Comments on: Growl Testing Method

By: Mania’s Arcania » PTR 2.4.3: Growl Changes Confirmed

Mania’s Arcania » PTR 2.4.3: Growl Changes Confirmed — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:37:50 +0000

[...] the PTR to test this out. You may remember that last PTR I spent some time working out a reliable Growl testing method; I repeated those tests tonight, not exhaustively, but enough to verify the patch note. I’ll [...]

By: The Hunting Lodge » 2.4.2. Growl Issues

The Hunting Lodge » 2.4.2. Growl Issues — Tue, 13 May 2008 18:42:24 +0000

[...] Growl Threat is expressed as a range since my testing method has a threat resolution of about 9 threat. You can read more about my testing method here: http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/30/growl-testing-method/” [...]

By: Mania’s Arcania » Patch 2.4.2: No Changes to Growl Scaling

Mania’s Arcania » Patch 2.4.2: No Changes to Growl Scaling — Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:32 +0000

[...] on Growl on the PTR. I made a false start with my first testing method, but after I settled on a valid method I gathered a lot of data that indicated no change to Growl [...]

By: Mania’s Arcania » PTR 2.4.2: The Growl Saga Continues

Mania’s Arcania » PTR 2.4.2: The Growl Saga Continues — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:39:47 +0000

[...] are putting in a lot of testing time on this matter (like Nimizar, Ashraf, and Znodis) worked out better methods and discovered that, with the exception of boars and Charge, Growl continues to work on the PTR in [...]

By: Campfire

Campfire — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:04:45 +0000

Hi!
I’m a survivial hunter, and I am so tired of this whole pet aggro thing. I’m at about 32% crit @~2000AP selfbuffed right now, and I’m able to pull aggro from my pet after misdirected to it with Aimed – Steady – Arcane just with Auto Shots before the mob dies…
By now, I’m mostly doing SSO dailies and I figured out, that the best way to kill mobs is to burst them down:
1. Send the cat to the mob (with sprint if it’s not on CD)
2. Immediately open with Steady as soon after the pet’s departure (’cause it won’t keep aggro anyway)
3. Concussive, Steady (for extra dazed damage), Arcane

With a bit of critting, the mob is dead or nearly dead. So

4. Raptor Strike or
4. Scatter Shot, Steady
5. Loot

That method is very far away from levelling my hunter three years ago. But right now, it is the only viable way for me to get things done without getting mad. Or wating several seconds (5-10) at each mob for my pet to get a sufficient amount of aggro.

By: Znodis

Znodis — Tue, 06 May 2008 17:16:34 +0000

Still working on Screech, but I definitely will do that.

I did some live testing last night, and basically found what you’ve already posted Mania. The one exception is that I have shown IHM does not affect growl. I’m curious if what Hortus is actually saying is that things like Kibler’s Bits and Leggings of Beast Mastery will not have an affect on Growl. The leggings at least did for me.

http://themystichunter.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/growl-testing/

By: Tempric

Tempric — Fri, 02 May 2008 22:39:16 +0000

This is great work guys. I would really like to know more about the screech numbers, as I use it a great deal.

By: Jayhawk

Jayhawk — Fri, 02 May 2008 19:14:26 +0000

Very impressive work, Mania. Most enjoyable reading, thanks.

By: Drakkena

Drakkena — Thu, 01 May 2008 16:57:25 +0000

I think the best thing that would make things easier in this case would be Omen’s Threat Meter ( http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/9101/ ) that would also all for you to see just when you break and pull the threat from this. It helps wonders (Though for some odd reason I cannot get the thing to install for me XD)

But yes I agree that Growl is not scaling with the pets attack power. I was doing a few tests with the Dire Raven I had tamed, and I was seeing just which part pulled more aggro. Naturally it was Screech (With growl turned off) because of the little extra damage it does but when I did Growl I had to let the Raven pummel the mob for several moments before casting that first shot because if I didn’t I’d end up pulling aggro. And I never had to do that before.

By: Seidouyumi

Seidouyumi — Thu, 01 May 2008 12:47:50 +0000

Ryai-

I’m MM spec. That means my first shot takes three seconds to cast and does a lot of damage. I had to switch out my shot set up so that my second shot was a sting insteand of Arcane Shot because Aimed shot and Arcane shot were doing enough damage to pull a mob off my pet.

I’ve only been to Quel’Danas on my Paladin. Now, let me tell you, those guys are more resistant to damage and doing more damage. Some of them are level 71 to boot. I’m not sure that I would claim that the mobs there are indicative of the issues with Growl given that they are a little tougher than average. If she hadn’t been a Holy Paladin, Joushigun would probably have died several times over out there.

And I hate to say it, but if all you were doing was wanding on your Warlock, you really didn’t know how to mix it up right. Opening with DoTs that don’t have any front end damage to them helps keep the mob at bay a lot longer on any pet. Until I got to level 50, I ran with my Succubus and hitting Improved Affliction and Curse of Agony first helped a lot and let the mob burn down a bit before I hit Immolation and THEN I hit something else, usually shadowbolt. Until the mobs became more resistant to my shadow and fire damage, I could burn a mob all the way down before it broke to attack me.