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	<title>Comments on: Feedback on Pet Skills + Incoming Talent Changes</title>
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		<title>By: lfspwr</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-2/#comment-31267</link>
		<dc:creator>lfspwr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to bring up a point I didn&#039;t notice anyone else mention... I use a warp stalker often, and warp is fairly well as circumstantial a skill as prowl, in that its really only good once per fight to get it started. The skill has no use after the fight is under way.  So if cats get an extra skill, what about warp stalkers... but then if we add in that I&#039;m sure MANY hunters would want just about every pet to get some sort of extra little something. The more I think about it, the more I like Manias idea of putting the skill into the talent tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to bring up a point I didn&#8217;t notice anyone else mention&#8230; I use a warp stalker often, and warp is fairly well as circumstantial a skill as prowl, in that its really only good once per fight to get it started. The skill has no use after the fight is under way.  So if cats get an extra skill, what about warp stalkers&#8230; but then if we add in that I&#8217;m sure MANY hunters would want just about every pet to get some sort of extra little something. The more I think about it, the more I like Manias idea of putting the skill into the talent tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Kro</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-31112</link>
		<dc:creator>Kro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine &quot;Rake&quot; will be a scaled down version of the Kitty Druid ability.  Would be nice if it stacked, though...  That would be fun.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine &#8220;Rake&#8221; will be a scaled down version of the Kitty Druid ability.  Would be nice if it stacked, though&#8230;  That would be fun.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Escada</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-31061</link>
		<dc:creator>Escada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it won&#039;t be a waste for me to jump on the cat bandwagon afterall, that&#039;s nice to know. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it won&#8217;t be a waste for me to jump on the cat bandwagon afterall, that&#8217;s nice to know. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-31028</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was curious about that too Xota.  Its a fact that cats do more damage with only claw and not bite. So are the damage dealing special abilities actually boosting or hurting the pet&#039;s overall dps?

My guess is it would vary by family of course.  But how much? Obviously something with a long CD wouldn&#039;t affect it that much one way or the other.  But something that steals focus on a short CD like the live version of &quot;bite&quot; actually lowers the cat&#039;s dps.

I suppose some of them may be higher dps, if the family ability is left &quot;on&quot; and the focus dump (Bite/smack/claw) is turned &quot;off&quot;.

Those kind of numbers are something that needs looked at.  Ideally I would think Blizzard should want the &quot;damage&quot; skills to actually add dps in addition to the focus dump.  That way they can make longer/shorter CD&#039;s to adjust the abilities so they don&#039;t become focus hogs that don&#039;t actually help the pet&#039;s dps. 

And not all pets need this looked at because some are more CC  or Utility skills than straight up dmg skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious about that too Xota.  Its a fact that cats do more damage with only claw and not bite. So are the damage dealing special abilities actually boosting or hurting the pet&#8217;s overall dps?</p>
<p>My guess is it would vary by family of course.  But how much? Obviously something with a long CD wouldn&#8217;t affect it that much one way or the other.  But something that steals focus on a short CD like the live version of &#8220;bite&#8221; actually lowers the cat&#8217;s dps.</p>
<p>I suppose some of them may be higher dps, if the family ability is left &#8220;on&#8221; and the focus dump (Bite/smack/claw) is turned &#8220;off&#8221;.</p>
<p>Those kind of numbers are something that needs looked at.  Ideally I would think Blizzard should want the &#8220;damage&#8221; skills to actually add dps in addition to the focus dump.  That way they can make longer/shorter CD&#8217;s to adjust the abilities so they don&#8217;t become focus hogs that don&#8217;t actually help the pet&#8217;s dps. </p>
<p>And not all pets need this looked at because some are more CC  or Utility skills than straight up dmg skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Xota</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-30999</link>
		<dc:creator>Xota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How special is Rake going to be? I have both claw and bit on my cat right now, and its kind of a waste I feel. If rake isn&#039;t that flashy, why not buff prowl to have some sort of Vanish component?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How special is Rake going to be? I have both claw and bit on my cat right now, and its kind of a waste I feel. If rake isn&#8217;t that flashy, why not buff prowl to have some sort of Vanish component?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-30977</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tamed both Shy-Rotam and Humar when I was 70 (and then levelled them both up, Humar to 70 was not so much fun), glad they have given cats something other than prowl so I can keep them both.

However I see a rhino for PvP and possibly tanking (Stampede has got to be fun in somewhere like EOTS at the flag, everyone goes flying off the World), and a Devilsaur in my future...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tamed both Shy-Rotam and Humar when I was 70 (and then levelled them both up, Humar to 70 was not so much fun), glad they have given cats something other than prowl so I can keep them both.</p>
<p>However I see a rhino for PvP and possibly tanking (Stampede has got to be fun in somewhere like EOTS at the flag, everyone goes flying off the World), and a Devilsaur in my future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zoblek</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-30975</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoblek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crabs, tallstriders &amp; sporebat are rarerest pets in WoW. But I need only El Pollo Grande http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=659 ! if I tame Pollo, I name it Chickenstrider</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crabs, tallstriders &amp; sporebat are rarerest pets in WoW. But I need only El Pollo Grande <a href="http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=659" rel="nofollow">http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=659</a> ! if I tame Pollo, I name it Chickenstrider</p>
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		<title>By: Maree</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-30970</link>
		<dc:creator>Maree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest yay for me is about tallstriders. They&#039;re gonna do the same amount of damage as, say, cats! Heck, if cats didn&#039;t get Rake, they would be even better!

On a complete random note, have anyone noticed, that if you run around with a rare/unusual pet, other hunters with more.. common.. pets will always comment on how much your pet sucks? 
I s&#039;pose they&#039;re jealous :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest yay for me is about tallstriders. They&#8217;re gonna do the same amount of damage as, say, cats! Heck, if cats didn&#8217;t get Rake, they would be even better!</p>
<p>On a complete random note, have anyone noticed, that if you run around with a rare/unusual pet, other hunters with more.. common.. pets will always comment on how much your pet sucks?<br />
I s&#8217;pose they&#8217;re jealous :P</p>
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		<title>By: Loved</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-30966</link>
		<dc:creator>Loved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow did they shrink Devilsaurs. They need to pick a happy medium because that&#039;s pretty small. 
Love what they did with orc females, no more waddling yay. I can finally play the hunter that does the most damage without shame! lol

Love the new things we get to tame, how much fun could this patch and expansion be for hunters?

Now if they will just not nerf us to oblivion I won&#039;t have to keep proving I&#039;m not a huntard all the time. 

I&#039;m with hantindash I&#039;m so happy my white tiger will still be a viable raid pet. I&#039;d sure miss Sugar if she wasn&#039;t there.

Is it just me or are moths doing nice damage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow did they shrink Devilsaurs. They need to pick a happy medium because that&#8217;s pretty small.<br />
Love what they did with orc females, no more waddling yay. I can finally play the hunter that does the most damage without shame! lol</p>
<p>Love the new things we get to tame, how much fun could this patch and expansion be for hunters?</p>
<p>Now if they will just not nerf us to oblivion I won&#8217;t have to keep proving I&#8217;m not a huntard all the time. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with hantindash I&#8217;m so happy my white tiger will still be a viable raid pet. I&#8217;d sure miss Sugar if she wasn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Is it just me or are moths doing nice damage?</p>
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		<title>By: Jindar</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/09/13/feedback-on-pet-skills-incoming-talent-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-30960</link>
		<dc:creator>Jindar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lick Your Wounds now with &lt;em&gt;faster licking technology&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

...wow, that sounds dirty.  And we thought there were too many fem elf hunters already...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lick Your Wounds now with <em>faster licking technology</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;wow, that sounds dirty.  And we thought there were too many fem elf hunters already&#8230;</p>
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