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	<title>Comments on: PTR 2.4.2: Not Over After All</title>
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		<title>By: Nimizar</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19959</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimizar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 08:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hyena84: pets with a loyalty level above 1 won&#039;t run away if you don&#039;t feed them, they&#039;ll just lose a loyalty level. You need to leave them unhappy for a spectacularly long time before they&#039;ll actually run off.

It&#039;s the DPS loss which is annoying, not the chances of them running away.

@Complicated: my pet is around 30% of my DPS, going from happy to content is a 20% DPS loss for my pet, so around a 6% overall DPS loss for me. Losing more than 50 DPS from 1 player in a predominantly T4-and-below geared raid group can hurt quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hyena84: pets with a loyalty level above 1 won&#8217;t run away if you don&#8217;t feed them, they&#8217;ll just lose a loyalty level. You need to leave them unhappy for a spectacularly long time before they&#8217;ll actually run off.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the DPS loss which is annoying, not the chances of them running away.</p>
<p>@Complicated: my pet is around 30% of my DPS, going from happy to content is a 20% DPS loss for my pet, so around a 6% overall DPS loss for me. Losing more than 50 DPS from 1 player in a predominantly T4-and-below geared raid group can hurt quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: hyena84</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19949</link>
		<dc:creator>hyena84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we want to be able to feed pets in combat so they WONT LEAVE US.even feeding befor a big boss fight doesnt always help if stuff goes buggy.and sometimes theres someone who wants you to leave the area so they keep drag mobs with aoes to you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we want to be able to feed pets in combat so they WONT LEAVE US.even feeding befor a big boss fight doesnt always help if stuff goes buggy.and sometimes theres someone who wants you to leave the area so they keep drag mobs with aoes to you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt1988</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19928</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt1988</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww well, hopefully that is why they extended the ptr, so that they can help out the hunter community lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww well, hopefully that is why they extended the ptr, so that they can help out the hunter community lol</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19915</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt1988: You mean &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973994474&amp;sid=1&amp;pageNo=1#9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;? Yes, I saw that. Unfortunately, as of this afternoon, no such change had been made on the Public Test Realm. As I type this, Growl on the PTR is still scaling exactly as it does on the live realms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt1988: You mean <a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973994474&#038;sid=1&#038;pageNo=1#9" rel="nofollow">this post</a>? Yes, I saw that. Unfortunately, as of this afternoon, no such change had been made on the Public Test Realm. As I type this, Growl on the PTR is still scaling exactly as it does on the live realms.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt1988</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19914</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt1988</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mania did u see the blue post saying growl will start to scale with hunter AP starting at 1200, based on your testing will this mean that my turtle will be a viable pet now, or will it still not be able to hold agro at lvl 70? just curious cause i know you have done a lot of work on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mania did u see the blue post saying growl will start to scale with hunter AP starting at 1200, based on your testing will this mean that my turtle will be a viable pet now, or will it still not be able to hold agro at lvl 70? just curious cause i know you have done a lot of work on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Xota</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19896</link>
		<dc:creator>Xota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You feed your pet when people stop for manadrinks. If you have to rez your pet mid-fight, then you might want to feed it. But the solution is to keep your pet alive, or deal with it being yellow (or red) face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You feed your pet when people stop for manadrinks. If you have to rez your pet mid-fight, then you might want to feed it. But the solution is to keep your pet alive, or deal with it being yellow (or red) face.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghanur</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19893</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghanur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Complicated:
The problem arises, when you are near an other fight (aggro range), you are put the aggro list of that other mob - so, you&#039;ll have to wait &#039;til this fight is over too, just to feed your pet. It&#039;s normal during raids - you won&#039;t get out of aggro at all (since they nerfed FD into oblivion!).

This &quot;change of mind&quot; sounds more like someone higher up the food-chain &quot;suggested&quot; it - there was probably enough upstir to make it throught to book keeping/management *eg*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Complicated:<br />
The problem arises, when you are near an other fight (aggro range), you are put the aggro list of that other mob &#8211; so, you&#8217;ll have to wait &#8217;til this fight is over too, just to feed your pet. It&#8217;s normal during raids &#8211; you won&#8217;t get out of aggro at all (since they nerfed FD into oblivion!).</p>
<p>This &#8220;change of mind&#8221; sounds more like someone higher up the food-chain &#8220;suggested&#8221; it &#8211; there was probably enough upstir to make it throught to book keeping/management *eg*.</p>
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		<title>By: Complicated</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19890</link>
		<dc:creator>Complicated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep seeing this feed pet issue raised and I can&#039;t for the life of me understand why anyone would ever find it necessary to feed your pet in combat.  WTF is the point?  If you are seriously min/maxxing that close to the line that the minor dps loss your pet does half way through a 3 minute boss fight, there&#039;s more than a pet issue.  I&#039;ll admit I&#039;m not BM but what&#039;s so hard about feeding your pet before a fight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep seeing this feed pet issue raised and I can&#8217;t for the life of me understand why anyone would ever find it necessary to feed your pet in combat.  WTF is the point?  If you are seriously min/maxxing that close to the line that the minor dps loss your pet does half way through a 3 minute boss fight, there&#8217;s more than a pet issue.  I&#8217;ll admit I&#8217;m not BM but what&#8217;s so hard about feeding your pet before a fight?</p>
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		<title>By: Kerub</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19881</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>better change thier mind now then wait for it to go live then ever one would say
&quot;  If its buggy why didn&#039;t they test it longer, You’d think a company as experienced and big as Blizzard, would test things on the test server and that they’d have a system on how to test things so that anything that could go wrong would come up before it went live&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>better change thier mind now then wait for it to go live then ever one would say<br />
&#8221;  If its buggy why didn&#8217;t they test it longer, You’d think a company as experienced and big as Blizzard, would test things on the test server and that they’d have a system on how to test things so that anything that could go wrong would come up before it went live&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryno</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/05/05/ptr-242-not-over-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19878</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think a company as experienced and big as Blizzard wouldn&#039;t need to change their mind about things, and that they&#039;d have a system on how to test things so that anything that could go wrong would come up... hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think a company as experienced and big as Blizzard wouldn&#8217;t need to change their mind about things, and that they&#8217;d have a system on how to test things so that anything that could go wrong would come up&#8230; hehe.</p>
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