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	<title>Comments on: New Pet? You Have 30 Minutes to Feed It</title>
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		<title>By: Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; Observations on Losing Loyalty</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2007/07/19/new-pet-you-have-30-minutes-to-feed-it/comment-page-1/#comment-24270</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania&#8217;s Arcania &#187; Observations on Losing Loyalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] newly tamed pet starts at the top of loyalty level 1, which means that you always have 30 minutes before it runs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2007/07/19/new-pet-you-have-30-minutes-to-feed-it/comment-page-1/#comment-22080</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First thing to try is using the Call Pet skill. That will either call your pet back or give you a useful error message. If it says your pet is dead, then you need to cast Revive Pet. If it says you don&#039;t have a pet to summon, then it may be that your pet ran away. Normally it wouldn&#039;t do that if it&#039;s been fed, but perhaps something weird has happened. So at that point I would try relogging and then casting Call Pet again -- relogging will sometimes fix little weirdnesses. If you still can&#039;t call your pet, you might try contacting a GM and seeing if they can help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First thing to try is using the Call Pet skill. That will either call your pet back or give you a useful error message. If it says your pet is dead, then you need to cast Revive Pet. If it says you don&#8217;t have a pet to summon, then it may be that your pet ran away. Normally it wouldn&#8217;t do that if it&#8217;s been fed, but perhaps something weird has happened. So at that point I would try relogging and then casting Call Pet again &#8212; relogging will sometimes fix little weirdnesses. If you still can&#8217;t call your pet, you might try contacting a GM and seeing if they can help.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lauff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lauff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mania;
   
While in a battle my tiger left me.  The tool bar vanished also.  Does this mean it abandoned me.  I had just fed it and it&#039;s bar was still smiling.  How do I get it back or can I?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mania;</p>
<p>While in a battle my tiger left me.  The tool bar vanished also.  Does this mean it abandoned me.  I had just fed it and it&#8217;s bar was still smiling.  How do I get it back or can I?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2007/07/19/new-pet-you-have-30-minutes-to-feed-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dmouse: The best advice I have for you is to look at it in terms of experience. Kill level 66&#039;s for, say, 10 minutes and see how much XP your pet makes, then try it with level 70&#039;s and compare. It really depends a lot on how fast you can kill each level (including downtime in between). 

And that&#039;s interesting about being mounted in the areana. I hadn&#039;t heard that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dmouse: The best advice I have for you is to look at it in terms of experience. Kill level 66&#8242;s for, say, 10 minutes and see how much XP your pet makes, then try it with level 70&#8242;s and compare. It really depends a lot on how fast you can kill each level (including downtime in between). </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s interesting about being mounted in the areana. I hadn&#8217;t heard that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,
Just want to ask, basically i realised that when lvling a pet at from lvl 30 to lvl 70, its much better to kill mobs at lvl 66 or so. The lvl&#039;s are much faster  that way, But if i just trained a pet at lvl 69 , Should i be killing 70&#039;s or just the usual 66&#039;s ? And how long will it take to get that pet to 70 at a contant rate of killing a 70 or a 66. Reason being 70&#039;s take longer, and 66&#039;s take shorter time. Which means if i kill 1 - 70 mobs i can end up killing 2- 66 mobs.

Sorry i am still a noob after playing a hunter for over a year now. Still learning about new things about hunters and their pets that sometimes amazes me. 
I also realised that when mounted in Arena, your pet doesn&#039;t dissappear. Dmouse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
Just want to ask, basically i realised that when lvling a pet at from lvl 30 to lvl 70, its much better to kill mobs at lvl 66 or so. The lvl&#8217;s are much faster  that way, But if i just trained a pet at lvl 69 , Should i be killing 70&#8242;s or just the usual 66&#8242;s ? And how long will it take to get that pet to 70 at a contant rate of killing a 70 or a 66. Reason being 70&#8242;s take longer, and 66&#8242;s take shorter time. Which means if i kill 1 &#8211; 70 mobs i can end up killing 2- 66 mobs.</p>
<p>Sorry i am still a noob after playing a hunter for over a year now. Still learning about new things about hunters and their pets that sometimes amazes me.<br />
I also realised that when mounted in Arena, your pet doesn&#8217;t dissappear. Dmouse</p>
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		<title>By: Jayhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work. :)

I just noticed the insta-heal after running away myself. Useful if you&#039;re being chased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work. :)</p>
<p>I just noticed the insta-heal after running away myself. Useful if you&#8217;re being chased.</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2007/07/19/new-pet-you-have-30-minutes-to-feed-it/comment-page-1/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, that one is easy, Someone. :&gt; Your pet won&#039;t gain Training Points until it&#039;s loyalty is at least level 2 (because the formula for Training Points includes the term (Loyalty Level - 1), so at a loyalty of 1 you are multiplying by 0). So to gain Training Points, you need to get your loyalty up, and to get your loyalty up you must feed your pet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, that one is easy, Someone. :> Your pet won&#8217;t gain Training Points until it&#8217;s loyalty is at least level 2 (because the formula for Training Points includes the term (Loyalty Level &#8211; 1), so at a loyalty of 1 you are multiplying by 0). So to gain Training Points, you need to get your loyalty up, and to get your loyalty up you must feed your pet.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome work!

Now all I need to know more is what controls a new pet TPs! If I don&#039;t feed a new pet, will it still gain new TPs as I fight with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome work!</p>
<p>Now all I need to know more is what controls a new pet TPs! If I don&#8217;t feed a new pet, will it still gain new TPs as I fight with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://www.maniasarcania.com/2007/07/19/new-pet-you-have-30-minutes-to-feed-it/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gazmik: Your theory about pets being summoned with only their base health makes logical sense, but unfortunately doesn&#039;t quite fit the data I was seeing on the PTR. What I saw was this: I dismiss a cat with full health (say 5000). I summon him back immediately, and he has 3000 health. I dismiss him again immediately and summon him again: 1800 health. One more dismiss and recall: 1080 health. At this point Spirit Bond&#039;s ability to heal catches up with my ability to dimiss him fast and I can&#039;t get him much lower. 

On the other hand, I just retested this on the live servers and I am not seeing this behavior. On the live world, my cat won&#039;t go lower than about 88% of his health when he is called, which fits the base health theory pretty well. So perhaps this is a change or a bug on the PTR. 

I&#039;ll retest on the PTR when it comes back up. It&#039;s a fairly minor thing at any rate (so long as you don&#039;t dismiss and recall your pet multiple times per minute right before diving into a fight!) It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; useful for dumping a pet&#039;s health in a hurry to test Mend Pet, but I suspect I am the only one who cares about that. :&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gazmik: Your theory about pets being summoned with only their base health makes logical sense, but unfortunately doesn&#8217;t quite fit the data I was seeing on the PTR. What I saw was this: I dismiss a cat with full health (say 5000). I summon him back immediately, and he has 3000 health. I dismiss him again immediately and summon him again: 1800 health. One more dismiss and recall: 1080 health. At this point Spirit Bond&#8217;s ability to heal catches up with my ability to dimiss him fast and I can&#8217;t get him much lower. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I just retested this on the live servers and I am not seeing this behavior. On the live world, my cat won&#8217;t go lower than about 88% of his health when he is called, which fits the base health theory pretty well. So perhaps this is a change or a bug on the PTR. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll retest on the PTR when it comes back up. It&#8217;s a fairly minor thing at any rate (so long as you don&#8217;t dismiss and recall your pet multiple times per minute right before diving into a fight!) It <i>is</i> useful for dumping a pet&#8217;s health in a hurry to test Mend Pet, but I suspect I am the only one who cares about that. :></p>
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		<title>By: Gazmik Fizzwidget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gazmik Fizzwidget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d bet the &quot;heal a tick later&quot; thing is a result of pet stats (in this case Stamina) being modified by your own (and/or possibly also the Great Stamina pet skill and the Endurance Training talent). So he spawns at 100% of his health but with his base stamina, and then the modified stats kick in and he regens up to the new 100% (faster with Spirit Bond).

My hunter, er, friend has been using the &quot;Pet EXP Info Bar&quot; addon recently as he trains up a boar (and curses about the L70 boars in SMV being untameable demons). I&#039;ve noticed thanks to it refreshing a little slower than the default PetPaperDollFrame (well, and not hiding some of the stats in tooltips) that this issue also applies to other stats -- it shows a 2.0 attack speed briefly, and then the Serpent&#039;s Swiftness kicks in and lowers it to 1.67 (or further if the pet also has Cobra Reflexes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d bet the &#8220;heal a tick later&#8221; thing is a result of pet stats (in this case Stamina) being modified by your own (and/or possibly also the Great Stamina pet skill and the Endurance Training talent). So he spawns at 100% of his health but with his base stamina, and then the modified stats kick in and he regens up to the new 100% (faster with Spirit Bond).</p>
<p>My hunter, er, friend has been using the &#8220;Pet EXP Info Bar&#8221; addon recently as he trains up a boar (and curses about the L70 boars in SMV being untameable demons). I&#8217;ve noticed thanks to it refreshing a little slower than the default PetPaperDollFrame (well, and not hiding some of the stats in tooltips) that this issue also applies to other stats &#8212; it shows a 2.0 attack speed briefly, and then the Serpent&#8217;s Swiftness kicks in and lowers it to 1.67 (or further if the pet also has Cobra Reflexes).</p>
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