PTR 3.0: When, What and Why?

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Short answers: “Lots”, “Soon”, and “Because it’s a good idea.”

Need more? Read on.

When?

As I type this, the Public Test Realm for patch 3.0 — the big pre-Wrath content patch that Blizzard has mentioned several times — is not yet up. The Test Realm Forum has been cleaned off and re-opened, though, which is usually a sign that the PTR will be opened soon. For a normal PTR I’d be guessing that it might be up this evening or (more likely) tomorrow, but for something this size I wouldn’t like to speculate. It might take until the end of next week or longer.

But I am very much looking forward to this PTR and I, for one, will be keeping a close eye on it to see when it opens. I may not be able to check it out myself since I am in the WotLK beta — PTR 2.4 wasn’t open to alpha players, I believe, and that restriction may still be in place for this PTR and beta players. But lots and lots of hunters will be able to check it out.

What?

So what is in Patch 3.0? Well we don’t have an exact list yet (although Blizzard did mention some major points) but it appears to include all of the general mechanic changes from Wrath of the Lich King that will affect all players, regardless of whether or not they buy the expansion. What won’t be included is the new Northrend content or content for level 71+.

What does this mean specifically for hunters and hunter pets? Here’s a list (although please note that we won’t have confirmation on all of this until the PTR is actually available):

  • You will have access to the new hunter talents. You will only have talent points up to level 70, of course (assuming you are level 70), but that’s enough to reach the top tier talent in a tree.
    • In other words, Beast Mastery hunters will be able to purchase the 51-point Beast Mastery talent and tame exotic pets.
    • And there will be exotic pets to tame. Chimaeras, devilsaurs, silithids and worms all have pets available outside of Northrend that we should be able to tame.
    • Rhinos, however, only exist in Northrend and so won’t be available until the expansion itself launches.
  • Hunter pets will use the new pet skill system. No more Beast Training!
    • Each pet will automatically know Growl, Cower, a focus dump, and their family skill.
    • Each pet family will know a unique family skill.
    • These skills will level up automatically as the pet levels.
  • In addition to skills, each pet family will also have access to one of the three pet talent trees.
    • Pets will start getting talent points at level 20.
    • That means that level 68+ pets will have 13 talent points to spend, unless their hunter is full BM in which case they’ll have 17 or 18 (depending on whether the Beast Mastery talent ends up giving +4 or +5 pet talent points).
  • Pets will auto-level to within 5 levels of the hunter.
    • Newly tamed pets will automatically level to be 5 levels below the hunter if they are not within 5 levels when they are tamed.
    • Likewise, any pets that have fallen more than 5 levels behind while in the stable will automatically level to 5 levels below the hunter when they are taken out of the stable.
  • Pet loyalty will no longer exist. Tame and go!
  • There will be lots of new pets to tame.
    • In addition to non-Northrend exotics, you will also be able to tame non-Northrend moths and wasps.
    • You will not be able to tame level 71+ pets even if they can be tamed in Wrath because you won’t yet be high enough level.
    • You won’t be able to tame level 67-70 Northrend pets because you won’t be able to get to Northrend.
  • [edit] And there will be plenty of space to tame new pets with our two additional stable slots!

In other words, the only part of the cool new pet system we will be missing will be the ability to tame Northrend and level 71+ pets.

Why?

Now I said at the start that I think this PTR is a very good idea. That’s not just about fairness or letting more players see the upcoming changes, although those are nice side effects. No, this is a very practical thing.

Hunters in the beta are currently at a disadvantage for testing hunter pet mechanics simply because we don’t know the content that we are attempting very well. Is this quest way too hard, or is our pet way too weak? Is there something wrong with this pet skill, or something wrong with our new equipment that’s messing it up? And it doesn’t help that Northrend is notorious unstable on the beta realms right now. But who wants to hang out in southern Azeroth or Outland when there is a whole new sparkling continent to explore?

But the 3.0 PTR will fix these issues. First off, even on beta the old sections of the game are very stable. It’s only Northrend that bounces up and down like a kid on a trampoline. So I don’t expect too many stability problems to interrupt testing on the PTR.

More importantly, though, many of the PTR testers will be very familiar with the content that they are attempting. The hunters will be able to directly compare their pets’ performance between live and 3.0. (And their own performance too, of course.) Not only that, but it’s a lot easier to compare pet-to-pet when you have a good feel for the content already. Which family skill is working out best for Sunwell dailies? Do ‘em, swap pets, do ‘em again tomorrow!

And yes, you could do this level of testing on the beta, but in the best case only a few hunters will give up their Northrend exploration for level 70 comparisons. But on the PTR, I anticipate a huge crowd of hunters who haven’t gotten into beta but who are nevertheless eager to try out the new mechanics. They’ll play, they’ll test, they’ll analyze, and if necessary they’ll complain. *grin*

Now I’m speaking as if the primary benefit here is to us as we learn to evaluate the changes in this expansion. But the real benefit is to Blizzard. This PTR will open up a huge new pool of feedback to them specifically on the class and pet changes, shorn of the complicating content changes. I’m certain that they are looking forward to this opportunity to fine-tune their little hearts out.

61 thoughts on “PTR 3.0: When, What and Why?”

  1. sweet as soon as the PTR patch comes out im going to go get a moth

    wait i herd form a Blue poster that they probobly will make hunter pets go into a interface thing is that true or did they scrap that and only give us 5 slots

  2. I think that patch 3.0 will be release before 09/18/08

    (Warhammer Online Age of Reckoning This game is scheduled for release in 09/18/08)

  3. lianardo: Mini-pets and mounts are in an interface like that now in the beta, but we haven’t heard anything solid about hunter pets moving to that interface.

  4. I’m hoping it hits the PTR on 19 September. It’d be such a cool birthday present.

    HOWEVER, Blizzard has made it very clear that they don’t care about Warhammer, and from the stuff I’ve heard, I can’t blame them. I don’t think they’re playing to Warhammer’s tune, really, and that Warhammer should have delayed a bit more.

    Mania- I agree with you that this is a great idea. The more input they can get from the community the better.

  5. I can’t wait to test this! Devilsaur here I come! I’m still upset Blizzard doesn’t think I’m Beta matirial. But I’m a pretty casual player so I guess I understand. :(

  7. I figure a Sep 5th or 12th for the PTR with a September 30th or October 7th Patch hitting live… then the November release of LK. If so though, they seriously need to pump out that release date.

    I personally am looking forward to the hunter changes and the pet changes as well as my new wasp (( To be named Mal)).

  8. Can’t wait for the PTRs to go up. I’ve been reading so much stuff for hunter pets, I really want to try out as much of them as possible. =P

  9. The news about Hunter pets auto-leveling to within 5 levels of the Hunter is absolutely fantastic. I’m still laboriously trying to level Humar and it’s going slooooow. I think I’ll just stable him til 3.0 now. It’s just too bad that Cats aren’t going to be a strong pet in WotLK. I’m gonna have to find a new awesome pet to tame in addition to Humar.

  10. PepsiJedi-

    You are probably right on the timeline. However, I have to say that the probability on the release of Wrath will be end of November or the beginning of December. In fact, I would wait until around the beginning of the second week of December to release Wrath. This gives it the most time AND puts it well within reach of two things- Christmas and Winter Break.

  11. Sei, we’ll have this argument until the cows come home. WAR has a lot to off, and will in many ways beat out WoWs PvP system. End of story. If Blizzard weren’t aware, and more importantly if Activision weren’t aware of that then some one’d be asleep at the wheel. And when you get right down to it, none of us knows whether they do or DON’T care about WAR, but the timing is just way to funny for my taste.

    Back on topic. I will be on the PTRs the second they are up, or at my first possible convenience, and I’ll test out each individual type of pet, and then more specific pet families in some of my more extreme conditions. I don’t do number crunching, but I’ll give you a report on how it feels.

  14. Palla-

    We have, indeed, had this discussion. And, we came to a consensus that WAR needed work and it was starting to get rushed. I still want to try it sometime, and may even do so sooner than expected depending on how my search for a job goes. Some games come out and they’re ready to run with, but others take time.

    Blizzard has been asked, and yes, they are aware of what is going on, but it isn’t driving their production deadlines. I’m inclined to believe that. To be honest, being aware of, but not being driven by, your competetors while you have an entrenched produce is a good philosophy. If you let the other guys drive you into a bad product, you loose. In fact, I would not be surprised if Blizzard AND Mythic AND Cryptic all have ‘operatives’ and ‘friends’ in each others Betas. It is a practice that, I don’t doubt, is frowned upon, and may even be a shade unethical and against the EULA and NDA, but it happens.

    I really do not expect that Blizzard is intentionally putting things out in time to mess with Mythic, but that does not mean that it isn’t unconsiously driving things. And I really do think that WAR isn’t going to be a major problem for Blizzard in the immediacy, but once Wrath has kind of worn it’s groove on us all, we may see a lot of people go play WAR for a while.

    Palla, basically, I’m agreeing with you, but not on the details.

  15. Looks like mania will have to update petopia so that all these new pets, pet abilities, and pet systems are up to date if the changes occur and go live…..have fun :P But i am sure you can probably just copy and paste most of the content you have discovered in beta at least, so that it wont be too much work hopefully.

  16. WAR really is coming along Seoni: anyone who’s quoting it needs work either hasn’t been in the beta long and played a pet class (because the pathing, important for pet classes) was borked for the preview – but hadn’t been previously.

    WoW’s PVP is dead in the water once it hits barring the small number that don’t give WAR a try unless WoW makes some radical changes. PVE-wise it doesn’t hold a candle, but frankly, it’s not meant to.

    And no, as a rule of thumb MMO companies don’t allow their employees to be involved with other betas – in the rare exceptions they’re required to ask permission from those holding the beta before playing. And yes, I’m in a position to quote that with certainty for 2/3 of the companies you mentioned. (SOE and Turbine also – but for the smaller players I’m unsure)

  17. Wow cares so very little for War it’s not even funny. It’s Apples and Tunafish. War isn’t going to make any sort of discernible dent in wow what so ever.

    As for the release, while I know that Amazon and Best buy and walmart and others are placing guesses as to when it’ll be released and all.. it’s kinda funny they’re all guessing the same day or two span now. Nov 3-4th. Which fits in with the BC Ramp up, Closed friends and family beta, open beta, patch, gold release.

    November would also give 2 month’s lead up to christmas and 2 holidays worth of play right there to get people hooked and in. If you get the new patch before thanksgiving and people are getting in to LK at or before thanksgiving it lets all the people not buying it for themselves (( I.E. The millions and millions of kids)) A big time to ask and a month to beg for it for christmas.

    Those of us adults, like myself and my wife who have already paid for ours, have done so no matter when it releases. This will go for all the people buying it release day. They don’t have to scheulde for us. We’re getting it the first day it’s out, be it november 4th or december 4th (( which it might get pushed back to. I’m still reading ALOT of little things in beta need to be fixed)) or Jan 4th or what ever.

    I’m betting they release the patch before October 10th though, Blizzcon will want the patch up and running and they can give a release date at Blizzcon so all the pre orders can start up. Remember BC? The most pre-ordered game in all history? (( I think Halo 3 might have surpased it but it came later)) Blizzard will want enough time for those pre-order’s to pile up and via big piles of pre-orders, the press to pile up.

  18. *sighs* How about we all just agree to not talk about WAR anymore? We’re not going to agree, and it just creates hard feelings. I do have to say though that thinking that WAR isn’t going to effect WoW at all is arrogant, and very short sided. Right, now we move on.

  19. *nods at Palla* I’d really rather this doesn’t become another WoW vs WAR thread. Although you should feel free to start one on the forums if you like. :>

  20. Sensibly it’s going to release a week earlier (I think, not checking calendar for Thanksgiving’s date due to laziness – possibly 2 weeks) than that – sales in the industry are MUCH higher for a title available on Black Friday vs. those available post.

    Even for Blizzard with all their popularity always tries to have their stuff available for Black Friday whenever it’s going to land in the fall/winter area. It’s possible they’ll buck their own trend, but I doubt it – since a VERY large part of the sales for games is Black Friday and the 3 days before X-mas. [actually recently the week after as well - thanks to the popularity of gift cards getting much higher, although its gotten a bit harder to predict gift cards since the general "VISA/MC/AMEX" gift cards that can be used anywhere have been getting more and more popular]

    And yes, don’t get my statements wrong, WAR won’t make a large dent in WoW overall due to the PVP focus – most WoW players are PVE’ers, and quite a few WoW PVP’ers won’t be enticed away for whatever reason. [not trying it, not enjoying "CC and win" whack-a-mole PVP like it currently is, etc.]

    However, it is looking like it’ll take the #2 domestic MMO easily however – the estimates that are being relayed to me are in the low 10-digit range vs. WoW’s low 11-digit for comparison.

    Personally however, me and the wife are going to be playing both – WAR for PVP and WoW for PVE.

  21. I’m not yet end-game caliber in terms of World of Warcraft, but understand that I know enough about the game and how its influence has trickled into other games that it has either competed with or yielded customers to to understand one major fact: The MMO community has had to change the formula on what a game offers because no game can hope to jump into the exact same mosh-pit as WoW and hope to come back out in one piece. This is why you have games that are driven by PVE (LOTRO, TCoS) and those with interesting PVP mechanics (AoC, WAR, and TCoS again) doing their damnedest to avoid directly putting their fingers into WoW’s frosting at all costs.

    The result is of course a much diversified playing field where MMOs are concerned. Warhammer fits into this in that it offers very different gameplay than WoW and thus circumvents the otherwise obvious comparisons between the two aesthetically (even if the two universes are vastly different under the skin).

    WAR IMO doesn’t need to directly compete with WoW to get its 150,000 recurring subscriptions. Yep, that’s all an MMO needs to make money, 150k people. There was probably 150k people that want to play WAR that have never played WoW from the very beginning. Anything above that is just bonus. MMOs IMO don’t need to hit the 1 million + mark of subscribers to be good, that expectation is a result of WoW’s success but isn’t realistic across the entire field.

    Also, having played WAR during the Preview Weekend and having heard anecdotal evidence from people that were in closed beta, the game really has come along really well and the actual VP of Mythic himself makes frequent postings to Warhammer Alliance, allaying concerns about the game’s current state and being very forthright, which I’ve never seen happen in any MMO community.

    WoW doesn’t give WAR any more publicity than it has to, which is why they’re not talking about it, it’d be counterproductive for them and I totally understand where they’re coming from.

  22. Sorry for the double post, but this does somewhat pertain to this: What’s up with Thunderstomp’s scaling over the last two tiers? Either rank 5 is messed up or rank 6 is, because you see an over 100% increase in its average damage going from rank 4 to rank 5 and then rank 6 does like… 15 more min/max damage. I’m thinking rank 5 may be a little high compared to where it’s supposed to be and rank 6 is WAI, but is there anyone in beta that can bring this up on the beta forums or otherwise confirm it?

    <3 my gorilla pet, even if he doesn’t technically hold hate as well as a screecher.

    BTW, can anyone confirm whether or not the pet barding talent changes your pets’ appearance to display armor on them? That would rock hard.

  24. You know, I was going to respond to the whole thing about WAR, and I’m not going to. I do not see this as WoW v. WAR, or that it has to be. Too many decent MMORPG’s have come along and been destroyed simply because people have expected it to kill WoW and not given it time to grow. It would be nice to see another game come along that could have time to grow into an alternative to WoW so that those who do not like WoW or who would like a change could have somewhere to go that they enjoyed. I long ago decided to try WAR, and I actually like WAR, I’m planning on playing both.

    As for the comment about the gaming companies having someone inside the other company’s Betas, I have no doubt it happens. They are not likely employees either. It happens in all businesses, so I would not be surprised by it happening here.

    This patch is going to come out when Blizzard is ready. They at least have the smarts to know that they cannot be rushed or there will be issues that they cannot repair.

    And, Mania, I’m sorry that this kind of got out of control. I mentioned WAR mostly because Blizzard isn’t overly scared and they’ve mentioned that. I don’t think that they’re being driven by any fear of another game.

  25. Sorry for the double post. I just realized, I did respond to it. I just didn’t lambast either side. I actually want games to succeed. I just never want the expectations to be through the roof or they die.

    I love WoW, I’m looking forward to Wrath when they will really evolve the game. I’m looking forward to this patch. It looks and feels like this is going to repair a lot of the things that are wrong with WoW, but I don’t expect that PvP will be that stellar, and I’m really starting to think I don’t give a flip about raiding.

    Good night everyone.

  26. Not your fault, Seidouyumi, This happens when a new game comes out. I’d just prefer it to happen somewhere, shall we say, less off-topic.

    Infares: There are several weirdnesses with pet skill ranks, probably because (as Ghostcrawler mentioned a week or so ago) the numbers are still all placeholders.

    I hadn’t heard anything about Pet Barding hanging your pet’s appearance, and certainly it wasn’t doing that to my worm the last time I logged in Kaet. (Can you imagine barding on a worm? That’s probably one reason they won’t go with visible pet armor — too many models to accommodate!)

  27. Pets will auto-level to within 5 levels of the hunter … Likewise, any pets that have fallen more than 5 levels behind while in the stable will automatically level to 5 levels below the hunter when they are taken out of the stable.

    Does this mean that those of us with the Ghost Wolf tamed in dustwallow will have it bumped up?! ooh I hope this is the case and it’s not replaced by some plain jane wolf skin.

  28. Seidouyumi: You’ll notice my post wasn’t about WAR vs WoW, it was more WAR + WoW. The two don’t and IMO don’t have to compete directly with one-another for competition, the games are different enough that people will play whichever one they like, which doesn’t exclude them from playing the other, or some completely different game altogether.

    Mania: :(!! I can has Armorilla! >,<

  29. I saw this post (wasn’t able to look at it, sadly) back when it had only 1 reply. Anyways I am so, SO gonna keep an eye out for when the Public (Finally!) Test Realm comes out now! Or I need to go to sleep and wake up, bright and early, for tomorrow, if it’s tomorrow! Woot! I’m praying (and, past tense, have been) for them to implement Exotic pets, to be able to Tame! >:-D I want that awe-inspiring, white Devilsaur! >:-D It’ll be fun getting him to level, for when “Wrath of the Lich King” comes out!

    I MIGHT try to see what Chimeras, Silithids, worms and/or wasps are like. Oh, nor will we be able to Tame any (bald) eagle Birds of Prey, sadly. :-( Anyways I’m looking forward to seeing the Beast Mastery Tree. I’m also looking forward to seeing my brand-new pets’ Talent Tree(s). >:-D Oh, Mania, it’s *18* Points pets’ get, if you spec into Beast Mastery! Anyways “Tame and go!” is so right, Mania! >:-D lol On a different thing, to me, it’s stupid that they have not released a release date for the upcoming expansion yet. -_-

    I like (serious like, not “ha, ha” like) that alot/most Online stores have their release date as the same. That’s awesome. I’m still going with what MOST/ALOT of people are saying. That the big patch is gonna happen at the end of the month! >:-D And I WANT the patch to be rushed.

  31. Am I really the only person left on the internet who doesn’t give a crap about anything to do with warhammer? But meh, looking forward to the PTR, guess since no-one else is going to I could give the low-lvl content a spin through for youse all.

  32. Rykros: I’d love to hear how the different families shape up at low levels. I’ve leveled a couple of hunters to 10 in the beta to check the level 10 quest, but not past that, so I really have no clue.

  33. Well, perhaps we can work something out, I mean i’m interested myself in finding out any number of things in around the 25-30 mark, where I am just now and would love to find out how well the different families can affect different situations. Thanks to many hours on your awesomesauce sites I have quite a good knowledge of these things for someone whos only been at WoW for a month (not to mention im sonewhat of a publicity monger 8p) Send me an E-mail with what you’d like done and I’ll try and do it when the PTR launches. I mean I have enough free time as it is, might as well do something for it.

  34. I will be on the PTR first chance I get!!
    Sad I can’t get a Whooly Rhino,but ectastic that I can get a Devilsaur!! Woot!

    And yes,Warhammer WILL have an impact on WoW..a small one,I believe,as many PvP’ers
    will be migrating just to see if all the hype was in fact true.But as someone once said..”you can never really leave WoW”.*laughs*…Which is sooo true.

    Kitairra

  35. Kit:
    I can’t quote a single person that’s planning to ditch WoW personally – about 90% of those that I know that have tried WAR are planning to play both however. With a couple cheap folks planning to quit TEMPORARILY until WotLK release – but that’s not really abandoning WoW, just quitting until next batch of content – which those same folks have done before in the past.

    Mania:
    Hadn’t read on the Loyalty change before BTW – is it just a complete ditch of Loyalty or is it reworked somehow?

    If so, food and such is going to play zero role in being a hunter now?

  36. Loyalty is ditched, food still plays a role in being a way to get your pet up to being Happy and doing full damage (but there are also other ways to regain happiness in each of the pet talent trees).

  37. Infares-

    Thanks for agreeing. I do get bored with WoW at times. I love the game, and games Blizzard puts out. Heck, to date, most games hold my interest for six months at most, but what Blizz has put out have had me playing for years. I’ve played Diablo and Diablo II for eight years, and WoW for three. I’m even working on my first serious pair of Horde toons that I want to get to eighty.

    To the rest-

    I’m glad that the changes are coming. I’m still undecided on the exotic pets. I’m thinking of making a third Hunter, but I’m still not sure if there’s any real exotics I want. I will be thrilled with the changes to wolves though. I hate that Furious Howl procs once in a battle, but now it has a chance of going two, three or four times. I’m not so sold on the bats, but I think I’ll keep Akatsuki on my Blood Elf. I don’t know what it is, but Red standing next to Dawn is a pretty awsome combination.

    When Blizz first created WoW, the MMORPG market was pretty slim. I think most of us had heard about Everquest, and some about Dark Ages of Camelot. I think Wrath will reflect many of the changes made to the very structure of gaming as a whole. This is actually sort of ambitious in its own right. Most games wait for sequals to make their major major restructurings, and Blizz is doing it in a patch and an expansion.

    Still, I think I have only six pets I really want. And, to those who wanted me to, I’m working on the next step in the story of Bronzebow Shadow Wolf.

  39. I’m still keeping my fingers crossed for some pets that haven’t been revealed as newly-available exotics. 

    Those of you who got into the beta have been bugging Blizz about basilisks, core hounds, basilisks, the Kurken, basilisks, pterrordax, basilisks…and did I already mention core hounds…right?

  40. Its good to see that Blizzard plans on getting the hunter changes implimented before WotLK goes live. Although I won’t be hopping on on the PTR, I’m glad to hear that they are at least working on the new changes, which means we’ll be getting them soon.

    Right now I’ve been playing the WotLK beta (got a key this week). And boy, can I say, going to Northrend with an unfamiliar, level 65 pet just plain sucks. The pets really can’t hold aggro against many of the mobs. I’m BM spec so I got the exotic pet taming skill, but half of the exotic pets I’ve tamed from the pre-expansion areas I’ve ended up stabling because they are all level 65. At this point, when I’m in Northrend, I can’t tell if these pets just plain out suck or if it because they are level 65 versus level 70ish mobs, and I end up shoving my new exotic pets back into the stable and just use my old dependable level 70 cat. (The exotic pets that I have tamed that are level 70 seem to hold their own though). It doesn’t do Blizzard any good if beta hunters stable the new exotic pets because they are too low level to properly play around with.

    Its been very frustrating so far. Half the quests I’ve gone out to do in beta that are my character’s level, I’ve had to go back to the stable in the middle of them because my level 65 exotic pet’s performance isn’t up to par. I’ll be glad if the new hunter changes put up soon on the live servers…if I had time to level a 65 exotic pet to 70 doing dailies before the expansion hits I’d be a really happy hunter.

  41. Beta testing – ‘Do these deathknight and northrend things work??’

    PTR testing – ‘Do these things for everyone else work?’

  43. I am not sure why some people can’t think about giving WAR also a chance. It’s ridiculous to think only Wow can make players happy and because many of us are already playing Wow for 3 years, it’s not anymore exciting/amazing anyhow.
    So for sure I will test WAR, I am a PvP player (even someone already stated here Wow players are only PvE players … that’s bullshit) and I am now for more than a year disappointed about the bad character balancing. And with Deathknights, this will not help to balance it out, too. Hunters were very strong until the first patches of BC came out, and since that time PvP with hunters – especially in arena – sucks.

  47. Woot! I’m excited…I’ve been so excited for the hunter changes in wotlk so this will be really nice to try it out early I don’t even really care about getting a dk too much at all so the hunter changes for me would be enough. Fuzzy chimaera here I come! :]

  48. totally looking forward to the PTR, mostly because I want an actual numer assigned to worms’ Acid Spit armor redux. I agree that Blizz needs all the input they can get on this stuff, and not just for hunters.

    As for WAR, i’m not interested. Every screen shot and official image I’ve seen leaves me extremely bored with the character design. Every race/army/whatever in that game IMO looks either boring or stupid. There isn’t a single one that makes me think “wow, it’d be really cool to be that” and that is WAR’s major failing as far as I’m concerned. Gameplay doesn’t mean a thing if people don’t want to even make a character. The races of WOW are hugely different from one-another, and that really adds something to the game. If you try every race in WOW, you will find one that resonates with you, gaurenteed.

  50. I’d like the caster pets to get the same defensive stats as a normal pet but just sacrifice DPS for spell damage instead. Then at least they’d be somewhat viable.

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