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		<title>By: Infares</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-30029</link>
		<dc:creator>Infares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t wait till my gorilla has Charge and a good focus dump, those are the two things seriously missing from him right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait till my gorilla has Charge and a good focus dump, those are the two things seriously missing from him right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Shinryu Masaki</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-30000</link>
		<dc:creator>Shinryu Masaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ lianardo 

Warp Stalker&#039;s move is called Warp, and yes it does have a 30 yard range. However, Charge&#039;s range is 25 max to 8 min yards. Warp also has a 15 seconds cooldown, while Charge has a 25 seconds cooldown.

Right now the problem is that both moves are way too similar, thus the Warp Stalkers ends up in a weird state of having two moves that do the same basic thing. Blizzard could give back Dash to them only instead of Charge, or put Warp in place of Charge and give them a new family skill.

And then we still have the Prowl problem with Cats. Doesn&#039;t do anything for long battles, and with Camo at 80 it pretty much becomes worthless. While I do think Cats should be less used by hunters (there&#039;s WAY too many of them around, especially King B.), but I do think they deserve a better family skill, one that they can use in combat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ lianardo </p>
<p>Warp Stalker&#8217;s move is called Warp, and yes it does have a 30 yard range. However, Charge&#8217;s range is 25 max to 8 min yards. Warp also has a 15 seconds cooldown, while Charge has a 25 seconds cooldown.</p>
<p>Right now the problem is that both moves are way too similar, thus the Warp Stalkers ends up in a weird state of having two moves that do the same basic thing. Blizzard could give back Dash to them only instead of Charge, or put Warp in place of Charge and give them a new family skill.</p>
<p>And then we still have the Prowl problem with Cats. Doesn&#8217;t do anything for long battles, and with Camo at 80 it pretty much becomes worthless. While I do think Cats should be less used by hunters (there&#8217;s WAY too many of them around, especially King B.), but I do think they deserve a better family skill, one that they can use in combat.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimizar</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-29981</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimizar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, typo central... &quot;I can&#039;t see a human encased in full plate...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, typo central&#8230; &#8220;I can&#8217;t see a human encased in full plate&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nimizar</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-29980</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimizar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see human encased it full plate going that fast either, but it doesn&#039;t stop warriors :)

An instant burst of speed through sheer strength is far more believable for most of the tenacity pets than a sustained sprint, and for many of them it is backed up by real world behaviour (gorillas, crocs, boars, bears, rhinos).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see human encased it full plate going that fast either, but it doesn&#8217;t stop warriors :)</p>
<p>An instant burst of speed through sheer strength is far more believable for most of the tenacity pets than a sustained sprint, and for many of them it is backed up by real world behaviour (gorillas, crocs, boars, bears, rhinos).</p>
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		<title>By: lianardo</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-29974</link>
		<dc:creator>lianardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well if you think practical turtles and crocolisks can charge (they can bairly dash) and warpstalkers would render it completly useless because of blink - blink=30yard instent teleport there and 50% dodge chance for first attack&#039; charge=30yard huge speed boost and 25% more damage
Im pretty shure 50% dodge chance for a tankign pet is better then 25% damage and since ther eboth 30 yards and blink is faster charge has no purpus with it the only animals charge is good for and pracitly good for is boars and rhinos (its good for the rest but you cant really see a gorilla going that fast can you?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well if you think practical turtles and crocolisks can charge (they can bairly dash) and warpstalkers would render it completly useless because of blink &#8211; blink=30yard instent teleport there and 50% dodge chance for first attack&#8217; charge=30yard huge speed boost and 25% more damage<br />
Im pretty shure 50% dodge chance for a tankign pet is better then 25% damage and since ther eboth 30 yards and blink is faster charge has no purpus with it the only animals charge is good for and pracitly good for is boars and rhinos (its good for the rest but you cant really see a gorilla going that fast can you?)</p>
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		<title>By: Phiil</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-29971</link>
		<dc:creator>Phiil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so called nerf on chimeras was explained in a blue post.  The only reason they were doing so much damage was because of a typo in the tables.  The increased cooldowns on pet talents was due to reduced focus costs so that the skills can be used for more than just an opening move.  Having charge instead of dash for the tenacity tree is just following established practice from boars.  I have yet to see an actual nerf to pets other than the reduced points from beast mastery which still gives 16 levels worth of extra points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so called nerf on chimeras was explained in a blue post.  The only reason they were doing so much damage was because of a typo in the tables.  The increased cooldowns on pet talents was due to reduced focus costs so that the skills can be used for more than just an opening move.  Having charge instead of dash for the tenacity tree is just following established practice from boars.  I have yet to see an actual nerf to pets other than the reduced points from beast mastery which still gives 16 levels worth of extra points.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiya</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-29968</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can verify the change to stabling your low level pets.  I am in beta, and had a lvl 41 tallstrider in the stables.  She showed as lvl 41 in the interface, but when I pulled her out of the stables she changed to lvl 65.  I am lvl 70.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can verify the change to stabling your low level pets.  I am in beta, and had a lvl 41 tallstrider in the stables.  She showed as lvl 41 in the interface, but when I pulled her out of the stables she changed to lvl 65.  I am lvl 70.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear Stalker: ...O-kay. &quot;they keep scaling them back&quot; eh? Prove it. Going by what? The Chimera alone? *1* single pet? No, I do not think they are &quot;scaling them back&quot;. Exotic pets are good in doing their DpS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear Stalker: &#8230;O-kay. &#8220;they keep scaling them back&#8221; eh? Prove it. Going by what? The Chimera alone? *1* single pet? No, I do not think they are &#8220;scaling them back&#8221;. Exotic pets are good in doing their DpS.</p>
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		<title>By: Guthorm</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/29/beta-build-8885/comment-page-2/#comment-29965</link>
		<dc:creator>Guthorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just now started downloading mania, so i gotta kill 2 hours...but nice on aspect of the viper, seems like us hunters wont be needing water anymore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just now started downloading mania, so i gotta kill 2 hours&#8230;but nice on aspect of the viper, seems like us hunters wont be needing water anymore</p>
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		<title>By: Seidouyumi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seidouyumi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fearstalker-

I&#039;m going to have to assume now that you mean 2.4.3 and not 3.0.whatever.  Yeah, growl&#039;s pretty much messed up in the game.  We&#039;ve been told that those issues should be fixed in Wrath.  That&#039;s what Ghostcrawler keeps telling us.

And, you missed the point I made in my post.  If you don&#039;t tell us which build/version you&#039;re working from, we cannot address any specific point you make.  I do NOT know if you are in Beta, or if you&#039;re just talking about the information coming out of Beta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fearstalker-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to have to assume now that you mean 2.4.3 and not 3.0.whatever.  Yeah, growl&#8217;s pretty much messed up in the game.  We&#8217;ve been told that those issues should be fixed in Wrath.  That&#8217;s what Ghostcrawler keeps telling us.</p>
<p>And, you missed the point I made in my post.  If you don&#8217;t tell us which build/version you&#8217;re working from, we cannot address any specific point you make.  I do NOT know if you are in Beta, or if you&#8217;re just talking about the information coming out of Beta.</p>
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