even if Blizzard can call a moratorium on new content in the next 20 days (which looks barely possible), they will only have 30 days for debugging and tweaking. That&#039;s laughable for a program of this scale.

I predicted in another thread that WLK would not be ready until next summer. I stand by that prediction, in spite of the launch date. I think what&#039;s released on Nov 13 will be an ugly mess - I&#039;m certainly not going to rush out and buy it until I&#039;ve read here that I&#039;m wrong.

Get well soon, Mania - but next time, hire some removal guys, you tightwad. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50 days to go? This is going to be a mess.</p>
<p>A warning to everybody &#8211; those CDs you get on November 13 will contain virtually nothing. Expect to follow installation with a BIG download (several hours), since the discs will need to go into production soon (if they&#8217;re not already being packed).</p>
<p>More &#8211; don&#8217;t expect the game to be ready on Noy 13. Even if Blizzard can call a moratorium on new content in the next 20 days (which looks barely possible), they will only have 30 days for debugging and tweaking. That&#8217;s laughable for a program of this scale.</p>
<p>I predicted in another thread that WLK would not be ready until next summer. I stand by that prediction, in spite of the launch date. I think what&#8217;s released on Nov 13 will be an ugly mess &#8211; I&#8217;m certainly not going to rush out and buy it until I&#8217;ve read here that I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>Get well soon, Mania &#8211; but next time, hire some removal guys, you tightwad. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31887</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just checked out the Thunderstomp thing.  Woot!!! My favorite pet just became even more &quot;favorite&quot;.  Hunters can now &quot;AoE farm&quot; without waiting on the TS&#039;s CD.

Thanks for the news Tinco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checked out the Thunderstomp thing.  Woot!!! My favorite pet just became even more &#8220;favorite&#8221;.  Hunters can now &#8220;AoE farm&#8221; without waiting on the TS&#8217;s CD.</p>
<p>Thanks for the news Tinco.</p>
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		<title>By: Tinco</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31716</link>
		<dc:creator>Tinco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mania!

I don&#039;t know if that has already been mentioned, but the Gorilla-Petskill &#039;Thunderstomp&#039; had its cooldown reduced to 10 sec on the recent ptr-build.

Greetings, Tinco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mania!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that has already been mentioned, but the Gorilla-Petskill &#8216;Thunderstomp&#8217; had its cooldown reduced to 10 sec on the recent ptr-build.</p>
<p>Greetings, Tinco</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31703</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palladiamors, I&#039;m on the PTR not Beta. Actual numbers are not very accurate since I was using the lvl 1 Theramore practice dummies for my calculations. A lvl 65-70 vs a lvl 1 dummy makes my untalented cat do approx 2x his average &quot;live server&quot; DPS. I assume the dummy has no armor and the lvl split means no misses parries etc. . . that is my guess atleast because against IQD mobs the &quot;PTR&quot; does seem quite a bit better than &quot;Live&quot;.
So the numbers are hard to compare to &quot;live&quot;, but it does show a % of difference between different pets.

Both pets had the same talents in Longevity etc. (I left the one point off of the cat so the only variables would be the 65/70 lvl difference and the family skills mechanics.

With the new build which included Rake for the lvl 70 cat, He was doing about 480ish over a 5 min period. The lvl 65 Devilsaur against the same target for the same 5 mins did about 500 DPS. 
The cat was more consistant DPS because the rake was regular in its timing. Also the bleed effect evened it out over time.  
The devilsaur seemed more &quot;spikey&quot; since his Strength Buff would stack up to 3-5 then wear off. (its not consistantly applied) 

So in my opinion, the cat would probably out perform on fast short fights or switching between multiple mobs quickly.  The devilsaur may do better on Long single mob (boss) fights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palladiamors, I&#8217;m on the PTR not Beta. Actual numbers are not very accurate since I was using the lvl 1 Theramore practice dummies for my calculations. A lvl 65-70 vs a lvl 1 dummy makes my untalented cat do approx 2x his average &#8220;live server&#8221; DPS. I assume the dummy has no armor and the lvl split means no misses parries etc. . . that is my guess atleast because against IQD mobs the &#8220;PTR&#8221; does seem quite a bit better than &#8220;Live&#8221;.<br />
So the numbers are hard to compare to &#8220;live&#8221;, but it does show a % of difference between different pets.</p>
<p>Both pets had the same talents in Longevity etc. (I left the one point off of the cat so the only variables would be the 65/70 lvl difference and the family skills mechanics.</p>
<p>With the new build which included Rake for the lvl 70 cat, He was doing about 480ish over a 5 min period. The lvl 65 Devilsaur against the same target for the same 5 mins did about 500 DPS.<br />
The cat was more consistant DPS because the rake was regular in its timing. Also the bleed effect evened it out over time.<br />
The devilsaur seemed more &#8220;spikey&#8221; since his Strength Buff would stack up to 3-5 then wear off. (its not consistantly applied) </p>
<p>So in my opinion, the cat would probably out perform on fast short fights or switching between multiple mobs quickly.  The devilsaur may do better on Long single mob (boss) fights.</p>
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		<title>By: Palladiamors</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31695</link>
		<dc:creator>Palladiamors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudda, did you check on current beta?  The addition of rake should put cats back on par with devilsaurs, the the devilsaur will have a slight overall damage advantage with monstrous bite, cats will get in two additional ticks of rake with longevity, and three without.  For me in my beast master build, thats two more ticks of about a hundred and ten bleed damage, not bad for a pet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudda, did you check on current beta?  The addition of rake should put cats back on par with devilsaurs, the the devilsaur will have a slight overall damage advantage with monstrous bite, cats will get in two additional ticks of rake with longevity, and three without.  For me in my beast master build, thats two more ticks of about a hundred and ten bleed damage, not bad for a pet.</p>
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		<title>By: Cygolino</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31585</link>
		<dc:creator>Cygolino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm they seem to have buffed scorpid poison again in the last build, did some testing and with 5 stacks up my 69 scorp&#039;s poison ticked for around 500 dmg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm they seem to have buffed scorpid poison again in the last build, did some testing and with 5 stacks up my 69 scorp&#8217;s poison ticked for around 500 dmg.</p>
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		<title>By: Stranger</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31550</link>
		<dc:creator>Stranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s off-topic, but I just got an idea about how should Aspect of Viper work. And I am not in beta-test and can&#039;t join PTR. So please someone, if you agreed with me, help me feedback.

Aspect of Viper should work like:
When you go into Aspect of Viper, you can&#039;t use any skill shot (any shot and attack abilities that use mana) and can only use auto-shot and other non-direct attack abilities (such as Rapid Fire, traps, disengage, FD...). In this period, any damage dealt by you and your pet will be transformed to your mana regeneration. (Including pet&#039;s damage is to balance out BM hunters with the other two spec, because BM hunters depend more on pet&#039;s damage.)
And, importantly, there should be no damage penalty in Aspect of Viper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s off-topic, but I just got an idea about how should Aspect of Viper work. And I am not in beta-test and can&#8217;t join PTR. So please someone, if you agreed with me, help me feedback.</p>
<p>Aspect of Viper should work like:<br />
When you go into Aspect of Viper, you can&#8217;t use any skill shot (any shot and attack abilities that use mana) and can only use auto-shot and other non-direct attack abilities (such as Rapid Fire, traps, disengage, FD&#8230;). In this period, any damage dealt by you and your pet will be transformed to your mana regeneration. (Including pet&#8217;s damage is to balance out BM hunters with the other two spec, because BM hunters depend more on pet&#8217;s damage.)<br />
And, importantly, there should be no damage penalty in Aspect of Viper.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitsuhide</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31528</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitsuhide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rudda

If that&#039;s true, then that&#039;s really good. The Exotics being all-around better than the &quot;normals&quot; may be a little bonus for Hunters that go all the way to Beast Mastery. I hope it&#039;s not a large difference between normal and Exotic, but even a small difference is a nice incentive to be BM (which I am and when I hit 60 an Armored Devilsaur will be MINE! BWA HA HA HA HA HAAAA!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rudda</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s true, then that&#8217;s really good. The Exotics being all-around better than the &#8220;normals&#8221; may be a little bonus for Hunters that go all the way to Beast Mastery. I hope it&#8217;s not a large difference between normal and Exotic, but even a small difference is a nice incentive to be BM (which I am and when I hit 60 an Armored Devilsaur will be MINE! BWA HA HA HA HA HAAAA!).</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31495</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that has always bugged me about cats is they did better damage with only the focus dump. (Not Bite *live version) However, on the PTR my tests for each family are showing consistantly that having the family skill and the focus dump active is just a shave better dps. (that is if recount is calculating properly)

Also of note, lvl 65 Devilsaur is out dps&#039;ing my lvl 70 cat even though it is short a talent point. The lvl 65 Chimaera did very well, but not quite as good as a lvl 70 cat. But my guess is at 70 even it will out do the cat. So even though cats will be one of the better dps coices for non-BM hunters.  The exotics may be the way to go if you are a 51pt BM. After all, it is our 51pt talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that has always bugged me about cats is they did better damage with only the focus dump. (Not Bite *live version) However, on the PTR my tests for each family are showing consistantly that having the family skill and the focus dump active is just a shave better dps. (that is if recount is calculating properly)</p>
<p>Also of note, lvl 65 Devilsaur is out dps&#8217;ing my lvl 70 cat even though it is short a talent point. The lvl 65 Chimaera did very well, but not quite as good as a lvl 70 cat. But my guess is at 70 even it will out do the cat. So even though cats will be one of the better dps coices for non-BM hunters.  The exotics may be the way to go if you are a 51pt BM. After all, it is our 51pt talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/18/ptr30beta-build-8962/comment-page-2/#comment-31490</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rotfl My 68 Devilsaur killed a 70 Druid, he was at full health too, with nothing more than Intimidation and Lick Your Wounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rotfl My 68 Devilsaur killed a 70 Druid, he was at full health too, with nothing more than Intimidation and Lick Your Wounds.</p>
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