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	<title>Comments on: Patch 2.4: Pet Skill Inconsistencies</title>
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		<title>By: Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; The State of Pet Aggro</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-20501</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; The State of Pet Aggro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] prioritization of auto-cast pet skills has changed. Blizzard has acknowledged this bug and says it will be fixed in a future [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] prioritization of auto-cast pet skills has changed. Blizzard has acknowledged this bug and says it will be fixed in a future [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; Patch 2.4.2: No Changes to Growl Scaling</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-20251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; Patch 2.4.2: No Changes to Growl Scaling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] addition, it is useful to note that the bug with inconsistent pet skill priorities has not been fixed with this patch.   SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Patch 2.4.2: No Changes to Growl [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] addition, it is useful to note that the bug with inconsistent pet skill priorities has not been fixed with this patch.   SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#8220;Patch 2.4.2: No Changes to Growl [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ghanur</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18604</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghanur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudda,

Dash -&gt; &quot;Spurt&quot;
Dive -&gt; &quot;Sturzflug&quot;

my post was purely for information ;)

The &#039;alphabetical cast&#039; seems to be our problem. Before 2.4.0, Growl had priority. Everytime there was enough focus to cast, it was cast (first).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudda,</p>
<p>Dash -&gt; &#8220;Spurt&#8221;<br />
Dive -&gt; &#8220;Sturzflug&#8221;</p>
<p>my post was purely for information ;)</p>
<p>The &#8216;alphabetical cast&#8217; seems to be our problem. Before 2.4.0, Growl had priority. Everytime there was enough focus to cast, it was cast (first).</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18576</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ghanur,
I&#039;m assuming that if your pet can have Dash (in German) is &quot;Schlag&quot; which means it will cast enroute but the next skill in the rotation would still be &quot;Bite&quot; so it wouldn&#039;t help you out much.  

I&#039;ve done alot of testing on other pet types and this theory does seem to be consistant.

Side note: With the increase for the hypothetical XP needed a player to get from 70 to 71, a pet now requires approx 63k xp between loyalty lvls plus the needed playing time between each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ghanur,<br />
I&#8217;m assuming that if your pet can have Dash (in German) is &#8220;Schlag&#8221; which means it will cast enroute but the next skill in the rotation would still be &#8220;Bite&#8221; so it wouldn&#8217;t help you out much.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done alot of testing on other pet types and this theory does seem to be consistant.</p>
<p>Side note: With the increase for the hypothetical XP needed a player to get from 70 to 71, a pet now requires approx 63k xp between loyalty lvls plus the needed playing time between each.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghanur</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18520</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghanur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:
Skills (german language):
Beißen (Bite), Klaue (Claw), Knurren (Growl)

According to log: Growl is always casting after Bite and Claw.

And one thing: Claw does not have a cooldown of its own, so it will eat throught focus at a very high speed, not leaving enough of it for a single Growl after some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:<br />
Skills (german language):<br />
Beißen (Bite), Klaue (Claw), Knurren (Growl)</p>
<p>According to log: Growl is always casting after Bite and Claw.</p>
<p>And one thing: Claw does not have a cooldown of its own, so it will eat throught focus at a very high speed, not leaving enough of it for a single Growl after some time.</p>
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		<title>By: sandralover</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18487</link>
		<dc:creator>sandralover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one am glad we have the brains here talking sense not like on the other forums where it is all shouting and not much to be gained .

Thanks guys and girls , I hope blizzard guys which i know do drop in here take some notice of what we talk about and pass our comments on , and thanks to Mania for keeping us in control and up to date..

I am only slowly getting my cat to 70 he is now 62 and the comments about alphabetical order of casts seems to make sense , I shall try and check that out ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am glad we have the brains here talking sense not like on the other forums where it is all shouting and not much to be gained .</p>
<p>Thanks guys and girls , I hope blizzard guys which i know do drop in here take some notice of what we talk about and pass our comments on , and thanks to Mania for keeping us in control and up to date..</p>
<p>I am only slowly getting my cat to 70 he is now 62 and the comments about alphabetical order of casts seems to make sense , I shall try and check that out &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18392</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an update on the alphabetic order proc for pet&#039;s active skills.  I&#039;ve checked the theory against a few other low lvl pets. (ones that come with the skill combo&#039;s already since I don&#039;t feel like lvling them to get training pts.)  It seems to be a working theory.  For a boar, (with Growl and Charge only) was &quot;Charge, Melee, Growl&quot; it never varied. So the Melee got the bonus AP from the charge.  The Boar with both Charge and Gore would cast charge gore, then growl.  So Boars also follow the Alphabetic cast sequence also.  I&#039;ve not tried wolves, but I&#039;m guessing if they have Furious howl, then it will cast enroute to the mob and Growl will be next, then back to Bite or Claw.

To Summarize:  It looks like most (I&#039;ve not tried all families yet) pets with an active ability that is alphabetically before &quot;Growl&quot; and that casts before the pet gets within melee or Growl range of the mob.  Will essencially cast Growl first. (since the Dive/dash/charge cast on the way.)

Hope this is helpful.... and by all means please test it on the various other varieties that you&#039;ve got. and let us know if it is consistant.

Rudda-Stormrage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an update on the alphabetic order proc for pet&#8217;s active skills.  I&#8217;ve checked the theory against a few other low lvl pets. (ones that come with the skill combo&#8217;s already since I don&#8217;t feel like lvling them to get training pts.)  It seems to be a working theory.  For a boar, (with Growl and Charge only) was &#8220;Charge, Melee, Growl&#8221; it never varied. So the Melee got the bonus AP from the charge.  The Boar with both Charge and Gore would cast charge gore, then growl.  So Boars also follow the Alphabetic cast sequence also.  I&#8217;ve not tried wolves, but I&#8217;m guessing if they have Furious howl, then it will cast enroute to the mob and Growl will be next, then back to Bite or Claw.</p>
<p>To Summarize:  It looks like most (I&#8217;ve not tried all families yet) pets with an active ability that is alphabetically before &#8220;Growl&#8221; and that casts before the pet gets within melee or Growl range of the mob.  Will essencially cast Growl first. (since the Dive/dash/charge cast on the way.)</p>
<p>Hope this is helpful&#8230;. and by all means please test it on the various other varieties that you&#8217;ve got. and let us know if it is consistant.</p>
<p>Rudda-Stormrage</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18379</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A boar begins it&#039;s skills at Charge(on the way to the mob like a cat&#039;s dash) which would be followed by Gore not Growl.  Which is the way blizzard prob did intend for it to work. For those of you with a boar. (I don&#039;t have one) try untraining it then only giving it Charge and Growl.  this should/may allow growl to be affected by charge&#039;s AP boost. I may go tame a lvl 60 UGLY boar and see if it makes a difference.

Also about the &quot;Spanish&quot; language version above. . . I wonder which order the skills are in the &quot;spellbook&quot; since they may have spanish names instead of english alphabet names?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A boar begins it&#8217;s skills at Charge(on the way to the mob like a cat&#8217;s dash) which would be followed by Gore not Growl.  Which is the way blizzard prob did intend for it to work. For those of you with a boar. (I don&#8217;t have one) try untraining it then only giving it Charge and Growl.  this should/may allow growl to be affected by charge&#8217;s AP boost. I may go tame a lvl 60 UGLY boar and see if it makes a difference.</p>
<p>Also about the &#8220;Spanish&#8221; language version above. . . I wonder which order the skills are in the &#8220;spellbook&#8221; since they may have spanish names instead of english alphabet names?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudda</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18377</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my 2 cents based on what I have observed. Maybe it will help someone else.
My cat, Frosteria, lvl 70 has &quot;Growl, Claw and Dash&quot;
My Gorilla, George, lvl 70 has &quot;Growl, Bite and Thunderstomp&quot;

Frosteria&#039;s standard attack is &quot;dash&quot; Growl, melee claw etc....
However, when I am attacked and she responds.  She opens with claw, melee growl.
Kinda odd IMO.  (these never vary out of dozens of mobs of various sorts.)

George on the other hand normal opening is &quot;Bite Melee then growl etc. ..
It is the same for when I am attacked and he responds.

For this reason, I think the attacks are based on the alphabetical listing in the pet tab of the spellbook.  
George: Bite comes before Growl so he always uses that order. 
(thunderstomp is used only when multiple mobs are on him. . . so it doesn&#039;t factor in unless there are more than one mob. I have yet to test it in that situation. because normally it he would get bite off before the other mobs actually triggered the TS)
Frosteria: uses dash on the way to the mob, since none of the other active skills can be used.  So she begins the order at &quot;D&quot; for dash.  Next comes Growl then back to &quot;Claw&quot; etc. . .
But when I am attacked and she responds dash doesn&#039;t get cast because she doesn&#039;t have to run anywhere to attack so she just hits Claw because it is first.  

The research that needs done is to see if this alphabetical attack idea works when there are skills such as Prowl, Gore, Dive (instead of Dash) etc....

Even if dash isn&#039;t on Auto Growl is still first  .. .  I think because she knows to cast dash on the way even though she doesn&#039;t because it isn&#039;t on auto.  
Hope this helps . . . (I also retrained my pets just before doinging this testing to see if it mattered what order they were trained in. It didn&#039;t change anything.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my 2 cents based on what I have observed. Maybe it will help someone else.<br />
My cat, Frosteria, lvl 70 has &#8220;Growl, Claw and Dash&#8221;<br />
My Gorilla, George, lvl 70 has &#8220;Growl, Bite and Thunderstomp&#8221;</p>
<p>Frosteria&#8217;s standard attack is &#8220;dash&#8221; Growl, melee claw etc&#8230;.<br />
However, when I am attacked and she responds.  She opens with claw, melee growl.<br />
Kinda odd IMO.  (these never vary out of dozens of mobs of various sorts.)</p>
<p>George on the other hand normal opening is &#8220;Bite Melee then growl etc. ..<br />
It is the same for when I am attacked and he responds.</p>
<p>For this reason, I think the attacks are based on the alphabetical listing in the pet tab of the spellbook.<br />
George: Bite comes before Growl so he always uses that order.<br />
(thunderstomp is used only when multiple mobs are on him. . . so it doesn&#8217;t factor in unless there are more than one mob. I have yet to test it in that situation. because normally it he would get bite off before the other mobs actually triggered the TS)<br />
Frosteria: uses dash on the way to the mob, since none of the other active skills can be used.  So she begins the order at &#8220;D&#8221; for dash.  Next comes Growl then back to &#8220;Claw&#8221; etc. . .<br />
But when I am attacked and she responds dash doesn&#8217;t get cast because she doesn&#8217;t have to run anywhere to attack so she just hits Claw because it is first.  </p>
<p>The research that needs done is to see if this alphabetical attack idea works when there are skills such as Prowl, Gore, Dive (instead of Dash) etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>Even if dash isn&#8217;t on Auto Growl is still first  .. .  I think because she knows to cast dash on the way even though she doesn&#8217;t because it isn&#8217;t on auto.<br />
Hope this helps . . . (I also retrained my pets just before doinging this testing to see if it mattered what order they were trained in. It didn&#8217;t change anything.)</p>
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		<title>By: Seidouyumi</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/04/13/patch-24-pet-skill-inconsistencies/comment-page-1/#comment-18360</link>
		<dc:creator>Seidouyumi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Varsar-

I can believe it.  I mean, I did those updates and the whole thing flipped.  Onna is MM specced because the Dragonhawk is so fragile, and gets a better bonus later on for her fire breath.  Now that they&#039;re both lvl 20, pulling aggro is almost impossible.  The fragility is also why Orihime doesn&#039;t have Growl.

This is just getting plain weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Varsar-</p>
<p>I can believe it.  I mean, I did those updates and the whole thing flipped.  Onna is MM specced because the Dragonhawk is so fragile, and gets a better bonus later on for her fire breath.  Now that they&#8217;re both lvl 20, pulling aggro is almost impossible.  The fragility is also why Orihime doesn&#8217;t have Growl.</p>
<p>This is just getting plain weird.</p>
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