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	<title>Comments on: The State of Pet Aggro</title>
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		<title>By: Beaverius</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-21216</link>
		<dc:creator>Beaverius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say this, but I have to wonder how people pulling aggro from their pet as any spec.  Are you sure you&#039;r eplaying the same class as me?  With the exception of the boar, every pet since I was in blues had difficulty holding aggro even when I used conservative shot rotation.  Even now, in t5/t6 quality epics, just using auto shot is enough to pull aggro if i get a single crit. 

I am exceptionally annoyed now that my wind serpent in partcular is not casting Growl as a first attack.  Why would we want any other spell cast first?  I have petitioned a GM about this multiple times and they give me the same BS response:  they are &quot;sorry&quot; and are looking into it.  

Is it just me, or does the idea of a hunter having to tank its own mobs go completely against the intended design of the class?  Why else would we have a minimum range for our ranged attacks and other classes don&#039;t?  It&#039;s because we are not supposed to be tanking mobs!  

These recent changes fly in the face of the obvious design of the class and blizz effectively says &quot;suck it up&quot;...  It&#039;s kinda insulting.  

Make up your mind about the class, if yo uwant us to be less pet dependent for soloing, then give us an alternative:  Fix pets or make there be no minimum for ranged attacks.    Frankly the latter, to me, is a cop out anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say this, but I have to wonder how people pulling aggro from their pet as any spec.  Are you sure you&#8217;r eplaying the same class as me?  With the exception of the boar, every pet since I was in blues had difficulty holding aggro even when I used conservative shot rotation.  Even now, in t5/t6 quality epics, just using auto shot is enough to pull aggro if i get a single crit. </p>
<p>I am exceptionally annoyed now that my wind serpent in partcular is not casting Growl as a first attack.  Why would we want any other spell cast first?  I have petitioned a GM about this multiple times and they give me the same BS response:  they are &#8220;sorry&#8221; and are looking into it.  </p>
<p>Is it just me, or does the idea of a hunter having to tank its own mobs go completely against the intended design of the class?  Why else would we have a minimum range for our ranged attacks and other classes don&#8217;t?  It&#8217;s because we are not supposed to be tanking mobs!  </p>
<p>These recent changes fly in the face of the obvious design of the class and blizz effectively says &#8220;suck it up&#8221;&#8230;  It&#8217;s kinda insulting.  </p>
<p>Make up your mind about the class, if yo uwant us to be less pet dependent for soloing, then give us an alternative:  Fix pets or make there be no minimum for ranged attacks.    Frankly the latter, to me, is a cop out anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Variastrix</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-21023</link>
		<dc:creator>Variastrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a boar forever and find this new change to threat to be incredibly frustrating.  I can no longer hold aggro, even when I turn everything off except growl, wait a few seconds for my boar to build threat over 2K before I launch a single arrow, and then stick to autoshot.  Even with all that, only about 25% of the time my boar actually holds aggro through the entire fight.  Intimidate no longer pulls the threat back to my pet, and disengage does nothing.  I&#039;ve started using misdirect as often as I can, which I never needed before, and I&#039;m looking into trying a different pet.  Maybe I&#039;ll find another one that I like, but for now I&#039;m just frustrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a boar forever and find this new change to threat to be incredibly frustrating.  I can no longer hold aggro, even when I turn everything off except growl, wait a few seconds for my boar to build threat over 2K before I launch a single arrow, and then stick to autoshot.  Even with all that, only about 25% of the time my boar actually holds aggro through the entire fight.  Intimidate no longer pulls the threat back to my pet, and disengage does nothing.  I&#8217;ve started using misdirect as often as I can, which I never needed before, and I&#8217;m looking into trying a different pet.  Maybe I&#8217;ll find another one that I like, but for now I&#8217;m just frustrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Varsar</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-20910</link>
		<dc:creator>Varsar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krush hit it right ont he head, why are some people seeing problems and others aren&#039;t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krush hit it right ont he head, why are some people seeing problems and others aren&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Krush</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-20837</link>
		<dc:creator>Krush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Nachtwulf, that is a question I would love Blizzard to answer ;)

Some people are seeing problems, some are not. That is what we are discussing here (without hopefully the flames and insults ;) )

I know I can&#039;t use my normal farming/leveling shot rotations (SS, Auto, Auto or SS, Auto depending on which hunter/weapon I&#039;m on) without pulling aggro from my pet. I can slow my DPS down (less SS), but when I can pull sometimes with just Autoshot, it just feels wrong. Sure, I can Auto, stop, wait, wait, wait, Auto, but that is just not playing a hunter in my book. I wont be pulling aggro, but I wont really having any fun (nor would I want myself on the raid).

I know I don;t have all the tools to get all the answers, and I know you don&#039;t either. But I do know, to me, this feels wrong, broken...

K&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Nachtwulf, that is a question I would love Blizzard to answer ;)</p>
<p>Some people are seeing problems, some are not. That is what we are discussing here (without hopefully the flames and insults ;) )</p>
<p>I know I can&#8217;t use my normal farming/leveling shot rotations (SS, Auto, Auto or SS, Auto depending on which hunter/weapon I&#8217;m on) without pulling aggro from my pet. I can slow my DPS down (less SS), but when I can pull sometimes with just Autoshot, it just feels wrong. Sure, I can Auto, stop, wait, wait, wait, Auto, but that is just not playing a hunter in my book. I wont be pulling aggro, but I wont really having any fun (nor would I want myself on the raid).</p>
<p>I know I don;t have all the tools to get all the answers, and I know you don&#8217;t either. But I do know, to me, this feels wrong, broken&#8230;</p>
<p>K&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Nachtwulf</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-20811</link>
		<dc:creator>Nachtwulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shrug* I haven&#039;t noticed any difference. I open with a shot that isn&#039;t Autoshot. I use my shot rotation normally, including Arcane and Steady. I don&#039;t lose aggro. In point of fact, I play EXACTLY like I did before 2.4 and I don&#039;t lose aggro.

I haven&#039;t changed my talents, my gear, or my pet, save to get the raven; I usually use my cat.

You have to ask yourself then why there is no appreciable difference. :P

What Blizzard should really be addressing is why not a one of the top-rated Arena Tournament players are hunters. The reason, of course, is that pet = largely useless in PvP. A player knows that &#039;kill the hunter, pet goes away&#039;, pets do very little actual damage in comparison, thus they&#039;re ignored. Since Blizzard is basing 90% of their buff/nerf judgements on PvP these days, I should expect some sort of buff in the near future. Of course, it&#039;ll probably be a buff to the Survival tree, but I can&#039;t say that it&#039;s not overdue for an overhaul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shrug* I haven&#8217;t noticed any difference. I open with a shot that isn&#8217;t Autoshot. I use my shot rotation normally, including Arcane and Steady. I don&#8217;t lose aggro. In point of fact, I play EXACTLY like I did before 2.4 and I don&#8217;t lose aggro.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t changed my talents, my gear, or my pet, save to get the raven; I usually use my cat.</p>
<p>You have to ask yourself then why there is no appreciable difference. :P</p>
<p>What Blizzard should really be addressing is why not a one of the top-rated Arena Tournament players are hunters. The reason, of course, is that pet = largely useless in PvP. A player knows that &#8216;kill the hunter, pet goes away&#8217;, pets do very little actual damage in comparison, thus they&#8217;re ignored. Since Blizzard is basing 90% of their buff/nerf judgements on PvP these days, I should expect some sort of buff in the near future. Of course, it&#8217;ll probably be a buff to the Survival tree, but I can&#8217;t say that it&#8217;s not overdue for an overhaul.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghanur</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-20801</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghanur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nachwulf, your post is an insult!

It&#039;s people like you, that prevent Blizzard from looking at the many problems they introduced with patch 2.4 - as long as your ilk keeps posting &quot;it&#039;s all fine, and those whiners are too dumb to play their class&quot; nothing will get solved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nachwulf, your post is an insult!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s people like you, that prevent Blizzard from looking at the many problems they introduced with patch 2.4 &#8211; as long as your ilk keeps posting &#8220;it&#8217;s all fine, and those whiners are too dumb to play their class&#8221; nothing will get solved!</p>
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		<title>By: Jagabua</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-20793</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagabua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 09:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pulling aggro off a pet with the first shot other than autoshot has nothing to do with watching aggro better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pulling aggro off a pet with the first shot other than autoshot has nothing to do with watching aggro better.</p>
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		<title>By: Nachtwulf</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-20783</link>
		<dc:creator>Nachtwulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 70 hunter (cookiecutter BM/Marks spec), mostly in blues but Kara-ready. I usually use a cat, but I have one of the ravens now, and honestly... I don&#039;t see a difference. I have both growl and claw on autocast on my cat, and screech/growl on my bird, and while I occasionally pull stuff off of my cat, I did -before- the patch. 

Boars needed nerfing. Boars STILL need nerfing. My god. They get more skill choice, they get Charge (which is absurdly powerful in its own right) at basic levels when other fancy skills (Prowl, Dash) don&#039;t occur until 30+, they eat anything, they&#039;re tough, etc. etc. etc.  For crying out loud, how about giving some love to Spiders? Or how about to freeping Spore Bats? How about de-castering half the mobs in the game? No, I say... nerf boars MORE. 

But I digress. If you&#039;re pulling aggro off your pet... then watch your aggro better. That&#039;s all I can say. You want &#039;feeling like you&#039;re abused all the time&#039;, roll a retribution paladin, and then  you&#039;ll know how good you still have it. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 70 hunter (cookiecutter BM/Marks spec), mostly in blues but Kara-ready. I usually use a cat, but I have one of the ravens now, and honestly&#8230; I don&#8217;t see a difference. I have both growl and claw on autocast on my cat, and screech/growl on my bird, and while I occasionally pull stuff off of my cat, I did -before- the patch. </p>
<p>Boars needed nerfing. Boars STILL need nerfing. My god. They get more skill choice, they get Charge (which is absurdly powerful in its own right) at basic levels when other fancy skills (Prowl, Dash) don&#8217;t occur until 30+, they eat anything, they&#8217;re tough, etc. etc. etc.  For crying out loud, how about giving some love to Spiders? Or how about to freeping Spore Bats? How about de-castering half the mobs in the game? No, I say&#8230; nerf boars MORE. </p>
<p>But I digress. If you&#8217;re pulling aggro off your pet&#8230; then watch your aggro better. That&#8217;s all I can say. You want &#8216;feeling like you&#8217;re abused all the time&#8217;, roll a retribution paladin, and then  you&#8217;ll know how good you still have it. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Krush</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-2/#comment-20747</link>
		<dc:creator>Krush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh,
   forgot to add to my test results.

Also worked on weapon skills some... I can actually grab aggro (specially off my windserpent) by spamming Wingclip and Raptor Strike when up. Omen usually shows the threat numbers going up past the pets (and since I&#039;m in melee range, its a little easier to grab aggro).

Melee Hunters now FTW :P

K&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,<br />
   forgot to add to my test results.</p>
<p>Also worked on weapon skills some&#8230; I can actually grab aggro (specially off my windserpent) by spamming Wingclip and Raptor Strike when up. Omen usually shows the threat numbers going up past the pets (and since I&#8217;m in melee range, its a little easier to grab aggro).</p>
<p>Melee Hunters now FTW :P</p>
<p>K&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Shockymonkey of Durotan</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/16/the-state-of-pet-aggro/comment-page-1/#comment-20744</link>
		<dc:creator>Shockymonkey of Durotan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have noticed that my boar has no were near as much aggro as it used 2..There are times that on my very first aimed shot i grab aggro and have to feign death...then theres the times were i feign death and i still dont loose aggro..gets very annoying</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed that my boar has no were near as much aggro as it used 2..There are times that on my very first aimed shot i grab aggro and have to feign death&#8230;then theres the times were i feign death and i still dont loose aggro..gets very annoying</p>
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