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	<title>Comments on: Observations on Losing Loyalty</title>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-43285</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KermoondiaGarona: Since Patch 3.0 (basically the launch of Wrath of the Lich King expansion) pets no longer have a loyalty level. So you can ignore this outdated information entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KermoondiaGarona: Since Patch 3.0 (basically the launch of Wrath of the Lich King expansion) pets no longer have a loyalty level. So you can ignore this outdated information entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: KermoondiaGarona</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-43275</link>
		<dc:creator>KermoondiaGarona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you see the loyalty level? I can&#039;t find it on the pet sheet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you see the loyalty level? I can&#8217;t find it on the pet sheet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigrdríifa</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24632</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigrdríifa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t imagine not feeding RL pets that as a hunter, I have to take as every bit of good care of my WOW pets as I do for Miss ALpha and Miss Omega (RL critters).  The only difference between my WOW and RL pets is no Vet bill, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t imagine not feeding RL pets that as a hunter, I have to take as every bit of good care of my WOW pets as I do for Miss ALpha and Miss Omega (RL critters).  The only difference between my WOW and RL pets is no Vet bill, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Ansawa</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24538</link>
		<dc:creator>Ansawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, excellent! I didn&#039;t know whether or not pets could lose loyalty levels once they hit Best Friend, but wasn&#039;t about to test it. :) This is a relief, at least--I&#039;ll no longer worry about Nemesis running away after getting killed three or four times in the same Leotheras encounter.

Whirlwind bleed = bad for pets. OH so bad for pets. x_x;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, excellent! I didn&#8217;t know whether or not pets could lose loyalty levels once they hit Best Friend, but wasn&#8217;t about to test it. :) This is a relief, at least&#8211;I&#8217;ll no longer worry about Nemesis running away after getting killed three or four times in the same Leotheras encounter.</p>
<p>Whirlwind bleed = bad for pets. OH so bad for pets. x_x;</p>
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		<title>By: Fengor</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24464</link>
		<dc:creator>Fengor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome! I have never let any of my pets lose a loyalty level, and not wanting to let this occur to see what happens, I thank you for having tested it, Mania! Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome! I have never let any of my pets lose a loyalty level, and not wanting to let this occur to see what happens, I thank you for having tested it, Mania! Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24425</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fengor: Ah, yes, I should have mentioned that. Yes, a pet that loses loyalty levels will lose unspent training points, but if it has spent the points then it won&#039;t lose the skills -- it just goes negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fengor: Ah, yes, I should have mentioned that. Yes, a pet that loses loyalty levels will lose unspent training points, but if it has spent the points then it won&#8217;t lose the skills &#8212; it just goes negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Fengor</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24415</link>
		<dc:creator>Fengor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So one question that doesn&#039;t seem to have been answered yet. if the above is true, what would happen in this example:

 A level 6 loyalty pet which had been a companion for many months, and had all of its training points spent on talents was left at unhappy for 4 hours and it&#039;s loyalty went down to level 5. What would happen to the skills that it had? Does it unlearn these to account for the fewer training points? Does it go negative, like a pet from the wild would with a know skill that has just been tamed?

........interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So one question that doesn&#8217;t seem to have been answered yet. if the above is true, what would happen in this example:</p>
<p> A level 6 loyalty pet which had been a companion for many months, and had all of its training points spent on talents was left at unhappy for 4 hours and it&#8217;s loyalty went down to level 5. What would happen to the skills that it had? Does it unlearn these to account for the fewer training points? Does it go negative, like a pet from the wild would with a know skill that has just been tamed?</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptography</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24387</link>
		<dc:creator>Cryptography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.. half an hour later.

Tamed a cat outside XR and stayed right in place exactly where I tamed it. 30 minutes later it despawned without attacking and I got a red &quot;Your pet has run away&quot; message.

So... either its faulty memory on the gorillas thing, or its been changed since then.
It would be about a year ago I was doing the gorillas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.. half an hour later.</p>
<p>Tamed a cat outside XR and stayed right in place exactly where I tamed it. 30 minutes later it despawned without attacking and I got a red &#8220;Your pet has run away&#8221; message.</p>
<p>So&#8230; either its faulty memory on the gorillas thing, or its been changed since then.<br />
It would be about a year ago I was doing the gorillas.</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptography</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24383</link>
		<dc:creator>Cryptography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the taming quests, a formerly hostile creature (eg prairie stalker, swoop in my example), when released quite near its original spawning point, WILL attack.

If a formerly hostile creature is released far enough away from its start location, it will just despawn. I did both Tauren and Draenei training quests recently. On my tauren I was able to tame the swoop properly immediately after dismissing him from the taming quest. I still have him now.  When I tried to tame the cat that is the last stage of the Draenei quest, I was too far from its spawn point and it despawned right in front of me.

On the Tauren, the formerly neutral plainstrider just ran off headed towards its original spawn point. I released him immediately south of the bridge north of Bloodhoof, and tamed him originally just near the t-junction where the fire festival tents were set up.

On previous hunters, I have let the 15 minute taming rod effect expire.  I am usually far away from the original spawn point by then and the pet just despawns.

Now its time to go spend 31 minutes playing with the cats outside of XR to find if they do run, attack or despawn if not fed at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the taming quests, a formerly hostile creature (eg prairie stalker, swoop in my example), when released quite near its original spawning point, WILL attack.</p>
<p>If a formerly hostile creature is released far enough away from its start location, it will just despawn. I did both Tauren and Draenei training quests recently. On my tauren I was able to tame the swoop properly immediately after dismissing him from the taming quest. I still have him now.  When I tried to tame the cat that is the last stage of the Draenei quest, I was too far from its spawn point and it despawned right in front of me.</p>
<p>On the Tauren, the formerly neutral plainstrider just ran off headed towards its original spawn point. I released him immediately south of the bridge north of Bloodhoof, and tamed him originally just near the t-junction where the fire festival tents were set up.</p>
<p>On previous hunters, I have let the 15 minute taming rod effect expire.  I am usually far away from the original spawn point by then and the pet just despawns.</p>
<p>Now its time to go spend 31 minutes playing with the cats outside of XR to find if they do run, attack or despawn if not fed at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/07/11/observations-on-losing-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-24360</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen released pets go violent and attack during the level 10 taming quests, but never after that. It would make sense that they do that near their normal spawning grounds, though. Interesting!

Yeah, I found Thunderstomp to be one of the most frustrating pet skills to learn. Eventually I figured out that you can do it without being in combat, but oddly only if you have something (anything) selected. That made it slightly less annoying, but still didn&#039;t exactly speed things up, what with that long cooldown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen released pets go violent and attack during the level 10 taming quests, but never after that. It would make sense that they do that near their normal spawning grounds, though. Interesting!</p>
<p>Yeah, I found Thunderstomp to be one of the most frustrating pet skills to learn. Eventually I figured out that you can do it without being in combat, but oddly only if you have something (anything) selected. That made it slightly less annoying, but still didn&#8217;t exactly speed things up, what with that long cooldown.</p>
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